I'm in favor of a cheaper A$6.3 Billion plan and having it compete with everyone else with open access rather than spending A$43 Billion to completely roll out this NBN over the next 5 to 7 years only to find out that it is now completely obsolete and superseded by some newer and unprecedented technology.
Hi, to upgrade speeds of fiber technology @ the switch end it's (usually) just as simple as upgrading what we call 'gBic controllers' which are tiny cards that control the encapsulation speeds of fiber-optics. This means, to upgrade from 100mbps to 10gbps takes 1 tech around 30minutes to install :) I'll make it even clearer - Fiber doesn't become obsolete, its *very* scalable which is half the reason we want it!!
No, I'm not saying that - I'm saying what Labor is doing ($11 billion to Telstra) is a good move - it covers them. NBN + Telstra infrastructure = lots of room to move.
I will be voting greens, don't you worry about that.
But, we both know they won't get in. We need a massive change in society to let the Greens in. Everyone will vote Labor or Lib's, then give it a few months or a year and there'll be complaints.
No matter what we do - they'll screw us into the ground. Roads, and boat people get more attention than hospitals and the NBN.
Instead of spending multiple billions of dollars on a few highway extensions or underpasses to save commuters 5 minutes in traffic, why not throw that at hospitals or health care or working parents?
It really doesn't matter what we do, but I can guarantee green's won't get in - doesn't mean I won't vote for them tho.
Yeah I don't think many people really expect the Greens to get elected this year - the idea is to get more seats in Paliament so there is more debate in to some of the ridiculous policies both sides of Government (Libs+Lab) are proposing.
@gaiamind All very good but in 10 years time you don't know what new technology will be around. My argument is that yes we would all like the fiber but at A$43 Billion I don't think it's worthwhile investment at the current moment.
The Defence Force budget for this year is 42billion (roughly). That's equal to the entire building of the NBN in just ONE YEAR of funding. The NBN was estimated to cost around $42billion - a figure that came out two years ago. You must also remember that it's 42billion spread out over 5+ years.
@gaiamind and what's more important here? Protection, or something that's not going to bring anywhere near the kind of benefit to the economy that some people are implying
vote greens, even if they give prefs to labor.. that will mean 1) NBN for all! + greens blocking filter in senate = WIN! it's the only solution for those who truly love fast & free internets.
@gaiamind Unfortunately, you're not at all accurate. The NBN is being constructed around GPON technology, which is not new. It's not scalable and is *not* what would be considered true "FTTH". It's a shared medium, much like Cable and DOSCIS 3 is.
NBN will be redundant very quickly IMHO. Libs don't have it, Labor don't have it. It's all a farce
And it's Fibre, not Fiber. We're not in America ;)
What "is" obsolete is the rapidly corroding copper pair gain that represents most of our last mile infrastructure. And under the Liberals plan most of that shit-hose last mile will still be around in 7yrs.
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I'm in favor of a cheaper A$6.3 Billion plan and having it compete with everyone else with open access rather than spending A$43 Billion to completely roll out this NBN over the next 5 to 7 years only to find out that it is now completely obsolete and superseded by some newer and unprecedented technology.
@mindPlus
Hi, to upgrade speeds of fiber technology @ the switch end it's (usually) just as simple as upgrading what we call 'gBic controllers' which are tiny cards that control the encapsulation speeds of fiber-optics. This means, to upgrade from 100mbps to 10gbps takes 1 tech around 30minutes to install :) I'll make it even clearer - Fiber doesn't become obsolete, its *very* scalable which is half the reason we want it!!
@gaiamind
+1
@gaiamind -
No, I'm not saying that - I'm saying what Labor is doing ($11 billion to Telstra) is a good move - it covers them. NBN + Telstra infrastructure = lots of room to move.
I will be voting greens, don't you worry about that.
But, we both know they won't get in. We need a massive change in society to let the Greens in. Everyone will vote Labor or Lib's, then give it a few months or a year and there'll be complaints.
No matter what we do - they'll screw us into the ground. Roads, and boat people get more attention than hospitals and the NBN.
Instead of spending multiple billions of dollars on a few highway extensions or underpasses to save commuters 5 minutes in traffic, why not throw that at hospitals or health care or working parents?
It really doesn't matter what we do, but I can guarantee green's won't get in - doesn't mean I won't vote for them tho.
Underdog FTW
@anthony256
Yeah I don't think many people really expect the Greens to get elected this year - the idea is to get more seats in Paliament so there is more debate in to some of the ridiculous policies both sides of Government (Libs+Lab) are proposing.
@gaiamind All very good but in 10 years time you don't know what new technology will be around. My argument is that yes we would all like the fiber but at A$43 Billion I don't think it's worthwhile investment at the current moment.
@mindPlus
The Defence Force budget for this year is 42billion (roughly). That's equal to the entire building of the NBN in just ONE YEAR of funding. The NBN was estimated to cost around $42billion - a figure that came out two years ago. You must also remember that it's 42billion spread out over 5+ years.
@gaiamind and what's more important here? Protection, or something that's not going to bring anywhere near the kind of benefit to the economy that some people are implying
@anthony256
vote greens, even if they give prefs to labor.. that will mean
1) NBN for all! + greens blocking filter in senate = WIN!
it's the only solution for those who truly love fast & free internets.
@gaiamind
Unfortunately, you're not at all accurate. The NBN is being constructed around GPON technology, which is not new. It's not scalable and is *not* what would be considered true "FTTH". It's a shared medium, much like Cable and DOSCIS 3 is.
NBN will be redundant very quickly IMHO. Libs don't have it, Labor don't have it. It's all a farce
And it's Fibre, not Fiber. We're not in America ;)
Damnit forgot the important part. Link to how GPON works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPON
@gaiamind Exactly. What's faster than light...
@gaiamind
+1 yup,
What "is" obsolete is the rapidly corroding copper pair gain that represents most of our last mile infrastructure.
And under the Liberals plan most of that shit-hose last mile will still be around in 7yrs.