1. 800x480 is going to be obsolete after Apple announces the next gen iPhone with 960 x 640 resolution. Microsoft won't be able to match that resolution for at least 3 years since I bet they didn't anticipate a resolution bump for the next version of Windows Phone.
2. No front facing camera (can windows phone 7 even support two cameras?).
Just stating my opinion .. I hope it's successful though so we can have momentum in the smartphone competition.
@JS I'll have to agree with the front camera observation. iPhones and Androids will have them... Microsoft just can't afford yet another deficiency added to their list.
@JS How many people actually use the front facing camera on their phone? I'm not doubting some people find it useful, but the vast majority of consumers don't care.
@account5 It's been leaked before by a credible source and featured by both Gizmodo and Engadget. Actually the resolution isnt random at all... it's the current iPhone resolution x2.
@Nickedynick - we Europeans had video-calling capable phones for about 7 years now. Guess how I often I saw somebody actually do that? Exactly zero times. People don't care whatsoever about front-facing cameras...
900 pixels on a tiny screen is bloody worthless. You still need to upsize the physical screen dimension to take full advantage of it.
800x 480 pixels on a 4.3" screen is really a very good usable balance and that looks to be the standard for the forseeable future. I don't see how you can slag off a 800 pixel screen when your iPhone is running only 1/2 that pixel count.
@krishansy i hear ya. That resolution is just stupid. I guess people still think the higher the resolution on phones, the better and more 'luxurious' it is. And people believe that...wow
Of course, a screen dimension increase would be nice to make better use of extra resolution but "bloody useless"? Come on, that's just stupid. If I offered to take your laptop screen and quadruple the resolution in the same dimensions, something tells me you would drool at the opportunity.
960x640 is a GREAT resolution for another reason: it maintains the exact same aspect ratio as the iPhone. This is a lot more important than you can realize. One of the biggest draws for the iPhone developer community is that all developers can be guaranteed that all users will have exactly the same experience because all iPhones have the same size screen. By quadrupling the resolution of the screen, Apple has made it possible for developers to develop HD versions for the new screen size, but old apps (of which there are millions) will still look and work exactly the same on the new iPhone simply by pixel doubling (or quadrupling rather).
In Android, developers have some APIs to help them deal with multiple resolutions, but at the end of the day, you never really know how users will actually view your app. Web developers will be the first to tell you, dealing with an infinite number of resolutions is a total bitch. It hurts development and adoption.
@ounkeo it isn't worthless at all, my HTC Desire has a 3.7 inch display at 800 by 480 and I can still clearly see individual pixels. Double the iPhone resolution would look awesome.
960x540 would be exactly one-half of 1920x1080... (well one-quarter technically)... but there are plenty of rumors suggesting the iPhone will get a 960x640 screen.
I'm just gonna wait until June 7 to see what Steve Jobs pulls out of his pocket... and still get my Verizon Incredible later this year.
@chrisrottan What does peoples' understanding of pixels have to do with anything? People still get the benefit, even if they don't even know what the hell a pixel is.
Every phone I have owned since my Ericsson T10 has had a front facing camera. I have tried using one...once. A think a few years ago I called my brother using my Nokia N95. It was fun for all of 2 minutes before we both felt like tools and hung up in favour of a regular call.
This front facing cam is not the revolution Apple and it's followers will make it out to be.
By default, Microsoft supports front facing camera, years back and is not an issue now. It's hardware dependent. With myold Touch Cruise, i make video calls. It's iPhone that should step up.
@krishansy why wouldn't you want better resolution that's stupid that's like saying I don't ever want a 52 inch television I have a 27 inch and its better.
@TareG That's 4x the old iPhone resolution, not 2x. Learn some basic math. There's diminishing returns increasing resolution on such a small screen. Now go troll somewhere else.
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1. 800x480 is going to be obsolete after Apple announces the next gen iPhone with 960 x 640 resolution. Microsoft won't be able to match that resolution for at least 3 years since I bet they didn't anticipate a resolution bump for the next version of Windows Phone.
2. No front facing camera (can windows phone 7 even support two cameras?).
Just stating my opinion .. I hope it's successful though so we can have momentum in the smartphone competition.
@JS - OK, how did you come up with the 3 years?
Oh, you made them up based on absolutely nothing? Carry on then...
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960 x 640? who gave you this super duper insider apple info?
and did you just pick two random numbers out of a hat? what kind of ret4rded resolution is that?
@JS I'll have to agree with the front camera observation. iPhones and Androids will have them... Microsoft just can't afford yet another deficiency added to their list.
@JS How many people actually use the front facing camera on their phone? I'm not doubting some people find it useful, but the vast majority of consumers don't care.
@account5
It's been leaked before by a credible source and featured by both Gizmodo and Engadget. Actually the resolution isnt random at all... it's the current iPhone resolution x2.
@JS
I would NEVER want my phone to have 960x640. I would rather want a 854x480. At least 800x480 is close.
@Nickedynick - we Europeans had video-calling capable phones for about 7 years now. Guess how I often I saw somebody actually do that? Exactly zero times. People don't care whatsoever about front-facing cameras...
@JS
900 pixels on a tiny screen is bloody worthless. You still need to upsize the physical screen dimension to take full advantage of it.
800x 480 pixels on a 4.3" screen is really a very good usable balance and that looks to be the standard for the forseeable future. I don't see how you can slag off a 800 pixel screen when your iPhone is running only 1/2 that pixel count.
@krishansy
i hear ya. That resolution is just stupid. I guess people still think the higher the resolution on phones, the better and more 'luxurious' it is. And people believe that...wow
@ounkeo
Of course, a screen dimension increase would be nice to make better use of extra resolution but "bloody useless"? Come on, that's just stupid. If I offered to take your laptop screen and quadruple the resolution in the same dimensions, something tells me you would drool at the opportunity.
960x640 is a GREAT resolution for another reason: it maintains the exact same aspect ratio as the iPhone. This is a lot more important than you can realize. One of the biggest draws for the iPhone developer community is that all developers can be guaranteed that all users will have exactly the same experience because all iPhones have the same size screen. By quadrupling the resolution of the screen, Apple has made it possible for developers to develop HD versions for the new screen size, but old apps (of which there are millions) will still look and work exactly the same on the new iPhone simply by pixel doubling (or quadrupling rather).
In Android, developers have some APIs to help them deal with multiple resolutions, but at the end of the day, you never really know how users will actually view your app. Web developers will be the first to tell you, dealing with an infinite number of resolutions is a total bitch. It hurts development and adoption.
@ounkeo it isn't worthless at all, my HTC Desire has a 3.7 inch display at 800 by 480 and I can still clearly see individual pixels. Double the iPhone resolution would look awesome.
@JS
960x540 would be exactly one-half of 1920x1080... (well one-quarter technically)... but there are plenty of rumors suggesting the iPhone will get a 960x640 screen.
I'm just gonna wait until June 7 to see what Steve Jobs pulls out of his pocket... and still get my Verizon Incredible later this year.
@Sam7 that's because your Desire (and Nexus One) has a SHITTY Pine Tile Martix Panel: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/
@tonicboy
thats good for the ipad, not the iphone. People still lack understanding about pixels
@NewL
exactly.
@chrisrottan
What does peoples' understanding of pixels have to do with anything? People still get the benefit, even if they don't even know what the hell a pixel is.
@JS
Every phone I have owned since my Ericsson T10 has had a front facing camera. I have tried using one...once. A think a few years ago I called my brother using my Nokia N95. It was fun for all of 2 minutes before we both felt like tools and hung up in favour of a regular call.
This front facing cam is not the revolution Apple and it's followers will make it out to be.
@chrisrottan
Not so stupid for CJK language reader... That's just so-so for Japanese I guess.
@JS
By default, Microsoft supports front facing camera, years back and is not an issue now. It's hardware dependent. With myold Touch Cruise, i make video calls. It's iPhone that should step up.
@krishansy why wouldn't you want better resolution that's stupid that's like saying I don't ever want a 52 inch television I have a 27 inch and its better.
@AngelLulu so does the incredible too. That's all up to who uses it. It doesn't matter because your eyes are tricked into seeing it anyway.
@Michael Scrip : What, no Evo?
@TareG
That's 4x the old iPhone resolution, not 2x. Learn some basic math. There's diminishing returns increasing resolution on such a small screen. Now go troll somewhere else.