Wow, pre-installed with Sims 3 and Avatar. Are they that desperate to sell the phone? Seems like they're not confident they can sell this phone so they have to piggyback with other IPs (just like bundling the HD2 with Transformers 2). Whatever happened to allowing the phone to stand on its own?
@pika2000 It could still be a great phone. Partnership deals aren't necessarily going to hurt phone sales. Extra bonuses are always a plus. I think the American consumer expects more than just a phone; we love the freebies.
@pika2000 first thing i did when i bought the HD2 was remove both transformers movies... that phone still stands on its own heads above the competition (including the iPhone 4)
@SteveyAyo Whether you removed the movie or not, doesn't change the fact that T-Mobile is piggybacking the Transformers IP to try selling the HD2. Obviously T-Mobile thought that the phone couldn't stand on its own.
@Wiizer So, you agree that selling this phone only by the spec and Android is not enough. Figures. So much for the fanboys bragging how "good" this phone is as obviously T-Mobile doesn't think so.
@pika2000 or they want you to be able to experience the worlds greatest phone display out of the box without having to transfer a movie on to it... think with your head not your iPhone
Partnership deals are an important aspect of marketing. It's always nice to get something a little bit extra with your purchase. It gives your purchase value and also helps to define the product to your market when the market is flooded with competing products.
There's also something to be said for being able to pull out a new product from packaging then having a ready sample for your new gadget to take advantage of before you get home, do setup and such. Instant stickiness. Smart Marketing.
@Wiizer Sounds like you're the troll here, doing personal attack instead of sticking with the topic. Regardless of what you said, fact is T-Mobile is selling this phone with those IPs attached (Sims 3 and Avatar). Obviously T-Mobile thinks they need these to be able to sell the phones. They didn't do that with the G1, myTouch 3G/Slide (other than the Fender edition) nor the moto cliq.
@ounkeo So you do agree that T-Mobile saw that they need to bundle in something with this phone, marketing or not, to sell the phone. That's my whole point. The fanboys sure are in denial.
@SteveyAyo Again troll, care to put better comments instead of doing personal attacks? All you're saying is that you agree with my point, that T-Mobile fells the need to do this freebies to sell the phone.
@pika2000 why are you so anti being able to experience the amazingness of that beautiful screen the secong you take the phone out of the box? i mean did it bug you that apple set up a hotline for losers with no friends to facetime with? (over wifi of course) seems like they didnt think the tech could stand on its own so they had puppets answering calls OR they were marketing their product ... troll
@SteveyAyo Here we go again with the personal attacks. Did you read my comments? I never said I agree or disagree with T-Mobile's decision. All I did was pointing out the fact that T-Mobile did this, and it's clear that T-Mobile thought the phone won't be able to sell on its own.
But hey, seems like you're an Apple fanboy/troll in denial, feeling the need to mention Apple, iPhone, and their services in a thread about T-Mobile/Samsung.
@pika2000 you are clearly saying you dont think this phone is good, and hiding behind your bullshit "assessment" of how T-Mobile feels about this phone... Companies like to add in things for people to sell products, and people love free stuff, why not throw your hat in with the best selling movie ever? (despite it sucking) seems like its a win win and T-Mobile NEEDS some wins in america
@pika2000 Windows Mobile has the 3rd largest market share in the U.S. and yet you think T-Mobile had second thoughts about selling the phone which at the time of release had the fastest processor and the most ram of any phone built on planet earth? Your fail sir, not T-Mobile.
@rhomaion Your statement doesn't change the fact that T-Mobile used Transformers on their ads to sell the HD2. Are you saying that didn't happen? That all the ads of HD2 with Transformers 2 didn't exist?
@pika2000 "All you're saying is that you agree with my point, that T-Mobile fells the need to do this freebies to sell the phone." "So you do agree that T-Mobile saw that they need to bundle in something with this phone, marketing or not, to sell the phone. That's my whole point." "it's clear that T-Mobile thought the phone won't be able to sell on its own." "Obviously T-Mobile thinks they need these to be able to sell the phones." "So much for the fanboys bragging how "good" this phone is as obviously T-Mobile doesn't think so."
Great examples of YOU hiding your own ignorant opinion of the phone behind bullshit assessments of a pretty straight forward marketing technique... its pretty clear you only came here to troll on this phone and tell everyone it sucks without directly saying it... you got your fight now go troll somewhere else, thanks
@SteveyAyo Sorry, but where in those quotes did I say the phone is not good? sounds like you have a twisted comprehension. Again Apple fanboy, go troll somewhere else.
@pika2000 lol apple fanboy? thats a first but seriously youre posting a personal opinion of why TMobile would offer a movie with a phone and pretending like its a factual assessment... YOU dont think this phone will succeed and have made that very obvious... along with your ignorance, both crystal clear at this point
@SteveyAyo I doesn't really matter what I think actually, but thank you for returning back again and again entertaining my posts. Fact remains that T-Mobile bundles these IPs with the phone. People already pointed out that it's marketing. What's the point of marketing? To sell the product. Are you saying T-Mobile is bundling these IPs for no reason without the intention to sell the product?
@pika2000 why are you saying its wrong to market a phone to sell it? youre saying that by marketing a phone it means that they think its a failure and cant sell... so that means every single thing on this planet that has been marketed was done so because the people selling them thought it was shit and were afraid it wouldnt sell? are you beginning to see the stupidity of your argument here? its the reason you are living in oblivion
@SteveyAyo "why are you saying its wrong to market a phone to sell it?" Where did I say that? I never say it's wrong to market a phone. There are a lot of ways to market a product. T-Mobile chose to partner with these 2 IPs (Sims and Avatar) for their marketing. For comparison, look at Sprint's Evo marketing, and look at Verizon's. Sure, they licensed the Droid name, but they focus on Android's capabilities on their ads and nothing on their marketing resemble anything related to Star Wars other than the Droid brand.
"youre saying that by marketing a phone it means that they think its a failure and cant sell" Again, you and your twisted comprehension. Nobody's thinking or saying the Galaxy S is a failure. See above.
"are you beginning to see the stupidity of your argument here? its the reason you are living in oblivion" Hey, I'm not the one who keeps coming back and entertain my comments. I'm the only one that get emails when somebody replies, not you. So you're probably refreshing this thread again and again to see if there's a new response. Who's living in oblivion? LOL.
@pika2000 'Cmon guys, Pika's got a point... I mean, how can Tmo give this phone away for $200?! I can't believe they'd have to lower the price of the phone so some outrageous "promotional" price just to offload it. It's obvious they think it's a piece of $200 junk. And letting you try it out in the store before you buy? It's like they expect this phone to just be a huge failure on it's own, without any added frills.
I also heard it comes with the android market... hmph! If this phone was so awesome Tmo wouldn't have to push this into the print. So give Pika a break, Tmo doesn't believe in their phone because they decided to put Android on it in order to sell it...
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Wow, pre-installed with Sims 3 and Avatar. Are they that desperate to sell the phone? Seems like they're not confident they can sell this phone so they have to piggyback with other IPs (just like bundling the HD2 with Transformers 2). Whatever happened to allowing the phone to stand on its own?
@pika2000
Really?... You're really going to complain about free swag with every phone purchase?
In this case, you should be lucky! I hear some phones require you to buy $30 bumpers before you can even make a call on them!
@pika2000 It could still be a great phone. Partnership deals aren't necessarily going to hurt phone sales. Extra bonuses are always a plus. I think the American consumer expects more than just a phone; we love the freebies.
@pika2000 first thing i did when i bought the HD2 was remove both transformers movies... that phone still stands on its own heads above the competition (including the iPhone 4)
@SteveyAyo Whether you removed the movie or not, doesn't change the fact that T-Mobile is piggybacking the Transformers IP to try selling the HD2. Obviously T-Mobile thought that the phone couldn't stand on its own.
@pika2000
Used to being deprived of things all your life, pika? Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!
That, or you could just be trollin'. Sounds more plausible than being stupid enough to think free movies sell $200 phones with contracts attached...
@Wiizer So, you agree that selling this phone only by the spec and Android is not enough. Figures. So much for the fanboys bragging how "good" this phone is as obviously T-Mobile doesn't think so.
@pika2000 or they thought like most people do... free stuff = cool you apparently hate getting stuff for free and thats fine... i guess
@pika2000 or they want you to be able to experience the worlds greatest phone display out of the box without having to transfer a movie on to it... think with your head not your iPhone
@pika2000
Partnership deals are an important aspect of marketing. It's always nice to get something a little bit extra with your purchase. It gives your purchase value and also helps to define the product to your market when the market is flooded with competing products.
There's also something to be said for being able to pull out a new product from packaging then having a ready sample for your new gadget to take advantage of before you get home, do setup and such. Instant stickiness. Smart Marketing.
@Wiizer Sounds like you're the troll here, doing personal attack instead of sticking with the topic. Regardless of what you said, fact is T-Mobile is selling this phone with those IPs attached (Sims 3 and Avatar). Obviously T-Mobile thinks they need these to be able to sell the phones. They didn't do that with the G1, myTouch 3G/Slide (other than the Fender edition) nor the moto cliq.
@ounkeo So you do agree that T-Mobile saw that they need to bundle in something with this phone, marketing or not, to sell the phone. That's my whole point. The fanboys sure are in denial.
@SteveyAyo Again troll, care to put better comments instead of doing personal attacks? All you're saying is that you agree with my point, that T-Mobile fells the need to do this freebies to sell the phone.
@pika2000 why are you so anti being able to experience the amazingness of that beautiful screen the secong you take the phone out of the box? i mean did it bug you that apple set up a hotline for losers with no friends to facetime with? (over wifi of course) seems like they didnt think the tech could stand on its own so they had puppets answering calls OR they were marketing their product ... troll
@pika2000 personal attack? youre a moron, thats a statement of fact AND personal attack... happy?
@SteveyAyo Here we go again with the personal attacks. Did you read my comments? I never said I agree or disagree with T-Mobile's decision. All I did was pointing out the fact that T-Mobile did this, and it's clear that T-Mobile thought the phone won't be able to sell on its own.
But hey, seems like you're an Apple fanboy/troll in denial, feeling the need to mention Apple, iPhone, and their services in a thread about T-Mobile/Samsung.
@pika2000 you are clearly saying you dont think this phone is good, and hiding behind your bullshit "assessment" of how T-Mobile feels about this phone... Companies like to add in things for people to sell products, and people love free stuff, why not throw your hat in with the best selling movie ever? (despite it sucking) seems like its a win win and T-Mobile NEEDS some wins in america
@SteveyAyo
"you are clearly saying you dont think this phone is good"
Where did I say that? Proof it to me.
@pika2000 Windows Mobile has the 3rd largest market share in the U.S. and yet you think T-Mobile had second thoughts about selling the phone which at the time of release had the fastest processor and the most ram of any phone built on planet earth? Your fail sir, not T-Mobile.
@rhomaion
Your statement doesn't change the fact that T-Mobile used Transformers on their ads to sell the HD2. Are you saying that didn't happen? That all the ads of HD2 with Transformers 2 didn't exist?
@pika2000
"All you're saying is that you agree with my point, that T-Mobile fells the need to do this freebies to sell the phone."
"So you do agree that T-Mobile saw that they need to bundle in something with this phone, marketing or not, to sell the phone. That's my whole point."
"it's clear that T-Mobile thought the phone won't be able to sell on its own."
"Obviously T-Mobile thinks they need these to be able to sell the phones."
"So much for the fanboys bragging how "good" this phone is as obviously T-Mobile doesn't think so."
Great examples of YOU hiding your own ignorant opinion of the phone behind bullshit assessments of a pretty straight forward marketing technique... its pretty clear you only came here to troll on this phone and tell everyone it sucks without directly saying it... you got your fight now go troll somewhere else, thanks
@SteveyAyo
Sorry, but where in those quotes did I say the phone is not good? sounds like you have a twisted comprehension. Again Apple fanboy, go troll somewhere else.
@pika2000 lol apple fanboy? thats a first but seriously youre posting a personal opinion of why TMobile would offer a movie with a phone and pretending like its a factual assessment... YOU dont think this phone will succeed and have made that very obvious... along with your ignorance, both crystal clear at this point
@SteveyAyo
I doesn't really matter what I think actually, but thank you for returning back again and again entertaining my posts. Fact remains that T-Mobile bundles these IPs with the phone. People already pointed out that it's marketing. What's the point of marketing? To sell the product. Are you saying T-Mobile is bundling these IPs for no reason without the intention to sell the product?
@pika2000 why are you saying its wrong to market a phone to sell it? youre saying that by marketing a phone it means that they think its a failure and cant sell... so that means every single thing on this planet that has been marketed was done so because the people selling them thought it was shit and were afraid it wouldnt sell? are you beginning to see the stupidity of your argument here? its the reason you are living in oblivion
@SteveyAyo
"why are you saying its wrong to market a phone to sell it?"
Where did I say that? I never say it's wrong to market a phone. There are a lot of ways to market a product. T-Mobile chose to partner with these 2 IPs (Sims and Avatar) for their marketing. For comparison, look at Sprint's Evo marketing, and look at Verizon's. Sure, they licensed the Droid name, but they focus on Android's capabilities on their ads and nothing on their marketing resemble anything related to Star Wars other than the Droid brand.
"youre saying that by marketing a phone it means that they think its a failure and cant sell"
Again, you and your twisted comprehension. Nobody's thinking or saying the Galaxy S is a failure. See above.
"are you beginning to see the stupidity of your argument here? its the reason you are living in oblivion"
Hey, I'm not the one who keeps coming back and entertain my comments. I'm the only one that get emails when somebody replies, not you. So you're probably refreshing this thread again and again to see if there's a new response. Who's living in oblivion? LOL.
@pika2000
WWHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES!?
@pika2000
notice how everything you say gets downrated? it means shut your hole, no one cares what you think.
@pika2000
'Cmon guys, Pika's got a point... I mean, how can Tmo give this phone away for $200?! I can't believe they'd have to lower the price of the phone so some outrageous "promotional" price just to offload it. It's obvious they think it's a piece of $200 junk. And letting you try it out in the store before you buy? It's like they expect this phone to just be a huge failure on it's own, without any added frills.
I also heard it comes with the android market... hmph! If this phone was so awesome Tmo wouldn't have to push this into the print. So give Pika a break, Tmo doesn't believe in their phone because they decided to put Android on it in order to sell it...