AT&T: 40 percent of iPhone sales are enterprise, Android 'built with a very specific focus to consumers'
It isn't just Verizon's Lowell McAdam with fascinating commentary at this Barclays Capital tech conference going down in New York this week. Ron Spears, who leads up AT&T's Business Solutions division, had some notable things to say about enterprise mobility -- specifically, the iPhone's role in taking businesses to the road, a magic trick typically associated almost exclusively with BlackBerry over the past ten years. Basically, Spears says that he's seeing extraordinary uptake on the business side with the iPhone since 2008 and the introduction of the platform's first enterprise-focused features; in fact, he claims that "four out of every 10 sales" are to enterprise users these days and that it has all but caught up to BlackBerry for the kind of modern, tight, full-featured security that your average IT department needs. On a related note, Spears says that he hasn't "seen the Android platform yet in the enterprise space," but that he figures it'll evolve over time to become "hard to ignore" to the enterprise segment. Of course, considering that AT&T has virtually no presence in the Android market at the moment, we're not surprised that he'd take a lukewarm tack -- so here's hoping that changes fast. Follow the break for more highlights of Spears' comments.
You mentioned mobility and clearly a lot of discussion of it and no conversation with AT&T would be complete without at least mentioning the iPhone. So, can you talk about the role you've seen the iPhone in particular playing in enterprise customers? And are there barriers to adoption that you see for the iPhone that you for example don't see for RIM, given prior experience with it?
So firstly, four out of 10 sales of the iPhone are made to enterprise users. When the iPhone came out, what most people heard in the first year from '07 to '08 was oh my God, it's not BlackBerry secure. This is not going to work on the enterprise space.
At the end of the day, it's just software. That's all it is. And by the time the 3G came out in '08 they had solved about 80% of the security issues. By the time the 3GS came out last summer, most CIOs will tell you today they have very few issues around the security that they need provided as they have come to know that RIM can do it because of the way RIM provides their solution.
So enterprises today view the iPhone as a mobile computer. It happens to have a voice application on it. But what's important is what you can do with it, and the way you can mobilize workforces, and specific parts of your workforce, not the entire workforce.
And things that it does at the executive level -- we have -- most of our monthly reporting is all built into an app that gets updated when our systems get updated, and we do an automatic fetch. And any time I want to look at where we sort of sit rom a financial point of view in ABS, it now resides on my iPhone as an app. So it starts to change the way you think about governing your business. It changes the speed with which you can make decisions.
And what the iPhone did and now has proliferated throughout the industry, so it's not the only smart phone out there, is that basically you've got a compute OS in a compute device. So it's not a voice device. It's not a single app device. It's a compute OS in a compute device. And it's the way enterprises think about it.
It is sort of the ultimate at this point in mobile computing. And it starts to allow them to make a decision like do they need laptops if they've got a field service force that needs one or two applications on a daily basis; do they need to go out and spend $1000 or $1200 for a laptop and then worry about sort of the lifecycle costs of keeping up with the laptop.
So mobile computers are changing the way enterprises think about how they provide access to information for either employees, customers, partners, supply chains. And we are at the very early stages in the enterprise space, the very early stages of watching these I call them mobile computers; you will call them integrated devices or smartphones, but they have compute capability that is -- and they can do it with a desktop-type experience because of the speed of the mobile broadband network. And when you run the fastest mobile network in the country and you can match a mobile computer to it, you are providing a terrific customer experience.
Are you seeing also interest or a similar level of acceptance related to the Android platform as well, or are we farther behind on that?
From my point of view -- I haven't seen the Android platform yet in the enterprise space. Not to say it won't come, but pretty much that platform has been built with a very specific focus to consumers. Over time, my guess is there will be an evolution that's kind of hard to ignore the enterprise space.
- "So what's driving demand in the enterprise space? And those of you that have heard me before, there are three macro trends that existed three years ago, and they've only accelerated in the last three years. Businesses being globalized, the technology being virtualized, and the access to the technology being mobilized. And so all of our strategy work that we started in '06 and '07 is informed by these three trends."
- "And with the smartphones that started to come into the market, specifically led by the iPhone in the summer of '08, the enterprise space from a mobility point of view has changed dramatically. And so today, when we think about how is all of this coming together, the convergence that everyone talked about 10 years ago was as we looked at IP networks, you were going to be able to collapse network infrastructures -- voice, data and video."
- "Today, the technologies that are starting to come together are those that have been virtualized -- network, data centers. And then you can wrap a mobility access into the data that's basically been virtualized. And you now are starting to build a very compelling solution set for enterprises. And more and more we are seeing this solution set accelerate regardless of the particular segment. This will work as well in small business as it will in global multinationals."
- "And we are going to mobilize everything. In the last 12 months, we've added 4 million business subscribers. We've doubled our integrated device sales. One in every two devices we sell in the enterprise space today is integrated. And what those devices are driving are the use of applications."
You mentioned mobility and clearly a lot of discussion of it and no conversation with AT&T would be complete without at least mentioning the iPhone. So, can you talk about the role you've seen the iPhone in particular playing in enterprise customers? And are there barriers to adoption that you see for the iPhone that you for example don't see for RIM, given prior experience with it?
So firstly, four out of 10 sales of the iPhone are made to enterprise users. When the iPhone came out, what most people heard in the first year from '07 to '08 was oh my God, it's not BlackBerry secure. This is not going to work on the enterprise space.
At the end of the day, it's just software. That's all it is. And by the time the 3G came out in '08 they had solved about 80% of the security issues. By the time the 3GS came out last summer, most CIOs will tell you today they have very few issues around the security that they need provided as they have come to know that RIM can do it because of the way RIM provides their solution.
So enterprises today view the iPhone as a mobile computer. It happens to have a voice application on it. But what's important is what you can do with it, and the way you can mobilize workforces, and specific parts of your workforce, not the entire workforce.
And things that it does at the executive level -- we have -- most of our monthly reporting is all built into an app that gets updated when our systems get updated, and we do an automatic fetch. And any time I want to look at where we sort of sit rom a financial point of view in ABS, it now resides on my iPhone as an app. So it starts to change the way you think about governing your business. It changes the speed with which you can make decisions.
And what the iPhone did and now has proliferated throughout the industry, so it's not the only smart phone out there, is that basically you've got a compute OS in a compute device. So it's not a voice device. It's not a single app device. It's a compute OS in a compute device. And it's the way enterprises think about it.
It is sort of the ultimate at this point in mobile computing. And it starts to allow them to make a decision like do they need laptops if they've got a field service force that needs one or two applications on a daily basis; do they need to go out and spend $1000 or $1200 for a laptop and then worry about sort of the lifecycle costs of keeping up with the laptop.
So mobile computers are changing the way enterprises think about how they provide access to information for either employees, customers, partners, supply chains. And we are at the very early stages in the enterprise space, the very early stages of watching these I call them mobile computers; you will call them integrated devices or smartphones, but they have compute capability that is -- and they can do it with a desktop-type experience because of the speed of the mobile broadband network. And when you run the fastest mobile network in the country and you can match a mobile computer to it, you are providing a terrific customer experience.
Are you seeing also interest or a similar level of acceptance related to the Android platform as well, or are we farther behind on that?
From my point of view -- I haven't seen the Android platform yet in the enterprise space. Not to say it won't come, but pretty much that platform has been built with a very specific focus to consumers. Over time, my guess is there will be an evolution that's kind of hard to ignore the enterprise space.























@BecauseItsNotGoogle
I thought the definition of "junk" was something that is physically crap. Have I been taught wrong all these years?
@liftedngifted1 He doesn't always troll, it's weird, he comes up with some valid points every-so-often, then ruins them with 10 pieces of fanboy gibberish.
@d0mth0ma5 and now he's gone, and our comments look like gibberish...
'"four out of every 10 sales" are to enterprise users these days' is a little different than 40 percent of all iPhones being enterprise. Not a huge thing, just seems slightly misrepresented.
@Stratification
It's a surprising figure. If he's just referring to the US that's about 450,000 a quarter.
Still, you never know...
@Stratification
It's like saying Ferraris are enterprise focused because 40% of them are sold to rich business men with small genitalia... kind of... ish...
@MarkAnderson I'm just saying that just because 40% sold right now are enterprise there's no reason to think that's been the case since day one. So the number of total iPhones is bound to be lower. Not a big deal, just one of those things that gets under my skin (a little).
@Stratification
I was thinking the same thing as soon as I read that line. I hate to nitpick about a couple words, but it could be a pretty different number - it's impressive enough to go without the misleading headline and say: "40 percent of current iPhone sales are enterprise".
@Stratification
Suck it android, real smart phone OSes are call iPhone and windows phone 7
@Stratification 100% agree, tons of people connect to work MS exchange from their phones... how does this make iPhone enterprise? While back I was using ubuntu on my desktop and was connecting to OWA (outlook web access). Does this make make my home installation enterprise?
@Stratification
As far as I can tell, all this means is that 40% of iphones are on business accounts. Business accounts =/= 'Enterprise'.
Of course they are going to see a steep rise since 2008... they weren't allowed on business accounts before that. Nice twist
I know plenty of families or even groups of friends that have business accounts because they have a home based business or they are a small business owner, and want to get around AT@T's 5 line limit on family plans.
I'm not saying they aren't penetrating (hehe) the enterprise market, but I can't see the numbers being anywhere close to what they stated.
@Stratification
Oh I know, there's not a cat's chance in hell that 40% of all iPhone sales are to enterprise. Still, these are reasonable numbers even if you take into account iPhone sales are at the low point in their sales cycle because of the upcoming release of a new model.
@Stratification Definitely, especially when just hours ago, there was a post detailing how all you needed to do to read iPhone data was to plug it into an Ubuntu PC. Yeah, that's really secure.
@Stratification
It's complete BS meant to portray the iPhone as a business phone.
I am an AT&T Enterprise user. What this means is that I get a discount on AT&T plans and phones through my job. (My job also offers discounts on Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint plans and phones). I bet you that the iPhone I purchased last year was counted as an "enterprise purchase" even though I have never, ever used my phone for work, nor would my job expect me to. All of our company cell phones are Blackberry phones.
Lies, damned lies and PR statistics!
@zangetsu2
I work for a Fortune 20 company. 250k employees. I'm sure TONS of people have iPhones. Not one of them, however, is allowed on our network or can access their exchange account.
So, there might be 20k iPhones bought through our company but they are treated as a dumb phone for all intents and purposes. If you want network/exchange access you will be using a BB or nothing at all.
@Stratification
Actually, you are wrong. Here is the quote: "So firstly, four out of 10 sales of the iPhone are made to enterprise users."
So, yeah, Engadget is right by saying that 40% of iPhone sales are enterprise.
@Stratification
Doesn't surprise me at all, the ONLY people I know with iPhones got them through thier company (and were actually required.) Sure it was an upgrade from thier Blackberrry's (except for missing that keyboard), but half of them really wish they could get an android instead.
@Padilla7921 I quoted it directly from their first paragraph. And your quote still indicates present tense which doesn't indicate that 4 out of 10 has been the case since the launch of the iPhone. As I said it's a small thing.
@Stratification Plus (unless I'm going crazy) I think the title has been adjusted to be more accurate since I made my post.
@Stratification
It's misrepresenting. They don't exactly say what they consider to be enterprise. My last work, there were a lot of iPhones whose bills were being paid for by corporate accounts. These devices were personal purchases. They weren't enterprise specific purchases.
The last few companies I worked (yeah I job hop) all officially support and provide blackberries. These are corp purchases. They are devices procured by the enterprise, maintained and officially supported for their employees.
Not one company I know (I'm sre there are some) makes iphones a corporate purchase. More often than not, the iphones are personal purchases that they use with their corporate plans. And in many cases, IT will unofficially provide *some* support to unofficial devices. Heck I took in one of my Nokia N devices and the IT guys took care of me on it. Just expect some restrictions and if something goes wrong, you're still on your own.
The way things have looked the last few years, any proponent of iphone will cast their definition to be as wide as possible. It's been done before (we are now bigger than Nokia!). The fact is, if you wanted to, the iPhone for your 13 yr old son/daughter could be considered "enterprise".
@ounkeo
Yeah, it's like when friends of mine have bought personal laptops through the corporate Dell account. Those laptops aren't getting used for work. They were just cheaper that way.
@MarkAnderson what makes you so sure a cat wouldn't have a chance in hell?
@b3nj4m1n
Unless it was wearing an asbestos suit I'm pretty sure it wouldn't.
hmmmm, wonder how WP7 will fit into all this..
@abedinthehouse
The only reason iphone to enterprise works is because of Exchange support, thats it. Without that they would not be successful at all in this area. WP7 will be better in the enterpise category with full Office. Unless MS drops the ball enterprise customers will flock to WP7 in droves.
@UnsilentMajority
My thoughts precisely.
"modern, tight, full-featured security that your average IT department needs"
Yeah, nice try.
http://www.iphonehellas.gr/17507/iphone-os-vulnerability-your-pin-protected-data-are-not-protected/
@alphafish
yeah Apple and Security dont go very well together
@alphafish
you beat me to it XD
@alphafish
Article is referencing the Exchange-based provisioning, security, remote wipe, etc. We're seeing pretty similar numbers ourselves in terms of enterprise adoption. More and more, the enterprise is following what the consumer is doing rather than the other way around.
Android will be next, no doubt.
@AlienSix Compared to google apple is a safe deposit box!
@BecauseItsNotGoogle Do you troll for a profession?
@BecauseItsNotGoogle
Yeah that means its not for you
'for the kind of modern, tight, full-featured security that your average IT department needs.'
engadget should read their own articles sometimes...
That means 60% are only sold to consumers. Wow
I work in IT for a large real estate company. I've been recommending Android to our agents ever since the Hero came out. We now have a large number of Heroes, Droids and Moments being used, all of which have been working seamlessly with our Exchange servers. If there is a lack of enterprise acceptance with Android, I think it must be related to lack of knowledge on the consumer side, because the functionality is most certainly there.
@OrbitalGun
I fully support Android and Linux for Business and Enterprise. So efficient
@OrbitalGun
Android's lacking WPA2 enterprise support, remote wipe, Android's built-in browser does't support client certificates and client authentication in SSL, should I go on?
My IT guy won't let Android connect to our servers until at least Froyo is out. I wouldn't recommend Android to any of my enterprise clients - yet.
@bonesb froyo has all of those enterprise based features and more, been using it on my n1 since it leaked and just got full approval to use it with full work network access and support.
It's nice to be able to VPN in remotly as well as connecting to the PEAP TLS wireless network now.
@bonesb
Froyo is the death of enterprise iPhone. Suck It Steve.
And the iPhone wasn't designed with consumers primarily in mind? Who are they kidding.
Most corporate guys I know use Windows Mobile or Blackberry. Of course, ATT is the iPhone network, so what else are they going to say...
(love the name)
And this is the statement I believe is most correct. Granted I don't work in a ''business'' environment, but I've yet to see anyone in any meaningful position use iPhones as their company phone.
Maybe they're thinking about their ''premier'' customers? Even I can gain access to that system.
@BigJayDogg3
That was a point i made to an above comment as well. If you spin it a little bit and cast the definition wide enough, heck, anyone can be considered an enterprise purchase. I'm sure most of those "enterprise" purchases are for personal use, friends, family etc etc.
Purchasing on a corporate/enterprise plan doesn't make it an enterprise purchase.; nor does purchasing it personally and using it for work make it an enterprise purchase.
@BecauseItsNotGoogle
face HPalm
@liftedngifted1 no I just think he is an attention whore, that's much worse. there is nothing that can be done at this stage of the cancer.
@liftedngifted1
Yes, he works for at&t
AT&T will push the iPhone in anyway they possibly can. The funny part is they never really had to say much before since iPhone sold extremely well.
Now not only do you have RIM with their business users but you have Android eating up tons of users and you stuck with a company that for all we know won't let you officially support a strong Android device.
Make no mistake about it, Apple hates Android and is afraid of it. They will try and do whatever it takes to not be better than Android but to kill it all together.
I'm not sure how other people's experiences have been but we started rolling out iPhones to users syncing with Exchange over Activesync quite some time ago. Since then, we have been plagued by weird problems where meetings disappear from the iPhone and even issues where meeting requests were being constantly sent out automatically (we checked the logs and all the messages originated from the iPhone). Unfortunately, it is impossible to get support on this since Microsoft points the finger back and Apple and vice versa. It's gotten to the point where we tell users not to trust the iPhone calendar and to only accept meetings requests directly from Outlook.
I have been using a Droid ever since it came out and sync to Exchange via a third party app (Touchdown) and have had none of the calendar issues iPhone users have. I also heard that 2.2 is supposed to have better Activesync support out of the box including support for some security policies.
I am not saying that all Enterprise users have problems with syncing their iPhones with Exchange, but just wanted to share the experience my company has had.
@jhow
Exchange calendaring sucks, flat out. My phone is more reliable than my computer in terms of having meetings up-to-date, but i see double entires and missing items all the time, on all platforms.