If you don't understand the significance of what you're looking at then you're probably not paying attention. First off, that Aava slab of
WoW slaying smartphone is underpinned by Intel's
Moorestown processor. Yes, Intel, not ARM, as Chipzilla gets serious about taking its silicon mobile. Second, that's the freshly minted
MeeGo OS for handsets that just made its first alpha appearance last week. And it just happens to be the OS that Nokia, the world's largest handset manufacturer, will be building its future generation of super smartphones upon. We'll give you a second to take it all in.
Fortunately for us, the device is in the hands of Steve "Chippy" Paine over at
Carrypad / UMPC Portal. As such, this is just the first of many revelations to come. Hit the man up on Twitter if you want to follow his adventure first hand.
posted July 7th 2010 7:31AM
But does it need a fan to cool it?
@yeoldgreat1 MeeGo is already cool enough... :P
@Mr w00t
Maybe, but it definitely doesnt need this : http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4764273405_396564c798_b.jpg
@yeoldgreat1
You must be cool already if you have fans!
This device is gonna be a killer
@OjSimpson
I really wish there was a video of it in action... :(
@yeoldgreat1
I need a fan, it's f-ing hot here in Philadelphia.
@OjSimpson Hardware buttons?.. Oh no.. another android...
Would it be possible to use a Snapdragon processor in a netbook in a few years? I know it's different hardware design from intel and amd but imagine a battery life from something with such low power consumption!
@yeoldgreat1 Many people seem to miss the fact that this is not a Nokia phone. This is a phone from a company called Aava. That's a completely different company than Nokia. Aava is located in Oulu.
@jussipussi Oh by the way - it most likely is also just a concept phone for technical testing that won't ever reach high manufacturing numbers.
Why the heck did they copy the Android 4-button system to the T? Tacky...
@AdamZSG
Because the phone runs both Meego and Android.
@AdamZSG
Its a reference design product for MeeGo .
At the same time a reference design product for Android x86
@yeoldgreat1
They are called smartbooks, and already avalible on some markets.
And then you have all the slates/tablets...
Its just you cant run Windows 7 on a device with that kind of CPU.
But Windows Embedded Compact 7, MeeGo, Android, several of linux distrubutions, and so on.
Here are more pictures for your convenience:
http://www.umpcportal.com/gallery/v/aava-meego1_1/P1000894.JPG.html
There will be a video demo coming in less than 48hours, stay safe till then.
@yeoldgreat1
No, Intel Moorestown is a fanless design.
@yeoldgreat1 I am still waiting for my Thermaltake pocket cooler :)
@jaradFromSubway
hotter in NYC, I'm in Staten Island.
Can't even imagine what the train platforms must be like right now.
I hope he mentions battery life so we get an idea how the Intel chips are.
Yes more Meego stuff coming out, I like alot of peoplehigh hopes for Meego. Proper open Linux and a desktop OS experience ! Sounds like the future for me.
@IMarius This will not be open when released, Nokia will copy Apple in this respect, have no doubt (well, probably be closer to Google with Android in terms of totalitarianism, but the same idea). It will never be as open as Maemo, as the majority of the public don't actually want or need this level of control.
@cashclientel
why would Nokia do that it makes no sense, where did you get this information link please?? (so i know your not just making stuff up) and i never said the majority of public . I would consider myself a power user since i am programmer , and this is the type stuff i want from my phone.
@IMarius It's an opinion and I've clearly represented it as such, so don't try and be clever asking for links.
Openness like Maemo or beta Meego is not what people actually want or need. They want iPhones (why this device looks exactly like an iPhone). Most of Nokia's current customers are the "sub iPhone" demographic who want something that just plain works and makes calls. With this product they're trying to target the majority of the iPhone market - the majority of which want the same thing... simplicity with a bit of style.
@cashclientel
but it also does not make sense , why would nokia and intel go to the trouble of getting linux foundation to host MeeGo , and then mess it up by not making it open ??
And yet again you talking about people ? not all phone users want the same thing. Your telling me a business user wont want openoffice on their phone. sorry but your just generalizing.
@IMarius I understand what you're saying and agree in principle. For the record as well I want it to be open for my own uses, as I'm sure everyone else here does.
Having an N900 (which is ultra open) and seeing how this compares to something like an iPhone which is completely the opposite in this regard, I do believe that closed is better for most people. This is a reluctant conclusion! Nokia know that the hassle of supporting 'open' phones will be a night mare. Also the capacity for viri massively opens up with unrestricted handsets.
Nokia will use linux foundation to get what they want (free code) and then close off all the proprietary stuff and lock it down. This is my prediction. I know they've been mixed in the past (have contributed a lot to the kernel) but I think this will stop unfortunately.
@cashclientel
best to just agree to disagree lol, i see your points too , but first i really dont think nokia and intel would close meego as it would annoy too many of the linux heads who would have been early adopters and users.
And i really dont think every company needs to go the apple road and close their os. Someone has to be different right ? I would think there is a market for open systems.
@cashclientel and iPhone is doing what extra than making phone calls? And lately not even this :)
Take an iPhone off the shelf and see what you can do with it and do so with a Nokia. I believe iPhone is not what people wants but what Jobs told them they must want. The iPhone as a device does not worth more than a Nokia 5800 price range for its features.That is the real problem with it...and the Apple acosystem that is very restrictive.
MeeGo as it will be a good alternative as a up to date OS for all categories of users.
@IMarius Why would they give a **** about the minority of hardcore users ? The Casual market is where the money is it, and Nokia want that just as much as Apple.
@SarnGate
cause its a market , other companies are not aiming at , and its not always hardcore, no one is saying meego wont be easy to use , just that its an open OS, and nokia makes more then apple from phone sales.
@IMarius Did you read what the title of the story said? Aava MeeGo phone. Now, you may or you may not know, but Aava is not Nokia - it's completely different company that is located in Oulu.
@SarnGate You're totally correct if a little blue.
@IMarius Agreed that "someone SHOULD be different", but not that Nokia will. Being an N900 owner has killed everything that was once optimistic about Nokia in me.
@cashclientel Sorry but this that you just said is totally radical to the point that you are turning into an ignorant ranter.
You might be burned by the N900, you have your reasons, but you cant say that Nokia killed your optimism. You created that yourself.
Maybe you had some pre-defined ideas of what a device should do/behave/look/feel/etc. What you are saying is the same thing as me fornicating a goat and expecting it to become Larissa Riquelme and then complaining about it that "it still looks like a goat behave like a goat and I completly lost faith in goats".
I am an N900 user and I know that it has its problems and limitations, like *ALL* the other phones do.
And about Nokia getting "free code", Nokia gives back to the Linux Foundation itself and to many other projects that are under the MeeGo umbrella. Come on man. You cant be seriously trashing Nokia when the competitors are Microsoft (hello?!), Apple(HELLO?!?) Google (which forked the Linux kernel) and HPalm (which... err... borrowed from Maemo?!)
Even though FSF is wonderful to listen to and Stallmann is a very entertaining dude I do not believe in "Do no evil"-BS.
Companies are here to make MONEY. Heck, if it would be MY company I would like to suck from a "free code" tit.
@cashclientel
MeeGo will always be open. What Nokia includes with their phone "on top of MeeGo" may or may not be open. We know Nokia Maps will be there and that's not open. So MeeGo is open but Apps on top of MeeGo may/may not be open. That's still a big difference than what Apple is doing. And different than Android because MeeGo is a complete Linux OS. There's going to be SuSE MeeGo.
@jussipussi
yes i know i have been following meego closey, look at my comments next time, i only ever brought up nokia when replying to other comments about nokia and meego
@SarnGate
I think you dont see the potential of MeeGo.
Its not a guaranteed success, but the potential is there.
Imagine this.
A MeeGo device with HDMI, USB-host or at least USB-OTG, bluettoth support for keyboard and mouse.
Well, there you have a computer. With a full OS. Connected to your TV, and its a computer with a large monitor. Thats pretty smart.
Imagine this.
Au Buisiness is looking for a new computer system. Looking at linux, and finds out about MeeGo, and devices running it.
For some users you could simply get a phone, and they can dock it at the office, use it as a terminal computer. Other mihgt even get a netbook, or tablet running MeeGo.
Exactly the same OS on a lot of devices. Running the same programs on the phone as in computers, its preaviously unheard of... you might be able to run a mobile version of a program, but not the full program. Some users could replace their laptops for travel use, with just a phone.
Imagine this.
MeeGo is open source, and it can be skinned to look as you want it.
Userfriendlyness is in the GUI, so if you dont like this version of MeeGo, either you could download another skin, or your manufactor of phones might already have skinned it. Rumors say that Nokia has alerady done that.
And MeeGo, really isnt a difficult OS... just that it has a lot more potential than others... that does not mean you have to go deep in to menus to do the basic.
Afterall, a lot of peolple use XP, Vista, Win 7, without really dig deep in to menus. Just cause you have settings, you dont have to use them.
MeeGo is not meant to be a nische OS in the future. It might look that way today. But that is because they want powerusers, to start using the platform, using it to its full potential, make software for it. And try out every little thing to make sure it really works.
@Mr w00t - Sorry but I don't agree with you and find your points difficult to follow. Really not sure about the goatse analogy! I did create the optimism and in my opinion my optimism has been damaged. It's a disappointment of seeing something that could have been amazing being merely average. I've only ever had Nokias and I think they dropped the ball about 2 years ago and are nowhere near picking it back up now... But that's another story.
@theflew - You've started to change my mind; it would be very hard to Nokia to lock it down completely, but I think that's what they want to do.
Guess we'll have to wait and see how it comes out at the other end. I'll be happy if I'm wrong!
@cashclientel
There is no logic to why nokia would close MeeGo!
fr one thing, they are not the only one on the platform, so they dont have complete control.
And the whole idea is that the platform will be able to spread. Computers, mobiles, tvs, microwave ovens, cupon machines, and so on, that is the concept of MeeGo, and you cant achieve that if you close the system down.
And Nokia made Symbian open source, they didnt have to, but they dit. We perhaps have not seen much resut of that.
But that is showing us what nokia believes in.
And a Open OS, has some advantages.
The big spred.
The higly customization, a stong point for busineses and operators.
And if the community comes up with a soution to improve something in a product, nokia can easily pick that up.
What are the downsides, really?
Devices can be made with different looks, and different hardware, since its a full computer OS, its way different from how manufactors have to think about Android and iOS devices. So that reason for lockdown is not necessary.
Well with a locked down OS, nokia could make more money of their application store. But they havent really shown much interest in that. Besides, if the OS spread to normal consumers, most of them will use the applications store, that is the easiest one to use, and a built in one in the phone, is easliy at hand. So some money nokia could still make, if they do have provison of the sales thru OVI store.
An Open OS, might mean that people can boot another OS on nokias devices. Well, the warranty is broken, and Nokia still sold a hardware unit, so not really a downside from Nokias perspective.
For a Hardware company like nokia, there is More to gain from an Open OS.
Im too are dissapointed with nokia, after having some devices with serious problems. And with their bad warranty service partner here in sweden.
But you havent really told us what you are dissapointed with, with the n900. Is it that there is not enough software. Well, Nokia cant be blamed, really, what could they do about it? The N900 is more of a dev device sold to the public.
Is it the software inside? Well there are some shortcomings, but then there are on any device today.
Is it that it wont be updated with MeeGo? well, that is a bit sad, but they never made a promise of a OS upgrade. And they are still making updates for the device.
Is it the batteryperformance? well its not the best, but youll have the same problem with other devices.
You really do have to do some reserach before purchasing a device.
It can be very hard.... but if you chose not to do a really good reserach before purchase, well, then you cant really have veru high expecations either.
@cashclientel 1) intel won't release closed stuff - ever
2) you can't close down GPL software - you just can't
An honest question, what can Moorsertown give us which Qualcomm/ARM etc. can't already? Or is this a mainstream Intel foray into the mobile phone chipset world?
@spaz1
More competition?
Aside from that Moorestown is x86-compatible which could no doubt be a boon for some users.
Aside from that I suspect we'd have to wait for more information on what the platform can offer.
@Exodite
I think just the fact that it's an x86 chip Intel hopes that smartphone makers will start using it because it would mean more software available for it. Hence, a more desktop experience.
@donv69 The problem is they're using a new OS anyway, which requires new applications. It also requires the application to be rewritten for a touch based interface.
x86 is really no advantage in the mobile space.
@spaz1
Its supposed to be more powerfull.
And its a bit of competition.
@metafor Ok, this isn't a subject that I know much about so I am more than happy to be corrected. Would there not be more software developers familiar with the x86 architecture?
I'm thinking something along the lines of Xbox 360 v PS3. The fact that the 360 processor is pc based, means there is a much shorter learning curb for developers to write for the 360 as they are normally already familiar with writing for pc.
Could there be similar comparisons made in the mobile phone space?
@metafor , there are some advantages to x86. Probably the big one is that there is a lot more compiler knowledge for building optimized code with x86. ARM compilers simply still aren't great, but improving.
The other advantage may be that emulators may be easier to write and will have better performance on your desktop.
The last advantage may be that at some point down the line, you can run the same app on your laptop as your mobile device. While it may not be optimized for your multitouch laptop, it could still be a pretty good experience.
@metafor, being x86 has two huge advantages:
1) Vast majority of devs out there are familiar with the architecture and compilers, linkers etc. are far more optimized
2) MeeGo is not a new OS per se - it's pretty much standard GNU/Linux distribution spin-off, so most x86 Linux libs (and there are gazillion of them for every use imaginable) are available and in most case won't even need recompilation, let alone porting.
If not = 1 GHz or more then FAIL!!!
@nooruls143
Clock speed != performance.
@nooruls143
If you don't understand that you can not directly compare Ghz of different architectures the you fail.....
In theory you could have one chip that runs at 1mhz being more powerful than another that runs at 1Ghz. Ghz is a measurement of clock cycles not power.