@MarkAnderson Yes, now please Engadget, don't make a whole series of articles about how it failed over the course of the next month like you did the KIN.
@ok1 Google shitty programming Google doesn't need all of it's products the be the best. it's enough that it has a semi-significant hand in a TON of different pies.
for example, android may only be succeeding through Buy 1 get ones, but that wasn't enough for Palm. It's because there's a ton of android phones out that this succeeds.
yes, google search has been declining for months, but for how many years has it remained #1? it still has a market share that's a TON better then anything else around.
Google Voice just went public like a month ago and you wanna declare it a giant failure? that's a bit pre-mature
Looking back at the comments from the May 19th public beta, this guy totally called it:
@bjsguess
"I use Wave a lot for collaboration. Haven't experienced the lag issues that you noted.
Wave is a solid tool with some pretty major issues still. My guess is that the technology behind Wave will be useful in the future, but the app itself will fade off into the sunset. "
@ok1 Google shitty programming yea look at any other tech company and tell me that there they sell there shares at a high price plz do so cuz there might be one but i kno apple mcsft ibm cisco dell hp fb anything elsse i can think of is no where near google you sir dont kno much about stocks
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" -- Mahatma Gandhi.
I agree with most of what you say except for Android, which is a worthy product and is a success beyond anyone's dream (if market share is to be used as a metric). I like iPhone better but Android is fine by me (not so much the disparaging and condescending Android fans though I wish they f**king died).
1 Very successful maps application 1 Very successful email client 1 Extremely successful search engine 1 Extremely successful ad services 1 Extremely successful phone OS 1 Extremely successful browser 1 Extremely successful video site (bought-out but well maintained)
Not to mention 1 successful blogging application, 1 successful purchasing gateway, 1 successful translator
Should I keep going?
Google Wave has shown off some AMAZING things, but it simply wasn't integrated enough to Email to be viable yet. But in year, the technology will be adopted. And you really can't deny that they proved to be the first at creating that technology.
1) Google Voice isn't supposed to kill the telephone, it is an enhancement to the telephone. 2) Android OS is currently selling handsets at a higher rate than BlackBerry OS, the first time in YEARS BlackBerry isn't number 1. 3) Who uses AIM anymore? 4) Orkut did very well in some countries other than the U.S. 5) Google innovates plenty. See Microsoft's move into the cloud for everything. Google's push to the Cloud was the first major push, a push that an entire industry has followed.
@ok1 Google shitty programming A product doesn't need to kill another product to be successful. Google wave was an innovative product. What killed Wave was that it was so different from how we ordinarily communicate. And customers will rarely take the time to form new habits whether or not they would benefit from it.
@MarkAnderson Google business model is to keep innovation with acquisition. When you do acquisitions at Google's rate, it's impossible for all of them to be homeruns. If one out of five, or one out of then is a homerun, then it's all good. You still get to keep the talent you acquired.
Now I know Wave wasn't an acquisition, but it's the same. Like other mentioned the IP will be used in other products.
The only semi valid point the troll is bringing, is that Google revenues are something like 98% from advertising. It needs to be able to monetize other services. But even then, they don't need to if they can fuel the advertising growth with Android, Google TV, books, places, etc.
Do you understand how surveys work? They acquire data from a large enough number of people to show significant trends. From the large amount of data analyzed, the p-value that they acquired was likely much much less than 0.05, especially with 5% more sales than the nearest competitor. Even if they had a p-value of 0.05 (an EXTREMELY high estimate), that would mean that there is a 95% likelihood that Google does sell significantly more handsets than its nearest competitor. Learn some statistics before refuting surveys, they are surprisingly valid.
@cocopuffs "@ok1 Google shitty programming Yeah, look at any other tech company and tell me that they sell their shares at as high a price, please do so because there might be one but I know Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco, Dell, HP, Facebook and anyone else I can think of is nowhere near google. You sir, dont know much about stocks." - I tried my best
I think google may overestimated the "general public". Wave showed some potential but may have had too much of a learning curve to really catch on. Would have been nice to see it fully integrated with google apps.
I would not be surprised to see some elements of Wave in future google misadventures (e.g., "google me")
First off, Chrome is 16.7% of the browser shares And yes, based on Q1!!!! Android is at 9% of market share and outselling everyone. Q2 is bound to be much higher. And 9% is not insignificant. Thats like saying that Apple is an insignificant player in the Desktop market.
Actually according to w3schools Chrome is the second largest browser used to Firefox (owning 46.4%)
IE 6-7 are simply used on corporate computers or by people that are simply too old to discover tabbed browsing so IE 8 is the only one I would count towards consumer browsers.
Also, getting cancelled doesn't mean it wasn't successful in some means. I guarantee that this experiment will result in a number of new features that will be popping up in Google's other products. Useful New Features - Success.
You're kidding me, right? A Gandhi quote to use FOR a troll? He consistently bad-mouths Google for no apparent reason. You're seriously arguing that we should "feed the troll"? WTF?
This guy has been banned multiple times. We ignore him because we know this.
And then 2 or 3 people refute him. Which doubly refutes everything he says.
Lol, you call me the fanboy for actually using real numbers gathered by people, and you then provide NO information on where you found this 5% share that I assume you made up.
But one thing that was VERY wrong with your statement is the IE shares. Its not because people dont seek new browsers commonly, Firefox is still highly used on most counters. But IE has a large share because of its corporate stance. Anyone that works along side computers knows that most corps dont let people install new browsers and are all running on XP preinstalled with IE 6 or 7 (based on what server pack they install)
But regardless, its still number 3. Number 2 on "replaced browser" so how is that NOT a successful browser?
Congratulations Mr Google Hater, you have no real merit to your comments.
5% is not represented in ANY poll you will find. Lowest you will find is 9% and 3rd ranked browser no matter where you go. Safari being no higher than 6%, Opera no higher than 4%.
Perhaps the phrase for him should be "First they ignore you, then they downrank you, then they refute you into oblivion, then you get banned, and finally you come back as a new troll."
I mean seriously. Why are you legitimizing a known troll? And how the hell did you get highest ranked?
You see it too, right? Tell me I'm not going insane. Please tell me that he is a complete moron for defending a known troll that has been banned...what is it....6 times now?.....WITH A GANDHI QUOTE???
@cocopuffs "look at any other tech company and tell me that there they sell there shares at a high price plz ... you sir dont kno much about stocks"
As it seems, sir, neither do you. While share price is nice, it's really a joke. If tomorrow Google chopped each share into 10 shares, and kept everything else the same, you know what would happen to their share price? It'd go down by 90%. Do you know what would happen to the value of the company? It'd stay the same. Share price is a meaningless number by itself.
All that said, Google has great a great *market capitalization* and growth prospects compared to it's industry. But between your writing style and your lack of knowledge, you sir, might be in the same boat as the guy you replied to.
"it pisses them off when i remind them of cold hard facts, how the g1 looked like a brick., how androids UI is still horribly ugly, etc"
You realize that those "cold hard facts" are opinions right?
I think the G1 was a great phone when it came out, I also love the Google UI.
Sorry but I think you are the one getting pissed off when people show you the REAL facts that Google is outselling other smartphones, and chrome is actually growning market share daily, etc.
Sorry, but your fanboy talk makes you sound a lot like one yourself.
@Mike10010100
And yes, you are insane, but your right on this point :P
@ok1 Google shitty programming Oh, sorry I forgot. You're not an Apple fanboy. You're a WINDOWS PHONE 7 fanboy. The OS that hasn't even come out yet.
In that case, while we're talking about ancient hardware, let's talk about Windows Mobile 6.5 on my HTC Mogul. It was slow, clunky, ugly, extremely static, and no potential for growth. That's why they threw it out the window and hoped that Windows Phone 7 will redeem them in the eyes of the consumer.
Your original numbers for marketshare were WRONG. You are wrong and nobody should be legitimizing you, not even JojoMojo.
@saiku it's not about programming or market share. google is primarily an advertising company; ironically, one that is pretty terrible at marketing. "build it and they will come" only works for baseball fields.
I stand by that statement. I ended up using Wave quite a bit in collaboration projects with folks off-site. It definitely did the job but there were too many issues with the product to become widely adopted by average consumers.
The concept is great. The technology behind it is great. I could absolutely see integration of some of the technology into Gmail. That could be a real feather in the cap for Google. Another way to differentiate itself from other web based email providers.
The X-Fi3 keeps with the company's commitment to audio fidelity, thanks to the apt-X codec, which supposedly offers audio quality similar to a wired connection when streaming. On that front, the device also handles FLAC files.
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@MarkAnderson Yes, now please Engadget, don't make a whole series of articles about how it failed over the course of the next month like you did the KIN.
@MarkAnderson
But of course the ONE thing they make that is getting permanently shut down had to be named after something from FIREFLY.
Goddamn.
Most people just didn't understand WTF this product was.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
HAHA.
Yeah, their stock price is REALLY showing how much they suck sir.
Trading at 506 is REALLY showing their demise
@ok1 Google shitty programming
WTF are you talking about....you sir are on crack!!
@bob1000
To be fair, Wave likely wasn't a $1 billion disaster like KIN was.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Ah. Okay now, time to wake up little boy from your little fantasy. :)
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Google doesn't need all of it's products the be the best. it's enough that it has a semi-significant hand in a TON of different pies.
for example, android may only be succeeding through Buy 1 get ones, but that wasn't enough for Palm. It's because there's a ton of android phones out that this succeeds.
yes, google search has been declining for months, but for how many years has it remained #1? it still has a market share that's a TON better then anything else around.
Google Voice just went public like a month ago and you wanna declare it a giant failure? that's a bit pre-mature
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Hi. I have a policy of not wanting absolute wankers attached to my posts.
Please desist from posting, break your hands or die in a fire.
Thank you.
@MarkAnderson
Looking back at the comments from the May 19th public beta, this guy totally called it:
@bjsguess
"I use Wave a lot for collaboration. Haven't experienced the lag issues that you noted.
Wave is a solid tool with some pretty major issues still. My guess is that the technology behind Wave will be useful in the future, but the app itself will fade off into the sunset. "
@MarkAnderson You tell him! I refuse to argue with such a moron.
Poor Gina Trapani and her book
@MarkAnderson
Can't win'em all
@ok1 Google shitty programming yea look at any other tech company and tell me that there they sell there shares at a high price plz do so cuz there might be one but i kno apple mcsft ibm cisco dell hp fb anything elsse i can think of is no where near google you sir dont kno much about stocks
@cocopuffs That is impossible to read.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" -- Mahatma Gandhi.
I agree with most of what you say except for Android, which is a worthy product and is a success beyond anyone's dream (if market share is to be used as a metric). I like iPhone better but Android is fine by me (not so much the disparaging and condescending Android fans though I wish they f**king died).
@cocopuffs WTF are you talking about?
@ok1 Google shitty programming
1 trick pony
1 Very successful maps application
1 Very successful email client
1 Extremely successful search engine
1 Extremely successful ad services
1 Extremely successful phone OS
1 Extremely successful browser
1 Extremely successful video site (bought-out but well maintained)
Not to mention 1 successful blogging application, 1 successful purchasing gateway, 1 successful translator
Should I keep going?
Google Wave has shown off some AMAZING things, but it simply wasn't integrated enough to Email to be viable yet. But in year, the technology will be adopted. And you really can't deny that they proved to be the first at creating that technology.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
1) Google Voice isn't supposed to kill the telephone, it is an enhancement to the telephone.
2) Android OS is currently selling handsets at a higher rate than BlackBerry OS, the first time in YEARS BlackBerry isn't number 1.
3) Who uses AIM anymore?
4) Orkut did very well in some countries other than the U.S.
5) Google innovates plenty. See Microsoft's move into the cloud for everything. Google's push to the Cloud was the first major push, a push that an entire industry has followed.
@MarkAnderson Yeah, Google sucks. It is doomed. The stench of this failed project will scar the company for years to come.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
you can add Google Checkout to the list. I remember lots of tech media and tech geeks predicting that it would kill PayPal.
@MisterWarmth I will freely admit to not understanding WTF Wave was, even after using it a couple of times.
Or more specifically, I didn't understand what I was supposed to be accomplishing with it that I couldn't already do with existing tools.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
A product doesn't need to kill another product to be successful. Google wave was an innovative product. What killed Wave was that it was so different from how we ordinarily communicate. And customers will rarely take the time to form new habits whether or not they would benefit from it.
@MarkAnderson Google business model is to keep innovation with acquisition.
When you do acquisitions at Google's rate, it's impossible for all of them to be homeruns. If one out of five, or one out of then is a homerun, then it's all good. You still get to keep the talent you acquired.
Now I know Wave wasn't an acquisition, but it's the same. Like other mentioned the IP will be used in other products.
The only semi valid point the troll is bringing, is that Google revenues are something like 98% from advertising. It needs to be able to monetize other services. But even then, they don't need to if they can fuel the advertising growth with Android, Google TV, books, places, etc.
Remember kids, don't feed the Trolls!
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Do you understand how surveys work? They acquire data from a large enough number of people to show significant trends. From the large amount of data analyzed, the p-value that they acquired was likely much much less than 0.05, especially with 5% more sales than the nearest competitor. Even if they had a p-value of 0.05 (an EXTREMELY high estimate), that would mean that there is a 95% likelihood that Google does sell significantly more handsets than its nearest competitor. Learn some statistics before refuting surveys, they are surprisingly valid.
@cocopuffs "@ok1 Google shitty programming
Yeah, look at any other tech company and tell me that they sell their shares at as high a price, please do so because there might be one but I know Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco, Dell, HP, Facebook and anyone else I can think of is nowhere near google. You sir, dont know much about stocks." - I tried my best
@GenericMessage
Stock price isn't reflective of a company's success...
Apple's worth multiple times more than Microsoft yet has a similar market cap.
@MarkAnderson When I go out tonight to celebrate the striking down of Prop 8 in CA, I'll pour one out for Google Wave.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/npd-android-is-now-top-selling-os-in-american-smartphones/
@ok1 Google shitty programming
...and another thing. You are a moron get a job or something. You have been banned more than drugs in the 70's!
I think google may overestimated the "general public". Wave showed some potential but may have had too much of a learning curve to really catch on. Would have been nice to see it fully integrated with google apps.
I would not be surprised to see some elements of Wave in future google misadventures (e.g., "google me")
@MarkAnderson
To be honest, it seemed like a glorified AIM to those who didn't really grasp what it was capable of.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
First off, Chrome is 16.7% of the browser shares
And yes, based on Q1!!!! Android is at 9% of market share and outselling everyone. Q2 is bound to be much higher. And 9% is not insignificant. Thats like saying that Apple is an insignificant player in the Desktop market.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Actually according to w3schools Chrome is the second largest browser used to Firefox (owning 46.4%)
IE 6-7 are simply used on corporate computers or by people that are simply too old to discover tabbed browsing so IE 8 is the only one I would count towards consumer browsers.
@VanillaCoke
Also, getting cancelled doesn't mean it wasn't successful in some means. I guarantee that this experiment will result in a number of new features that will be popping up in Google's other products. Useful New Features - Success.
@JojoMojo
You're kidding me, right? A Gandhi quote to use FOR a troll? He consistently bad-mouths Google for no apparent reason. You're seriously arguing that we should "feed the troll"? WTF?
This guy has been banned multiple times. We ignore him because we know this.
And then 2 or 3 people refute him. Which doubly refutes everything he says.
@MarkAnderson
Another fail, suck it Google! Now only if Wave could take Assdroid with it too.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Lol, you call me the fanboy for actually using real numbers gathered by people, and you then provide NO information on where you found this 5% share that I assume you made up.
But one thing that was VERY wrong with your statement is the IE shares. Its not because people dont seek new browsers commonly, Firefox is still highly used on most counters. But IE has a large share because of its corporate stance. Anyone that works along side computers knows that most corps dont let people install new browsers and are all running on XP preinstalled with IE 6 or 7 (based on what server pack they install)
But regardless, its still number 3. Number 2 on "replaced browser" so how is that NOT a successful browser?
Congratulations Mr Google Hater, you have no real merit to your comments.
5% is not represented in ANY poll you will find. Lowest you will find is 9% and 3rd ranked browser no matter where you go. Safari being no higher than 6%, Opera no higher than 4%.
@MarkAnderson I never even understood what "wave" was.
@JojoMojo
Perhaps the phrase for him should be "First they ignore you, then they downrank you, then they refute you into oblivion, then you get banned, and finally you come back as a new troll."
I mean seriously. Why are you legitimizing a known troll? And how the hell did you get highest ranked?
@Mike10010100
Ranking system on this site AMAZES me on how much it changes.
On Apple threads especially, one day everything pro-google gets downranked, next day, everything pro-apple gets downranked.
Then Lord Vader comes in and slides his hands and auto downrankes everyone.
@corylulu
You see it too, right? Tell me I'm not going insane. Please tell me that he is a complete moron for defending a known troll that has been banned...what is it....6 times now?.....WITH A GANDHI QUOTE???
@ok1 Google shitty programming
why bury this comment. kin was indeed around 200 mill and the man is stating a fact...why bury his comment when kin is compared to wave by the OP?
@cocopuffs "look at any other tech company and tell me that there they sell there shares at a high price plz ... you sir dont kno much about stocks"
As it seems, sir, neither do you. While share price is nice, it's really a joke. If tomorrow Google chopped each share into 10 shares, and kept everything else the same, you know what would happen to their share price? It'd go down by 90%. Do you know what would happen to the value of the company? It'd stay the same. Share price is a meaningless number by itself.
All that said, Google has great a great *market capitalization* and growth prospects compared to it's industry. But between your writing style and your lack of knowledge, you sir, might be in the same boat as the guy you replied to.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
"it pisses them off when i remind them of cold hard facts, how the g1 looked like a brick., how androids UI is still horribly ugly, etc"
You realize that those "cold hard facts" are opinions right?
I think the G1 was a great phone when it came out, I also love the Google UI.
Sorry but I think you are the one getting pissed off when people show you the REAL facts that Google is outselling other smartphones, and chrome is actually growning market share daily, etc.
Sorry, but your fanboy talk makes you sound a lot like one yourself.
@Mike10010100
And yes, you are insane, but your right on this point :P
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Yeah, just keep talking about first generation devices. Man the iPhone original sucked. No 3G, no gyroscope, no copy/paste, no multitasking.
Oh, wait. We don't live in 2006 any more.
Android has made huge improvements, it's UI is NOT ugly, it's extremely fast (with 2.2) and is quickly gaining marketshare.
YOU deal with the facts.
@ok1 Google shitty programming
Oh, sorry I forgot. You're not an Apple fanboy. You're a WINDOWS PHONE 7 fanboy. The OS that hasn't even come out yet.
In that case, while we're talking about ancient hardware, let's talk about Windows Mobile 6.5 on my HTC Mogul. It was slow, clunky, ugly, extremely static, and no potential for growth. That's why they threw it out the window and hoped that Windows Phone 7 will redeem them in the eyes of the consumer.
Your original numbers for marketshare were WRONG. You are wrong and nobody should be legitimizing you, not even JojoMojo.
@saiku
it's not about programming or market share. google is primarily an advertising company; ironically, one that is pretty terrible at marketing. "build it and they will come" only works for baseball fields.
@lelander
Thanks lelander for using my quote!
I stand by that statement. I ended up using Wave quite a bit in collaboration projects with folks off-site. It definitely did the job but there were too many issues with the product to become widely adopted by average consumers.
The concept is great. The technology behind it is great. I could absolutely see integration of some of the technology into Gmail. That could be a real feather in the cap for Google. Another way to differentiate itself from other web based email providers.