Sony puts up Blu-ray player BDP-S1 for pre-order

It's been quite the Blu-ray party today, what with the LF-MB121JD from Panasonic, the BRD-UM2 and BRD-AM2B from IODATA, and that decisive word from Panasonic's CEO that dashed any hopes left for talks between the Blu-ray and HD DVD camps. Now Sony is joining the club with the pre-order availability of their BDP-S1 Blu-ray player. That's the good news. The bad news is that the unit will be going for the expected $1000, and has a targeted availability of August 15th. Sure, all that 1080p, multi channel digital audio, and HDMI action is still here, but Sony sure isn't driving that hard of a bargain.

[Thanks, Delerious]

[Ryan Kuba @ Apr 21st 2006 8:17PM]

Betamax , Memory stick , Minidisc , UMD , and now Blu-Ray ,sweet sony .

[Jeff Thompson @ Apr 21st 2006 8:22PM]

And this thing won't play CDs. Who at Sony decided that was ok?

[Logan L. @ Apr 21st 2006 8:30PM]

sony is just a group of wishful thinkers... i read a good article about it at http://dirtstache.com//article.php?story=20060421152306197 i recommend checking it out.

[123 @ Apr 21st 2006 8:32PM]

Blu-Ray will most likely be the dominant format, unlike their other proprietary formats. The HD DVD and early Blu-Ray players will only sell to a small niche market. In November of this year at the PlayStation 3 launch, there will be a million Blu-Ray players in homes around the world instantly, and that will be with massive shortages. Remember that more studios are backing Blu-Ray also. The only thing that can save HD DVD is its buzzword infested name.

[hmurchison @ Apr 21st 2006 8:34PM]

123 at those prices Blu Ray isn't going to dominant anything but the bank accounts of a few foolish people.

[123 @ Apr 21st 2006 8:46PM]

@ hmurchison

Well, Blu-Ray movies are the same prices as HD DVD movies if you look on Amazon. Yes, HD DVD has the cost advantage now for players ($500 vs $1000), but the PlayStation 3 will sell for $500 or less, and that's with a game console.

[jamaicanbwoydre @ Apr 21st 2006 8:50PM]

Holy Crap what was that sound??!!?! Oh neva mind , thats was just Sony shooting themselves in the foot by pricing their new Blu-Ray Player so high. Geez, that sure is a lot of blood, never mind the screams, they've released a lot of formats, they're used to the pain.

[Thill @ Apr 21st 2006 8:56PM]

@#4

Just like UMD movies are flying off the shelf for the millions of PSP players out there? Just because there are millions of PS3's on the market, does not mean that everyone will be rushing out to play movies.

By the time people pay $600 for a PS3, another $100 for add-ons and extra controllers, and $60-70 for games, there will not be enough money left to buy $20-30 movies...

Bottomline, just becasue the PS3 may sell well does not mean that Sony will win the format war be default. Also, you have to wonder what HD-DVD players will be selling for in early 07 when the the average Joe can actually go buy a PS3. If the PS3 is selling for $599? entry-level HD-DVD players may be selling for signifcantly less ($300-400). Time will tell. In the meantime, I am waiting....

[kibets @ Apr 21st 2006 9:06PM]

come on people, no one above the age of 12 watches movies on their video game! the face ps3 may have blu ray is meaningless. my vot goes to hd dvd.

[123 @ Apr 21st 2006 9:07PM]

@ Thill

Well, the reason UMD Video discs didn't sell was because they were awful. Who would pay more than a DVD for a movie with no extras that could only be played on a PSP? Not many.

Blu-Ray is different. The demographic that will be buying PS3s is the same demographic that is or will be interested in high-definition movies. Look at the Xbox 360, if you look around at various game sites, polls show that more than half of Xbox 360 owners already have HDTVs and most of the other half are planning to buy one soon. The same will be true with the PS3. These people will most likely know that the console is a Blu-Ray player and proceed to buy films for it.

[Desides @ Apr 21st 2006 9:13PM]

"9. come on people, no one above the age of 12 watches movies on their video game! the face ps3 may have blu ray is meaningless. my vot goes to hd dvd."

Say what? The PS2 was instrumental in DVD's success.

[Bryan @ Apr 21st 2006 9:38PM]

@ #1 I'm all for piling up on Sony for their recent decisions, but not where it isn't warranted. The error in including UMD's in your list of proprietary formats is that the PSP is a portable and specialized product. Every single gaming system uses specialized disks, so why don't they draw any criticism? I suspect it is the availability of UMD movies that brings out the claims of it being a closed format. Cd's and DVD's play on the PS2 and Xbox because their media is all the same physical size, but the PSP and Gamecube need a different format. UMD movies have failed in the market solely due to their pricing, but they are only there as an option since you can always transcode a DVD for a memory stick.

[Synergy @ Apr 21st 2006 10:00PM]

Sorry 10 you are wrong.
Don't look at early adopter demographics, because they are different. If Sony sells 30-40 millions PS3s no, half of them will not be HDTV buyers just because of the PS3. They are gamers many kids who get their parents to buy them the machine.
Not to mention the fact the 1000 sony blu-ray disc will make the ps3 blu-ray player look like a cheap vending machine toy. Most people with non-HD sets will not see any advantage of HDDVD or BRDVD to justify them buying more High def discs.

[Ag @ Apr 21st 2006 10:01PM]

>>Betamax , Memory stick , Minidisc , UMD , and now Blu-Ray ,sweet sony .

Yes, and Sony have also been responsible for some of the most succesful formats around, they created the 3.5" floppy disk and CD-ROM (along with Phillips). And the DVD was a merger between Sony/Phillips MMCD and Matsushita/Toshiba's Super Density disks.

Also should mention that Blu-ray isn't only Sony's format, other players such as Matsushita/Phillips/Sharp/Pioneer/etc are also part of the consortium.

Uneducated Sony bashing is becoming plain tiresome, besides nobody is going to buy a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player except theather aficianados, if people get a Blu-ray player with their PS3 then they may buy Blu-ray movies, but most people aren't going to go out of their way to buy either format.

[Hey Alex @ Apr 21st 2006 10:01PM]

Selling the PS3 does not guarantee adoption of Blu-Ray movies or media.

For mass adoption, you need to appeal to everyone, not just teenagers to 20 or 30 somethings. UMD suffered the same problem. Kids are notoriously fickle. UMD now seems more of a fad than an innovation.

Okay, so you have to convince the public that the new high defintion format is so much better than DVD you should upgrade. Which I think has yet to be accomplished. A lot of people have never even heard of Blu-Ray.

Then you have to get the public to buy new high definition TVs, which are still costly and let's be frank here, you don't buy a TV every day. I just bought one when my last one broke, and that one lasted about 15 years. Since most of the public does not have a HD TV, what's the point in buying a HD player?

For mass adoption, you need to get the public to buy a high defition player after they have the HD TV. Right now at $1000, you're not going to sell too many players. Below $500 is the sweet spot.

HD movies are more expensive than DVDs. So you have to convince the public it's worth spending the extra money. Early reports are saying that a $100 player with upconversion technology is just as good as a high definition player on most TVs.

The switch from DVD to HD DVD or Blu-Ray won't happen over night. It'll take years, and that's assuming we don't find a better way (digital downloads?)

And the one point everyone seems to discount... the cost of the PS3 may be so expensive, that it doesn't sell as well as the PS2 did in the past.

[embassy @ Apr 21st 2006 10:27PM]

for BLU RAY of HD DVD to be successful they will have to address an inconveinience in the avg consumers home...right now..there is no need for either..consumers are content with thier young DVD collections and new HD TVs...i dont see how u can force such a change when the proceeding format ( DVD) has been popular for wat...6 years or so??...thats crazy to me..DVDs addressed a popular inconveinience , which was VHS tapes in general , short life span , unreliability..hassle...and added convienient features like more capacity , smaller physical size , simple controls ( FF, RW) and a new GUI system that was easy to navigate..as well as the age of simple copying and re-writing...HD DVD/BLU RAY dont offer anything near that in-depth in terms of change..all it is for the most part..is a prettier picture..with cleaner sound, and even more copy-protection. the avg. person will not invest the money needed for such trivial features imo...

[SADDAM.COM is worth $1million? @ Apr 21st 2006 10:38PM]

I am thinking about buying saddam.com and reselling it for $1million to SONY. for their future war movies.

[Sean @ Apr 21st 2006 11:09PM]

@Ag (currently #13): Sony was also responsible for the walkman, but I'm glad someone else pointed our their successes.

Besides, both Betamax and Minidiscs were (are, as Minidiscs are still around) more advanced than their competition. I doubt Sony will have the same problem with Blu-Ray as they have seem to gone out and partnered with several companies this time ensuring they won't be the only ones making players for a 'closed' format.

Also, UMD is a failure because the discs aren't $10 or less, they have fewer features and battery life is an issue.

[mike @ Apr 21st 2006 11:20PM]

Betamax , Memory stick , Minidisc , UMD , and now Blu-Ray ,sweet sony

---

Nope. Everyone besides MS, Intel, and Hitachi are supporting this... (ie. one HW maker.. ONE...)

[embassy @ Apr 22nd 2006 1:47AM]

geezer..then tell me why there are more UMD movies than there are UMD games..???.....yeh...exactly...

[anthony @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:26AM]

Well, you guys don't understand that the UMD format is alot less space than just a single layer dvd, let alone a double layer dvd. Also, these UMD movies are formatted for a Sony PSP and not a widescreen tv, so you will NOT get the same quality no matter what you think. Regular DVD's already use one disc and sometimes two discs to put just a regular DVD on it. Plain and simple UMD format will Never be a valid format for movie watching on any TV.
Now for the BLUE RAY vs HDDVD releases. plain and simple, whoever has the most players to market first and the most Movie Studios support, WILL absolutely demolish any other format. PS3 will happen this November, there will be 3 to 4 million players to market in the span of a few months. The system will be sold out almost immediately. If you buy the PS3 to play on an anolog tube tv your history. It is not made for it..., but only for HDTV and will look the best only on this TV. Have you seen the XBOX 360 on a regular tv,,,,sorry graphics.

The format war is over, PS3 will make it over so fast your head will be spinning. BLUE RAY is THE WINNER.......

[JD @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:45AM]

embassy, because movies are cheaper to convert than to create a game. use that brain of yours.

[K MAN @ Apr 22nd 2006 3:47AM]

Walkman. Don't even mention it. That would be like saying that DMC makes good cars because they made the DeLorean. And where are they now?

I find this whole BluRay/HD DVD debate troublesome. How many consumers that owns not just HDTVs, but just big screen TVs watches DVDs on their PS2 or XBOX? not very many. only people that i found watching movies on their consoles are so far living in dorms.

I wrote an article a while back about Sony's mistakes in the past. And here are a few highlights.

Sony is now barely getting off their superiorist mentality that they control the electronics market. Hence their first MP3 players rolling off their lines in 2004. 6 years after the MP3 debut. They always thought that their proprietary format the ATRAC3 would beat the MP3. "NETWORK WALKMAN?" Please.

And UMD isn't doing so well because of limited features. not at all. The sales are lacking because most retailers were expecting a UMD supporting PS3. A PS3 that would upscale UMD movies just enough that you could watch it on your TV. UMD movies on your TVs would compare to regular DVDs in terms of quality on your TV. The PS3 was suppose to be the ultimate push for the UMD format. Later on releasing the BR-UMD.

But this isn't happening. And I've never heard of anyone actually playing "games" on their PSPs.

But here is what will make me buy a High Def player. DIVX 6.0 support. I have a upscaling Buffalo DVD player that's Divx certified. it displays divx movies that i've download on my HDTV at 720p. Upscalled ofcourse. this looks good. out of the thousands of movies that I've downloaded sitting on my buffalo NAS(Network Attached Storage), I can watch them straight off my NAS without burning the movies on the CD/DVD on my TV. Now if there were a HiDef player that supported networking with Divx, I would gladly pay $1000 for it.

In the era where every thing including my LG fridge is networked to the internet, why not my DVD player? I mean Aibo can surf my network. Wirelessly. buy not my DVD? this is stupid. this is just like not supporting MP3s and instead going for ATRAC3(and not just sony either, I've not seen an HD-DVD player networked).

I'm not spending a penny on a player that won't support the movies that I already have.

and 1080p? please. a human eye can only detect up to 30fps. just by "knowing" that a movie in front of me is playing at 60fps doesn't make battlefield earth any better to watch.

[Maff @ Apr 22nd 2006 10:11AM]

the sony bdp-s1=not released, so how can it be definatley released at $1000??

[Maff @ Apr 22nd 2006 10:16AM]

I play games on my psp, K Man, thats one.

[Jake @ Apr 22nd 2006 10:17AM]

I love how everyone talking about how the PS3 will be Sony's trojan horse fails to recollect 2 important things:
1) Watching DVDs on the PS2 was a JOKE. It was slow, there was no CONVENIENT remote control, and you got to witness every layer change on the disk for about 3 seconds. Do you really think that someone who spent $3000 on an HDTV is going to suffer watching movies on a clunky gaming console?

2) Even if they do, why would we discount the Xbox 360? We already know that existing boxes will support HD-DVD via add-on; smart money says that future boxes will either come bundled with the add-on for a modest (nowhere near $100 retail) price bump, or free. And the 360 might not be selling well in Japan, but here? And here is where the movie disc format war will be won or lost.

Oh, and "mike" (currently #19), um... so Thomson (RCA), Toshiba, LG (which is going with a dual-format player instead of a BD), HP, and Fujitsu don't count as "hardware manufacturers?" Please...

[David @ Apr 22nd 2006 10:53AM]

K-MAN: "and 1080p? please. a human eye can only detect up to 30fps."

Neither HD format can handle 1080p at 60fps. HD-DVD can only go up to 30 and Blu-ray is stuck at 24 (fine for film but not for video).

The BDA has unfortunately decided to include region locking for Blu-ray movies. HD-DVD is region-free.

[tekdroid @ Apr 22nd 2006 12:41PM]

early adopters, buy now to help fund the death of:

1) analogue outputs. All HD-DVD and Blu-Ray manufacturers must agree to the AACS licening agreement, which explicitly talks about an 'analogue sunset' period, after which time no analogue outputs will be included on the devices, only encrypted ones.
Share The Vision?
http://www.aacsla.com/home


2) fair use (DVD's CSS all over again)

3) ease-of-use

and help keep the content distribution cartels in business (and help fund their law-changing, granny-suing pursestrings) by buying early and buying often!
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31151

[K MAN @ Apr 22nd 2006 1:28PM]

Hey david,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E5KJDO/qid=1145726707/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-5320687-9567807?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

1080p movies (60fps) are already selling on amazon and bestbuy.

[gbx @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:00PM]

If people are really going to pay 1K for this I will thank them for "sponsoring" the research behind BD and subsidising future PS3 release ;)

[gba @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:01PM]

If people are really going to pay 1K for this I will thank them for "sponsoring" the research behind BD and subsidising future PS3 release ;)

[Paul @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:19PM]

There appears to be a large amount of people who write comments based on pure bull sh1t.

Firstly, what says that the memory stick failed? Sony is the leader in digital imaging, Kodak is 2nd (some 4% behind) and Cannon are 4th.

Before you start mocking Sony, why don't you guys try and understand technology, because it is clear that you don't. CD and DVD players were originally very expensive, so if anyone with 2 brain cells comes here then they would realise that this would also be the case for Blu-Ray.

Another issue is UMD.I agree is Geezer, how can you compare UMD to Blu-Ray?
Firstly, saying that there are 100k+ PSP's and that there aren�t as many UMD buyers does not mean there won�t be as many Blue-Ray buyers for the PSP.

Just remember, your mite not like Sony, but they invent most things. For example, there TV's are currently reviewed by most magazines as some of the best LCD's ever made.

So to sum up, people who come here to criticise Sony....go get a life....and possibly read some information about technology....as it is clear you don�t understand the basic concepts of media formats.

[molly @ Apr 22nd 2006 2:46PM]

wtf...to ALL OF YOUSE......noone that is blue collar...will buy this crap....that may LOOK flashy...BUT IT IS WAY TO EXPENSIVE!!!...i'll stick with panasonic tyvm...

[Jake @ Apr 22nd 2006 3:27PM]

LOL, Paul, what are you 12?

"Just remember, your mite not like Sony, but they invent most things. For example, there TV's are currently reviewed by most magazines as some of the best LCD's ever made." ... "go get a life....and possibly read some information about tenchology....as it is clear you don't understand the basic concepts of media formats."

1) "Your mite" = You might
2) Really, "they invent most things?" So, Sony invented potato chips, beer, the light bulb, squirrels? Your statement is entirely devoid of meaning. They don't invent most "things," or even most "technologies." And they didn't invent blue-laser optical recording technology (used by both BR and HDDVD), either. So why are you making this claim to begin with?
3) "There TV's" = Their TVs
4) "best LCD's" = best LCDs
5) "Some of the best LCD's ever made." Sony didn't invent LCD technology, so I'm not sure why you went from "invent" to "make." So they make nice TVs; what's that got to do with the benefits of Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD and the likelihood that either will prevail in the market?
6) "as it is clear you don't understand the basic concepts of media formats." Uh huh. Well thanks for clarifying the basic concepts of media formats for us. Er, wait--I don't see anything about "concepts of media formats" in your post. You talked about price fluctuation, market dynamic, even hinted at product cycle; you told us that UMD and Blu-Ray aren't analogous (without stating why) and referenced Sony's dominance in digital imaging (thus bolstering the claim that MemoryStick isn't a hopeless proprietary format). But these aren't "concepts of media formats."

So, to sum up: learn to debate a point clearly and articulately without resorting to profanity, ad hominem attacks, illegitimate appeals to authority, red herrings, and conclusory statements. Your post convinced me only that you have a very high opinion of yourself and your understanding of "technology," you really like Sony, and you're not sure why (except that they make nice TVs, DVD players used to be expensive, they make a lot of cameras, and you are smarter than us).

[Paul @ Apr 22nd 2006 3:59PM]

I may not be able to debate very well or even for that matter make far too many typos and spelling mistakes......

But my points about LCD - I did not say they invented LCD. Sony has believes that SXRD panels are the way forward as they achieve a higher quality.


Digital Camera's - I merely stated that Sony are market leaders so how can someone over the internet state that the MS format has failed if there are so many Sony Digital Camera Users.

My comments regarding 'inventing' - Sony has backed most new technology. SACD, BD, Bravia and CD

You asked what my comments had to do with HD DVD vs Blu-Ray. I did not realise that a comments box had to refer to the particular topic in hand? I believe most users use it as voicing there opinion about something releavant to the topic. In my case - How so many users (including yourself) slate companies off.

The only reason I have defended Sony - No one knows any facts but are making assumptions.
How does anyone know this will cost $1000?
How do you know MS failed?
How do you know what UMDs intentions were?

No one does.

You may slag off my ability to argue over the internet....which I am sure you are more than capable of doing...as you have clearly spent sometime voicing your opinions.

And the 12 year old thing.....fairly pathetic and old. What I would like to ask you.....are you 40 years old and in a mid life crises?

[Paul @ Apr 22nd 2006 4:02PM]

Also, your spelling and grammer isn't to great either. You may want to check your last paragraph ;)

[Synergy @ Apr 22nd 2006 5:32PM]

Sorry but wrong you are Paul.
Canon is not fourth in sales of dig cams. Please cite your source.
Sony does not believe SXRD is the way forward, just and interim step.
See regarding FED comments: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117485,00.asp

SED and FED is where it will be at.

Sony has backed most new tech? Bravia is a brand line. SACD is a small niche market.
Tell me what company did not back CDs.
They did not back HD_DVD so there is a new tech they are not backing.
Which of the sat radio systems are they backing? New tech?

And yes people do know about UMD intentions and 1000 cost. They are called Sony Insiders.

I don't slag on Sony. I am enjoying my new Sony HD set as I type. I like my Sony camcorder as well. But both BD and HD are likely to be passed over by the mass market since there is no real clear advantage over regular DVDs just yet.

[striderhayasa @ Apr 22nd 2006 6:57PM]

this topic is funny. Personally, I'm not supporting Blu-ray or HD-dVD. Portable mass storage is becoming a reality. 1TB drives will be available at least by early 2007. We'll be about to get GB HDD for dirt cheaper than what they are going for now. I don't want to screw around with blu ray drives or HD-dvd drives when I can just download my content and drag and drop it to my external storage device. The best that I could do with either format would be to archive but then again, if I can get a 300GB HDD now for less than 50 cents a GB, then why would I bother with either format? By the time HD-DVD or Blu ray drives become checkbook friendly, 300GB HDDs will be even cheaper.

I think UMD was a bad idea. A portable is supposed to encourage on the go gaming or in the PSPs case, movie viewing. But the load times are atrocious on the PSP in part because of the disk format. Sony was trying to recreate the success of the PS2 where the Matrix was the #1 selling software for the unit at launch. But for a portable game machine (which is what the PSP is regardless of the beliefs of the blind) the jack of all trades but master of none can be fatal. Pricing UMDs higher than DVDs is stupid. The trade-in value for UMDs is even worse. No special features, suspect battery life, refresh rate issue with the screen all contributed to me not purchasing a PSP. UMD was the final nail in the coffin for that decision.

[Special Edition @ Apr 22nd 2006 7:26PM]

If I'm not mistaken, Sony was #1 for a specific segment of digital cameras, such as lower-end consumer models. They were not #1 for all cameras. Canon, I believe was #1 for their segment.

What this has to do with the success of their Memory Stick is beyond me. Flash memory from companies other than Sony (such as from SanDisk) greatly outsell Sony Memory Stick by a huge margin. Mostly, I'd say, because they're cheaper and offer greater capacity. Sony simply forces you to use their product. To say that everyone who buys a camera also buys a Memory Stick would be invalid.

I've personally owned five digital cameras now, and have never once owned a Sony camera.

[shaka @ Apr 22nd 2006 7:36PM]

the think its very early for a new format but my money is on blu-ray.

25gb vs. 15 of hd-dvd = check

blu-ray has the most support = check

sony has his own movie company also owns tv shows and tv channels ,something toshiba doesnt = check

the ps3 will play the mayor role here = will put millions of blu-ray players around the world will destroy hd-dvd.

doesnt it seem like theres alot more blu-ray products out then hd-dvd ,i mean theres no pc hd-dvd yet ,sony already has two.

well that's my take blu-ray will destroy hd-dvd in no time and it's all going to be thanks to the ps3.

i know alot of people that like me never had a dvd player until we bought PS2 in 2000.

i never bought a dvd player beacuase my ps2 plays dvd's.

anyways i think sony will get everything right this time.

blu-ray will win.
sony and ps3 will win.
LINUX will win too ,i say 100+ LINUX users world wide in less than 5 years.

shaka.

[Jake @ Apr 22nd 2006 8:20PM]

Paul: I apologize, my previous post was entirely too harsh. I was trying to highlight how ineffective it is to tell people that they are simply under-educated, full of crap, and to shut the heck up. But I took it too far.

Not saying you were right, just that I was a d*ck.

[Laugh A Lot @ Apr 22nd 2006 11:50PM]

The drive inside the Toshiba HD DVD player IS a PC HD DVD drive. If you disassemble the unit, you can physically remove the drive and put it into your computer, and it'll recognize the drive. Does it work? Nope. You still need a software driver.

Also, Toshiba announced a laptop with a HD DVD drive like months ago. It should be available next month.

[Perrey Z. @ Apr 23rd 2006 12:14AM]

Now with Rootkit and Spyware inside!

[Paul @ Apr 23rd 2006 5:16AM]

@Jake:
Hey, no worries dude, it�s always good to discuss ;)

I think I may have been too harsh as well....but when you see some of these comments.....which also have no backing what so ever...it annoys me.


Synergy: In terms of LCD, Plasma and SXRD - Sony has believed that SXRD is the way forward. My discussion never mentioned any other new forms of television such as OLED, FED, SED or even FSS. I was talking about technology which is expected to come out this year.

Note the article date: August 20, 2004

Also, Sony Insiders.....Just like my mate who works with Steve. He said the new iPod is going to have a 1 terabyte hard drive and be Nano thin!!! :D

Although my discussion may have been harsh, your discussion touches on points which it is clear you don't understand. Once of them being the word's 'Most'.

@Special Edition - You are most likely correct, but the BBC did produce an article that Sony was leading the digital camera market. Maybe that didn't include profession camera's?

And yes, Sony Memory stick's are very expensive, but my point was this:

If Sony has been so successful selling digital camera (which use MS) then the format it self has to sell as there is no other way to store images (other then internal mem). I wasn't talking about a certain brand of MS but the general format.


Sorry if I have offended anyone, but I do believe that no one can start making such strong assumptions of technology that hasn't been released. Only time will tell whether BD or HD DVD will win.

[samagonistes @ Apr 24th 2006 6:38PM]

Posted by Paul:
"Also, your spelling and grammer isn't to great either. You may want to check your last paragraph ;)"

Grammar, not grammer.

[Ajay @ Apr 26th 2006 6:36PM]

Absolutely pathetic.

Everyone hear has a ridiculous argument. It�s a real shame that people who make comments must refer back to spelling and grammar mistakes.
We�re not writing a legal document here�.it�s just a comments box.