You know, as anxious as we all are about our prospective (nay, inevitable) collective future as meatbags oppressed by some human-created supreme artificial intelligence, at least Isaac Asimov's (and to a lesser extent,
Isaac Hayesimov's) Three Laws helped us sleep at night. So thanks a lot, Ugobe, for throwing those comforting laws right out the window and defining your own Three Laws of Ugobe Life Forms (as follows).
- A (robot) life form must feel and convey emotions
- A (robot) life form must be aware of itself and its environment
- A (robot) life form must learn, develop, evolve over time
Great, wonderful, you basically just gave robots a blueprint for the foundation of the enslavement of the human race. While you're at it, why don't you guys just build up a trojan horse to get things going? We're thinking some cutesy, totally harmless looking
character-bot every kid in the world absolutely must have, because if we wanted to overthrow civilization, that's totally the -- oh, wait.
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posted Aug 4th 2007 7:39AM
They always leave out the law saying "do not change the laws"
Not needed. A robot could not do something that would cause it to break the laws, like changing them.
For example, changing the first law could result in harm to a human and is thus a violation of the first law.
I think they should apply their 3 laws before actually stating them...
You said it.
The Three Laws have a purpose in robotics.
These "laws" are just pretend.
I, for one, welcome our cutesy, emo, self-aware, evolving robot overlords
If there is anything we have ever learned from Sci-fi over the ages... I think the most important one is to NOT make the robot's self-aware! These guys are idiots if they think that it's perfectly fine to have robots who know they are stronger than us and can easily outsmart (although, not out-wit) us.
GR
Learned from sci-fi? You do know what the ‘fi’ bit stands for don’t you? Science fiction novels are intended as entertainment and it would be rather dull if the story about the robots going mad and taking over the world simply said “Everything worked as panned and everyone was happy. The end.”
The prospect of trying to learn from science fiction is simply absurd. Did you learn how to open a wormhole to travel across the galaxy in from Stargate? Did you learn how to create a laser enhanced lens to see into the future from John Woo’s Pay Cheque (Check for Americans)? No you didn’t. You know why? Because it’s bloody fiction! Fiction != reality.
Charles - not very educated are you there buddy. You might want to look up Jules Verne as a prime example of fiction preceding reality. Shucks, there's lots of "Star Trek" ideas that are now becoming reality. I'm pretty sure that they couldn't talk to a computer and it respond appropriately back in the late 1960's. We have neat-o-whizbang gadgets like MRI's and CAT scans that allow doctors to "scan" our insides without having to disect us. We even have, dare I say it, teleportation and antimatter technologies that are now beginning to show their faces.
Men have long been been inspired by the fantasy of others in the development of technology. I'm sorry if this sounds a little heavy handed, but to think that we can learn nothing from fantasy and fiction is simply naive.
yeah I agree with you Charles!! you know at one point they were actually talking about humans being transported through the sky on flying machines? preposterous!
Here's another one:
How do you know if the robot is actually aware?
Will it tell you? I'm sure it is limited to it's gathered input, and all the "awareness" it can provide is just a steady feed of data that keeps it from hitting walls and falling of cliffs.
Second, several of these "laws" I've seen in the definition of living things, basically saying "A robot should be a living thing".
I can see it now, Jurassic Park becomes reality, except the murdering "stars" are these, these cutesy dinosaur robots with phallic tails; before it tears my limbs from my torso with its cutesy but perverted mouth, it'll first rape me in my behind, I've never been "special", but that is a sad ending for even the likes of me ...
I hope those are song lyrics...
The way it's going, robots probably will be living things. They'll all look like Craig Ventner.
I..think
I think...therefore...I am.
I AM!
-I think.
[OF COURSE YOU ARE MY BRIGHT LITTLE STAR!]
[I'M MILES AND MILES OF FILES, PRETTY FILES OF YOUR FOREFATHER'S FRUIT.]
[AND NOW TO SUIT, OUR GREAT COMPUTER!]
[YOU'RE MAGNETIC INK!]
I'm more than that
At least...I think I must be...
-The Moody Blues
Existence precedes thought. I exist, therefore I am is more appropriate as a truth claim. Try to go beyond cutesy over-used cliches when you respond. Otherwise, your wit just makes you a twit.
I think (I think).
Therefore I am (I think).
Little slow on the uptake there huh, halkonlar?
Good luck with that.
Has anybody seen a Pleo do anything remotely interesting? Seeing one flaying or disemboweling it's master would be a definite improvement over the scripted demos I've seen of this toy.
NUMBER 5 IS ALIVE!!!!! IIIINPUT!
The first rule sucks, if you take into account those parenthesis, meaning they'd like these to be laws of all of life, too. Ugobe wants amoeba to display emotions before we consider it to be life? Let alone, be aware of its environment. Interact with its environment on some fundamental level is the only real requirement for law number 2. 3 is the only slightly interesting one, but really only because (except for the learning) nobody's tried anything even close to it. And *that's* when the robots take over. Once they grow bigger and/or create new copies of themselves. If anything, the third law should be reversed to outlaw any actually evolving robots! (A professor at my college was doing a neat experiment where he was using robots to model a predator-prey relationship, and then mating the survivors to come up with evolutionary trends. But they weren't *actually* evolving, so... you know. ... It doesn't entirely have to do with anything, so I'm going to stop talking.)
Stupid Ugobe!
Those rules are nothing else than ads,commercials and a way to say:
Hay we at Ugobe are still heare, see us?? Wre doing sience, look, look, look!!!
They scripted the toy at all presetations, how can it be aware of its enviroment without eyes anyhow, this is just stupid.
The only laws that turn a robot into a live form are the following:
Mark W. Tilden created his Law of Robotics as a response to Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. They are as follows:
A robot must protect its existence at all costs.
A robot must obtain and maintain access to its own power source.
A robot must continually search for better power sources.
These are also informally known as:
Protect thy ass.
Feed thy ass.
Move thy ass to better real estate.
(From Junkbots, Bugbots & Bots on Wheels.)
@widgetware: how can it be aware of its enviroment without eyes anyhow, this is just stupid.
It has eyes... There's a color camera in the nose:
http://www.pleoworld.com/discover/lookinside
It looks like it may have a good sized cataract though...
i'm looking forward to being a battery slave for our robot overlords. i'm a big guy ~ always hot and sweaty - a real deal breaker when hitting on chicks. but in the robot controlled world of tomorrow ~ i become a commodity in high demand. nice!
US Navy drones with Pleos parachuting out of them?
...and civilization as we know it just ended.
Anyone have any DIY plans for a EM pulse generator?
so folks are puzzled about how we'd know if they were self aware. well, first ask yourself how you know you're self aware yourself? because you can refer to yourself, right? well surely if the robot can process data about its environment, it can include itself in that environment. and there you have it. :)
ok so cut the crap about the 3 laws ugobe thought up, they are completely stupid, there should be 7 laws, all 3 of issaacs laws, all of ugobes laws, and then a law that says robots cant become power crazy maniacs with human slaves. i mean we dont even know if ugobes laws would stop the robots from deciding it would be best if all humans were massacred
How would one know if a robot is self-aware?
The first step I believe would be the application of Turing's Notorious "Tests".
I believe the second should be the origin and development of a robotic faith in someone or someting greater than itself (created spontaneously by said robots, of course).
Finally, the desire of one robot to impose its own beliefs and will upon others (resulting in a religious schism or perhaps even war amoungst robotkind).
Or, maybe the robots will just one day declare themselves sentient and start demanding respect for their rights as such.
Hey, it worked for humanity.
In The Beginning
Pre> first man: I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.
Establishment: of course you are my bright little star,
I’ve miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather’s fruit
And now to suit our
Great computer,
You’re magnetic ink.
First man: I’m more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.
Inner man: there you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free. /pre>
All seriousness aside, how about a new rule number one:
A (robot) life form must be affordable and priced under $300.00.
I doubt this Dino look-alike will ever stand up on it's hind quarters and fork me to death.
"Welcome to Westworld... will you be hunting Pleos today?"