i really hate the custom skins like sense and blu.. if all phones just used the stock android os it would be a possibility of all phones just updating to froyo ota when they released it
@deadaim Thats not entirely true..... Its more than just porting over the skin. Its porting over all the system stuff ("drivers", more kernal stuff and other Linux related things, but lets just say "drivers"). And there big fat companies so they move slow, but they throughly test software before releasing it..... Which is good, we don't want another iPad incident..... :)
Exactly. With Gingerbread, Google is trying to move away from their initial mistake..encouraging handset makers to create their own skins...which slows down release adoption tremendously. HTC takes between 6 months to infinity to create a new release...mostly because of Sense UI....it's not worth it.
@deadaim I hate the idea of custom skins, cause of fragmentation and google can't deal with it as easily, but I hate stock android, and blur, but sense is ok...I personally love my iPod touch much better
@deadaim i actually like sense i know it means i have to wait longer for updates but i dont mind. I do see your point though it would be awesome to get updates day one like the nexus one but i can wait
@Jean Marc - The Nexus One still hasn't gotten an update, now approaching 4 weeks since Google I/O. It *sounds* like the new Droid will have 2.2, and a cluster of other phones will get it very shortly, so the Nexus One has barely any lead.
To the core point, however, if you don't want one of the custom skins, don't buy a phone with one of the custom skins. It's called consumer choice. Factor it in and stop pretending that the Android platform is a pseudo-iPhone, because it isn't and shouldn't be. If these vendors couldn't differentiate they would never have entered the Android market and right now the iPhone would own the market (which is a point that Engadget remarkably fails to get)
@deadaim Starting with Gingerbread it's going to be easier for HTC and others do implement their own UIs with more of the key services decoupled from the OS. I think by the time we get to the release after Gingerbread (the release after that at most) we'll start seeing phones with sense get updated to a new version about a month after it officially releases.
Hence why most N1 users are running the beta 2.2 android...was pretty easy to do...download ROM, boot in recovery mode, install ROM and done.
Even did validation checks on the current and new ROM besides while I am not going to root my phone, most freedom comes from rooting your phone then you can stick whatever ROM you want on there.
thats exactly the problem.. it should be the other way around.. keep everything stock for most users.. create a streamlined approach and a real OS.. not some linux kernel or whatever with a hundred diffrent fragmented adaptions.. the users that want tons of customizing will be rooting their phone anyhow.. why is it that the users that want the stock android have to be the ones to root their phones? all it does is end up where almost every is rooting their phones and a large percentage of them dont want to.
and forbes, it doesnt have to be iphone esque.. but you state your opinion like its fact or something.. being like the iphone isnt going to hinder android sales at all.. it might piss off a few hardcore techies but that isnt whats fueling android.. you have to win the average consumer you cant just please a niche
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i really hate the custom skins like sense and blu.. if all phones just used the stock android os it would be a possibility of all phones just updating to froyo ota when they released it
@deadaim
Thats not entirely true.....
Its more than just porting over the skin. Its porting over all the system stuff ("drivers", more kernal stuff and other Linux related things, but lets just say "drivers").
And there big fat companies so they move slow, but they throughly test software before releasing it..... Which is good, we don't want another iPad incident..... :)
@deadaim
Exactly. With Gingerbread, Google is trying to move away from their initial mistake..encouraging handset makers to create their own skins...which slows down release adoption tremendously. HTC takes between 6 months to infinity to create a new release...mostly because of Sense UI....it's not worth it.
@deadaim I hate the idea of custom skins, cause of fragmentation and google can't deal with it as easily, but I hate stock android, and blur, but sense is ok...I personally love my iPod touch much better
@deadaim i actually like sense i know it means i have to wait longer for updates but i dont mind. I do see your point though it would be awesome to get updates day one like the nexus one but i can wait
@Jean Marc - The Nexus One still hasn't gotten an update, now approaching 4 weeks since Google I/O. It *sounds* like the new Droid will have 2.2, and a cluster of other phones will get it very shortly, so the Nexus One has barely any lead.
To the core point, however, if you don't want one of the custom skins, don't buy a phone with one of the custom skins. It's called consumer choice. Factor it in and stop pretending that the Android platform is a pseudo-iPhone, because it isn't and shouldn't be. If these vendors couldn't differentiate they would never have entered the Android market and right now the iPhone would own the market (which is a point that Engadget remarkably fails to get)
@deadaim Starting with Gingerbread it's going to be easier for HTC and others do implement their own UIs with more of the key services decoupled from the OS. I think by the time we get to the release after Gingerbread (the release after that at most) we'll start seeing phones with sense get updated to a new version about a month after it officially releases.
@dforbes
Hence why most N1 users are running the beta 2.2 android...was pretty easy to do...download ROM, boot in recovery mode, install ROM and done.
Even did validation checks on the current and new ROM besides while I am not going to root my phone, most freedom comes from rooting your phone then you can stick whatever ROM you want on there.
@Warzone
thats exactly the problem.. it should be the other way around.. keep everything stock for most users.. create a streamlined approach and a real OS.. not some linux kernel or whatever with a hundred diffrent fragmented adaptions.. the users that want tons of customizing will be rooting their phone anyhow.. why is it that the users that want the stock android have to be the ones to root their phones? all it does is end up where almost every is rooting their phones and a large percentage of them dont want to.
and forbes, it doesnt have to be iphone esque.. but you state your opinion like its fact or something.. being like the iphone isnt going to hinder android sales at all.. it might piss off a few hardcore techies but that isnt whats fueling android.. you have to win the average consumer you cant just please a niche