google is definitely not bigger than HP when it comes to money...
As for playing a bigger role "fish" or w/e thats up for interpretation. Of course I don't like android or android fanboys so I don't see whats so alluring about his position.
It's interesting - from my POV, one of the potential upsides to the HP acquisition was the opportunity to integrate Palm's design team and harness their creativity for a refresh of the HP product base.
However, based on this defection, I would assume that this was never HP's intent. If this is the case, what is HP going to do with the stylistic influences still developing as part of WebOS? I'd put my money on stagnation, with an eventual conversion to a Windows Mobile solution. Which is kind of icky.
@TheLondonExchange What definition of "money" do you use? Assets? HP wins there, cash & cash equivalents and Mkt Cap Google wins.
Seeing as how with a loan equal to HPs liabilities Google would have more "assets" than HP, so your point is somewhat irrelevant. In case you don't know, and I've had to explain this on this site. If you take out a loan, you get cash, that cash goes on your books as an "asset" and has an offsetting "liability" (not trying to patronize or insult).
HP is a big company, but you also have to consider Google's youth in some ways too. Google is where it's at in a lot of ways, but it's not everything to everyone. Obviously he has something going for him there.
mkt cap, Goog 154B, HP 110B.
HP 42B in st liabilities, another 14 in lt liabilities Goog 3B in st liabilities, 0 LT.
Of note, it's small money but HP, if I read correctly, had to pay half a billion in cash to finance that debt last year. It's nice not having to do that.
@juanvaldez Sorry, I wanted to go back and edit but forgot. Under normal circumstances I would've added in most of HP's receivables, but the current market conditions means it wouldn't be wise to take them at 100%, most of my point still favors Google.
But HP's financial position requires 0 envy from Google, and Google gets plenty of Envy from Wall Street.
@TheLondonExchange Just trying to give you some bait here, I probably wont even respond but here she goes:
"If MS has anything to say about it they will also come back full force and cause android to go down."
Why would this not have the biggest impact on the biggest fish in the sea, and essentially shake things out somewhat proportionally between all the top 3-5 players.
@juanvaldez its because as an apple fanboy he isn't willing to admit that anything can hurt apple... refuses to see that multiple next gen platforms will only mean less demand for such a controlled phone experience... @london a year? ill see you then and i hope for.your sake your favorite phone is still in that 2 spot it has now
@SteveyAyo I know that already, he's a hard one to forget. And that's why I said I probably wouldn't respond. With some people here, even people who like Apple, I can talk openly and trust even their potentially partially biased comments. This one though, he usually comes off as a company shill, more than a fanboy. I wouldn't put it past Apple, or any big company for that matter, to have a shill or two embedded here, but I don't think it's him because they might steer clear of the partisan fights and try to stick with fact-based arguments.
HP would have more in Short term liabilities by the very nature of their business model, they are hardware manufacturers and have contracts with hardware producers. You didn't write this was CPTD, which based on the LTD, I doubt it is but rather payables. That's some pretty crappy comparisons when you are discussing debt because you are making the reader assume this is bank debt or borrowing debt, its not. Its payables, a big difference from bank leverage.
@juanvaldez hell id go a step further and say that London Exchange might just be steve jobs himself, i mean he apparently love talking to blogs as of late so why not hop on engadget and start trolling Google and MSFT posts
@juanvaldez You know, I've just recently noticed how the only "fanboys" that get called out on this website are what your kind would call apple fanboys. You, sir are an android fanboy.
@TheLondonExchange what you seemingly don't understand is that here in the US, Apple iPhone can get so big because the main reason is that it is only on 1 carrier...not EVERYONE wants and iPhone and not EVERYONE wants to be on AT&T...that exclusivity deal is really gonna come back and hurt Apple...Android went the best route(the route webOS should've went) supply the software and let other people make hardware. Say what you want but no offense, a country with only and iPhone will totally suck, everyone has their own preference, mine is Android and will continue to be and if yours is the iPhone then that's cool, we can just continue to argue which one is better =)
@SteveyAyo, let me ask again: why do you think Android UI is substandard? I'm not trying to argue, I'd like to understand what is missing in my beloved Android.
@TheLondonExchange "One wonders though what prompted this move? I mean with HP this guy would have had pretty much unlimited resources to make webOS even better....
Now he's moving to google for what?"
You probably don't work for a "established corporation" do you? He would definitely not have unlimited resources. At least, not in the near future. Because mobile platforms are not part of HP strategy, but they are in Google's. And when it comes to the old corporations, like HP or IBM, strategies don't change easily. What he wanted, we can only speculate on. But compared to HP, Google is much more dynamic company, that is much more driven by technology and engineering, while HP is more of a managerial company(most old corporations tend to end up like that). But you have to work in both environments to realise radically they differ.
PS: Unlimited resources happen to exist only in companies that hold monopolies.
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Pretty shocking...good move for Google though.
One wonders though what prompted this move? I mean with HP this guy would have had pretty much unlimited resources to make webOS even better....
Now he's moving to google for what?
@TheLondonExchange To play for a bigger fish in an ever-growing pond, plus where he is more needed and probably has even *MORE unlimited* resources.
@juanvaldez
google is definitely not bigger than HP when it comes to money...
As for playing a bigger role "fish" or w/e thats up for interpretation. Of course I don't like android or android fanboys so I don't see whats so alluring about his position.
@TheLondonExchange android is slowly taking over from apple... and thats with a sub standard UI, with a polished UI on android nothing can stop it
@TheLondonExchange
It's interesting - from my POV, one of the potential upsides to the HP acquisition was the opportunity to integrate Palm's design team and harness their creativity for a refresh of the HP product base.
However, based on this defection, I would assume that this was never HP's intent. If this is the case, what is HP going to do with the stylistic influences still developing as part of WebOS? I'd put my money on stagnation, with an eventual conversion to a Windows Mobile solution. Which is kind of icky.
@TheLondonExchange What definition of "money" do you use? Assets? HP wins there, cash & cash equivalents and Mkt Cap Google wins.
Seeing as how with a loan equal to HPs liabilities Google would have more "assets" than HP, so your point is somewhat irrelevant. In case you don't know, and I've had to explain this on this site. If you take out a loan, you get cash, that cash goes on your books as an "asset" and has an offsetting "liability" (not trying to patronize or insult).
HP is a big company, but you also have to consider Google's youth in some ways too. Google is where it's at in a lot of ways, but it's not everything to everyone. Obviously he has something going for him there.
mkt cap, Goog 154B, HP 110B.
HP 42B in st liabilities, another 14 in lt liabilities
Goog 3B in st liabilities, 0 LT.
Of note, it's small money but HP, if I read correctly, had to pay half a billion in cash to finance that debt last year. It's nice not having to do that.
@SteveyAyo
You keep believing that Steve.
Lets agree to be back here in a year? Apple will release iPhone 4G. Sales will skyrocket even further.
Apple will solidify its grip on the mobile market and android will continue to be behind.
If MS has anything to say about it they will also come back full force and cause android to go down.
@juanvaldez Sorry, I wanted to go back and edit but forgot. Under normal circumstances I would've added in most of HP's receivables, but the current market conditions means it wouldn't be wise to take them at 100%, most of my point still favors Google.
But HP's financial position requires 0 envy from Google, and Google gets plenty of Envy from Wall Street.
@TheLondonExchange Just trying to give you some bait here, I probably wont even respond but here she goes:
"If MS has anything to say about it they will also come back full force and cause android to go down."
Why would this not have the biggest impact on the biggest fish in the sea, and essentially shake things out somewhat proportionally between all the top 3-5 players.
@juanvaldez its because as an apple fanboy he isn't willing to admit that anything can hurt apple... refuses to see that multiple next gen platforms will only mean less demand for such a controlled phone experience...
@london a year? ill see you then and i hope for.your sake your favorite phone is still in that 2 spot it has now
@SteveyAyo I know that already, he's a hard one to forget. And that's why I said I probably wouldn't respond. With some people here, even people who like Apple, I can talk openly and trust even their potentially partially biased comments. This one though, he usually comes off as a company shill, more than a fanboy. I wouldn't put it past Apple, or any big company for that matter, to have a shill or two embedded here, but I don't think it's him because they might steer clear of the partisan fights and try to stick with fact-based arguments.
@juanvaldez
HP would have more in Short term liabilities by the very nature of their business model, they are hardware manufacturers and have contracts with hardware producers. You didn't write this was CPTD, which based on the LTD, I doubt it is but rather payables. That's some pretty crappy comparisons when you are discussing debt because you are making the reader assume this is bank debt or borrowing debt, its not. Its payables, a big difference from bank leverage.
@juanvaldez hell id go a step further and say that London Exchange might just be steve jobs himself, i mean he apparently love talking to blogs as of late so why not hop on engadget and start trolling Google and MSFT posts
@juanvaldez You know, I've just recently noticed how the only "fanboys" that get called out on this website are what your kind would call apple fanboys. You, sir are an android fanboy.
@Steveayo You sir are a freaking troll.
@TheLondonExchange what you seemingly don't understand is that here in the US, Apple iPhone can get so big because the main reason is that it is only on 1 carrier...not EVERYONE wants and iPhone and not EVERYONE wants to be on AT&T...that exclusivity deal is really gonna come back and hurt Apple...Android went the best route(the route webOS should've went) supply the software and let other people make hardware. Say what you want but no offense, a country with only and iPhone will totally suck, everyone has their own preference, mine is Android and will continue to be and if yours is the iPhone then that's cool, we can just continue to argue which one is better =)
@SteveyAyo, let me ask again: why do you think Android UI is substandard? I'm not trying to argue, I'd like to understand what is missing in my beloved Android.
@TheLondonExchange "One wonders though what prompted this move? I mean with HP this guy would have had pretty much unlimited resources to make webOS even better....
Now he's moving to google for what?"
You probably don't work for a "established corporation" do you?
He would definitely not have unlimited resources. At least, not in the near future. Because mobile platforms are not part of HP strategy, but they are in Google's. And when it comes to the old corporations, like HP or IBM, strategies don't change easily.
What he wanted, we can only speculate on. But compared to HP, Google is much more dynamic company, that is much more driven by technology and engineering, while HP is more of a managerial company(most old corporations tend to end up like that). But you have to work in both environments to realise radically they differ.
PS: Unlimited resources happen to exist only in companies that hold monopolies.
@Econ,
Yes, that would be said. I'm looking forward for beautiful WebOS tablet (along the way with Android "Adam" tablet from Notion Ink.)