Dell busts out 20-inch UltraSharp 2009W LCD
By Paul Miller 
posted March 14th 2008 5:45PM
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Wow that's a rad price. Too bad I just got a Soyo 24" 1920x1200 with M-PVA LCD panel for $10 more at Office Max.
GODDAMMIT. Why are Component supporting monitors in such small supply? The only reasonably priced Component capable monitors are from Gateway, and since Acer's acquisition the quality has gone down hill. I replaced my old 22" Gateway with a newer one due to a glitch from moisture, and this new one has horrible color. Over DVI or Component, the color is horrible... I don't know why, but the picture is just worthless compared to the excellence of my old... I wish I had my old one still...
Anyway, this monitor would be a great deal if only it had more connections.
Component's on the way out, given that there are so many newer HD-capable inputs.
Get a used Dell 2405FPW.
Yeah, so since there are better inputs available, that means I should just ditch all my current electronics that use Component? Yeah, that's smart. Component may be "going out" but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for it by some.
Where, i cant find them anywhere...
thats ok but can it display doom ??
Your jokes are lame.
drink less coffee and leave us protagonists alone
i know its a lame comment ... and such comments will keep on appearing as long as smart asses like you keep replying to them ... just ignore
And they will stay when idiots like you CONTINUE POSTING THEM. Don't blame others for your own stupid shit.
I think I may get that as a foobar/irc/photoshop tools monitor. I already have a 24"er for games and movies.
I'm still waiting for a 42"+ wide screen monitor that can be used as both a monitor AND a HDTV. Now when the monitors get that big, then HDTV's will REALLY be HD.
Are you really willing to pay like $10k for a monitor?
'cause I'd think the 30-inch ones are pretty sweet already. Also monitors are built to be used from like 2 feet away, TVs more like 2 meters.
$10k? I don't think so. After some comparative shopping, the price difference between a 30" and a 20" monitor is conservatively $1200. So I'd expect a 42" monitor to be around $3000. Which may seem a lot for a monitor, but it's pretty cheap for an HDTV set that is REALLY high definition.
As for it being too big for a monitor, I am sure many people would disagree. It's all personal preference and having more room for your apps is pretty high on many people's lists.
FWIW I just bought a 42" LCD 1080P HDTV / Monitor for $1000 at Costco
VGA input displays beautifully at 1920 x 1080 resolution. I'm sure DVI would look even better but my laptop only has VGA.
It also has every other kind of port you would want. Voila!
Err.. when are they not available? and when are they so expensive?
Right now, I'm typing this on my 50" 1920x1080 75Hz LCD panel via DVI. I use it strictly as a PC monitor and nothing else..
It costs a grand total of... duh duh duuuhhh... $1800
There are drawbacks to having such a large LCD though. These are to be expected and don't bother me much, but if your even within 6 feet of it, expect to be moving your entire head to look around instead of just your eyes, and expect to get burning red eyes if you use it too close for several hours..
But I tell you..... Crysis... in 1920x1080... in 50 inches... max settings... is.... amazing...
that's great Orly! But for a 50" monitor, I'd want better resolution that that. My 24" monitor handles something like 1900X1220, so I'd expect a 42-50" monitor to have a even higher resolution. Sure not many graphics cards could handle it, but again some people would be willing to lay out the cash.
I'm so tempted to buy this. Hopefully this has sex with my 2407wfp-hc and gives me one more!
You would get a 22 inch monitor, though.
Why mention that a 20" has a 36% higher pixel ratio than a specific 19"? That's the standard difference in resolution and density from 19 to 20 inches.
My Samsung 245BW (I think that's the model) is a 24" and can swivel to the side too with the removal a screw. So mine is bigger than theirs.
what inputs are you expecting?
seems to me DVI (with HDCP) is pretty much what everyone uses anyway (and VGA for the oldschool weirdos.) looking for HDMI? it's basically exactly the same as DVI with audio...
what do you want? coaxial?
I would totally buy one if I didn't already have a Dell 20" (which I love). The price is fantastic, I'm going to recommend it to people.
I love that design, after seeing the new Dell monitor with a webcam I was very disappointed, I like minimalistic designs, glad they didn't abandon it.
Whatever happened to the Dell I knew that produced wonderful monitors that functioned at high resolutions?
I'm all for wide screen goodness, but I'd gladly pay an extra hundred or so bucks for a 20" wide screen display that operated at 1920x1200.
I am the proud owner of two Dell 2001FP monitors and I absolutely love them. I was extremely disappointed when I went to buy another one that they had been discontinued, and could not find anything that operated at (what I consider to be) a decent resolution of 1600x1200 or higher for a wide screen.
What.
Ok, gonna have to break this post down piece by piece.
"Whatever happened to the Dell I knew that produced wonderful monitors that functioned at high resolutions?"
Still exists as far as I can tell. The 2009W runs at the standard resolution for pretty much all 20" widescreen LCDs. They make a 24" display which runs at 1920x1200, and a 30" display which runs at 2560x1600.
"I'm all for wide screen goodness, but I'd gladly pay an extra hundred or so bucks for a 20" wide screen display that operated at 1920x1200."
No one makes (consumer level!) screens like this. There's not enough demand, only mega-nerds are interested in squint-o-vision displays. Yes, they do make high-density displays for laptops (I once saw a 15" Dell with a native resolution of 1600x1200), but such displays won't work well on the desktop. Your eyes are much closer to the laptop screen then a desktop monitor. No, the industry doesn't care about your super-telephoto-vision.
"I am the proud owner of two Dell 2001FP monitors and I absolutely love them. I was extremely disappointed when I went to buy another one that they had been discontinued, and could not find anything that operated at (what I consider to be) a decent resolution of 1600x1200 or higher for a wide screen."
This is confusing. "1600x1200 or higher for a wide screen" ?? That's a 4:3 aspect ration, not widescreen. Which the 2001FP isn't. And yes, that display was discontinued (I own one and love it, too), but Dell has a replacement, the 2007FP: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-4687
If you want a widescreen display with a resolution higher than 1680x1050 (again, this is standard for 20" widescreens!), you'll have to move up to 24" or larger displays.
4:3 aspect RATIO, not ration, dammit. Requesting a "preview reply" feature!
I am going to have to back Ryan up here.
I have two Dell laptops. One has a 15" 1600x1200 screen I run at max resolution. The other has a 15" widescreen which I run at its max of 1920x1200. Clearly I like high resolution displays and on laptop screens you can choose the resolution on some models, even when the screens are the same physical size.
Now, web2.oh, you're telling me that 1920x1600 is OK on a 15" widescreen because you sit close, but on a 20" or even 22" which would sit eight inches further back on my desk, the maximum reasonable resolution is 1680x1050? And that I should have to buy a 24" monitor just to equal the resolution on my 15" laptop screen? Meh...
Can we please get 1920x1200 on monitors smaller than 24"...
There are smaller than 24" LCDs with 1920 X 1200 res.
First, of course the 23" Apple Cinema Display that uses a 1920 X 1200 S-IPS panel
Then there are the 22" Lenovo ThinkVision L220X that uses a 1920 X 1200 S-PVA Panel.
No shit. What the hell happened??? I currently have a 17" 1920x1200 on my laptop from 2.5 years ago, and at least 5 years ago I had a 15" 1600x1200 4:3 laptop monitor. It's drives me CRAZY that people associate high resolution with small text because of the total incompetence of Microsoft to make a DPI-independent user interface. I know Windows XP is a disaster in this regard. In control panel you can change the text size DPI a little bit, but it software interfaces are routinely screwed up in which parts of the interface (text, picture, dialog boxes, etc) are covered up or hidden behind others. Is Vista any better with this? Can XAML interfaces help this seemingly perennial problem?
I understand that the general consumer controls most of the market and as soon as Apple and MS get their sh** together, then hardware manufacturers can start ratcheting up the DPI on their monitors.
But what about for professionals and enthusiasts?? Where are the 2560x1600 19" or 20" monitors? Or even higher resolution for that size? Why is this marketing so stagnant??
What panel type does this use?
Another TN panel. *sigh*
I really hate that Dell is now calling their sub-par monitors "UltraSharps". What it used to mean was a better-quality IPS or VA panel which offered better viewing angles and better colour depth. The older 2007WFP is a far better LCD than this 2009W.
dell told me over the phone it has an 8-bit panel.
If this one doesn't have S-IPS, it's no good.
You drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you. It's plenty good, just not much "better" than the 2007 models.
Yep another rubbish TN screen (which, Tom M, is a lot worse than the S-IPS panel in the 2007WFP).
could you please explain specifically how it is worse (color, slower refresh, etc.)? it seems like it would be fine for document editing--in fact, the ability to rotate it would be great. that's usually so expensive.
i am also curious if it might have LED illumination.
In these energy saving times, 2009W is an unfortunate choice of model identification.
This monitor is garbage because it uses TN. The other specs dont matter, if its TN then it sucks. Period. As for rotating a TN display... LOL TN's are indeed known for the flexibility in viewing angles
actually they're not known for their flexibility in viewing angles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#TN_.2B_film
Yes I know, its called sarcasm... rotating a TN like that would be completely unuseable.
Heh... tall screen gaming, anyone?
They should let the dell logo letters swivel too.
Well this is odd, as theres 20.1 HD monitors on Newegg for less than 200 dollars.
Does this mean they are stopping making professional monitors? It's pretty obvious what this is given the price.