Since Apple intends OS X to only run on a Mac, and all Macs come with Mac OS, all Apple has to do to permanently fix this problem is to label boxed OS X as an upgrade. then it you install it on anything that didn't come from Apple you will be very clearly violationg the liscense.
No, all Apple really needs to do is jack up the price on OS X so that third parties can't make money off it when they resell on non-Mac computers.
Of course, Apple would continue to give actual Mac users discounts which keep the price down near the $129.00 level. They could also keep credit card purchases on file, just in case third party resellers like Psystar try to buy a Mac and then try to buy more than two copies of an OS X licenses.
> "No, all Apple really needs to do is jack up the price on OS X so that third parties can't make money off it when they resell on non-Mac computers."
Exactly. If Apple made OS X $699, this would all be over. Current Mac users would have to provide their serial number when they need an upgrade for $129. Or just not offer shrink wrapped OS X at all.
But I never thought any of this was about other companies making money. Psystar is just doing it to prove a point... and this German company actually said it won't last long. They know they aren't playing by the rules..
Yes and Craig you are defending a corporations right to tell you what to do with a product you purchased from them you didn't rent it you own it, If i want to install it on a different machine and modify it so what ? I bought it, I'm not reselling it or profiting from it, it's a complete joke Microsoft can't tell me what I'm allowed to install the products I buy from them on, no other company in the world acts like that and little iDiots like you actually defend it so you feel a bit better about £1200 you spent on an iMac when i can get better performance out of a home build PC for £300.
Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone.
The thing I never understand is why do iDiots feel so threatened by PCs running OS X, is because their smug superiority complex will be lost forever against people who actually know what their hardware can actually do ?
We don't want Apple to license OS X because then it would become a crapfest of driver support and be unstable just like Windows. Furthermore, remove Apple's hardware margin incentive and they stop making money and you know what happens then? Apple stops making Macs and you know what happens when Microsoft gets 99 percent of the market? Microsoft stops innovating and maybe updates Windows once every fifteen years, exactly like they did with Internet Explorer.
When Netscape was kicking around, Micrososft had a 100 people on their Internet Explorer team. When Netscape died (or got killed) Microsoft reduced that team to 2 people. And we all know what happened then. Microsoft didn't start innovating with Internet Explorer until Firefox appeared on the scene, so these Apple clones aren't good for Windows users either.
Apple could drop Macs altogether and just make iPods and iPhones. Who wants the headache of supporting a bazillion different drivers without the proper profit incentive. The only reason Microsoft makes money off their OS is because they have a monopoly.
no one is debating whether of not you can put your own copy of osx on another pc. you would, of course need to buy a multi-license unless you were just going to install it on that one pc. but it would be illegal to resell it at any price.
you can tinker with it all you want.
but you can't do what zie weimar are doing in this case
" it's a complete joke Microsoft can't tell me what I'm allowed to install the products I buy from them on"
Hardware verification. Ever heard of that?
M$ has a EULA too. Look it up.
"no other company in the world acts like that"
Microsoft (Xbox and Xbox 360), Sony (PS1, 2 and 3), Nintendo (geez, pick a system), Palm (Palm OS), SGI (At least until they opened their platform up, now they are no longer around), SUN (until they opened their platform up, now what condition are they in again?) IBM (They fought clone manufacturers in court), RIM...
The list goes on and on and on...
"Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone."
How was that good for IBM?
It wasn't. The ONLY reason that flew was due to the fact that Microsoft didn't care as long as they were selling more copies of windows. In Apple's case, they would be STRONGLY opposed.
In fact, I believe that all Intel Macs have a TPM chip in place, a chip that, at present, isn't being used. Apple could easily make all future versions of OSX require hardware and TPM verification in order to be installed.
That means VALID serial numbers that are in their database, would be required.
See, Apple keeps track of every single Mac made and sold.
I just bought a Macbook a few weeks ago. I can call Apple RIGHT NOW and they would be able to tell me when I bought it, WHERE I bought it and even WHAT upgrades I got with it.
So, there you have it, TPM and Hardware verification. Call in with a incorrect serial and you don't get the passcode. Don't have an authentic TPM in your machine, no install. Remove or alter those components and maybe other components rewrite them or OSX phones home every time you boot. They can lock it down.
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Since Apple intends OS X to only run on a Mac, and all Macs come with Mac OS, all Apple has to do to permanently fix this problem is to label boxed OS X as an upgrade. then it you install it on anything that didn't come from Apple you will be very clearly violationg the liscense.
No, all Apple really needs to do is jack up the price on OS X so that third parties can't make money off it when they resell on non-Mac computers.
Of course, Apple would continue to give actual Mac users discounts which keep the price down near the $129.00 level. They could also keep credit card purchases on file, just in case third party resellers like Psystar try to buy a Mac and then try to buy more than two copies of an OS X licenses.
> "No, all Apple really needs to do is jack up the price on OS X so that third parties can't make money off it when they resell on non-Mac computers."
Exactly. If Apple made OS X $699, this would all be over. Current Mac users would have to provide their serial number when they need an upgrade for $129. Or just not offer shrink wrapped OS X at all.
But I never thought any of this was about other companies making money. Psystar is just doing it to prove a point... and this German company actually said it won't last long. They know they aren't playing by the rules..
Yes and Craig you are defending a corporations right to tell you what to do with a product you purchased from them you didn't rent it you own it, If i want to install it on a different machine and modify it so what ? I bought it, I'm not reselling it or profiting from it, it's a complete joke Microsoft can't tell me what I'm allowed to install the products I buy from them on, no other company in the world acts like that and little iDiots like you actually defend it so you feel a bit better about £1200 you spent on an iMac when i can get better performance out of a home build PC for £300.
Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone.
The thing I never understand is why do iDiots feel so threatened by PCs running OS X, is because their smug superiority complex will be lost forever against people who actually know what their hardware can actually do ?
@Major4Play
We don't want Apple to license OS X because then it would become a crapfest of driver support and be unstable just like Windows. Furthermore, remove Apple's hardware margin incentive and they stop making money and you know what happens then? Apple stops making Macs and you know what happens when Microsoft gets 99 percent of the market? Microsoft stops innovating and maybe updates Windows once every fifteen years, exactly like they did with Internet Explorer.
When Netscape was kicking around, Micrososft had a 100 people on their Internet Explorer team. When Netscape died (or got killed) Microsoft reduced that team to 2 people. And we all know what happened then. Microsoft didn't start innovating with Internet Explorer until Firefox appeared on the scene, so these Apple clones aren't good for Windows users either.
Apple could drop Macs altogether and just make iPods and iPhones. Who wants the headache of supporting a bazillion different drivers without the proper profit incentive. The only reason Microsoft makes money off their OS is because they have a monopoly.
@ major4Play
no one is debating whether of not you can put your own copy of osx on another pc. you would, of course need to buy a multi-license unless you were just going to install it on that one pc. but it would be illegal to resell it at any price.
you can tinker with it all you want.
but you can't do what zie weimar are doing in this case
"I'm not reselling it or profiting from it,"
These guys are. See the difference?
" it's a complete joke Microsoft can't tell me what I'm allowed to install the products I buy from them on"
Hardware verification. Ever heard of that?
M$ has a EULA too. Look it up.
"no other company in the world acts like that"
Microsoft (Xbox and Xbox 360), Sony (PS1, 2 and 3), Nintendo (geez, pick a system), Palm (Palm OS), SGI (At least until they opened their platform up, now they are no longer around), SUN (until they opened their platform up, now what condition are they in again?) IBM (They fought clone manufacturers in court), RIM...
The list goes on and on and on...
"Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone."
How was that good for IBM?
It wasn't. The ONLY reason that flew was due to the fact that Microsoft didn't care as long as they were selling more copies of windows. In Apple's case, they would be STRONGLY opposed.
In fact, I believe that all Intel Macs have a TPM chip in place, a chip that, at present, isn't being used. Apple could easily make all future versions of OSX require hardware and TPM verification in order to be installed.
That means VALID serial numbers that are in their database, would be required.
See, Apple keeps track of every single Mac made and sold.
I just bought a Macbook a few weeks ago. I can call Apple RIGHT NOW and they would be able to tell me when I bought it, WHERE I bought it and even WHAT upgrades I got with it.
So, there you have it, TPM and Hardware verification. Call in with a incorrect serial and you don't get the passcode. Don't have an authentic TPM in your machine, no install. Remove or alter those components and maybe other components rewrite them or OSX phones home every time you boot. They can lock it down.