While we pine for the days of
large 16:10 panels, we have to admit
Hewlett-Packard knows how to craft a sleek-looking 16:9. This week, the electronics manufacturer launched four new no-nonsense LCD screens at the movie-friendly aspect ratio, the HP 2010i, 2210m, 2310m and 2710m. While the first two digits of each alphanumeric reflect its diagonal screen size (except for the 2210m, which is apparently 21.5 inches across), the 'i' designation apparently reflects the fact that you're getting a sub-par 1600 x 900 resolution and DVI / VGA inputs, when the other three monitors also display HDMI content in full 1080p. All four panels have reasonably low response times, embedded 2W speakers and 1000:1 contrast ratios, and at their current prices ($180, $220, $260 and a likely $350-$400, respectively) all will likely make suitable choices if you're in the market for an above-average computer screen. Us? We'll make do with old Dell products while we wait for the company's
wallpaper model.
posted May 27th 2010 4:34AM
"the 'i' designation apparently reflects the fact that you're getting a sub-par resolution" looks like they missed the 'i' out on the 2710m
@noodles2k
zoooommmmggggggggg
@noodles2k
Why do they continue to manufacture new monitors without improving th technology? There's a 100 identical offerings to these already available. Try IPS panels?
@Failbait
But look! Its all shiny and new!
I just want to know why if you're going to keep producing monitors that are virtually identical, why do you make the new models suck more than the outgoing one?
@BigJayDogg3
HP do have some pretty good screens, LP2475/80w but if they're gonna make junk like this they might as well merge with Apple.
get rid of VGA ports.
@Coke:
VGA is faster than DVI.
@michaspi the fact most new video cards dont have VGA ports is what i'am saying
@michaspi Also can output less pixels at a time. Also reminds me of old CRT screens. Also, no computer I've bought in the past 6 years has had a VGA port.
@michaspi
and vga is rubbish and companies should be forced to get people to move on...
@Prospero VGA is just fine. It's a simple interchange format that every computer I've owned in the last ten years has had. My budget desktop I built has VGA on the onboard 7050M and on the cardborne 9500GT. My Eee has a VGA port. When we hook up the iMacs to the projector at college, we use VGA. I've never even SEEN a DVI monitor. I don't know what internal format the latest and last year iMacs use for their LCDs but whatever it is it has the worst dot crawl and noise in dark areas I've seen, especially on UDK. My budget HDTV (using HDMI @1680x1050) I use as a monitor might be 6-bit but to be honest I really would take banding over dot crawl and fuzzy noise.
@Prospero VGA is just fine. It's a simple interchange format that every computer I've owned in the last ten years has had. My budget desktop I built has VGA on the onboard 7050M and on the cardborne 9500GT. My Eee has a VGA port. When we hook up the iMacs to the projector at college, we use VGA. I've never even SEEN a DVI monitor. I don't know what internal format the latest and last year iMacs use for their LCDs but whatever it is it has the worst dot crawl and noise in dark areas I've seen, especially on UDK. My budget HDTV (using HDMI @1680x1050) I use as a monitor might be 6-bit but to be honest I really would take banding over dot crawl and fuzzy noise.
@nexekho DAMN THIS COMMENT SYSTEM
@Coke
Do you realize how many laptops there are that ship with only VGA ports?
@Coke
No, don't get rid of VGA. That was the only way I got my Xbox to connect to my 2059m.
HP monitors always have such huge stands. Damn things barely fit on the desk without pushing the keyboard into your lap.
Wait, I don't get it. Why are they nerfing the max screen resolutions on these monitors?
All computer monitors should be 16x10... 1920x1200 or whatever.
If you say "you'll get black bars if you watch a movie" I might have to punch you. I can ignore black bars at the top and bottom of my screen while watching a movie. But I cannot forgive the companies who *reduce* the number of pixels available on a computer monitor.
It's a computer monitor first... I'm not sitting at my desk to watch a Blu-Ray.
@Michael Scrip Agreed! 1080p is for TV's, not for computer monitors. If I wanted a TV, I would buy a TV!
Worst part is when monitors above 24 inches are 1920x1200 or 1920x1080... I mean, seriously. Hello, giant pixels? (At least Apple did the right thing here with the 27-inch iMac)
@Eruanno True.... I've said it before and I'll say it again. I want 27" or larger monitor with more resolution at a sub 1000 price point. It seems the only options are extremely expensive.
Is it no technically possible to do a 27 or 30 inch TN panel?
@Michael Scrip
I know that what I am about to say will go against the common opinion here, as judged by your high-ranking status, however not everybody needs 16x10 computer monitors. Not every PC is bought with the intention of being a "work/desk" computer. My HP HDX16 was bought to be a MEDIA computer, mainly to watch videos and listen to music. Doesn't mean that working with Excel and Word are terrible either. It's a trade-off that many are apparently willing to make.
@webran61
It's not a tradeoff that I'm willing to make, and it looks like I'm not alone.
@webran61
But that's my point. If you have a 16x10 monitor... and you use it to watch movies... you might have some black bars at the top and bottom... which are just that... black and empty.
But, when you do you the monitor for a computer... that area that was once black for a movie can actually be used for screen real estate for the taskbar/dock at the bottom and the file menu at the top. It doesn't bother me to have empty spaces during the movie... but I want that area to be used other times.
Plus... the 16x9 argument for movies get shot to hell when you watch a true cinematic movie that was shot in Widescreen Anamorphic 2.40:1 because you will still get black bars on a 16x9 screen.
1080p for 27"? Bye!
hp always makes awesome monitors.
@Grubasaurus Rex
I only own one HP product and its a 22" monitor w/ VGA and HDMI.
One of the best monitors I've ever owned.
Can also rotate into portrait mode for vertical shoot em up action
oh? consumer products actually making sense?
don't you guys want it to get wider, wider and wider? like oh ever so cool let's go from 5:4 to 4:3! 16:10 is the shit! 16:9 and no black frames! and 2.35:1 is the new 16:9, baby!
get with the times, man! don't stop the revolution until you get a ratio of 9001:1. consumers will probably decide between a 9001:1 and a possible 9002:1 upgrade.
I have last year's model, the 2159m, but it's 1920x1080. They might look pretty, but they're junk. I've ha four warranty replacements due to the backlight buzzing at anything below 100% brightness. I just gave up on it.
@AckbarsFist That's disheartening. I have a replacement monitor on the way for the very same issue. Other than the noise, the monitor is very good.
glossy = fail
@Peytral
glossy = fail
QFT
I'm still waiting till the 1080p buzzword wears out and monitor manufacturers start putting out high resolution monitors again.
1920x1080, really? A CRT monitor I had years ago had higher and crispier resolution than this.
1080p good for TVs, not computer monitors
I have a HP W2408h that runs at 1920x1200
I would love one of theses at 30 inch at the same res.
BTW Supers Street Fighter 4 looks sweet as hell on it.
My 24" 16:10 and 22" 16:9 (both a couple of years old) both display vertical resolutions of 1200.
1080 is SHIT!!!
@grobbo
I think you mean horizontal. "1080" is referring to 1920 x 1080.
@BigJayDogg3
No, I mean vertical. 1080 is vertical, my 1200 is vertical.
No LED backlighting?
Got the 2309m right here. What's the difference?!?!
*shrugs*
My MacMini fits precisely under the gap at the bottom. Luvly stuff!
And it's plugged in through the VGA port, the PC through the DVI and the X360 through the HDMI. Don't you DARE take away the VGA port! Some of us need 'em!!
"sub par 1600x900"? No, 1080 vertical is sub par on a 22" screen... should be 1200 lines AT LEAST for a PC monitor in this class size, and 27"+ monitors should be 1600 vertical.
Dual-link DVI and HDMI should be assumed, and displayport should be included on all new screens now as well. VGA is optional at this point as it is easy to use an adapter for VGA from any of the others.
I just purchased a hp w2338" monitor a few months ago for $250 and it doesn't seem any different from the 2310m at $260. I purchased it because I prefer glossy (I returned a dell ips 22" monitor for it, but don't hate me), and it's been a really good monitor. I was considering the 1080p 21.5" monitor at the time since it was less expensive, but the text was just too small.
But do they run WebOS?
I've got the 2009m. 1600x900. A really good monitor to be honest though. Has the same ginormous stand as these new ones.