XP on MacTel is official: narf gets paid
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Seeing as how Windows can support so many different hardward configurations, I would say they are NOT writing buggy code at all...
I really see no point in someone trying to correct someone else's spelling, this is not a spelling class. This is a really good forum about technology and not spelling.
funetik:
you mean webster don't you?
Finally !!! Virii, spyware, and more: all on a Mac !!!
Thank God. I was so sick of hearing everybody screaming "omg ive never seen a windowz logo on a gray screen before! wtf is that? its fake! im a dumbass and refuse to consider for 3 seconds that narf has created a custom boot loader!!! lolz"
cant wait to get a mac book pro and put windows on it and walk in to my apple store and walk over to the genius bar, and be like, "I have a question about this piece of software. See it looks like this.." and then turn the computer around and show him windows booting. It will be ownage.
Now les work on making osx fully compatible with windows pc's.. Ive got this 3ghz media center that needs a real OS....:) (Sorry Gates, I love my 360 though)...
Meanwhile a non-American solution to all this grows and grows and grows...
Ubuntu
#46 : "Noone really uses American English outside of North America."
i doubt he was referring to strict physical continental borders. anyone who does in the 21st freaking century (and on a gadget site no less!) should start rethinking their view of the world. and start thinking of the internet/virtual world. the one where most stuff happens these days.
quick examples:
American CRITISIZE = 31,200,000
British CRITISISE = 7,220,000
American COLOR = 1,310,000,000
British COLOUR = 200,000,000
American CHECK / BANK CHECK = 3,740,000,000 / 205,000,000
British CHEQUE = 49,800,000
even with it specified as BANK CHECK (due to multiple meanings of CHECK alone)... it beats out CHEQUE by a wide margin.
that is just using the quick and dirty Google-as-Corpus that actual real-life linguists use.
so yeah... it's totally obvious that ONLY North America (what about Canada? no love?) uses CHECK and *everyone* else in the whole world is using proper the British English CHEQUE.
quite. obvious. indeed.
like a previous poster stated... i can't recall the last time i went to a UK-based site and started bitching about the spelling. i understand the writers are most likely English... in freaking England. it has never even crossed my mind to complain about their version of English (that i am FULLY AWARE exists... not like the different spellings were a surprise to me) being *ever so slightly different* than mine.
such a thing honestly is quite RUDE. a thing i see people accusing Americans of quite frequently.
and for fun:
DEFINITELY = 251,000,000
DEFINATELY = 26,400,000
PROBABLY = 798,000,000
PROBALLY = 1,330,000
thanks!
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and... i hope those instructions get posted soon. i'm itching to try it out on my MacBook Pro... though honestly i might just wait until someone gets a good virtualization app working.
what would be really cool. and that i understand is *possible* under VMWare under Linux... is running BOTH virtualization AND dual booting. meaning the way the disk is set up... you can either pop open a VMWare window under the host OS to run Windows *or* you can also boot directly into the same exact partition and run Windows completely on it's own.
that would be the absolute most useful option were it ever possible.
#25 "Since I'm from the UK and speak the Queen's (proper) English, I'd say it should be cheque too."
As a linguist I'd say what you "speak" has actually ZERO to do with how you "spell things"--you don't pronounce "check" any differently and if one thing has been shown about orthographical systems (I'm looking at you Japan/China and other systems with pictograms) is they are 100% arbitrary, lacking any empirical evidence of one system being better than another.
All else, espeically in this case, is just pure snobbery. The fact is in *any* variety of written English there is not a one-to-one phoneme-grapheme correspondence so spelling is arbitrary. End of story you arrogant pricks.
in Canada we adapt what we feel is best of either 'language'....
so it's cheque, colour, and critiCize!! (with a C...)
it's nice when you live in a country that understands there are shades of gray/grey and everything is not black or white!
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i'm SO looking forward to being able to boot either OS...thanks for the good news!
Considering 'American English' is a contradiction in terms, lets just leave it that:
* Cheque is the English spelling (and 'International English' therefore); and
* Check is the American interpretation (similar to George W Bush being the interpretation of President...)
Ok, enough already... Many congrats to Narf and Blanka - they deserve so much gratitude.
"Noone really uses American English outside of North America."
Might want to visit Japan, China, Korea, or pretty much any Asian country sometime, because American English is what's taught in all of them.
It is true that various British or Australian colloquialisms and slang work their way into Japanese English (words like "reckon", though that's also used heavily in the American south), but generally they are taught the same English that American schoolkids are taught. Some people there even call this "Orthodox English", and there is a movement to cleanse what little Australian and British English has found its way into the lexicon there. (This is sort of a hardline position; most people don't really care that much.)
Even if American English was only used in America, though, there would still be way more native American English speakers than native speakers of any other style. It would still be the dominant form of English. Put the UK, Australia and Canada together and you haven't even hit half the English-speaking US population yet.
btw, you will notice that even though I'm American, I put my periods and commas outside my quotation marks. Some of the grammar we use here in the US just makes no sense, so I revert to the more logical British style.
In the immortal words of Pinky, "Narfrageous!" Seriously good job y'all.
Let's officially welcome Macintosh computers to the wide world of incessant and never ending bouts of viral infections!
caveat: I know that through Virtual PC Macintosh computers have been infected... but this obviously brings it to a whole new plain..
YEAH!!! Everyone's can be on an equal sub-plain finally!!! heheh
-Scott
Non-native English speakers are to be admired for their dedication to literacy in such a strange and convoluted language.
That said -- the actual English (UK) folks also need to chill out about the sanctity of their "Queen's English". English has changed significantly since its inception and continues to do so. (Read: Early, Middle, Modern, Post-Modern(?)).
"The thrustelcok made eek hir lay, The wode dove upon the spray she sang ful loude and cleere." / Chaucer 1390 AD.
How the hell did this post turn into bickering English lesson?
Oh, and congrats to the winners. Time to get a MacBook Pro.
File and Instructions mirrored:
http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/03/5687/
Questions for Anyone who knows the answers--
1. Can it be easily dual booted between mac and pc??
2. Do all the mac system components work under the xp system (eg. any net cards, vid cards, etc...)
3. Is it fast under XP????
Now we just need a similar contest to have Windows programs run simultaneously within the MacOS without having to Dual Boot. Wouldn't bother me at all to give the good folks DarWine a kick in the ass/help in completing their glorious task ;D
So... how about a bet on how long it takes Apple to do a "neccesary" upgrade or whatever to send this solution down the river to meet Hades?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Steve's office right now.
Hopefully now we will be able to make the transition from Mac to Windows more easily.
Did you read about Gates not liking the Negroponte new cheap computers?
Here
http://www.devicetodevice.com
For the record...blanka deserves all the credit for this hack. He did all the heavy lifting.
See that little thing in the URL at the top: .COM
This being a North American hosted site, read by a mainly North American audience, and utilizing a majority of American developed technologies, how dare they be so f#$*ing stupid as to follow American usage of the word check... jeez some people.
Wow - a check! I want one of those. Learn to spell people. CHEQUE, learn to spell.
And you wonder why Eurotrash, such as yourself, is hated the world over.
Good job, now make XP run in a VM, and I'm sold.
js, #48: "Now let's see what Apple would do to keep this happening again when announcing the intel iBook. heh."
Apple has already said what thy'll do. Nothing. Here's Phill Schiller, from an interview at the WWDC shortly after Steve Jobs's announcement:
'After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." - 06/06/2005'
Schiller repeated more or less the same statement in another interview following the January release of the iMac and MacBook Pro.
Blanka or Narf, how about a quick comment on where things stand for the 20" iMac?
I heard they were sending him a Czech in the mail. ;)
The instructions are clear and work exactly as advertised. I tried it this evening and found the boot loader pretty sweet. The downside is that another contest is in order to write APM, network, PCI and wireless drivers. With Windows installed per the instructions, there are no network drivers (which can be bypassed by using a USB ethernet adapter) no resetting the video resolution (at least on an Intel Mac Mini) etc, etc. I installed MS Office 2003 and the machine screams - BUT without the network, there is some room to grow. If Windows continues to run as it does now on an Intel based Mac (IBM), it is a great contender to Sony and Dell. the performance is awesome on a Mac Mini 1.66 GHz, 512 MB computer. Can someone scrape up another 13k and divy it up on a per driver basis??? This is worth a try for anyone with an IBM. (Don't be scared!)
Invisible Hand of Capitalism... Adam Smith :) I wish more people would read him :)
You're absolutely right.... Now maybe we should try this whole Capitalism thing a few other places...
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!
How old are you guy? You're arguing about capitalization and British vs. American English. I wish I had such important things to worry about. The comments are to comment about the story, NOT to bitch like little girls to each other and try to show your grammatical superiority. You are idiots. Let it go.
Great job figuring out a double-boot on the system not using BIOS. I am hesitant, however, about instaling XP on my MacBook Pro since the systems would not talk to each other. I would rather see Apple coming out with a new version of Virtual PC, compited to run natively on x86 so can can drag files between OSX and XP. As to the hardware and software comments. I buy mac for OS X primarly, put Windows on it and I am switching to Linux tomorrow. I am biased of course because I am a Java developer, the UNIX part of OS X just makes a lot of sense to me: speed, stability, security. For other users Windows may be better solution, not for me. As to Apple hardware: double-core 64bit Intel 2Ghz in a laptop so thin, coupled with the os that uses that 64bit... lets not complain much about Apple here.
wow, it got all the way to 20 before people started fighting..... what were hippies thinking. Anyways, I can't wait to see benchmarks between these babies and some real powerhouse Athlon 64 and overclocked opteron systems. I think I saw better engineered systems, referring to apple somewhere..... I hope you're talking about the case or something because the CPU was the last non PC component left..... and then you could go to Xoxide.com and get something really pretty.
Maybe I'm stretching the term engineered, I guess the Kia Rio might be better engineered then a Dodge Ram, but I'd still take the Dodge Ram.
Don't bother tearing me apart, I never really post and absolutely never read back later.
#83, the dual core CPU used in the new Mac is not 64 bit. Nor do I believe OS X for Intel to be 64 bit as it wouldn't make any kind of sense to run a 64 bit OS on a 32 bit CPU.
The Intel CPU do have some kind of >32 bit memory extention to be able to address more than 4 GB. Don't know much about this although.
As far as capitalism at work here helping to get this project done so quickly, I would bet that many programers out there may have been gambling with when to release the solution. The sooner you release, less money you get, or wait to long for the pot to grow bigger and get nothing. The idea of captialism may have kept the solution in the bag longer than nessisary ;)
i wish the solution could be a vmware virtual machine that can load osx or xp... especially now that vmware server is free.
that would be very hot.
#46.
If you have ever been to Canada... we do not use American english. It is Cheque, not Check. Centre, not Center, and it's Criticize, not Critisize.
We are proud of our beavers, we don't live in igloos, and based on my own experience travelling through the USA, my 19 year old brother could drink a whole bar full of you under the table in less than an hour.
P.S.>> I still can't imagine why anyone would actually want to run Windows on a Mac. Have you ever tried to upgrade an iBook?
You guys are wasting to much time on the way a word is spelled. The person that did the spell check, did you not understand what he meant. People that were born here are not very good spellers.