I don't understand Engadget's obsession with defending Apple and pointing out that all antennas and phones experience troubles when you touch with your hand. We all know that on paper, antennas and hands behave one way, but phone design is partly about usability. There hasn't been a phone where you could drop your voice or data connection by touching it in a comfortable "cup" manner, and if there was, it deserves the criticism the iPhone is getting, too.
Stop defending it and making it seem like this is ok and normal. This is not ok and this is not normal.
@Chris Ziegler I believe he is referring to "...Thing is, hands have never really gotten along with phone antennas -- see the shot of a Nokia user's manual explaining this phenomenon after the break..."
now if it was really defending apple or not... who can say... this is the comments section of engadget - all you get here is stressed out fanboys of something or the other - heaping insults at the other side!
@JONNNathannn "I don't understand Engadget's obsession with defending Apple and pointing out that all antennas and phones experience troubles when you touch with your hand…"
@JONNNathannn Engadget just wont stop glorifying or promoting apple! Whats the matter with you people? Why would you want to defend flaws of a device that someone would buy from there hard earned cash, and later regret it just cause Engadget made that defect look minor n covered it up!!!
@JONNNathannn See what hapened to gizmodo bloggers? They lost some pounds since the lost of the iphone4 prototype. Now they're working hard to experience again that sweet taste of Apple pie.
Actually the Nokia Manual doesnt say anything about the signal getting degraded ... just battery life getting less due to more power output, since their antennas are INSIDE the phone... Unlike Apple who , put their antenna outside , will experience reception degradation AND battery degradation due to poor cellular signal!!!!
I don't see Engadget defending Apple here at all. All I see is them reporting about Nokia's dig on Apple. Apple is now the butt of all other handset manufacturer's jokes, as it pertains to ridiculous and stupid design decisions that end up being detrimental, while defending said decisions to the end and passing the blame on to the user.
Yes, they show a Nokia manual talking about how your hand can attenuate the signal, but nowhere does it say that the signal can be completely lost as it does on the iPhone.
--"Thing is, hands have never really gotten along with phone antennas " (emphasis on never).
...so it begs the question: Why develop a phone that you HOLD using the antenna? Seems like a decision based on aesthetics rather than engineering. Is this what Apple has been reduced to, form over function? ;p
God, can't stand how Engadget bloggers are such a steaming pile of Apple fanboys. I'm left-handed, and never had to readjust how I hold my cheap, aging RAZR V3m phone.
And even the Nokia manual isn't talking about the same thing. Some signal loss or the phone using more battery power to keep the signal because of how you hold it isn't in question. COMPLETELY losing the signal because of how you're holding it is a problem of a different magnitude entirely.
@JONNNathannn: I picked up my iPhone 4 on Thursday, and guess what, I don't have any issues with making or receiving calls. Now, you can go back to your Nokia. And we all know what a usable product Nokia is selling these days.
@Steven Yeah, we know, it's obvious, but my Nokia phone is made so that I don't touch the antenna under regular use. As simple as location. If I cover the plastic antenna with my hands,the signal will start to drop; common sense :|
@Steven The Nokia post, the fact that they actually ship phones with instruction on how to hold them, the number of videos that show the exact same behaviour on their phones and idiotic "haha" comments by hateboys on Engadget is the definition of selfpwnage. *laughs*
@Tsing Tao Nice catch... I can reproduce signal loss on an E72... but I have to put it in an unreasonable death grip: laying my hand flat against the back plate and wrapping my fingers around the metal trim on both sides... but low and behold... loss of wifi and cellular by 50%
I was actually waiting for this article to show up. Josh posted a tweet on 6/25 with this image from a Nokia 6126 users manual. A phone that is over 4 years old.
Apple is getting flack (and rightfully so) because they touted this new antenna as a feature. Engadget, just own up and admit Apple missed the boat on this one.
Myopic pile of stupid, you. Just because you are not experiencing difficulties ( with your phone ) does not negate the supreme fail that making a phone that wont make calls is. For the large numbers of people that are affected. You can get your panties all jumbled as much as you like, but Nokia phones I have owned have had significantly better reception than any Iphone so far. Since you are all about using one observation as the general rule, this should prove to you the superiority of those devices, in this area. Now go download some bookmarks so you have some more colorful icons to add to you homescreen.
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Haha.
@Steven
I must be too young to get the whole sidetalkin' thing...
@Steven
What ever happened to putting antennas at the top of phones? Radio signals go up.... RIGHT??
@Plazmic Flame The FCC has told manufacturers they can no longer put the antenna at the top. Brain cancer or something.
@Steven
Oh snap! lol!
@Plazmic Flame
Are you sure you are not talking about hot air?
@Steven i actually almost bought ngage .
I don't understand Engadget's obsession with defending Apple and pointing out that all antennas and phones experience troubles when you touch with your hand. We all know that on paper, antennas and hands behave one way, but phone design is partly about usability. There hasn't been a phone where you could drop your voice or data connection by touching it in a comfortable "cup" manner, and if there was, it deserves the criticism the iPhone is getting, too.
Stop defending it and making it seem like this is ok and normal. This is not ok and this is not normal.
@Steven Oops! Apple's gonna be mad haha
@JONNNathannn How in the world are we defending Apple here? I mean, seriously -- calm down.
@Chris Ziegler
I believe he is referring to
"...Thing is, hands have never really gotten along with phone antennas -- see the shot of a Nokia user's manual explaining this phenomenon after the break..."
now if it was really defending apple or not... who can say... this is the comments section of engadget - all you get here is stressed out fanboys of something or the other - heaping insults at the other side!
@Steven
"realistically, you're free to hold your Nokia device any way you like... and you won't suffer any signal loss."
Ouch. Apple's gonna feel that one in the morning.
@Engadget I find your lack of Apple bias disturbing *sarcasm
@JONNNathannn
"I don't understand Engadget's obsession with defending Apple and pointing out that all antennas and phones experience troubles when you touch with your hand…"
Because Engadget bloggers need to eat man. :)
@Steven
"hands have never really gotten along with phone antennas"
Wow, you may know more than Apple engineers.
@Why should I have all the fun
I don't think is going to care ....
@Chris Ziegler You are not defending Apple. ROTFL
@Plazmic Flame look up the word omnidirectional
@JONNNathannn http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/hey-apple-youre-holding-it-wrong/
I think you missed that one...
@JONNNathannn
Engadget just wont stop glorifying or promoting apple!
Whats the matter with you people? Why would you want to defend flaws of a device that someone would buy from there hard earned cash, and later regret it just cause Engadget made that defect look minor n covered it up!!!
@JONNNathannn See what hapened to gizmodo bloggers? They lost some pounds since the lost of the iphone4 prototype. Now they're working hard to experience again that sweet taste of Apple pie.
@Plazmic Flame
just hoping that's sarcasm. radio signals go up. :D good for a chuckle though.
@JONNNathannn
It's normal to hold your phone like you are missing your thumb, index finger, and pinky. It's simple logic to do this.
@Steven
Actually the Nokia Manual doesnt say anything about the signal getting degraded ... just battery life getting less due to more power output, since their antennas are INSIDE the phone... Unlike Apple who , put their antenna outside , will experience reception degradation AND battery degradation due to poor cellular signal!!!!
@JONNNathannn did you forget nexus one ??
@Plazmic Flame
Generally discontinued in an attempt to take the radio waves away from the top of your noggin, where the brain usually resides.
@Why should I have all the fun
Apple sure felt it. They felt so bad they announced 1.7 million phones sold over the weekend. Ouch.
@Chris Ziegler
I just shed a tear for you.
It looks always like this: hehe Apple haha... But
@Why should I have all the fun
Apple sure felt it. They felt so bad they announced 1.7 million phones sold over the weekend. Ouch.
/s
@Why should I have all the fun
@Why should I have all the fun
Apple sure felt it. They felt so bad they announced 1.7 million phones sold over the weekend. Ouch.
/s
@JONNNathannn
I don't see Engadget defending Apple here at all. All I see is them reporting about Nokia's dig on Apple.
Apple is now the butt of all other handset manufacturer's jokes, as it pertains to ridiculous and stupid design decisions that end up being detrimental, while defending said decisions to the end and passing the blame on to the user.
Yes, they show a Nokia manual talking about how your hand can attenuate the signal, but nowhere does it say that the signal can be completely lost as it does on the iPhone.
@tikigawd
"Generally discontinued in an attempt to take the radio waves away from the top of your noggin, where the brain usually resides."
Where it USUALLY resides? Lucky for those who have their brains in their pants you mean? lol
@Steven
--"Thing is, hands have never really gotten along with phone antennas " (emphasis on never).
...so it begs the question: Why develop a phone that you HOLD using the antenna? Seems like a decision based on aesthetics rather than engineering. Is this what Apple has been reduced to, form over function? ;p
@tklr08 I have the iPhone 4 and have no problem holding the phone the way I normally do
@Chris Ziegler
You are!!
@Plazmic Flame I'm no physicist nor do I play one on tv but I'm pretty sure radio signals travel all directions.
God, can't stand how Engadget bloggers are such a steaming pile of Apple fanboys. I'm left-handed, and never had to readjust how I hold my cheap, aging RAZR V3m phone.
And even the Nokia manual isn't talking about the same thing. Some signal loss or the phone using more battery power to keep the signal because of how you hold it isn't in question. COMPLETELY losing the signal because of how you're holding it is a problem of a different magnitude entirely.
@JONNNathannn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk
Really there hasnt?
@JONNNathannn: I picked up my iPhone 4 on Thursday, and guess what, I don't have any issues with making or receiving calls. Now, you can go back to your Nokia. And we all know what a usable product Nokia is selling these days.
Fail.
@Ariel Bender
Yeah. Ones that make phone calls.
@Plazmic Flame
No, they don't actually.
@Why should I have all the fun
Yes.
...at least it appears to be going that way. But that's what consumers want, right?
@Steven
Too bad I don't want to hold their POS phones at all!
@Steven
Yeah, we know, it's obvious, but my Nokia phone is made so that I don't touch the antenna under regular use. As simple as location. If I cover the plastic antenna with my hands,the signal will start to drop; common sense :|
@Why should I have all the fun i hope you forgot your /s cause if not im not, you should take a look at anything apple has made in the last 5 years.
@Steven The Nokia post, the fact that they actually ship phones with instruction on how to hold them, the number of videos that show the exact same behaviour on their phones and idiotic "haha" comments by hateboys on Engadget is the definition of selfpwnage. *laughs*
@Tsing Tao
Nice catch... I can reproduce signal loss on an E72... but I have to put it in an unreasonable death grip: laying my hand flat against the back plate and wrapping my fingers around the metal trim on both sides... but low and behold... loss of wifi and cellular by 50%
@JONNNathannn
I was actually waiting for this article to show up. Josh posted a tweet on 6/25 with this image from a Nokia 6126 users manual. A phone that is over 4 years old.
Apple is getting flack (and rightfully so) because they touted this new antenna as a feature. Engadget, just own up and admit Apple missed the boat on this one.
@Steven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk
haha
pot meet kettle
haha
@Ariel Bender
Myopic pile of stupid, you. Just because you are not experiencing difficulties ( with your phone ) does not negate the supreme fail that making a phone that wont make calls is. For the large numbers of people that are affected. You can get your panties all jumbled as much as you like, but Nokia phones I have owned have had significantly better reception than any Iphone so far. Since you are all about using one observation as the general rule, this should prove to you the superiority of those devices, in this area. Now go download some bookmarks so you have some more colorful icons to add to you homescreen.