@stabbytheicepic I only trust that word out of Jobs's mouth. :) Just updated my N1 to Froyo (long install!!!) and Flash has been so/so, crashed twice out of 5 videos. Also, have you noticed yours getting real hot?
@belfastbiker It shouldn't be crashing at all, even though it even choses to crash sometimes on my MBP. On the videos that it did work on, it was extremely choppy, not an enjoyable viewing experience. I'm slowly giving Apple's HTML5 stance a little more credence.
@ArticiaS Just like CD's in '98, HTML5 is a developing technology that is far from finished. But, just like the floppy drive, it is up to a company or two to push Flash out so that new technologies can step in. After using Flash on my N1 for a few hours now (current tally stands at 7 crash/ 9 "work"), I think it really is time to move to something new for the slew of light-powered devices that are hitting the market. HTML5 may be the answer.
@dorothymantooth No crashes here at all. The videos are not as smooth as in the youtube app, but perfectly watchable. What's even better is the smorgasbord of flash games that have now become available. Want a quick puzzle, or a short action, game while waiting for a bus? Just load up a browser and go, no installs, no "lite" versions and no ads - beautiful.
@2late2die Most of the online games have been playable, though some refuse to work. But when I'm on my phone (whether it be my N1 or iPhone) I spend most of my time in apps and barely any time in a browser, so having game apps is much more useful. Plus, the quality of most gaming apps from Market and the App Store is much greater than that of most online games.
@dorothymantooth It's not like Google/Android Team is "anti-HTML5", they are all for it and even recently announced WebM, which might (note MIGHT), become the defacto web-video codec/player so it's not like they are even trying to say Flash is so great either. They are just including it because as of now, Flash is a large part of the web for better or worse. Personally I would like to see a switch that would disable Flash unless it was optimized for mobile-use.
My Nexus One is actually better at playing Flash videos than my computer is. It runs every bit as smooth as the YouTube app, but without the blurry compression over 3G. No crashes yet, either. I'm extremely impressed with the performance so far.
You seem to be the biggest troll/apple rep right now. I looked at your troll profile and all you do is talk about how cool apple is, and everything else fails. This is a "Tech Blog" not a "Apple fan site". Chill out and read the news.
@DBG I just updated to Froyo on my nexus one. There is an option under the browser's plugin section to only use it on demand. So I only load the flash I'm interested in, it makes the browsing experience quite nice.
The future sounds OPEN. What you people don't seem to be realizing is that ANY Flash is more than what the competitors offer. That's the beauty of Android: the ability to have options regarding content.
Can someone explain to me why this isn't exactly like the computer battle between Apple and Microsoft in the 80's and 90's except in fast forward?
On further thought: How to stop this supposed "fragmentation."
Here's the problem. It's physically impossible for Google to keep up this pace of new software that requires more and more hardware power. Once Android has leapfrogged the iPhone in terms of technical ability, Google will slow down. They will move to a more annual or biannual basis of releasing updates. However, they still have more to do.
@dorothymantooth I guess that's why it's a beta (also, I heard there was no hardware acceleration yet, so that's probably part of the problem). But at least you have a way to see most videos on the web, which is better than nothing (should be even better when hardware acceleration comes).
HTML5 is still quite far in the future. I don't think Google and Adobe every really argued against HTML5 (both of them support it in their products). They are just saying consumers should have the choice to use Flash while HTML5 is still being worked on. Steve is trying to ingrain into the mindset of everyone that either you use Flash or you use HTML5; many people are missing the point that you can have both.
@jakey I see your point, and I agree with you, somewhat. Apple didn't give people choice when they excluded the floppy drive in the first iMac, but in hindsight, it was a brilliant move. This is a real tough call. Adobe was a beacon of innovation during the 90's, but over the past decade, they've stagnated. It's a real disappointment. Hopefully they can come up with a more secure, stable version of Flash for light powered devices soon. Then Apple can take a second look.
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Im busy watching full blown flash videos on my N1
@stabbytheicepic
You ****...
-.-
@stabbytheicepic
Commenting in-between crashes?
@dorothymantooth lol no crashes here. It just works, and it's magical
@stabbytheicepic
I only trust that word out of Jobs's mouth. :) Just updated my N1 to Froyo (long install!!!) and Flash has been so/so, crashed twice out of 5 videos. Also, have you noticed yours getting real hot?
@dorothymantooth not any hotter then normal.
@stabbytheicepic
I think my N1 yelled at me..
I was playing a flash video, and it crashed.. and i swear to god I think I heard "Dont play it again, you ****"
....
I am so scared you guys :'(
@stabbytheicepic
I guess you like watching slideshows
@Technologeee
That's weird. My nexus has been talking to me, too, after I downloaded the update.
http://www.theonion.com/video/new-google-phone-service-whispers-targeted-ads-dir,17470/
@dorothymantooth it's crashed twice on five videos, and you call that so-so? Your standard are REALLY low.
@belfastbiker
It shouldn't be crashing at all, even though it even choses to crash sometimes on my MBP. On the videos that it did work on, it was extremely choppy, not an enjoyable viewing experience. I'm slowly giving Apple's HTML5 stance a little more credence.
@dorothymantooth
So it's worth than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4
@ArticiaS
Just like CD's in '98, HTML5 is a developing technology that is far from finished. But, just like the floppy drive, it is up to a company or two to push Flash out so that new technologies can step in. After using Flash on my N1 for a few hours now (current tally stands at 7 crash/ 9 "work"), I think it really is time to move to something new for the slew of light-powered devices that are hitting the market. HTML5 may be the answer.
@dorothymantooth No crashes here at all. The videos are not as smooth as in the youtube app, but perfectly watchable.
What's even better is the smorgasbord of flash games that have now become available. Want a quick puzzle, or a short action, game while waiting for a bus? Just load up a browser and go, no installs, no "lite" versions and no ads - beautiful.
@2late2die
Most of the online games have been playable, though some refuse to work. But when I'm on my phone (whether it be my N1 or iPhone) I spend most of my time in apps and barely any time in a browser, so having game apps is much more useful. Plus, the quality of most gaming apps from Market and the App Store is much greater than that of most online games.
@dorothymantooth It's not like Google/Android Team is "anti-HTML5", they are all for it and even recently announced WebM, which might (note MIGHT), become the defacto web-video codec/player so it's not like they are even trying to say Flash is so great either. They are just including it because as of now, Flash is a large part of the web for better or worse. Personally I would like to see a switch that would disable Flash unless it was optimized for mobile-use.
@Vanilla Sperm
My Nexus One is actually better at playing Flash videos than my computer is. It runs every bit as smooth as the YouTube app, but without the blurry compression over 3G. No crashes yet, either. I'm extremely impressed with the performance so far.
@Vanilla Sperm
You seem to be the biggest troll/apple rep right now. I looked at your troll profile and all you do is talk about how cool apple is, and everything else fails. This is a "Tech Blog" not a "Apple fan site". Chill out and read the news.
@DBG I just updated to Froyo on my nexus one. There is an option under the browser's plugin section to only use it on demand. So I only load the flash I'm interested in, it makes the browsing experience quite nice.
The general consensus seems to be that Flash + Android is like a wind-up record player installed atop a vehicle's engine.
"It heats up, doesn't work very long, skips, and stops working a lot, but when it works it's awesome!"
If that sounds like the future to you, great.
@Mmmm Donuts
The future sounds OPEN. What you people don't seem to be realizing is that ANY Flash is more than what the competitors offer. That's the beauty of Android: the ability to have options regarding content.
Can someone explain to me why this isn't exactly like the computer battle between Apple and Microsoft in the 80's and 90's except in fast forward?
@Mike10010100
On further thought: How to stop this supposed "fragmentation."
Here's the problem. It's physically impossible for Google to keep up this pace of new software that requires more and more hardware power. Once Android has leapfrogged the iPhone in terms of technical ability, Google will slow down. They will move to a more annual or biannual basis of releasing updates. However, they still have more to do.
@dorothymantooth
I guess that's why it's a beta (also, I heard there was no hardware acceleration yet, so that's probably part of the problem). But at least you have a way to see most videos on the web, which is better than nothing (should be even better when hardware acceleration comes).
HTML5 is still quite far in the future. I don't think Google and Adobe every really argued against HTML5 (both of them support it in their products). They are just saying consumers should have the choice to use Flash while HTML5 is still being worked on. Steve is trying to ingrain into the mindset of everyone that either you use Flash or you use HTML5; many people are missing the point that you can have both.
@jakey
I see your point, and I agree with you, somewhat. Apple didn't give people choice when they excluded the floppy drive in the first iMac, but in hindsight, it was a brilliant move. This is a real tough call. Adobe was a beacon of innovation during the 90's, but over the past decade, they've stagnated. It's a real disappointment. Hopefully they can come up with a more secure, stable version of Flash for light powered devices soon. Then Apple can take a second look.
webos has been out less than a year and already has more quality game support than android. I wonder why
@stabbytheicepic
I'm busy watching vídeos on my Ipad (netflix)
@dorothymantooth itroll...
@dorothymantooth
Flash is capable of crashing even hard-core gaming rigs