@Edmunn Looks really nice if you ask me. What's more impressive IMO is the battery life with such a Hi-Res screen like this. Good job Apple, although you're not getting me away from my BB Tour (Yes, I am one of THOSE people)
@Edmunn I've always been a fan of high pixel density on laptops and phones. That feature just might win me over on this one. Can't wait to see one in person.
I honestly cant even see the difference, I dont know why all you are so excited...
All im seeing is a darker screen and more "glow" on icons, which are most likely different versions of the original 3gs icons.
Still though, I have always used my iPod touch at lowest brightness with a dark winterboard theme (A 1 A Premium), and I know this added darkness would at least save more battery, which is totally cool.
No, text and standard iPhone buttons, labels etc will be sharper, and any other graphics will be displayed at the same size, the screen isn't any larger.
@Edmunn It might just be me but towards the end of the video I can actually see the difference in pixel size between the two screens (flickering rainbow coloured bands). Its amazing.
@tklr08 They shouldn't. Since the resolution is doubled each way, there are 4x as many pixels. Now, one pixel on an old iPhone = 4 pixels on the new one. So it should look exactly the same for older apps.
@tklr08 No, if you were paying attention at all, old apps will automatically be rewritten to match this new density. Wow reading must really be a chore these days.
@Technologeee Basically the new iPhone now has a pixel density that will make it look as good as every other phone out there on the market today. This is a catch up, not a leap beyond. Only a leap beyond if coming from a previous iPhone, as my Droid has an excellent pixel density and I can't see pixels either. Not quite as good as the iPhone 4 but as Steve Jobs said himself from the stage, the pixel density is better than the human eye can discern on such a small screen. Which sounds impressive, but one should note that the flat screen 1080p TV set many have at home, from a distance of 6-8ft also has a pixel density greater than the human eye can discern. This is a bit of a marketing ploy.
@seanGadget So how does one "automatically" rewrite old apps to magically increase the resolution of a bitmap? We're not talking about vector graphics here where a simple mathematical formula can be applied. Ho do we get images with their existing resolutions to scale?
@Bobbo Bingo. Not to mention they needed a resolution to support their existing resolution dimensions and scale as best as possible. This limits fragmentation a bit, but they threw in the gyroscope and much faster CPU so that splits it up again. If they'd have gone for some sort of 16x9/16x10 type of screen dimension, they might have had me interested. Briefly.
Pixel amount, not density affects the battery life.
LCD displays need refreshing, and the more pixels there are the more power you will need. Also with more pixels the display gets dimmer, and will need more backlighting which will eat batteries.
@tklr08 no, its double the pixels in both directions (horiz and vert) so 1 pixel on the old phone will be 4 pixels on the new one, but be the exact same size
That's spot on. Under a microscope you can see the difference. The question is usability for common tasks. I have yet to see anyone complain about a phones resolution when it is 800 x 480.
So...looking at those pics, I'm assuming the Android phone is the Evo. Where in the iPhone 4 vs. Evo pic does the Evo look inferior? I'm not seeing it.
@Bobbo lmao can u not read???? ur droid is a pile of dookie compared to the iPhone 4... ur droid I beileve has 800x480 which isn't as good as the new iPhone and the screen on the iPhone 4 would break ur droids leg.. lol have fun with that droid too with it's wimpy lil processor
@lerxst they aren't rewritten, just automatically scaled up. Since since the screen size is the same as the old phone, the apps would look the same as they did on the lo-res phone.
@tklr08 no it means the apps will look better obviously.. the older screen had no anti-aliasing, so text looked blurry. Now its going to be crystal clear.
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Might pixel density!
@Edmunn
Looks really nice if you ask me. What's more impressive IMO is the battery life with such a Hi-Res screen like this. Good job Apple, although you're not getting me away from my BB Tour (Yes, I am one of THOSE people)
@Edmunn I've always been a fan of high pixel density on laptops and phones. That feature just might win me over on this one. Can't wait to see one in person.
@Edmunn
i am impressed, but just one serious question, who needs that kind of pixel density? seems like overkill to me.
@Edmunn
Does this mean the old iPhone apps are going to look like crap on the new screen since the resolution has been upped?
@Edmunn
mighty*
@Paul Chapel
Paul Miller needs pixel density!
@Paul Chapel There can never be too many Pixels. As for the video calling...http://twitpic.com/1uuyjw
@Edmunn
I honestly cant even see the difference, I dont know why all you are so excited...
All im seeing is a darker screen and more "glow" on icons, which are most likely different versions of the original 3gs icons.
Still though, I have always used my iPod touch at lowest brightness with a dark winterboard theme (A 1 A Premium), and I know this added darkness would at least save more battery, which is totally cool.
No, text and standard iPhone buttons, labels etc will be sharper, and any other graphics will be displayed at the same size, the screen isn't any larger.
@Edmunn
It might just be me but towards the end of the video I can actually see the difference in pixel size between the two screens (flickering rainbow coloured bands). Its amazing.
@Paul Chapel That much pixel density puts it very close to print quality. It's much easier on your eyes to read.
@tklr08 iPhone semi-HD apps, coming to an App store near you.
@tklr08 Probably look exactly the same since the screen is the same size.
@Paul Chapel
are you kidding me??? who wouldn't want a higher res screen for better picture quality?? IMO, a very ignorant statement...
@tklr08
They shouldn't. Since the resolution is doubled each way, there are 4x as many pixels. Now, one pixel on an old iPhone = 4 pixels on the new one. So it should look exactly the same for older apps.
@Edmunn If you need a retina display to see the difference, you've already failed.
@thecreative Is the difference between the evo and the iphone4 noticeable as you would normally hold a phone?
I can't see individual pixels on my droid unless I hold it really close to my face and it isn't anywhere near the DPI of this new display.
@Lord Vader God knows how you Photoshop so fast... the dark side is with you.
@tklr08 -- "Does this mean the old iPhone apps are going to look like crap on the new screen since the resolution has been upped?"
The old iPhone resolution was 480x320... iPhone 4 is 960x640
It's exactly double... or quad depending on how you look at it. That's no accident... it's so old apps can easily be uprezzed to fit.
Text will have no problem with scaling up... it's all built into the API.
However, bitmapped graphics will have to be recreated... but you know how good iPhone app developers are with releasing updates.
@tklr08
No, if you were paying attention at all, old apps will automatically be rewritten to match this new density. Wow reading must really be a chore these days.
@Michael Scrip
That makes sense. I can imagine the graphics looking the same on every app, defeating the purpose of this new screen.
@Technologeee
Basically the new iPhone now has a pixel density that will make it look as good as every other phone out there on the market today. This is a catch up, not a leap beyond. Only a leap beyond if coming from a previous iPhone, as my Droid has an excellent pixel density and I can't see pixels either. Not quite as good as the iPhone 4 but as Steve Jobs said himself from the stage, the pixel density is better than the human eye can discern on such a small screen. Which sounds impressive, but one should note that the flat screen 1080p TV set many have at home, from a distance of 6-8ft also has a pixel density greater than the human eye can discern. This is a bit of a marketing ploy.
@seanGadget
That's not even on this post, Go troll elsewhere. Is there really a need to be an asshole online? Let me answer this for you...
NO, there isn't.
@Edmunn
Beautiful screen, but it still doesn't win me over like the EVO 4G did.
@Edmunn
You know, my old Xperia X1 got 311dpi... this 'Retina Display' is just marketing bullshit... just sayin'
@Lord Vader Video calling was not made for faces like that
@seanGadget So how does one "automatically" rewrite old apps to magically increase the resolution of a bitmap? We're not talking about vector graphics here where a simple mathematical formula can be applied. Ho do we get images with their existing resolutions to scale?
@VSpike915 Battery life isn't really related to pixel density.
@Edmunn
Ha! I can still see pixels!
No wait, that's my own screen's pixels.
This just in:
More pixels = better resolution.
Thanks, engadget! What would I do without you!
@Edmunn I can't wait for this technology to make its way to a mac near me!
@Bobbo Bingo. Not to mention they needed a resolution to support their existing resolution dimensions and scale as best as possible. This limits fragmentation a bit, but they threw in the gyroscope and much faster CPU so that splits it up again. If they'd have gone for some sort of 16x9/16x10 type of screen dimension, they might have had me interested. Briefly.
@petebob796
Pixel amount, not density affects the battery life.
LCD displays need refreshing, and the more pixels there are the more power you will need. Also with more pixels the display gets dimmer, and will need more backlighting which will eat batteries.
@tklr08 no, its double the pixels in both directions (horiz and vert) so 1 pixel on the old phone will be 4 pixels on the new one, but be the exact same size
@TMoney2007
That's spot on. Under a microscope you can see the difference. The question is usability for common tasks. I have yet to see anyone complain about a phones resolution when it is 800 x 480.
@Edmunn
So...looking at those pics, I'm assuming the Android phone is the Evo. Where in the iPhone 4 vs. Evo pic does the Evo look inferior? I'm not seeing it.
@shellshock
Yeah, lower ppi because it has lower resolution on a smaller screen. Should anybody be impressed by that?
@MBN
Buy now, look when you get it :P
@Bobbo lmao can u not read???? ur droid is a pile of dookie compared to the iPhone 4... ur droid I beileve has 800x480 which isn't as good as the new iPhone and the screen on the iPhone 4 would break ur droids leg.. lol have fun with that droid too with it's wimpy lil processor
@bjsguess not yet
@Edmunn Are the pixels real pixel or fake ones like on the Nexus One? (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/)
@lerxst its done with magic la la la
@lerxst they aren't rewritten, just automatically scaled up. Since since the screen size is the same as the old phone, the apps would look the same as they did on the lo-res phone.
@tklr08 no it means the apps will look better obviously.. the older screen had no anti-aliasing, so text looked blurry. Now its going to be crystal clear.
@Edmunn if you need a microscope to differ it from other ones(not the old iphone the 800*480 4" standard) then blew it!
@Edmunn: yes, but no physical keyboard. Maybe in iPhone 5?
@Edmunn
I wonder if they turned off anti-aliasing, which would speed up graphics performance. At that pixel density, anti-aliasing really isn't necessary.
@RynoB11 Exactly. If it was on his (insert phone of choice here), he(and other naysayers) would be shouting from them thar hills!
@tklr08
no, theyre probably shown in original size, thatd be about a fourth, like on the ipad u know?