@DanH Yup. If you're going for the 18-34 year old males out there, then a little kid is dressing down a young adult for his gaming habits is a strange way to go. If you're going for the middle/high school audience it makes a little more sense, but it's still weird.
Also, I think we should replace the term 'core games' with 'big boy games.'
@DanH Does anyone else think that, perhaps, these marketing ploys are actually instilling the idea of the iPhone being a competitor? I'm not convinced that anyone who bought an iPhone or iPod Touch wouldn't buy a DS or PSP if they were going to anyway.
@LinksAwakener Exactly. Anecdotal evidence, but I know people who own both devices. Maybe the idea is that the iPod Touch and gaming on a phone in general is great, but the PSP is a true gaming device to play excellent games on.
NOW! That's not to say that the development for these phone games are simply casual. Why just the other day we saw that highly detailed 60 FPS game for the iPhone. It's saying that right now, a DS or a PSP still holds the mantle for handheld gaming.
@Center I was excited about and Android based PSP too, but the editors at IGN had a really good article on it, and most thought it was a bad idea. The Android market is very crowded and competitive. If a large phone contract is attached to the PSP, it will most definitely hurt sales. Given the initial specs available, it would actually be less powerful than the current PSP, and it is perceived as a step backwards. It might hurt the Playstation brand.
It seemed like a no-can-lose situation, but those are some big drawbacks. I could imagine them doing Sony-Ericson phone with playstation branding, but it won't be a sequel to the PSP creating fragmentation. Well... it is definitely complicated quite a few things to consider.
There is no comparison. It isn't just the iPhone either. Android, WP7, etc, etc will all fall significantly short of the PSP/DSi for the simple reason there aren't physical keys (at least that usable for gaming).
I'm thinking about the crappiest PSP game I own. It still trounces the best iPod Touch game I have. No comparison. Until add ons that provide for physical buttons are mass marketed, phone gaming will never be better than a simple time waster while waiting to get your hair cut.
@DanH You have to keep in mind the iPhone and Andriod phones weren't designed to play video games.The PSP was. The fact that my phone comes even close to the quality of a lot of PSP games is incredible. It's also nice they only cost around $5.
@bjsguess Physical keys are still important. Look at the upcoming PSP phone (which will make this commercial seem a bit ironic when it debutes), it's gonna have physical buttons for gaming just like the PSP will. For now, these substitutions like Gyroscope controls are pretty acceptable, but for here http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/cp-designs-iphone-game-pad-prototype-does-donkey-kong-country-r/ I imagine it's gonna be complicated and compact to play a game like that without physical buttons.
@loocas Don't get me wrong i liked the ad. Because i like Sony, but i have a feeling the only reason a lot of you like it is because it is bashing the iPhone. WELL GUESS WHAT? It's bashing all phones with apps including android. Just keep that in mind.
The ad is actually funny. It's PSP games that kinda suck. Haven't played my first gen PSP in 3 years, got tired of paying $30-40 for crap games. Sony is going to have to step it up big time if they want my business back. Oh, and my brand new Sony LCD has a whole bunch of ghosting and flashlighting...damn you Sony, damn you all to hell!
He's schooling the lame "hip" adult with the bike, manbag, layers or clothing thinking he's cool with his iPhone accessory. Now a kid is clowning him and now doesn't feel so hip with his simple gaming iphone.
Can someone please explain how a PSP with a much lower resolution display than the iPhone 4 (480 x 272 pixels vs. the iPhone 4's 960 x 640 pixels... less than 1/4 the resolution) and much slower CPU (333MHz vs. the iPhone 4's 1GHz CPU... only 1/3 the speed), makes the PSP a better gaming machine?
In addition, the PSP has a dimmer display, is less pocket-friendly, has no built-in storage, has a much lower battery life, and is basically just a game player and can't offer the many other functions of the iPhone 4.
@axemachine: "What? You don't have a PSP for real gaming?"
Can you please explain how a PSP with a much lower resolution display than the iPhone 4 (480 x 272 pixels vs. the iPhone 4's 960 x 640 pixels... less than 1/4 the resolution) and much slower CPU (333MHz vs. the iPhone 4's 1GHz CPU... only 1/3 the speed), makes the PSP a better gaming machine?
In addition, the PSP has a dimmer display, is less pocket-friendly, has no built-in storage, has a much lower battery life, and is basically just a game player and can't offer the many other functions of the iPhone 4.
@DanH Wow. Same here. After I beat FF Tactics, I traded all of my psp stuff into Gamestop. All my portable gaming is done on my iPod Touch. Very little load times and my commute gaming doesn't have to be that serious. Power off and resume the same games with no problems.
@LinksAwakener Well they are going to be releasing a PSP phone according to engadget's own article, so maybe they are doing some prep work for the brand.
@bjsguess GameGripper and PSP emu for Android come to mind? You can totally enjoy the experience on a smartphone that was had on a PS1 albeit with a much smaller screen.
Oh, and have you forgotten about the ability to do bluetooth gamepads? Right now the only thing holding back 'big boy games' is the missing hardware for heavy gaming. Should that creep into a smartphone, it's more than reasonable to think it would take off. Someone is going to meet Sony at the pass here.
@iPhone 4 I agree a PSP android phone wouldnt be the best of ideas. What they should do is something similar to what Windows is doing with WP7. Sony should work with Google to create an app that can allow you to interact with your playstation as well as some exclusives that can be played on the phone. This would allow Google and Sony to compete with MP7, Apples soon to come GameCenter and Nokia/Nintendo's whatever they are working on.
Things i would create for the phone to work with the PS3 are the following:
-Account management -Bluetooth Remote -Some PSP Games (once phone mature and have more processing power) -Playstation store purchases such as movies, games, etc -Playstation Home intergration
@iPhone 4 Hmm, thanks I'll look for that IGN article. Although I'm excited about the potential of the Sony Ericsson Droid PSP (or whatever they'll call it), I am a little concerned with how it will be executed design-wise and such. But I can still dream...
@rossmcg Because they are starting to chip away at their sales. PSPs are meant for middle to high school kids, the games just aren't that much better than what you would get on an itouch, and not even close to to the DS.
It was hilarious...sony knows what they are doing watch the playstion move concept well migrate to that hybrid phone they're developing and still play the big boy games from the psp download library as well. Just watch.....controlling move games with the phone...awesome marketing..go open or go home
I'm a fairly "hardcore" gamer. I have two 360's (old and new), a PS3 Slim, a PSP and an iPhone 4. I mainly use my 360's for gaming (Gears, Halo, Red Dead, CoD, XBL Arcade, ect), unless I'm playing a PS3 exclusive like Uncharted and God of War. And I use my iPhone, if I want to game while on the go. I can't remember the last time I played my PSP. There just is no reason to anymore. On the iPhone4 the games just look better, they are way less expensive, and Devs have done amazing things with the touch and accelerometer interface.
Kids == games == parent BUY them == parent use an iPhone (which advertises lots of casual games) == parent thinks iphone is better than PSP == parent's dictates kids needs from iSmugness == kid with iPhone parent BUYS.
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Marketing fail.
@DanH
What? You don't have a PSP for real gaming?
@DanH
You're joking, right?!? I have an iP4 and no PSP (I don't really game) but that was hilarious!!!
$9.99 SUCKAAAAA!!!!
@DanH This could be the first volley against Apple as Sony is prepping the Android+PSP phone.
hahaha Marketing win!
DanH fail.
@Center
I liked how the game is called" lame Castle" on the phone too
@DanH Yup. If you're going for the 18-34 year old males out there, then a little kid is dressing down a young adult for his gaming habits is a strange way to go. If you're going for the middle/high school audience it makes a little more sense, but it's still weird.
Also, I think we should replace the term 'core games' with 'big boy games.'
@Center My thoughts precisely,
@axemachine Can't think of the last game I wanted to play on a PSP... Final Fantasy Tactics in 2007?
@DanH Does anyone else think that, perhaps, these marketing ploys are actually instilling the idea of the iPhone being a competitor? I'm not convinced that anyone who bought an iPhone or iPod Touch wouldn't buy a DS or PSP if they were going to anyway.
@axemachine iPhone killer?
@LinksAwakener Exactly. Anecdotal evidence, but I know people who own both devices. Maybe the idea is that the iPod Touch and gaming on a phone in general is great, but the PSP is a true gaming device to play excellent games on.
NOW! That's not to say that the development for these phone games are simply casual. Why just the other day we saw that highly detailed 60 FPS game for the iPhone. It's saying that right now, a DS or a PSP still holds the mantle for handheld gaming.
@Center I was excited about and Android based PSP too, but the editors at IGN had a really good article on it, and most thought it was a bad idea. The Android market is very crowded and competitive. If a large phone contract is attached to the PSP, it will most definitely hurt sales. Given the initial specs available, it would actually be less powerful than the current PSP, and it is perceived as a step backwards. It might hurt the Playstation brand.
It seemed like a no-can-lose situation, but those are some big drawbacks. I could imagine them doing Sony-Ericson phone with playstation branding, but it won't be a sequel to the PSP creating fragmentation. Well... it is definitely complicated quite a few things to consider.
@N900
There is no comparison. It isn't just the iPhone either. Android, WP7, etc, etc will all fall significantly short of the PSP/DSi for the simple reason there aren't physical keys (at least that usable for gaming).
I'm thinking about the crappiest PSP game I own. It still trounces the best iPod Touch game I have. No comparison. Until add ons that provide for physical buttons are mass marketed, phone gaming will never be better than a simple time waster while waiting to get your hair cut.
@DanH You have to keep in mind the iPhone and Andriod phones weren't designed to play video games.The PSP was. The fact that my phone comes even close to the quality of a lot of PSP games is incredible. It's also nice they only cost around $5.
@bjsguess The whole point of the rumoured PSP phone is that it has physical buttons...
Why don't people read up on stuff before commenting ?
@bjsguess Physical keys are still important. Look at the upcoming PSP phone (which will make this commercial seem a bit ironic when it debutes), it's gonna have physical buttons for gaming just like the PSP will. For now, these substitutions like Gyroscope controls are pretty acceptable, but for here http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/cp-designs-iphone-game-pad-prototype-does-donkey-kong-country-r/ I imagine it's gonna be complicated and compact to play a game like that without physical buttons.
@Center Not only that but Microsoft is linking Windows Phone 7 with the XBox Live which could result in both Sony Ericsson sales and PS3.
Seriously, this ad is so cool I watched it several times! Now, THAT is good marketing!
@DanH
Tbh, the fact that they have to denigrate and misrepresent the iPhone like this shows that Sony (and likely Nintendo as well) are pooping their pants.
@loocas Don't get me wrong i liked the ad. Because i like Sony, but i have a feeling the only reason a lot of you like it is because it is bashing the iPhone. WELL GUESS WHAT? It's bashing all phones with apps including android. Just keep that in mind.
@DanH
Then came Windows Phone 7 which has the best of both world.
The ad is actually funny. It's PSP games that kinda suck. Haven't played my first gen PSP in 3 years, got tired of paying $30-40 for crap games. Sony is going to have to step it up big time if they want my business back. Oh, and my brand new Sony LCD has a whole bunch of ghosting and flashlighting...damn you Sony, damn you all to hell!
@SpacePenguinBot
He's schooling the lame "hip" adult with the bike, manbag, layers or clothing thinking he's cool with his iPhone accessory. Now a kid is clowning him and now doesn't feel so hip with his simple gaming iphone.
I like it.
@DanH
Can someone please explain how a PSP with a much lower resolution display than the iPhone 4 (480 x 272 pixels vs. the iPhone 4's 960 x 640 pixels... less than 1/4 the resolution) and much slower CPU (333MHz vs. the iPhone 4's 1GHz CPU... only 1/3 the speed), makes the PSP a better gaming machine?
In addition, the PSP has a dimmer display, is less pocket-friendly, has no built-in storage, has a much lower battery life, and is basically just a game player and can't offer the many other functions of the iPhone 4.
@axemachine How many of the last PSP did Sony sell? Oh...
@DanH
The name of the guy in the video was edited to JOSH ROSE ...it was actually "JOSHUA .TOP..." ;)
@Center
doesn't the Sony gaming phone do the same things as the iPhone?
@axemachine: "What? You don't have a PSP for real gaming?"
Can you please explain how a PSP with a much lower resolution display than the iPhone 4 (480 x 272 pixels vs. the iPhone 4's 960 x 640 pixels... less than 1/4 the resolution) and much slower CPU (333MHz vs. the iPhone 4's 1GHz CPU... only 1/3 the speed), makes the PSP a better gaming machine?
In addition, the PSP has a dimmer display, is less pocket-friendly, has no built-in storage, has a much lower battery life, and is basically just a game player and can't offer the many other functions of the iPhone 4.
@Spongecake
DS has better games...
and I agree that iPod does too.
-sent from my iPod
@ViewRoyal
and yet the PSP has better graphic and control buttons
@DanH Wow. Same here. After I beat FF Tactics, I traded all of my psp stuff into Gamestop. All my portable gaming is done on my iPod Touch. Very little load times and my commute gaming doesn't have to be that serious. Power off and resume the same games with no problems.
@DanH I am still trying to figure out how to stuff my xbox 360 in my pocket. Until then, I am satisfied sitting on the couch.
@LinksAwakener
Well they are going to be releasing a PSP phone according to engadget's own article, so maybe they are doing some prep work for the brand.
@Gillz123 "and yet the PSP has better graphic and control buttons"
What's a graphic button?
Yes control buttons are physical, but people who have made the switch have adapted to onscreen controls, and find them more intuitive and precise.
@Center
Takes me back to the 90's:
"Sony does what iPhwon't."
@ViewRoyal
"gaming machine"
"just a game player"
HMMMMM. May have answered your own question there, champ.
@(Unverified)
Quoting me is no answer to my question at all.
Read the question, and then, if you have a good answer in response to the question I'd like to hear it.
@bjsguess GameGripper and PSP emu for Android come to mind? You can totally enjoy the experience on a smartphone that was had on a PS1 albeit with a much smaller screen.
Oh, and have you forgotten about the ability to do bluetooth gamepads? Right now the only thing holding back 'big boy games' is the missing hardware for heavy gaming. Should that creep into a smartphone, it's more than reasonable to think it would take off. Someone is going to meet Sony at the pass here.
@iPhone 4 I agree a PSP android phone wouldnt be the best of ideas. What they should do is something similar to what Windows is doing with WP7. Sony should work with Google to create an app that can allow you to interact with your playstation as well as some exclusives that can be played on the phone. This would allow Google and Sony to compete with MP7, Apples soon to come GameCenter and Nokia/Nintendo's whatever they are working on.
Things i would create for the phone to work with the PS3 are the following:
-Account management
-Bluetooth Remote
-Some PSP Games (once phone mature and have more processing power)
-Playstation store purchases such as movies, games, etc
-Playstation Home intergration
@iPhone 4 Hmm, thanks I'll look for that IGN article. Although I'm excited about the potential of the Sony Ericsson Droid PSP (or whatever they'll call it), I am a little concerned with how it will be executed design-wise and such. But I can still dream...
@DanH
Someone at Sony must have seen Carmack's recent demonstration....
@raredesign
Agreed lol
@Center
But why trashing phone gaming then ?
@rossmcg Because they are starting to chip away at their sales. PSPs are meant for middle to high school kids, the games just aren't that much better than what you would get on an itouch, and not even close to to the DS.
It was hilarious...sony knows what they are doing watch the playstion move concept well migrate to that hybrid phone they're developing and still play the big boy games from the psp download library as well. Just watch.....controlling move games with the phone...awesome marketing..go open or go home
I'm a fairly "hardcore" gamer. I have two 360's (old and new), a PS3 Slim, a PSP and an iPhone 4. I mainly use my 360's for gaming (Gears, Halo, Red Dead, CoD, XBL Arcade, ect), unless I'm playing a PS3 exclusive like Uncharted and God of War. And I use my iPhone, if I want to game while on the go. I can't remember the last time I played my PSP. There just is no reason to anymore. On the iPhone4 the games just look better, they are way less expensive, and Devs have done amazing things with the touch and accelerometer interface.
@LinksAwakener
Kids == games == parent BUY them == parent use an iPhone (which advertises lots of casual games) == parent thinks iphone is better than PSP == parent's dictates kids needs from iSmugness == kid with iPhone parent BUYS.
Sony's got the right approach... actually.
@axemachine
For real gaming i have an xbox. psp is a joke along with the ds. but gameboys are still dope.
@bjsguess I play SSF 4 fine on my virtua D-Pad on my iphone.