Sharp intros first 100GB BDXL discs, Japan gets first dibs on July 30
It took a little while after the BDXL specification was finalized, but here's Sharp busting down the door to expanded storage with the first official products adhering to said spec. The new VR-100BR1 discs will use triple-layer fairy dust to squish 100GB of data inside, and Akihabara News reports that they'll be swiftly followed by quad-layer 128GB variants as well. Of course, every shiny new toy comes at a price, which in this case will be ¥5,000 per disc -- that equates to $57 and makes us wonder why we wouldn't just buy an external HDD with that cash. Perhaps because the slinky new Blu-ray media will be playable in that shiny new Sharp Blu-ray DVR you just bought? You did buy a Sharp DVR, right? Because the BD-HDW700/70 are the only models that will support these, at least for the moment.
Sharp to Introduce VR-100BR1 Triple-Layer Blu-ray Disc Media
World's First*1 Recordable Media to Conform to New BDXL™*2 Format Specification for Blu-ray Discs Storage Capacity of up to 100GB on a Single Disc
Sharp Corporation will introduce the VR-100BR1 triple-layer Blu-ray Disc media (write-once) that conforms to the BDXL™ format specification, the new multi-layer recordable Blu-ray Disc format, a world first. These new Blu-ray Discs will be available in Japan beginning July 30, 2010.
This disc media product conforms to the new BDXL™ format specification that extends the storage capacity of Blu-ray Discs to 100GB, twice the 50GB storage capacity of existing dual-layer discs. This new format enables recording approximately 12 hours of terrestrial digital TV broadcasts*3 or approximately 8.6 hours of BS digital TV broadcasts*3. It expands the range of applications for Blu-ray Discs to include recording and saving*4 long-duration HDTV programs or multiple episodes of serial dramas onto a single disc with the same high-definition image quality as the original.
Major Features
1. World's first triple-layer Blu-ray Disc media featuring large 100GB recording storage capacity.
2. "Hard coat" process provides peace of mind to users by protecting important video data from scratches and fingerprint contamination.
3. Users can print directly on discs down to 24 mm inner diameter.
*1 As of July 16, 2010, for Blu-ray Disc media for video recording.
*2 Specification defined by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) for high-capacity Blu-ray Discs.
*3 A guide for the potential recording time when recording video using standard DR mode (recorded with the image quality exactly as broadcast; calculated at bit rates of 17 Mbps for terrestrial digital broadcasts and 24 Mbps for BS digital broadcasts). Recording time will vary depending on the recording mode settings, the recorded video content, and other factors.
*4 This disc is intended for use only in equipment supporting the BDXL™ format. Note that there is no guarantee that this disc will function when used in equipment or PCs not supporting the BDXL™ format.
Major Features
1. World's first triple-layer Blu-ray Disc media featuring large 100GB recording storage capacity. This disc media is the first in the world to conform to the new BDXL™ format specification that extends the storage capacity of Blu-ray Discs by increasing the number of recording layers. The dual-layer structure used up to now has been augmented with an additional layer where image data can be recorded to create a new triple-layer structure. This design doubles the recording storage capacity (to 100GB) compared to existing dual-layer discs (50GB). This makes it possible to record approximately 12 hours of terrestrial digital TV broadcasts or approximately 8.6 hoursof BS digital TV broadcasts in DR mode (recorded with the image quality exactly as broadcast), or store other long-duration video content, all on a single disc, while preserving the same high-definition image quality of the original.
2. "Hard coat" process provides peace of mind for users by protecting important video data from scratches and fingerprint contamination. A "hard coat" process applied to the disc surface forms a protective barrier coating to protect stored data from scratches and dirt that may cause read and write errors.
3. Users can print directly on discs down to 24 mm inner diameter. Wide print area of 24 mm inner diameter and 118 mm outer diameter for disc labeling. In addition to enabling vivid color labeling to be printed over nearly the entire disc, oil-based or water-based marker pens can be used to hand-write labels on these discs.























Great, but how am I gonna fit a disc in my mp3 player?
@wemustcontrolpeople
strap it on to a blu-ray player, u troll.
Triple Layer Fairy Dust? Sounds good enough for me! :D
@SpaceKyd
Pretty sure I accidentally did some of that at a party once :/
I am still waiting for Samsung's 320GB one's.
£38 per disc... How many times have you suffered a write error that meant throwing the blank disc in the bin?? That seems to occur more and more as you get into double layer DVDs so I can only imagine how accident prone these things could be... Can it ever be worth the risk???
lol, what a useless invention.
BREAKING NEWS: Nintendo 64 game cartridges now hold up to 1gb of storage!
@Denial Why is it useless? When a new HD movie standard comes out, they need a new disc to put it in.
@loseover4 Discs are a thing of the past, by the time a new HD movie standard comes out, the 20% of the population that still actually buy discs will be on netflix, apple tv, zune, etc..
@Denial But 100GB @ 40-80gb/s >> 1.5GB @ 5gb/s (remember, just because the resolution is the same doesn't mean the quality will be).
No one has the network capacity to privately stream that quality yet. No one has the internet speed to stream that quality from Netflix yet. No one has the hard drive capacity to store a reasonable library worth of movies at that quality, yet. BRD will eventually be the price of DVDs (50 disks for $15). DVDs are already a rip off, but they're still used like crazy in business and home. 1 DL-DVD is cheaper than an 8GB flash drive. Easier and cheaper to burn and move a few DVDs than a large flash disk. BR disks will eventually become cost effective to do the same.
@Denial
You underestimate the stupidity of the general population. PSPGO wasn't just a failure because it's price and lack of homebrew, but because people are too dumb to download anything.
It's gonna be a good 15+ years before average joe understand enough to go with digital distribution
@loseover4
What new movie standard?
HD TV @ 1080p is about as far away from saturation globally as it could be.
720p/1080i is it for a very long time to come; you'll be lucky to see many invest in the extra andwidth for 1080p broadcasting.
Just because a tiny handful would like 2k or 4k for their massive sets doesn't mean Hollywood is going to rush to sell master copies of their movies.
That's just never going to happen.
@Bearpowers said:
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"You underestimate the stupidity of the general population. PSPGO wasn't just a failure because it's price and lack of homebrew, but because people are too dumb to download anything."
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I'd say:
1) downloads priced like physical goods (often higher)
2) the inability to share them however you wanted like you can with discs
3) the fact that not nearly enough titles were released for download compared to UMD
4) the fact that it couldn't play a library of games released years before
5) the fact that the PSP 1000, 2000 and 3000 Series *can* do the same downloads too (supply your own memory card and USB cable) AND can do UMD too
.People are not 'dumb' they are smart and 'smart' and simplicity won. Why would I want to pay more for a download? Why would I want to limit my choices? Why would I want to miss out on the second-hand market? Why would I not want to have the option to sell some of my games easily if I wanted to, rather than be stuck with a download with heavy restrictions with what I can do with it?
Sony's problem isn't the customer, it's believing the customer will be swindled into digital distribution based on physical goods pricing (to protect their retailers) with less choice than those available on UMD and all-the-while downplaying that their previous (and current) hardware has the same ability, with arguably a more ergonomic design.
Yes the PSP Go has bluetooth and is more compact, but they are giving away downloadable games now just to move units. I think that speaks volumes about their approach and about the value they were offering.
This sucks!!! So any current blu-ray player will be incompatible with these new discs. They might as well as rename it something else, instead of reusing the "blu-ray" moniker.
@Samunosuke There were plenty of DVD players that couldn't handle dual-layer DVDs, then DVD-R, then DVD+R, then DVD+/-R/DL, etc. They were all still called DVD players and carry the same DVD logo.
@Samunosuke If I'm not mistaken, DVDs went through the same process, plus, it still uses Blu-ray technology, although a bit different. Renaming it would just be too much of a problem. Plus, most people already know Blu-ray, thus making it easier to market.
If this would put multiple seasons of TV shows,....and kill extras discs,..it would be special.I thought maybe that Bluray would do that for even SD stuff.Imagine ALL 7 seasons of STTNG on one disc!
Ain't gonna happen,...but still.....it would have been sensible.
I think the BD25s are big enough for blank anythings,...and until cars get BD drives,....there's really no need.At least on my end.
@CpuYoda I think Hollywood rather put in more ads and trailers than actual content to fill up those space.
nobody want disk-media anymore.....
nice try..but too late..
This may work in Japan as they have blu-ray recorders. The same application is non-existent in the US. Heck, how many people actually use blu-ray for data? Most, if not all, only use it to watch blu-ray movies.
Oh wait, will this mean we will see more non-skippable warnings, trailers, and useless ads on our HD movies? It's bad enough with DVD (any modern DVD movies nowadays are compressed more aggressively, having a lot less bitrate than the early days' DVD movies. All the space goes to useless ads and trailers).
I remember pre-BD/HD-DVD format-war some people were saying both formats are obsolete and digital distribution was the future. I don't know why, but I thought that was silly. Maybe it was that crappy connection I had or the fact that my hard drive was 70GB at the time, but this article has pretty much shown me that I'm better off skipping BD. What's the point in fussing about different BD specs and models and compatibility? So you can spend 3 hours burning a disc where LAN would take half an hour? What is BD good for outside video sales?
@noahgray Well, the issue is that with draconian bandwidth caps, digital distributions won't go far. So I expect physical media to last longer than expected, if not forever. I mean come on, we're in 2010, and we see wireless data going from unlimited to 5GB to 2GB/200MB. That's not progress.
Is anyone still using Blu-Ray? I sold my PS3 and decided I'd rather just watch movies in HD via Zune marketplace on my 360.
@Bobbo I would like a ps3 for the native hd video games. And I would really like bluray movies. I have like a 1 mbps connection over here so streaming on my 360 is a no go. I also have like 12 gb of total space, 6 gb is already taken up by game saves and map packs. Id rather be watching a nice uncompressed video too.
@Openwave
Well I can tell ya that Blu-Ray definately looks better, but the Zune store has excellent instant-on streaming HD that also looks really good. I decided that since my PS3 was so worthless for games for so long that it was just better to turn it into cash and move away from physical media all together.
Zune marketplace does not require much hard drive space. It's streaming....but your internet connection definitely a problem.
You cannot use a hard disk to record Japanese TV as they are Copyright protected. They use the unique identifier on the disc itself to encode the video which you cannot clone. So the only viable option for now is BD-R for some ultra long program (or fail back to DVD, or HDD equipped DVD recorder)
some tvs have built in usb. plug your external 1TB external drive to watch movies. and 1TB now costs 70 or so dollars.
Useless craspolia.
1TB HD [931GB formatted] = 7 cents a gig
100GB bluray = more than 57 cents a gig
800% more expensive to store data on a medium prone to failure
make sense?
@The Incredible Mr Coco Pants I buy blank Maxell DVD-R for 2.20 euros a 10 pack. That's 0.22 euro cents a disk so 0.22 / 4.7 gigs = about 0.047 euro cents a gig. To be interested in this new blu ray disk the 100 gig would have to cost 4.70 euros. Until then no sale.
@The Incredible Mr Coco Pants
Do we have confirmation BDXL is more prone to failure?
Hard drives really aren't archival formats and BDXL (at least now) is aimed at enterprises with heavy archiving needs, so it seems unlikely they would sacrifice reliability to get there.
Hard drives files can easily get deleted and are more prone to shock damage than virtually any other mass storage out there, so it's not just about cost (especially not for large enterprises BDXL is aimed at right now).
I just want to know when the hell blu ray external burners are gonna come down in price
@Metacognition
Me too, these things have been staying at the 200-300 price point for so long I just gave up and bought another 1tb hard drive. I personally think they were going the right way with DVD-RAM type media and I am hoping as capacity goes up they'll bring back that type of technology
@buzz86us
There was talk of DVD-RAM being upped in storage capacity but I remember reading that they decided against it. A shame.
DVD-RAM was brilliant.
Hey, Sharp. I've got a much bigger & cheaper storage solution than that. It's called "the cloud" & it's always with me.
Thanks for playing.
A good idea would be to re market this disk as 4K Bluray or something similar and have the companies use it primarily for selling movies at a 4K resolution video image. And no, I don't want people telling me to try and stream 4K over my internet connection, it isn't currently possible. What Bluray, and all of these optical disks do, hate it or love it, is propel us further into digital quality faster than the internet can. Not saying this gap won't change in the future, but currently thats the case.
@Funkyfreshh
Dream on.
You're not going to be getting Hollywood 4k films.
End of.
There is no way Hollywood are ever going to sell you master copies of their movies.
Upscaling to 2K is the best you can seriously hope for......why would they do anything else?
Just to satisfy the miniscule handful with 100"+ screens?
Hardly.
didn't the prototype inventors of the 100gb and larger discs say that it was compatible with current players, guess they changed it just to make everyone buy new players/burners
Can we get 1 TB optical or holographic storage already? I'd like to "burn" my backup data to a disc to store offsite already.
what for they doing this ?????
am NOT gonna buy another drive AGAIN !!
Unless this can eventually play on ALL Blu-Ray players, it shouldn't be called a Blu-Ray disc.
You can almost get a 1 TB externel HDD for that money
And HDDs are better in almost every way than optical media. Now the more affordable price per gigabyte can be counted as another advantage of using HDDs