Bigfoot Networks reveal GPU / NIC combo card, talks up motherboard integration and WiFi
What do you get when you combine a gaming-centric NIC with a GPU? Truthfully, the world's still trying to figure that out, but Bigfoot Networks and TLU (responsible for the PowerColor brand) are jonesing to see what exactly will happen here at Computex. The two have joined forces on Bigfoot's first-ever integration effort -- the heretofore unnamed network card / graphics card hybrid combines a Killer 2100 with an ATI Radeon HD 5000 series GPU, and the prototype board on hand here in Taipei boasted a pair of DVI ports, an HDMI output and a gigabit Ethernet jack. The company's hoping that gamers will be eager to upgrade their GPU with one that also helps lower ping times and give them more control over which programs get priority when sharing bandwidth, and while pricing remains up in the air, the outfit's CEO told us that buying the combo card would obviously be cheaper than buying each one on its own. If all goes well, the first PowerColor / Bigfoot Networks card will be out and about in a few months, which led us to pry a little deeper into the outfit's plans.
We asked if it had any other integration tactics coming up, and they didn't hesitate to mention that mainboards are next on the mishmash block. Convincing motherboard makers to swap out the tried-and-true NIC for one of Killer's modules would obviously be a boon for a company that still describes itself as a "startup," and it's yet another avenue to get into a gamer's home that wouldn't traditionally buy a standalone network card. When we asked how long it would take for Killer cards to start showing up within gaming laptops, he seemed rather confident that it would happen in the not-too-distant future, and given their existing relationship with Alienware, we wouldn't be shocked in the least to hear of the M15x and M17x nabbing it first. Furthermore, Bigfoot's intently looking into getting its name on the wireless side sometime "next year," essentially providing WiFi users the same ping lowering, network controlling tactics that it currently does over Ethernet. Finally, we were told that there's nothing at all stopping the Killer 2100 from being integrated into more cards from more vendors, and if the right offer came along, you could definitely see a combo NIC / GPU with an NVIDIA core rather than ATI. Needless to say, the little-networking-company-that-could looks to be ramping things up in a big way, and while we never were much on buying standalone add-ins, we're duly intrigued by these integrated solutions.
We asked if it had any other integration tactics coming up, and they didn't hesitate to mention that mainboards are next on the mishmash block. Convincing motherboard makers to swap out the tried-and-true NIC for one of Killer's modules would obviously be a boon for a company that still describes itself as a "startup," and it's yet another avenue to get into a gamer's home that wouldn't traditionally buy a standalone network card. When we asked how long it would take for Killer cards to start showing up within gaming laptops, he seemed rather confident that it would happen in the not-too-distant future, and given their existing relationship with Alienware, we wouldn't be shocked in the least to hear of the M15x and M17x nabbing it first. Furthermore, Bigfoot's intently looking into getting its name on the wireless side sometime "next year," essentially providing WiFi users the same ping lowering, network controlling tactics that it currently does over Ethernet. Finally, we were told that there's nothing at all stopping the Killer 2100 from being integrated into more cards from more vendors, and if the right offer came along, you could definitely see a combo NIC / GPU with an NVIDIA core rather than ATI. Needless to say, the little-networking-company-that-could looks to be ramping things up in a big way, and while we never were much on buying standalone add-ins, we're duly intrigued by these integrated solutions.
Bigfoot Networks and TUL to Reveal Gaming Combo Card at Computex
Companies to demonstrate world's first GPU + NPU solution for online gamers
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. – May 27, 2010 – Bigfoot Networks, the networking technology company behind the Killer™ line of gaming networks cards, and TUL Corporation, a leading manufacturer of ATI graphics cards under the PowerColor® brand, will be unveiling a Gaming Combo Card at Computex that combines "best of breed" PC graphics and networking for online gaming. The working prototype is the result of cooperative design efforts on behalf of both companies announced in Taiwan earlier this year.
The Gaming Combo Card is the world's first single card, PCI Express solution combining Bigfoot Networks' Killer™ 2100 Gaming Network Card technology and ATI Radeon™ HD 5000 graphics family technology. The Gaming Combo Card taps into massive parallel processing power on the GPU to deliver unrivalled visual quality and gaming performance supporting Microsoft® DirectX® 11 technology. Using Killer™ Game Networking DNA™ technology, the card also classifies network traffic and separates game data for priority treatment, while reducing freezing, stuttering and other symptoms of lag. The Gaming Combo Card is a one card, one slot solution that is plug-and-play ready to give consumers a competitive online gaming edge.



























How much will this baby cost?
@ComeShot
"and while pricing remains up in the air, the outfit's CEO told us that buying the combo card would obviously be cheaper than buying each one on its own."
@ComeShot Given the price of the stand alone Killer NIC costs $100+, too damn much.
@ComeShot
It's not really about how much this one will cost.. It will cost too much. But when everyone else gets in the game, namely eVGA and XFX my two favorites then we have a ballgame ;)
I'd certainly spend an extra $30 or so adding in a "gaming nic" even if it didn't do anything LOL just good enough pricing for my epeen.
The company is called Bigfoot, but this card has a small footprint.
@Khalid Shahin
Can we just say dip dip dibble? This is insatiable! Some people know next to nothing of it.
You get something that is blatantly expensive.
throw wifi on that same card and im sold.
Good god... how many times does the myth of the "gaming NIC" have to be debunked before consumers stop buying into it? A GbE NIC is a GbE NIC. Bigfoot is selling snake oil.
@fflow
I used to believe as you did, until I saw reviews, where they put games to the test. It wasn't so much the better ping that intrigued me, it was the fact that FRAME RATES went up, since the networking stack was removed from the OS and moved to hardware. The same concept that frame rates go up when you have a dedicated video processor instead of your OS handling the video.
I also don't buy that it is a myth, with a decent NIC. Look at the reviews for the older Killer NIC cards. Most reviewers were SURPRISED at the results. They were not expecting a game performance increase, and like you, thought it was snake oil.
When you compare the NIC upgrade for 10-20% performance increase in games vs a new video card for about that... many times, the better money is spent on the NIC.
@fflow That would be true, if it were true.
@Rifter Take a look at one of the linked articles "Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 reviewed, 'completely destroys' on-board NICs". In the comments, the review gets torn to shreds by people who know what they're talking about.
@fflow i get 60FPS on all my games I play online.
anything higher then 60FPS is a waste unless your refresh rate supports it (and their are very few 120Hertz computer moniters)
your argument is void.
Gaming NICs = Snakeoil
Gaming ROUTERs on the other hand, give port based packet priority...on a shared network this is useful.
@fflow also if your computer is so crappy that your networking stack is effecting your FPS you just need a new computer.
@fflow
Understand your point, was curious if you ever really tried the Killer 2100 gaming network card or Xeno Pro? Have you read these 2 new reviews that talk about why this gaming network card is NOT as you note " GbE NIC is a GbE NIC"...It's really a difference of a DUMB NIC vs. Intelligent NIC...
Don’t take my word for it that the Killer 2100 gaming network card improves your latency and FPS for a faster and smoother game play, just see the benchmarks from 3rd party reviewers..there are 2 out now with BootDaily giving it a Bootworthy award and ThinkComputers giving it editors choice after they throughly tested and benchmarked the card in which shows the performance..
http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1488&Itemid=56
http://www.thinkcomputers.org/bigfoot-networks-killer-2100-gaming-network-card-review/6/
@tech3399 Gee, no, I sure haven't. I suspect from your post that you might, in fact, be working for Bigfoot in some capacity, so how about this...
Send me one for free and I'll be happy to run my own benchmarks on it.
@fflow
Happy to hear your happy to run your own benchmarks and try the Killer 2100 gaming network card...
I suspect that since you are reading this and engaged that your a tech enthusiast so know how easy it is to buy tech products and return them if not fully satisfied, I can't get you a card, sorry, but can promise you Newegg.com and others have return policies you can bank on...(:
What have you got to loose? Again I'm not asking you to take my word about it and understand if you want to be skeptical that is why I pointed out the Bootdaily.com 10 out of 10 score and ThinkComputers Editors Choice award on this Killer 2100...why waste time arguing with their #s?
Anways, hope you try it and look forward to your post once you actually experienced the product..
@fflow
The "Gaming NICs" (at least the Killer NIC) have hardware UDP acceleration. If your application makes heavy use of UDP, you'll have an improvement. If your application only uses TCP then you won't.
Most NICs do not have any kind of hardware acceleration.
So no, not all gigabit NICs are created equal.
I'm not getting the needs that this device meets. Who needs gigabit ethernet when the internet in our homes can barely exceed 50mbps? Wouldn't a video+audio card combo be more enticing to gamers?
I'm not poopooing the company or their efforts here, but I just don't see the point of their product.
Can we just say dip dip dibble? This is insatiable! Some people know next to nothing of it.
@Center ehternet has more uses then just the internet.....
A solution in search of a problem. Might as well buy some Monster ethernet cables to go with this.
in the first paragraph the companies name is listed a TLU, and its suppose to be TUL
@robbydobby
Engadget cannot be bothered with proofreading, they have to spend more time being awesomely cynic
I can see this being usefull if you dont have the room for both a network card and video card.
@majortom1981 Buy an ethernet card? Are you using a computer from 1981?
Oh great, more placebos from those idiots who make the Killer NIC cards.
So when I upgrade my GPU, I have to get rid of my $100 NIC as well? :(
When I game, i tend to turn off other programs that use bandwidth. So this helps me how exactly?
Why buy a $100 something NIC if you can just use your crappy onboard NIC and get a software that is low profile AND offers you ping advantages just as good as the Killer Nic...
cfosspeed that is... 15€ or something...
http://www.speedtest.net/result/833038772.png
I doubt it would help me.
@Timerider
It might not help you, but would it help me?
http://www.speedtest.net/result/835610682.png
(Serious question)
@Timerider Day-um that's a bad pipe. You can't even call it a pipe really. More like a straw.
@Kyle Krcmaric If it truly lowers ping times like people are saying here in the comments, it could help you get that ping below 100ms which really the point that gameplay noticeably suffers and becomes a major disadvantage.
I am not sure that lowering a ping time from 300ms to 200ms is going to do anything, nor am I sure that taking your ping from 20ms to 10ms is worth it either.
@autoexecbat 100ms would be quite noticible in fast paced games.
@Timerider
http://www.speedtest.net/result/835699849.png and people say rogers sucks.
@Timerider If it lowers your ping it will only lower it by up to the amount caused by your system (maybe 1-2ms?). It's not magic and cannot lower the ping of neither your network nor outside connection.
Their driver support is bloody awful and I speak from experience.
@Timerider well the thing is ping is related to how far you are from the server(among other things).
Oh and my results http://www.speedtest.net/result/835655400.png
I also suggest checking out their other site pingtest.net
@unseen what the hell ... so much for this being a reply, edit button would be nice.
I suppose this would be targeted toward "mid-level" gamers... since the "hardcore crowd" are prone to always buying and using the latest and fastest GPU.. and this card combo will always be like generation (at least) behind the latest cards... even if and updated version comes out.
I'm surprised someone like Asus or Creative haven't tried to approach ATI or NVidia about a combo GPU/Sound Card since most gamers have had to sacrifice (stop buying and using) sound cards in order to fit the huge multi-slot graphic cards that are made now, especially to get the SLI/Crossfire configuration. It seems to me that something like that could be a huge hit... but then again... you have to take into consideration the limited bandwidth... but it might be done with the new PCI-E 3.0 spec that's suppose to come out soon...
@SBMfromLA Now that I would be interested in. It wouldn't be suprising if ASUS releases something like that for a Xonar HD/AV refresh - think HDMI 1.4.
Soo...A year or so down the line when I need a GPU upgrade, I'd also have to throw out the Killer NIC I paid for? I'm going to go ahead and call this idea a stupid one.
@Nitesh You could buy another; in fact that is proberbly what they are banking on that you have to upgrade your perfectly working NIC in the process.
Does anyone know if this is active? What are the smal LED lights for? Also does anybody know if its a supported configuration for options?