I agree, comparing a TN monitor to a IPS is like comparing a Civic to a BMW. Sure this monitor is good, but the Apple one is a Professional grade. Not counting that it have built-in a 90W MacBook/Pro charger....
People here keep saying that professionals don't like glossy. I know a couple of professionals that make their living doing graphic art, and they prefer the glossy monitors. They, and I, used CRTs for years before LCD panels were available, and those are made from glass and pretty reflective. I do a lot of output to print, and I find the color on the glossy display to be more in line with what comes out of the printer than the matte LCD.
CraigJ, you finding the color on the glossy display to be more in line with what comes out of the printer than the matte LCD, is a great proof on how professional you and your friends are, I mean really, why would you adjust your color settings in the monitor and OS? Just buy a glossy screen and magic will rain upon you all.
You must be a real "professional" I am not a professional graphic artist, but I run the adobe color management stuff, and when I print a photo it looks more like what is displayed on the glossy monitor than the matte monitor, so sue me. And yes I have a couple of real life friends that do stuff like this professionally. I understand that we are supposed to bow before your superior knowledge, but in my personal, real world experience, there are some professionals that prefer glossy displays. Of course most of them were probably doing graphic design before you were born.
God help you stuffing your ego in the same building with your head.
CraigJ, I hope that your "real life" "old friends" enjoy the glossiness, if you guys can't figure out how to adjust your monitor's settings to make it look like the printed outcome, then there is some serious problems right here.
Opps, wait a second, the Apple LED monitor has no buttons to adjust the screen? Only software adjustments? No point to go on because all other competition have built in settings' adjustment by default.
"Well, if it is $899 then it is definitely professional. What is there not understand?" - sarcasm when you dont have a clue looks kind of bad.
The panel in the Apple display is capable of 8bit color depth while the TN panel (used in this $399 Samsung) is only capable of 6 bit. This doesnt seem much on paper, but in real life it is 100 times more important then very low response times or dynamic contrast and other marketing bullshit. With 8 bit you wont see gradient banding or shitty blacks.
Yes I can fiddle with my monitor's settings all day, because it's made by Microsoft and it's giving me a beautiful experience. I only wish they could put Windows 7 and my beloved Internet Explorer inside the monitor, so I could have two Microsoft operating systems running at the same time, and that would give me a huge amount of pleasure. And if the monitor had a dedicated keyboard I could change the settings with it and if the keyboard also had a little screen I could make it display a picture of Steve Ballmer, because he gives me a beautiful experience every time I think about him.
People like to bash TN panels, but they fail to realize that TN panels have made gaming a reality on LCD panels for a lot of us. I loved the color on my old 20" IPS from Dell, but the response times were garbage. The color on a TN is fine, as long as you aren't a professional artist that depends on having things print exactly the way that you see them on your monitor (in this regard...glossy panels aren't the best)
All of that having been said, Asmor is right. You can't really compare a professional IPS monitor to a TN, especially in price (considering that IPS's are much more expensive to make). I'd still rather have the TN though, I'm sure it would work well enough for the photo editing and 3D modeling that I do, while still allowing me to play games without getting a headache.
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The Apple display uses an IPS panel. That one there is probably a cheapo TN.
IPS and PVA LCDs are hard to find and expensive. The 24" S-PVA I have at worked cost $600 and the IPS version was $985. The TN version was $275.
I agree, comparing a TN monitor to a IPS is like comparing a Civic to a BMW.
Sure this monitor is good, but the Apple one is a Professional grade.
Not counting that it have built-in a 90W MacBook/Pro charger....
Professional grade with a glossy panel. Of course.
People here keep saying that professionals don't like glossy. I know a couple of professionals that make their living doing graphic art, and they prefer the glossy monitors. They, and I, used CRTs for years before LCD panels were available, and those are made from glass and pretty reflective. I do a lot of output to print, and I find the color on the glossy display to be more in line with what comes out of the printer than the matte LCD.
Well, if it is $899 then it is definitely professional. What is there not understand?
CraigJ, you finding the color on the glossy display to be more in line with what comes out of the printer than the matte LCD, is a great proof on how professional you and your friends are, I mean really, why would you adjust your color settings in the monitor and OS? Just buy a glossy screen and magic will rain upon you all.
God help you all.
You must be a real "professional" I am not a professional graphic artist, but I run the adobe color management stuff, and when I print a photo it looks more like what is displayed on the glossy monitor than the matte monitor, so sue me. And yes I have a couple of real life friends that do stuff like this professionally. I understand that we are supposed to bow before your superior knowledge, but in my personal, real world experience, there are some professionals that prefer glossy displays. Of course most of them were probably doing graphic design before you were born.
God help you stuffing your ego in the same building with your head.
CraigJ, I hope that your "real life" "old friends" enjoy the glossiness, if you guys can't figure out how to adjust your monitor's settings to make it look like the printed outcome, then there is some serious problems right here.
Opps, wait a second, the Apple LED monitor has no buttons to adjust the screen? Only software adjustments? No point to go on because all other competition have built in settings' adjustment by default.
God help you all. lol
@ Saad
"Well, if it is $899 then it is definitely professional. What is there not understand?" - sarcasm when you dont have a clue looks kind of bad.
The panel in the Apple display is capable of 8bit color depth while the TN panel (used in this $399 Samsung) is only capable of 6 bit. This doesnt seem much on paper, but in real life it is 100 times more important then very low response times or dynamic contrast and other marketing bullshit. With 8 bit you wont see gradient banding or shitty blacks.
Yes I can fiddle with my monitor's settings all day, because it's made by Microsoft and it's giving me a beautiful experience. I only wish they could put Windows 7 and my beloved Internet Explorer inside the monitor, so I could have two Microsoft operating systems running at the same time, and that would give me a huge amount of pleasure. And if the monitor had a dedicated keyboard I could change the settings with it and if the keyboard also had a little screen I could make it display a picture of Steve Ballmer, because he gives me a beautiful experience every time I think about him.
@Sad Rabid
well said, Microsoft Evangelist make me sick to my stomach, make me like alternatives to Microsoft products better
People like to bash TN panels, but they fail to realize that TN panels have made gaming a reality on LCD panels for a lot of us. I loved the color on my old 20" IPS from Dell, but the response times were garbage. The color on a TN is fine, as long as you aren't a professional artist that depends on having things print exactly the way that you see them on your monitor (in this regard...glossy panels aren't the best)
All of that having been said, Asmor is right. You can't really compare a professional IPS monitor to a TN, especially in price (considering that IPS's are much more expensive to make). I'd still rather have the TN though, I'm sure it would work well enough for the photo editing and 3D modeling that I do, while still allowing me to play games without getting a headache.