@cesium Yeah, I'm with you, whats wrong with Microsoft, how the afford to lose great talent like J. Allard and Robbie Bach and keep morrons like Ballmer and Lees. I just dont get it. Where are you Bill?
I'd hardly consider the Xbox a failure. And it was almost entirely J Allard's doing. Also, while the Zune hasn't had iPod-level success (and really, what else has?), it's sold moderately well and is very well designed and implemented.
@Alex And what string of failures are you referencing? The Xbox division? The division that became profiable BEFORE they were supposed to in company projections? Where Microsoft makes money on every console shipped right now?
Or perhaps the re-integration of user experience that XboxLive pioneered within Microsoft. That it is so successful, that Win7 phones will have XboxLive as a key component? How many ideas were researched that will bring future revenue while Lee wanted WinMobile 6.5?
@sinco Trash gets retained when there is a Boys Club in management. They are only successful because they ride the backs of other hard working intelligent staff and claim the credit for it. Disgusting, but happens a lot.
@sinco No kidding, Microsoft should have done whatever they could to keep Robbie Bach and J Allard, and gotten rid of Lees instead.
@Alex As has already been pointed out, the Xbox is hardly a failure. And I find it difficult to call the Zune a failure. Granted I own a Zune 30 and a Zune HD, and yeah, Zune didn't have the best start, but other than some cheap Sansa players, the Zune is really one of the few competitors to the iPod left in the PMP market.
@cesium like, seriously. i read this article and i was wondering why MS is still on top. the biggest, if not the only, reason is its desktop OS where it is relatively unchallenged. All other products/services have worthwhile competitors (like PS3 and Wii in console arena, iOS, Android and Symbian in the Mobile OS arena...etc) i am thinking now is the perfect time for Google to come out all guns blazing with its Chrome OS and give MS a run for its money. won't happen in a short term, i know. but if MS continues to fire good talent like this while continuing to keep guys like Lees and Ballmer in charge, a downturn is definitely on the cards
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Someone needs to kick Andy Lees in the balls
@cesium
Yeah, I'm with you, whats wrong with Microsoft, how the afford to lose great talent like J. Allard and Robbie Bach and keep morrons like Ballmer and Lees.
I just dont get it.
Where are you Bill?
@cesium
Why? Allard has produced a string of failures.
@Alex
I'd hardly consider the Xbox a failure. And it was almost entirely J Allard's doing. Also, while the Zune hasn't had iPod-level success (and really, what else has?), it's sold moderately well and is very well designed and implemented.
@cesium Seriously. That was the first thing I thought after reading the article.
@Alex And what string of failures are you referencing? The Xbox division? The division that became profiable BEFORE they were supposed to in company projections? Where Microsoft makes money on every console shipped right now?
Or perhaps the re-integration of user experience that XboxLive pioneered within Microsoft. That it is so successful, that Win7 phones will have XboxLive as a key component? How many ideas were researched that will bring future revenue while Lee wanted WinMobile 6.5?
Your comment sir, FAIL
@sinco Trash gets retained when there is a Boys Club in management.
They are only successful because they ride the backs of other hard working intelligent staff and claim the credit for it. Disgusting, but happens a lot.
@sinco No kidding, Microsoft should have done whatever they could to keep Robbie Bach and J Allard, and gotten rid of Lees instead.
@Alex As has already been pointed out, the Xbox is hardly a failure. And I find it difficult to call the Zune a failure. Granted I own a Zune 30 and a Zune HD, and yeah, Zune didn't have the best start, but other than some cheap Sansa players, the Zune is really one of the few competitors to the iPod left in the PMP market.
@cesium
like, seriously.
i read this article and i was wondering why MS is still on top. the biggest, if not the only, reason is its desktop OS where it is relatively unchallenged. All other products/services have worthwhile competitors (like PS3 and Wii in console arena, iOS, Android and Symbian in the Mobile OS arena...etc)
i am thinking now is the perfect time for Google to come out all guns blazing with its Chrome OS and give MS a run for its money. won't happen in a short term, i know. but if MS continues to fire good talent like this while continuing to keep guys like Lees and Ballmer in charge, a downturn is definitely on the cards