Yet another perpetual motion machine fails to prove anything
By Darren Murph 
posted February 5th 2008 7:57PM
posted February 5th 2008 7:57PM
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Maybe it is the force of God
No way Jesus! The force of God?
Yea its not too farfetched you know. Can you disprove it?
Wow guess not. Thanks Jesus!
Speed increases with more load? Sounds to me like if it DOES work it is using gravity. Just need to figure out what load he is adding. So this could be a possibility. Meh probably not though.
i hate when people make these machines, get people gathered together, and all they get is "OH NOES, IT WORKED YESTERDAY"
attention whores
Was it just me, or was that a crafty flicking of a motor "On" switch when he starts spinning the wheel?
Wait, someone's already said that. nvm
So I take a cat and stick hot buttered toast face up on its back. The cat wants to land feet first, the toast wants to land butter side down, so it just hovers in the air spinning faster and faster until the cat and toast seperate. I think I'm on to something here if I can only stop the seperation. I've tried glue, staples, sticky tape, nails and velcro. Am I missing anything?
most of these perpetual motion machines relying on motors and alternators "work" because the meters use don't function properly under reactive loads (current and voltage out of phase), so you get false readings.
the phenomena whereby a motor speeds up when a magnet is brought near is a consequence of the field magnets being counteracted by that magnet, so the motor must speed up to generate the same back EMF given that less flux is cut per second.
I covered most of the above in control systems/machinery 101 in the machines lab doing electronic/electrical engineering. I am amazed so many experts seem not to know.
p.s. and most meters only measure sinusoidal waveforms accurately, as soon as there's distortion you need to apply correction factors, and every make/design of meter will be different. You'd probably want a digital storage oscilloscope with integration functions to work out the RMS voltage and current.
Gravity doesn't exist. The Earth just sucks...
ok, so maybe friction and air resistance kills the idea of perpetual motion, but I think we are missing one point here.
who cares that this is not 100% perpetual motion if all you need is a small amount of external energy to combat friction and to support the pseudo-perpetual motion?
think of it like this(simplified), i shove that thing into my car as my car engine, and in order to combat the friction in the system I supply a lawn-mower engine, and I hit 100 MPG.
hell, i'll take it, wouldnt you ?
At least you're thinking, unlike some of the others here. But you're missing a big point. What you've described is exactly how cars (or any machine) work today, it's just that friction and air resistance are actually *big* forces, not little ones. So you can't use a lawn mower to overcome them, you need a gasoline engine. Example: you are cruising along the road at constant speed. As soon as you take your foot off the gas you slow down. You need a constant supply of gas to overcome friction and air resistance, which is actually quite a lot of energy. It's true whether you use a gas motor or a very efficient electrical motor.
Silly monkeys! The "laws" of motion and the "laws" of electrical induction are VERY different. Enery "used" does not equal energy "stored". The guy in the video used energy to spin up the wheel. Did he loose energy? Naturally! At some point he will "recharge". The spinning wheel uses gravity. The shaft and motor parts use centrifugal force which has a lower energy dissepation. Reduce the friction - increase efficency -etc...
So, it's all possible. Plausable? Yes. Usable? Not yet reality.
There is no such thing as centrifugal force.
I read TFA this morning and from what I recall the inventor doesn't claim this to be a perpetual motion machine, and is loathe to suggest it is - he's fully aware of the scorn that would bring upon him. Rather he and the engineering professor at MIT who got a demo of the device think he may have stumbled upon a design for a more efficient electric motor, which would still be something of value.
Actually it proved that such devices are frauds. Something that perpetual motion machines prove over and over again.
People keep talking about perpetual motion machines would have to defy the laws of physics.
But if they have to defy the laws of physics. Then are magnets already defying the laws of physics? Because if you place one magnet on top of another in a tube with opposite sides facing, the top one will defy gravity due to there being an opposing force between them.
So if 1 magnet can force another magnet to float in the air... Why is it such a hard idea to think a magnet could cause a wheel of magnets to spin?
Magnet's aren't perpetual motion tho. But they are something we could create energy from. The reason they can't be perpetual motion is because magnets loose there power over time. (even tho that time is very long. It's still not infinite.)
The magnets aren't 'defying' gravity, they are simply overcoming it with another force--magnetism.
It isn't 'puerperal motion' as the magnets aren't moving. They are stuck together.
My statement wasn't directed at this project. It was just in general.
Yes, the magnets are overcoming gravity. That is what I meant when I said Defying.
None the less, Magnetism is still a constant force of which needs no fuel to be powered. Thus being a force of which can be harnessed.
Uh, yeah it is. Also known as centripetal force related to the rotation of a mass around an object.
Newton's 3rd law of motion.
I always have a perpatual motion machine in my body! When I eat some thing bad, I give out so much more in loose motions that what I actually ate! They do not stop unless and untill I go on medication. How is it possible? I need to convert this in to a machine.