Everyone knows Windows Mobile marketshare is FAR larger than the iPhone's. They have dozens of devices on the market, and a massive pool of users. This isn't news. Why would we report it? It may seem like bragging rights to WM users, but in context, this is just business as usual.
Manufacturing drama? The guy demonstrates clear bias in the way you guys report on two companies and that's manufacturing drama.
Given the way Engadget generally reports Windows Mobile stories (with lashings of sarcasm, the essential Apple reference and a generally negative tone) anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the product line was about to collapse. I'm actually surprised to hear that WinMo did outsell the iPhone and it's pretty pathetic that you guys constantly denigrate what is clearly a popular product.
I sure hope you two don't lose your jobs soon because you don't seem to have any problems undermining the products that keep good people employed at Microsoft.
While it's true that MS sold more copies of WinMo on other vendor's handhelds compared to the number of Apple's iPhone sales, it's pretty foolish to compare them directly and think of it as a success for MS. Some things to consider are:
1) MS sells WinMo devices in a considerably more HW, in more countries and on more networks. 2) The devices are typically considerably cheaper. 3) Apple gets paid for the HW and SW sale of each iPhone. 4) Apple doesn't need to remove profit to push old inventory.
Measuring unit sales only works when you compare like things, which is why measuring Macs to Windows has never made sense. Apple is typically the 5th or 6th largest PC vendor in the US, but when you compare OSes it's only 1/9th the size of MS' Windows.
The only relevant measure of a for profit company is its profits. Apple made $1.25 Billion on their iPhone segment for calendar Q4. What did MS make selling 5M OEM copies of WinMo? They would have to have sold each OEM copy to vendors at $250/each to equal Apple's revenue in that same quarter, yet I think I read once that they cost about $8 on average. That would be $40M, which isn't bad, but it's surely not anything great for a major tech company.
PS: I'm glad to see Palm not using WinMo for the Pre and, at least looking like, Palm is back in the running with a decent device. I thought using WinMo-based Palm devices was going to bury them.
“Everyone knows Windows Mobile marketshare is FAR larger than the iPhone's.” If all I read was engadget, no I would not know this. I think Mr. Turner brings up a valid point.
@ Samus Q. Turdburglar: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just as long as you aren't being rude and stupid you have every right to agree or disagree with even the Engadget writers.
Oh and by the way. The guys above do have a point. I can't remember last time I saw "MS has record breaking QX".
But the writers do have a point too. WinMo is on many devices while the iPhone is only 1.
Its a known fact that Engadget users are M$ Windows biased, but yet love to read about anything Apple (its called envy, but no one is willing to admit it here).
It always amazes me how the Microsoft fanboys always manage to mention Apple in a post that has nothing to do with Apple and then complain about Engadget's bias for Apple. You clownshoes are the ones that mentioned Apple IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Actually, I think they deserve to be low-ranked. I love the iPod and iPhone. I think Apple is doing great things to move the market forward. I had a WinMo powered Moto Q and thought it was a piece of garbage. And yet, I still think having Engadget editors trashing somebody for pointing out their obvious biases is totally inappropriate. Engadget does have a point of view, and they should think about that every so often.
If WinMo 6.5 comes out and is half-way decent (who knows, it could happen) or WinMo 7 does the same, they should be open to the possibility of commenting on it in some halfway open way. Like it might be possible.
From the low ranking of the editors, it seems like they're a bit out of touch with their readers and their interests.
I don't want to be banned or lowranked myself, but it does seem very curious how that engadget doesn't say anything that would lead readers to understand that devices with a comparatively ancient mobile OS (WinMo) is still besting Apple's much touted iPhone in sales. If you read only engadget, you'd think that Microsoft was teetering on bankruptcy.
@ Bender Bending Rodriguez : You know pretty much the same principle applies to the zune, fewer countries, trying to compete with a product which has a HUGE head start and pretty much was the pioneer in this market. Cut MS some slack, the guys at the zune team are working hard on their products. And lets cut down on the Fanboism everyone!
The parent comment in this thread brought up the iPhone and Windows Mobile in an article about the ZUNE. Yes, Ross Miller mentioned iPod, as a direct competitor to the Zune, but didn't say squat about the iPhone.
Why the heck does the iPhone and WinMo have to do with the subject at hand?
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BTW...Windows Mobile sales surpassed iPhone sales in Q4... Is Engadget going to report it??
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2569
5M WM & 4.4M iPhone in Q4 2008
Everyone knows Windows Mobile marketshare is FAR larger than the iPhone's. They have dozens of devices on the market, and a massive pool of users. This isn't news. Why would we report it? It may seem like bragging rights to WM users, but in context, this is just business as usual.
Yeah. And equally, the question is, what do the growth trends show?
@Josh
lol
Then why do you report iPod sales? You know it has a FAR larger marketshare than zune/creative/etc..
We mentioned iPod sales in a post about Apple's record-breaking quarter. You're manufacturing drama here. Next!
Manufacturing drama? The guy demonstrates clear bias in the way you guys report on two companies and that's manufacturing drama.
Given the way Engadget generally reports Windows Mobile stories (with lashings of sarcasm, the essential Apple reference and a generally negative tone) anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the product line was about to collapse. I'm actually surprised to hear that WinMo did outsell the iPhone and it's pretty pathetic that you guys constantly denigrate what is clearly a popular product.
I sure hope you two don't lose your jobs soon because you don't seem to have any problems undermining the products that keep good people employed at Microsoft.
While it's true that MS sold more copies of WinMo on other vendor's handhelds compared to the number of Apple's iPhone sales, it's pretty foolish to compare them directly and think of it as a success for MS. Some things to consider are:
1) MS sells WinMo devices in a considerably more HW, in more countries and on more networks.
2) The devices are typically considerably cheaper.
3) Apple gets paid for the HW and SW sale of each iPhone.
4) Apple doesn't need to remove profit to push old inventory.
Measuring unit sales only works when you compare like things, which is why measuring Macs to Windows has never made sense. Apple is typically the 5th or 6th largest PC vendor in the US, but when you compare OSes it's only 1/9th the size of MS' Windows.
The only relevant measure of a for profit company is its profits. Apple made $1.25 Billion on their iPhone segment for calendar Q4. What did MS make selling 5M OEM copies of WinMo? They would have to have sold each OEM copy to vendors at $250/each to equal Apple's revenue in that same quarter, yet I think I read once that they cost about $8 on average. That would be $40M, which isn't bad, but it's surely not anything great for a major tech company.
PS: I'm glad to see Palm not using WinMo for the Pre and, at least looking like, Palm is back in the running with a decent device. I thought using WinMo-based Palm devices was going to bury them.
“Everyone knows Windows Mobile marketshare is FAR larger than the iPhone's.” If all I read was engadget, no I would not know this. I think Mr. Turner brings up a valid point.
You just low ranked TWO engadget editors. Are you kidding me? I really hope they disable comments for this. You guys are ridiculous.
@ Samus Q. Turdburglar: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just as long as you aren't being rude and stupid you have every right to agree or disagree with even the Engadget writers.
Oh and by the way. The guys above do have a point. I can't remember last time I saw "MS has record breaking QX".
But the writers do have a point too. WinMo is on many devices while the iPhone is only 1.
Its a known fact that Engadget users are M$ Windows biased, but yet love to read about anything Apple (its called envy, but no one is willing to admit it here).
It always amazes me how the Microsoft fanboys always manage to mention Apple in a post that has nothing to do with Apple and then complain about Engadget's bias for Apple. You clownshoes are the ones that mentioned Apple IN THE FIRST PLACE.
oh god not this again.
Actually, I think they deserve to be low-ranked. I love the iPod and iPhone. I think Apple is doing great things to move the market forward. I had a WinMo powered Moto Q and thought it was a piece of garbage. And yet, I still think having Engadget editors trashing somebody for pointing out their obvious biases is totally inappropriate. Engadget does have a point of view, and they should think about that every so often.
If WinMo 6.5 comes out and is half-way decent (who knows, it could happen) or WinMo 7 does the same, they should be open to the possibility of commenting on it in some halfway open way. Like it might be possible.
From the low ranking of the editors, it seems like they're a bit out of touch with their readers and their interests.
I don't want to be banned or lowranked myself, but it does seem very curious how that engadget doesn't say anything that would lead readers to understand that devices with a comparatively ancient mobile OS (WinMo) is still besting Apple's much touted iPhone in sales. If you read only engadget, you'd think that Microsoft was teetering on bankruptcy.
@ Alan Stangis: apple was mentioned in the posting
Seriously though, who do I have to call a bad bad name to get the comments turned off.
@ Bender Bending Rodriguez : You know pretty much the same principle applies to the zune, fewer countries, trying to compete with a product which has a HUGE head start and pretty much was the pioneer in this market.
Cut MS some slack, the guys at the zune team are working hard on their products. And lets cut down on the Fanboism everyone!
The parent comment in this thread brought up the iPhone and Windows Mobile in an article about the ZUNE. Yes, Ross Miller mentioned iPod, as a direct competitor to the Zune, but didn't say squat about the iPhone.
Why the heck does the iPhone and WinMo have to do with the subject at hand?