Windows 7 details galore: interface tweaks, netbook builds, Media Center enhancements
Microsoft's Windows 7 announcement earlier today was followed up by an extensive demo of the new features during the PDC keynote, and since then even more info about the new OS has flooded out, so we thought we'd try to wrap up some of the more important bits here for you. Microsoft seems to have done an impressive job at this early pre-beta stage, folding in next-gen interface ideas like multitouch into the same OS that apparently runs fine on a 1GHz netbook with 1GB of RAM, but we'll see how development goes -- there's still a ways to go. Some notes:
Read - Keynote videos on the PDC site
Read - Technologizer Windows 7 hands-on
Read - Ars Technica Windows 7 interface walkthrough
Read - Laptop Windows 7 hands-on
Read - Windows 7 Media Center revealed
- Obviously, the big news is the new taskbar, which forgoes text for icons and has new "jump lists" of app controls and options you can access with a right-click. You can select playlists in Media Player, for example. Super cool: when you scrub over the icons, all the other app windows go transparent so you can "peek" at the windows you're pointing at.
- Gadgets now appear on the desktop -- the sidebar has been killed. That makes more sense for all those laptop owners out there with limited screen space, and you can still see gadgets anytime by peeking at the desktop, rendering all other windows transparent.
- Window resizing and management now happens semi-automatically: dragging a window to the top of the screen maximizes it, pulling it down restores; dragging a window to the edges auto-resizes it to 50% for quick tiling. Nifty.
- The system tray now only displays what you explicitly say it should -- everything else is hidden, and the controls have been streamlined.
- User Account Control settings are now much more fine-grained -- you can set them by app and by level of access.
- They demoed multitouch features on an HP TouchSmart PC -- it was pretty cool, although the usual nagging "what is this good for / that'll get old fast" concerns weren't really addressed. The Start menu gets 25 percent bigger when using touch to make it easier to handle, and apps will all get scroll support automatically. There's also a giant on-screen predictive keyboard. Again -- could be amazing, but we won't know until it's out in the wild.
- We've always known Microsoft intends Windows 7 to run on netbooks, and we got a small taste during the PDC keynote: Windows SVP Steve Sinofsky held up his "personal" laptop running Windows 7, an unnamed 1GHz netbook with 1GB of RAM that looked a lot like an Eee PC, and said that it still had about half its memory free after boot. (We're guessing it was running a VIA Nano, given the announcement this morning and since most Atoms run at 1.6GHz.)
- At the other end of the scale, Windows 7 supports machines with up to 256 CPUs.
- Multiple-monitor management is much-improved, as is setting up projectors -- it's a hotkey away. Remote Desktop now works with multiple monitors as well.
- Media Center has been tweaked as well -- it looks a lot more like the Zune interface. There's also a new Mini Guide when watching video, and a new Music Wall album artwork screensaver that kicks in when you're playing music.
- Devs got a pre-beta today; a "pretty good" feature complete beta is due early next year. No word at all on when it'll be released to market apart from that "three years from Vista" date we've known forever.
Read - Keynote videos on the PDC site
Read - Technologizer Windows 7 hands-on
Read - Ars Technica Windows 7 interface walkthrough
Read - Laptop Windows 7 hands-on
Read - Windows 7 Media Center revealed






















Not sure if I like the new taskbar...I like my text. What if I have like 4 Word docs open? I want to know which is which.
You hover over, and a pop up shows up showing you all the open word docs.
It seems very intuitive.
You can even hover over one of the docs and that goes to the foreground to show you it.
"The system tray now only displays what you explicitly say it should -- everything else is hidden, and the controls have been streamlined."
No more "Safely Remove Devices"?!??!? About time!
Safely remove devices wasnt exactly the worst idea out there. Compared to OS X.
But yes, it should have been hideable.
Hopefully there is an option to have this OS appear and behave just like XP...
Another issue .. stacking downwards photos right to left is annoying .. should have been the other way.
http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/windows7/Libraries.png
@ iEye
Why would anyone want their OS to look like XP, Yuk !
@Major4Play
iEye said to behave like XP, not look like XP. Either way, I would want windows 7 to behave like XP, to be slim and snappy, of course with all the good looking features
nah .. I don't like the idea of rolling over something to see what it is. that's not intuitive or user-friendly.
tom: appear and look are synonyms.
Please GOD, let this new windows not be made for beginners like vista.
I want the control panel similar to XP and please bring back the tabs in control options.
I did not switch my laptop because I feel vista is for beginners. I takes me longer to change a setting.
I want quick user control access that is NOT DUMBED DOWN!!
oh please micro$oft,oh please.
@tom, read again.
Why do everyone love XP so much? Of course it's quick on modern computers when it's about 8 years old! It's old and overrated.
blarvh: I am running XP, it is working fine for me. There is no reason for me to switch. The only reason is Halo 2 PC... but that runs very slowly under Vista! However when I use the hack to make it run under XP, it runs much better.
Of course, this is just me. Undoubtably other users may find Vista seems as responsive as XP... but they likely have one of the following conditions:
1) They don't play any games past Solitaire, where the performance drop becomes most noticeable.
2) They have a new processor. The newer the processor, the better your computer will run. However XP will run even better... but at a certain point the performance gain from XP over Vista doesn't really matter much anymore. I am nowhere near there yet... Vista is simply too slow for my processor.
Even if I tweak Vista's running services, and turn off all the eye candy, there is hardly any speed boost. XP still beats Vista when all of XP's eye candy is ON, and with an anti-virus installed (I just uninstalled AVG and got a significant performance boost out of XP... and it STILL beat Vista then).
That said, I have gotten Vista to run well... when I strip everything out using vLite. At that point, it's basically the same feature set as XP (actually a bit less)... so I don't see any point in using it.
Don't get me wrong... when I get a new CPU I may very well switch to Vista. However at the moment even if I do there's little on that OS that I care for at the moment that I can't get elsewhere for free (IE third party programs etc).
Summary: I don't use Vista because I feel, for my purposes, it is overrated. XP works for me, it's faster for me, and I have no need to upgrade. That is why I (and probably many others) choose XP over Vista.
WRT the start bar, in theory there'll be an option to show full document names,etc , highly unlikely they'll just get rid of it completely.
I don't think it's intuitive at all to have to move your mouse to see what's open. What if you just want to look at a glance, it's counter-productive for most situations, that's an extra mouse gesture you have to do every time you want to see what you've got open.
Personally i think it looks too simplistic. The reason i like XP, and Vista too for the most part is that it looked businesslike - or at least reasonably professional. This just looks a bit too "easy to use" rather than functional. I'm sure it'll actually be nice and intuitive once i've had a play on it, but for now i prefer the functionality of XP/OS X. One thing Apple got right is that their interface has been pretty much the same - and it's very good on the whole - hardware notwithstanding. Windows on the other hand has spent lots of time rejigging interfaces and i can't help but think they should have stayed with the Vista styling which was nice, instead of going for a whole new UI. In contrast, i like how the new app grouping system works. It's a nice touch, it works well when tabbing between windows so it should be good there too.
Otherwise it looks good. Jump Lists are a great idea, file browsing looks well done - i'll probably get this when it's released after i find out what the status of compatibility is, there are workarounds for most things i've found.
@ Dan Bugglin
That is a poor excuse. Quit being a such a broke fool and get vista.
Kinda reminds me of Mojave.
Also, and this is a small complaint, I don't like how the http:, www, and slashes are all greyed out in the address bar. I understand the point of it; it highlights the "friendly" part of the URL, but I think it makes it look busy and draws unneeded attention to the address bar.
am i the only one to hate XP 64 bit? Vista is way faster in 8gb than xp was.
funny, all this was available on a MAC 5 years ago.... Way to keep up MS
yea some botons dont look write, just tweek it and make it like the mac dock, just avoid the making of a taskbar nobody likes, just use one that everyone likes (hint hint MAC)
@william
O RLY?
Like how mac had:
-desktop gadgets (no, the widget layer doesn't count, they arent always there, you have to interact to bring it up)
-auto resizing windows
-transparancy to highlight the window you're peeking at
-OS designed for multitouch interaction.......or any kind of touch interaction
-a netbook capable OS
Yeah, they've had all these things for like 5 years...oh wait, they don't have any of them, even now.
"2) They have a new processor. The newer the processor, the better your computer will run. However XP will run even better... but at a certain point the performance gain from XP over Vista doesn't really matter much anymore. I am nowhere near there yet... Vista is simply too slow for my processor."
Perhaps, but...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp
This is on a E6750 which is a fairly decent CPU although, since the issue was craptastic drivers, any Core 2 Duo will give you the same result.
I appreciate that if you're running an old P4 then you might be better with XP - I don't know, never tried it - but if you're buying a new PC you'd be a mug to choose XP over Vista.
Bottom line: Upgrade? No. XP on a new machine? LOL!
I like the idea. I usually have maybe 8-12 windows open, I never get to see the text part anyway, icons would save space and be easier to recognize.
@curtisrutland
in Tiger (and in Leopard probably) you can display gadgets from Dashboard on the desktop (in devmode).
Also, Leopard was installed on netbooks (http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2008/10/13519/) and seems to run very well.
The transparency part is indeed not present on the mac, but honestly this is something that always bothered me in vista. All the transparent and blurry things behind the front window dont help me focus at all.
I agree with the auto resizing windows, seems to be a great feature.
move shit around, put in a little wow, a pinch omg, but did they fix all the errors and warnings in vista? (yes, I have SP fucking one)
Take a look at my comment history and you'll see I would probably be considered an Apple "Fanboy". But I'll have to admit, Microsoft is definitely heading in the right direction. It looks sharp and everything i'm hearing about functionality sounds like some great improvements.
Looks pretty good. Thank god they're revamping the horrible start menu/quicklaunch/taskbar/system tray fiasco. I wish they'd lay off the eye candy a bit, though. It's fine where appropriate, but Microsoft seems to try to take it to the extreme, to the extent that it limits the usable space in the various windows. For example, in the screenshot, they waste ungodly amounts of space on the title bar, menu bar, side bar, and whatever the bar is at the bottom. What, do they get a cut of new LCD display purchases or something? :)
"What's compelling about touch is that it works everywhere in Windows 7. It's not some hokey add-on that works only in certain applications and only partially in others. (I'm looking at you, Apple.) "
-Paul Thurrott (www.winsupersite.com)
It seems like MS can't afford to hire a better UI/graphic designer or something... or they simply still don't get it, why Apple keep stealing the market share from them...
Poor nerd in MS, please... please simplify the UI and dress it up like a 21st century system to give us the wow factor... I believe Mac OS is not better than Windows, but it really look gorgeous... and we really care about STYLE & FASHION
"What's compelling about touch is that it works everywhere in Windows 7. It's not some hokey add-on that works only in certain applications and only partially in others. (I'm looking at you, Apple.) "
-Paul Thurrott (www.winsupersite.com)
As far as I'm aware, desktop OSX doesn't support multi-touch.
The multi-touch enabled trackpads aren't supposed to replace the mouse - they're supposed to extend the things normal trackpads can do. That's why it's on the trackpad and not the screen.
I actually realy like this OS. Looks very clean and clear. Kinda reminds me of Longhorn during its development. I hope UAC has been improved alot though - it made re-installing all my apps etc after a hard drive failure a labourious task (to say the least).
Now I come to think about it, does anyone know if in theory Windows 7 would be prone to simillar driver issues that plagued Windows Vista's release? Or would it use the drivers which were developed for Vista without much trouble? (Sorry, probably a bit of a noob question. Just curious.)
Almost looks like linux. But not bad, not bad at all.
So can you tell me what Linux looks like?
Like Gnome? Like XFCE4? Like KDE? Like Enlightment? Or any other WM you can image in out there?
Exactly...which windows manager were you hinting at there, imacmatt09? It doesn't look anything like my OpenBox display I have running...
KDE.
http://tredosoft.com/files/pictures/kde.png
Not the same but similar. I think Windows 7 looks better though.
The only thing that looks similar is transparency and gadgets...
KDE was made so to give people coming from Windows somthing that looked similar to the Windows Start menu/Task bar.
Wow.
Ever consider that KDE was modeled after Windows?
Well sorry for not being so knowing that KDE was modeled from Windows. All I was trying to say that it looks similar more similar now and that Windows 7 looks good.
This screenshot is a bit closer:
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/screenshots/desktop.png
If you use the small Kicker panel and turn off the labels on the panel icons, you get pretty much the same look as the Windows 7 shot. I like it a lot. :)
Yes, this does look like KDE, the time looks exactly what KDE looks like if you configure to show date and time (all the screenshots for KDE i saw only had time and no date showing). The way the systray icons are all small and look cheap is KDE-ish.
Also, is that space next to the date and time the place you can click to hide the toolbar, because if so, that is very KDE-ish.
Just one other question....Is Windows 7 going to have multiple desktops??
"fred @ Oct 28th 2008 2:21PM
KDE was made so to give people coming from Windows somthing that looked similar to the Windows Start menu/Task bar."
You are correct. But KDE also came up with a lot of it's own cool ideas as it borrowed and integrated ideas from many systems. If Microsoft wants to return the favor, more power to them.
What's cool about KDE is the high level of configurability while maintaining a familiar and intuitive interface.
There's little point in arguing chicken and eggs. Just like auto companies, software companies all copy each other and evolve their systems from what they see in others.
I like how the original poster gave a compliment to Linux and got destroyed for it by Linux supporters.
that's what I thought too from the first look actually, so give the guy a break please, no need for y'all to be aggressive like this ...
I only counted three snide remarks. The rest of us where carrying on a discussion and being informative. :)
If anything, the statement "It looks like Linux" is too simplistic because of the reasons offered in the second comment. But I'm not here to bash the guy for that. In fact I'll say good spotting that, imacmatt09. It probably does look like Linux as he saw Linux, and I think you can find many Linux configurations which have for some years looked like this new Windows interface, and that's fine. As fred was trying to point out, KDE was originally designed to mimic the most familiar aspects of windows. But since that inception the KDE team has had many integrations from other window managers as well as innovations of their own. If Microsoft wants to borrow some of those things back and make a better operating system, I say go for it. It's a smart thing to do.
All window interfaces are rip offs of Xerox Alto an Xerox Star. Including MS Windows, Mac OS and KDE.
It looked like this.
http://www.vintagecomputing.com/wp-content/images/namepixels/pixels11_num2_answer_large.gif
If I hadn't seen the title, I could've easily thought that someone had done a KDE reskin.
Sounds awesome!
Too be honest I don't really care either way. The Apple post generate a whole lot more traffic than MS posts so they have to go where the money is.
I really don't think Engadget is biased at all.