Instead of just one point stabbing, how about testing it by scrubbing a key? I mean this is what people want to know, when they put the thing inside a pocket together with a bunch of keys.
@pika2000 I'm a normal* person, and my phone goes in my left pocket, my keys go in my right pocket. Why would you put both in the same pocket? [I'm actually left-handed, so I imagine a "normal" (right-handed) person would have cell on the right, keys on the left.]
@pika2000 As you can tell already, most people do not put their keys and phone together. Personally, change and keys go in left pocket, phone and wallet in right pocket, since I'm right-handed.
Also, considering the size of the streak I'm not sure anyone would want to put anything in a pocket with it... Looking forward to its release, looks like a nice bit of kit...
@tomas The fact that you're reading engadget means that you're not normal. Readers here are more likely to pay attention to their gadgets. Not the case with the rest of the normal people. Just look at how many complaints about people having the screen on their iPods/phones scratches. Really, I'm amazed how many of you are butthurt just because I request a real-life test. You nerds are not normal, period.
@fishtastic Most people here, which are nerds, and != normal. Go outside for once, and see how many people complain how the screen of their phones/iPods scratches. Again, my test request is a real-life test, not out of the ordinary. Stabbing a pen on a screen is not a real-life test.
That test is old. I remember people doing it with the first iPhone that was released, and I assume this screen is an improvement over the old iPhone one.
That makes no sense. We ask you why it's not normal. You then proceed to explain some unrelated opinion, then again state that we're not normal, without providing any reasoning behind such a statement.
What are you talking about?
I also keep my phone in my left pocket. Keys, knife, and chapstick go in my right pocket. Who keeps their phone in the same pocket as their keys? Unless you have a purse...
I keep my wallet in one pocket. I keep by phone and my keys in the other. Do we really need to break it down to that level for you idiot tech geeks? You guys are supposed to be "intelligent"
Yet you can't even understand that to your AVERAGE individual the Dell Streak is a humongous phone...
@TheRogueFFAngel so BrianH is an idiot? Would it be right to call you an idiot because I keep my wallet in my back pocket like 90% of the people I know?
He simply asked why someone would keep a phone with their keys. Just needed a answer. A simple "i prefer my wallet up front" or "i'm in a rush sometimes, and just toss my phone in a pocket" would have sufficed.
Also, while the phone is huge, the key test is alway useful. If successful, maybe more people will ask for it in every glass based screen device.
No it would not have sufficed. You guys and your holier than thou attitude would have something else to bitch about.
I may disagree with pika on several issues but one thing he is RIGHt about is that most of you are not normal.
You have no idea what the average consumer wants or cares about. You're just spec whores who want everything and anything under the sun to be crammed into a single device.
Anyways I hope to see a video with Engadget showing how this fits into a pocket by itself. I wanna know how awkward or not so awkward this phone will look and feel when its NOT in my hands (I'm on AT&T so I'm interested in it)
@pika2000 I use a button-down key wallet ever since I noticed my keys were scratching my cell phone. I want to get the Streak 5 or 7. Streak 5 might fit in my jacket pocket. I would like to use my SIM card in the Streak but my regular cell phone stays with me too because that's the emergency lifeline.
"Anyways I hope to see a video with Engadget showing how this fits into a pocket by itself. I wanna know how awkward or not so awkward this phone will look and feel when its NOT in my hands"
@TheRogueFFAngel First, you should be nicer to the "tech geeks." When the *average* person's computer breaks, who do they go to? A "tech geek." Who is the person that actually takes these innovative gadget ideas and makes them a reality, a "tech geek." You can bash the geeks all you want, but at the end of the day, you need us. You wouldn't call your doctor an idiot before he operates on you, would you?
And to answer you question about the phone size in relation to the pocket, They already did this comparison a couple months back and it was fine. A quick search would have revealed this to you, but you're not a "tech geek" just a stupid end user who wouldn't know how to do that.
@Mike Cerm I put my keys/thumbdrive in my right pocket, wallet/loose change in my left pocket and keep my phone in a holster on my left hip. For times when I don't have the holster, keys/loose change - right pocket, phone - left pocket, wallet - back right pocket.
@Failbait I think the real moral of the story is that we all need to use protection, because your keys can give your phone the gift that keeps on giving...a nasty scratch, it's like the herpes of the tech world
@JacaByte I must be some kinda weirdo... I'm right handed and I've always kept my phone on my left pocket, car keys w/keychain and a pen on the right pocket, house keys + small LED + tiny fingernail sized microSD reader on my change pocket if I'm wearing jeans (a lot of my dress pants have a 5th change pocket too).
@pika2000 Pika's got a point here. Everyone seems to be getting hung up on "Hey we're normal!" and not the fact that a phone/Mp3 player or similar device does end up making contact with objects such as keys, change, concrete, or any number of other hard objects over it's lifetime, even in the hands of a nerd/technophile/someone fond of their device. Stabbing it with a pen isn't a very realistic test no matter how you try and reason it or how you designate your pocket space. It is an excellent example of the ruggedness of the phone and resistance to pin-point pressure (and kudos) but I want to see how it stands up against scratches and falls, and the cracks that may result (along with potential LCD damage, which isn't always dependent on the strength of the glass) which are far more common than a device being jammed with a sharp/pointy object.
To be fair, it just seems to me that even the "average consumer" tends to keep their wallet in the back pocket. I may the resident gadget geek in my group of friends, but they all have their wallets in their back pockets. At least the guys,and the girls have them in their purses.
Just saying, that's what I've experienced. No need to accuse people of elitism. Maybe we're not normal but that doesn't mean every one of our behaviors aren't normal either.
@pika2000 Nope. We are people who actually think about such things before we load up our pockets. We are also the same people who don't need phones that are .005" thick because we don't have pants that only accommodate such devices. Think before you act. Welcome to the motto of people who have brains.
@pika2000 Actually, I have to agree with that. Why not try keys? The reason I put phone and keys in separate pockets is because I don't want my precious phone getting scratched. If phone doesn't get scratch easily you don't have to worry about accidentally placing it in the wrong packet. I lump coins and keys in the same pocket, because I don't care about them and they can easily be replaced. I already do that to my tough Olympus camera.
Sometimes there isn't a choice when you have a big hole in one of the pockets.
@pika2000 True, I always keep my phone and keys in the same pocket, but my phone is a Casio G'zone Boulder, so I'm really not worried about breaking it. If the Dell Streak were water resistant like my phone, I'd upgrade ASAP. I WANT a smart phone, but NEED a rugged water resistant phone because I work on boats.
@gittenlucky Dude he's just showing the anti scratch surface, not gorilla glass. This guy is pounding it hard with the pan, one step closer. Do that with an iphone and .
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Instead of just one point stabbing, how about testing it by scrubbing a key? I mean this is what people want to know, when they put the thing inside a pocket together with a bunch of keys.
@pika2000
you have 2 pockets right?
why would you put your phone with your keys?
@BrianH I'm guessing you're not a normal person.
@pika2000
Left pocket is for phone/music player.
Right pocket is for keys/loose change.
Always and forever!
@pika2000 how is using both pockets not normal? Most people I know do use both pockets, I'd like to think they are normal.
@pika2000 I'm a normal* person, and my phone goes in my left pocket, my keys go in my right pocket. Why would you put both in the same pocket? [I'm actually left-handed, so I imagine a "normal" (right-handed) person would have cell on the right, keys on the left.]
@pika2000
As you can tell already, most people do not put their keys and phone together. Personally, change and keys go in left pocket, phone and wallet in right pocket, since I'm right-handed.
Also, considering the size of the streak I'm not sure anyone would want to put anything in a pocket with it... Looking forward to its release, looks like a nice bit of kit...
@tomas The fact that you're reading engadget means that you're not normal. Readers here are more likely to pay attention to their gadgets. Not the case with the rest of the normal people. Just look at how many complaints about people having the screen on their iPods/phones scratches. Really, I'm amazed how many of you are butthurt just because I request a real-life test. You nerds are not normal, period.
@fishtastic Most people here, which are nerds, and != normal. Go outside for once, and see how many people complain how the screen of their phones/iPods scratches. Again, my test request is a real-life test, not out of the ordinary. Stabbing a pen on a screen is not a real-life test.
@pika2000
That test is old. I remember people doing it with the first iPhone that was released, and I assume this screen is an improvement over the old iPhone one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLgVfcj41uM
@pika2000
That makes no sense. We ask you why it's not normal. You then proceed to explain some unrelated opinion, then again state that we're not normal, without providing any reasoning behind such a statement.
What are you talking about?
I also keep my phone in my left pocket. Keys, knife, and chapstick go in my right pocket. Who keeps their phone in the same pocket as their keys? Unless you have a purse...
@pika2000 Check the key tests of the Droid's gorilla glass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4qJHNIiXow
@wonderyak Thank you. Now that's awesome.
@pika2000
Better question.
Why do we care what people who are too stupid to separate their keys and phone think?
@jon So, now you're the elitist nerd, and everybody else is stupid. Grow up.
@pika2000
I seperate my stuff, but there's also times in a rush that it doesn't happen, and scratches do.
If were so unconcerned with screen protection since we obviously never need it, why is everyone even bothering with this article?
@pika2000
I wouldn't go to a site for drag racing enthusiasts and ask about vanity mirrors.
You're asking for an everyman test on a site not frequented by everymen.
I think the staff here has a better grasp of their audience than you do.
Mayhaps you should smarten up.
@BrianH
You're an idiot.
I keep my wallet in one pocket. I keep by phone and my keys in the other. Do we really need to break it down to that level for you idiot tech geeks? You guys are supposed to be "intelligent"
Yet you can't even understand that to your AVERAGE individual the Dell Streak is a humongous phone...
@TheRogueFFAngel so BrianH is an idiot? Would it be right to call you an idiot because I keep my wallet in my back pocket like 90% of the people I know?
He simply asked why someone would keep a phone with their keys. Just needed a answer. A simple "i prefer my wallet up front" or "i'm in a rush sometimes, and just toss my phone in a pocket" would have sufficed.
Also, while the phone is huge, the key test is alway useful. If successful, maybe more people will ask for it in every glass based screen device.
@Linh
No it would not have sufficed. You guys and your holier than thou attitude would have something else to bitch about.
I may disagree with pika on several issues but one thing he is RIGHt about is that most of you are not normal.
You have no idea what the average consumer wants or cares about. You're just spec whores who want everything and anything under the sun to be crammed into a single device.
Anyways I hope to see a video with Engadget showing how this fits into a pocket by itself. I wanna know how awkward or not so awkward this phone will look and feel when its NOT in my hands (I'm on AT&T so I'm interested in it)
@pika2000 I use a button-down key wallet ever since I noticed my keys were scratching my cell phone.
I want to get the Streak 5 or 7. Streak 5 might fit in my jacket pocket. I would like to use my SIM card in the Streak but my regular cell phone stays with me too because that's the emergency lifeline.
@TheRogueFFAngel
"Anyways I hope to see a video with Engadget showing how this fits into a pocket by itself. I wanna know how awkward or not so awkward this phone will look and feel when its NOT in my hands"
We've done all that back in February! http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/dell-mini-5-prototype-impressions/
@TheRogueFFAngel
First, you should be nicer to the "tech geeks." When the *average* person's computer breaks, who do they go to? A "tech geek." Who is the person that actually takes these innovative gadget ideas and makes them a reality, a "tech geek." You can bash the geeks all you want, but at the end of the day, you need us. You wouldn't call your doctor an idiot before he operates on you, would you?
And to answer you question about the phone size in relation to the pocket, They already did this comparison a couple months back and it was fine. A quick search would have revealed this to you, but you're not a "tech geek" just a stupid end user who wouldn't know how to do that.
@Mike Cerm I put my keys/thumbdrive in my right pocket, wallet/loose change in my left pocket and keep my phone in a holster on my left hip. For times when I don't have the holster, keys/loose change - right pocket, phone - left pocket, wallet - back right pocket.
@Failbait I think the real moral of the story is that we all need to use protection, because your keys can give your phone the gift that keeps on giving...a nasty scratch, it's like the herpes of the tech world
@pika2000 I have to disagree with you about your usage of the term nerd. Nerds love academia. Geeks love video games and gadgets.
@JacaByte I must be some kinda weirdo... I'm right handed and I've always kept my phone on my left pocket, car keys w/keychain and a pen on the right pocket, house keys + small LED + tiny fingernail sized microSD reader on my change pocket if I'm wearing jeans (a lot of my dress pants have a 5th change pocket too).
@paul34
I totally agree. Wait... did you say 'knife'??
@Linh actually that just shows that 90% of people are idiots for putting wallets in their back pockets.
@BrianH
If you need 2 pockets, you blew it...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
@pika2000
Pika's got a point here. Everyone seems to be getting hung up on "Hey we're normal!" and not the fact that a phone/Mp3 player or similar device does end up making contact with objects such as keys, change, concrete, or any number of other hard objects over it's lifetime, even in the hands of a nerd/technophile/someone fond of their device. Stabbing it with a pen isn't a very realistic test no matter how you try and reason it or how you designate your pocket space. It is an excellent example of the ruggedness of the phone and resistance to pin-point pressure (and kudos) but I want to see how it stands up against scratches and falls, and the cracks that may result (along with potential LCD damage, which isn't always dependent on the strength of the glass) which are far more common than a device being jammed with a sharp/pointy object.
@TheRogueFFAngel
To be fair, it just seems to me that even the "average consumer" tends to keep their wallet in the back pocket. I may the resident gadget geek in my group of friends, but they all have their wallets in their back pockets. At least the guys,and the girls have them in their purses.
Just saying, that's what I've experienced. No need to accuse people of elitism. Maybe we're not normal but that doesn't mean every one of our behaviors aren't normal either.
@pika2000 Nope. We are people who actually think about such things before we load up our pockets. We are also the same people who don't need phones that are .005" thick because we don't have pants that only accommodate such devices. Think before you act. Welcome to the motto of people who have brains.
@aMac And your wallet goes where? Your purse?
@pika2000 Actually, I have to agree with that. Why not try keys? The reason I put phone and keys in separate pockets is because I don't want my precious phone getting scratched. If phone doesn't get scratch easily you don't have to worry about accidentally placing it in the wrong packet. I lump coins and keys in the same pocket, because I don't care about them and they can easily be replaced. I already do that to my tough Olympus camera.
Sometimes there isn't a choice when you have a big hole in one of the pockets.
@pika2000 http://bit.ly/no-more-pls
@pika2000
True, I always keep my phone and keys in the same pocket, but my phone is a Casio G'zone Boulder, so I'm really not worried about breaking it. If the Dell Streak were water resistant like my phone, I'd upgrade ASAP. I WANT a smart phone, but NEED a rugged water resistant phone because I work on boats.
@gittenlucky Dude he's just showing the anti scratch surface, not gorilla glass. This guy is pounding it hard with the pan, one step closer. Do that with an iphone and .