Microsoft: New Zune hardware coming this year
By Ross Miller 
posted Apr 7th 2009 12:22AM
posted Apr 7th 2009 12:22AM
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Sweet, my first gen is getting a little bit old.
Mine's still going strong!:D
Sell it to me!
Awwww hell no. I had it in high school which is why its not working as well any more, but I'm not getting rid of it.
same, got mine in september for 130 brand new, and still doing great. I am in love with the zune software.
please, please, microsoft, don't let us down.
I love my aging first-gen as well. The last few comments from Microsoft regarding no new hardware this year had me tempted to pick up an ipod. Glad I saw this!!
My only complaint though is that Microsoft is not doing anything to push for third-party support. Everywhere I look someone is crapping out a new iPod speaker dock, or some new type of car integration is introduced.
What do we get as Zune owners? Jack.
It makes me a sad panda :(
When thinking about new designs and the new Zune a question comes to mind...
So?
Dear MS, please integrate XNA game deployment into the Zune software so users don't have to jump through hundreds of hoops to play my game.
PS: A community games store would also be awesome (free would be even more awesome)
make zune available in europe?
as far as i'm aware you cannot buy one here 'officially'
Is the world ready for new zune fugly? (am not an apple fanboy)
What for? There's no money in it for Microsoft. Only a handful of people are going to buy a Zune with so many other media players around.
I don't think it'll do MS any good to update Zune hardware, without changing the controlling aspect of activating the hardware. I had a itouch(I know so what) and initially it was great(then the 2g launched shortly after) but I soon realized that I watched fewer and fewer movies on it and listened to less music on it because of the hassle. I had constant problems getting movies on and off it if my content was on a new pc cause I synced it to my old one, so it wants to wipe it, old pc crashed(macbook no less) I couldn't restore my music/movies from the ipod.
So other then a mid it's useless, I set out to get a mp3 ended up with a Zune 120, I was PUMPED, the reviews proved the Zune was superior to the ipods as a pmp. I couldn't use the hardware without using the zune software that everyone said was horrible, so I figured I'd install it to activate then move to something else. But it refuses to install without me installing microsoft update, I'm puzzled at the need of this when I already have system update. I couldn't help but think it's a shady way for ms to get it's hooks further into my system, I couldn't justify the install of it and sadly had to return the zune. Long story short I ended up with a Cowon o2 and a Cowon s9(neither required a software install) for my wife we are pleased, part of me still feels zune is the one that got away. I am convinced this is the reason the zune sells poorly if Ms doesn't make it out of the box ready the new zune won't do so well either. Ms is way too controlling as is apple, if they cut the crap they can set a proper contrast to apple cause zunepass is superior to itunes/store imo. Restriction gains them nothing but inconveniences the none hacking content paying customer apple proved that to me.
my first gen is also still kicking ass... ( :
about god damn time.
A contender for the iPod Touch perhaps ?
Too true; a touchscreen is long overdue, but I still want the squircle.
I think I'd still wait until the software gets added to WinMo to get a touch screen "MP3 player." Something with a removable battery would be great.
nope, from an inside source, the big thing this year will be HD radio implementation, my sources are good so trust me, the first "zune" with a touch screen will be in a software form, on windows mobile 7
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/touch-zune-4.jpg
that is definitely what is being released seen it in person... an inside in manufacturing(shipped over 2000 to MSFT last month)
I can't wait to see what they put out. I love the zune.
I love mine too.
And the Zune software. I still like winamp more interface-wise, but the Zune software has really grown on me.
Plus the subscription plan is a great value. Unlimited music (and I haven't found anything I couldn't download yet... except for the Chili Peppers which is boggling), AND they recently made it so you can download 10 songs a month to keep.
So.. for the cost of 1 or 1.5 CDs, ($14.99/mo), I get unlimited music, plus 10 songs a month to keep.
Anybody still downloading $0.99 songs from iTunes?
One way you can tell that a product truly sucks is if people go out of their way to say it's a great product when no one asked the question.
You mean like apple fanboys?
These guys were simply sharing a mutual love of a great piece of tech. Don't let brand blind you. Apple has no patent on coolness.
That's true in a sense, but usually with Apple products, a reviewer on a site like Engadget will give a review saying they like such and such Apple product and then the trolls will quickly descend to give a number of reasons why the Apple product is overpriced, and lacking in features or to say how someone else did it better first.
And then you will get a few Apple fanboys defending. With the Zune, the fanboys are defensive from the very beginning, before anyone has even criticized it.
"One way you can tell that a product truly sucks is if people go out of their way to say it's a great product when no one asked the question."
Actually there is a pretty common trend of people who bash the Zune, 90% of which can't possibly have ever used it (or the market share would be way up).
No harm in helping other consumers make decisions -- its not like I get a Steve Ballmer check in the mail every month.
Also, for those of us who don't "steal" music, its worth mentioning when a great subscription service comes along.
For some reason most people I know cling to a sense of "ownership" when it comes to music, which is perplexing to me. With all of the DRM out there, its not like anybody actually owns a song. Really, you're just renting it, and if your media ever gets accidentally deleted or your CD breaks, you're pretty much SOL.
If you buy more than 5 songs a month from iTunes (or any other service at roughly $1.00 a song), or if you buy even one CD a month, the value proposition for a subscription service blows the traditional practice of buying your songs out of the water.
I happen to like the Zune subscription service, others may not. It comes down to whether or not you think you can get everything you want out of it. I encourage people to do the math.
@P.A.C Man
I do not think the iPod does anything better than the Zune at wats its supposed to do. Mind you I'm talking about the 120 or 80 here.
Storage? check
Interface?check
Sound Quality? check
Subscription service? check
Device stability? check
Device features? check
-- now tell me something the Zune lacks that the iPod has. I see, that stupid scroll wheel ? or the smudgy bling back ?
don't bash the zune cos it was late on the scene. It is true to what it was made to be.
I do not own a Zune nor an iPod. I'm not a fanboy. I'm just an informed customer and not a dolt.
@Sisyphus
You know how many companies, Microsoft included (PlaysforSure), tried subscription services and failed? In essence, you're encouraging people to embrace a business model that has been rejected numerous times already in the market.
@shravan
Let me guess. You're one of those people that refuse to acknowledge that iPod touch exists, right?
*continued:
Lets say over the course of 40 years you buy one CD a month at an average of $12.99/CD, with each CD having an average of 12 songs each (http://www.askdavetaylor.com/do_most_music_cds_have_12_tracks.html). I'll assume that everything over the next 40 years is in 2009 dollars, so don't worry about inflation.
Option 1: Buy 1 CD a month:
40 x 12 x $12.99 = $6,235.2
40 x 12 x 12 tracks = 5,760 songs
~ $1.08 / song
Option 2: Buy 12 iTunes songs a month:
40 x 12 x $11.88 = $5,702.4
40 x 12 x 12 tracks = 5,760 songs
$0.99 / song
Option 3: Buy a monthly subscription service:
40 x 12 x $14.99 = $7,195.2
Assume you want between 0.5% and 1% of the overall Zune library: ~10,000 -- 20,000 songs
Between ~$0.71 / song, $0.35 / song.
That's not even counting the fact that in option 1 or 2, the songs that you buy are static. They remain those songs and those albums forever. In a subscription service, you can swap out whatever you want, and add new music as you go at no additional cost to the service. So assuming you download 50-100 new songs every year, that cuts the price per song down even more dramatically. Whats more -- if you buy more than one CD or more than 12 iTunes songs a month, the costs balloon upward in comparison to the subscription service!
Besides, you might not even be listening to that track you downloaded yesterday in 10 years, so what would be the point of "owning" it?
Hope this was helpful to someone!
-Sisyphus
@PAC Man
It really doesn't matter if any of the models fail. $14.99 or thereabouts a month for a service that works is valuable for the experience you can get out of it.
If the service conks out eventually, you haven't "lost" anything, because the value of the service is presumably gained while you are subscribed -- the point is not to own the music, because its way cheaper over a long timeline (or even a short timeline).
Plus you can jump into access of hundreds of thousands of songs without having to buy them individually. In those scenarios I listed before, if you're buying 1 CD a month its going to take a while for you to develop a library of music to listen to. Unless you're rich and can buy them all at once, it doesn't make sense for most people financially to buy music in the traditional sense.
Then again, people seem to be perpetually stupid with their money (think of all the people that download $2 ringtones or $5 songs from Verizon), so you may be right -- outrageously priced purchase models may be around for a while.
@Sisyphus
Very nice. Reminds of the Napster advertisements when they finally went legit and tried to sell their subscription service. Didn't the ad say something like:
15,000 songs on iTunes = $15,000
15,000 songs on Napster = $15
Let me repeat:
SUBSCRIPTIONS. FAILED. IN. THE. MARKET.
stuck in the 90's.get with the times. try all touchscreen,wifi/accelerometer/appstore,browsers etc.,.
Pac man, you're kidding right? A good way to know a product sucks is when people say that it rocks before someone says it's sucks. That is the dumbest thing I've read in my life.
That's like going to a pizza place and having to wait for someone at the table to say the pizza sucks so you can defend it. Wtf dude.
@ PAC Man
"SUBSCRIPTIONS. FAILED. IN. THE. MARKET."
I'm not sure where you're getting this. Is this some sort of common knowledge that I'm not aware of?
How come when I load up my Zune software I can still download all I want from a huge library?
I'm confused.
@Sisyphus, who said: "I'm confused."
That's the problem.
YAY for internet debates!
Because NOBODY ever loses on an internet debate.
"Option 2: Buy 12 iTunes songs a month:
40 x 12 x $11.88 = $5,702.4
40 x 12 x 12 tracks = 5,760 songs
$0.99 / song"'
Isnt a song on iTunes $1.29 now? So basically much expensive than actually purchasing a CD?
Yes on iTunes a song for new release I believe is $1.29, but for current songs it is .99 cents. And for older songs is .69 cents. Their new pricing model requested by the record labels, in return for a complete DRM free catalog from them.
Regarding Subscription vs Download, I say to each his/her own money. But it is true that as a business model, subscription has not done well (see all the other failed/close-down stores that were pushing subscription music). Napster at one point had commercials out pushing hard subscription over downloads, even when they themselves were also offering downloads. "Do the Math". What happened to Napster, Yahoo, URGE etc. etc. etc. years later? Just because you may like subscription does not mean it's a viable business model.
As a whole, most prefer to own their own stuff than rent. Even after doing the so called math. Plus I don't have to buy all my music wink wink.
"YAY for internet debates!
Because NOBODY ever loses on an internet debate."
The shades of gray suggests P.A.C. Man loses. And I agree.
What kind of a fool argues for LESS choices?
the failure of the subscription model is where the Zune comes in.
keeping 10 songs at the end of the month not only strengths option 3 into its own realm
but also defeats all arguments against the subscription model presented in this thread thus far.
the Zune's major failing was really the Zune pc software...which it's self made you want to go to Africa and beat up starving orphans...
imo.
For years, I managed my music with Windows Media Player, until Zune 2.0 came along. I found it to be so much better that I switched completely to the Zune software. Zune 3.0 improved the program a lot and I don't use WMP for anything anymore. Zune has completely replaced it with its nicer, more efficient user interface. If you still think this software is crap, you obviously haven't used it lately.
I really like the Zune software. Give it a try; run it for 1 week, that's all. It opens faster than iTunes, in my experience it is more responsive, and there are some nice visual effects; When you have a song running and you don't touch the mouse, you'll see a very cool artistic visualization pertaining to the band with some cool info on it.
Also, it's nice that you can customize its look and the music waves at the bottom are awesome.
I think the Zune 1.x software left a bad taste in peoples' mouths, even though I liked it, and now they're unwilling to try the new, much better software.
Zune has come a long way, and I'm glad to say I was with it from the beginning.
Have you even used the software?
I'm guessing not.
If you have, what didn't you like about it?
'Till we get an answer specifically stating what you hated about it you shall be considered a troll.
Pretty much everybody who's tried it, and not an Apple fanboi, has loved it.
Like RioRyan, I used and loved Windows Media Player for years. It organized music so much better than iTunes, and I did use I for a long time when someone gave me a first gen iMac. Not much has changed for it today as far as organization and the ability to obtain accurate album information. I got the Zune 80 when it came out and haven't looked back since. And since they integrated the album info feature like in WMP i've never had a reason to go back into WMP when it came to music. The software is amazing in my opinion, i just wish it had integration into Windows Media Center
I am a zune user and a happy one, but i have my qualms with the desktop zune software. I think a lot of my annoyance comes because my last pmp was an archos and with archos whatever is technically possible is a ok. with the zune however its a bit iffy, ever tried to copy something back across from your zune to your PC, works sometimes not always. ever tried to hook up your zune to a pc thats not yours and access the contents, too bad. What bothers me is that the software is beautiful and that these are not technical limitations but decision made by goons in suits at microsoft. For once Microsoft listen, if I break the law with your software, I am liable, you dont need to take responsibility. All I want to do is watch a podcast i downloaded on a 20 inch screen instead of a 2 inch screen without having to download it again, is that too much to ask?
I am looking to ditch my iPod Touch because it lacks some of the Zune features. So hopefully this is a really significant update. As far as the Zune software goes, it completely blows iTunes out of the water. I could not believe that program was made by Microsoft. It really is as fast as others say it is. It opens a lot faster and is more intuitive to use. Very graceful looking software that does not feel like you are using software at all.
Hopefully the next Zune is better than the next iPod Touch.
hope not a buttonless Zune shuffle.
That's exactly what it will be. You'll have to use your thoughts to control it.
Can I use my own mind-controlling abilities? or do I have to buy a MS-licensed third party mind-controlling device?
The major drawback...if you are pissed at the boss, it'll shock you with gansta rap.
Zing
Zing
Zing
and Zing.
Nice thread guys. :)
Queue office space moment:
"I dont talk to my mother so I talk to my diary!"
I want something touch screen but sill affordable
@jack, I've done all the things you've mentioned in the last 2 months and had zero problems with any transferring. I got a new HDD and I did a fresh install of XP before I left as an exchange student this semester and put all 28ish GB of my music on my Zune 30 and when I reconnected it after the install I connected as a guest ripped all the music off my Zune back to my hard drive. I'm pretty sure I'm still syncing as a guest I maybe wrong though. I don't really understand what you are saying about the podcast at the end there though so no comment on that. Either you don't own a Zune and your trolling or you do own a Zune and you did something wrong and not the Zune.
Palm Pre
iPhone 3.0
New Zune
Gessh .. everybody is holding out each other's custumers from buying their products
how are the iPhone/Pre and Zune in the same league?
I wonder how long it'll be before we see this new hardware, or at least get more details on it. I've been more then happy with my 8GB flash Zune, but I'd really want to move up to more storage, as my music collection alone has grown over 8 gigs in size. I've been waiting to see what we could expect from the next gen players.
I'm guessing September...just like last year.
not that long: http://12tb.com/browse/Electronics/283468011/Zune
Nooooo.....
I'd rather hear about a next-gen handheld from Microsoft rumor... which would be sweet if it looked like this one: http://www.gizmowatch.com/images/xbox_handheld.jpg
I like the design, but an xbox portable needs two thumbsticks; it just does.
I've always had the idea that there should be a design for a thumbstick that you can press in to flatten for storage, but press again to extend, like a clicking pen cap.
typical wm fanboy wishfull thinking.,.,stop dreaming , they will have 2.5 years to clone iphone/touch n will still fail.guaranteed.
@ shank
typical Apple fanboy. I am an S60 user, not WM. The iPhone/iPod is not a fail handheld gaming device, it's just NOT a handheld gaming device. It doesn't have the controls that would make it a better handheld than a 1989 gameboy.
I was going to give props to Engadget for actually using a photo with some new Zunes again... but now it looks like the photo has just changed to the giant Zune logo. Perhaps they noticed it was the 2nd. Gen units and now they're scrambling to find the 30GB photo? :)
I just hope it has a fully functional browser. Hopefully Opera!
Lulz, Microsoft porting Opera to the Zune.
I'd be happy enough with a Trident-based browser on my 120.
Yay new Zune hardware...........Er wait a sec.........Oh yeh, I'm in the UK, it would be nice just to get some first gen hardware :(
well if the marketplace goes international im sure there will be a subsequent device release.
http://www.zuneboards.com/?p=vB41500
I'm in the UK and using a Zune 80. I just imported it. Plenty of sites that will let you do that.
lets hope they decide to sell it outside of U.S/Canada this time as the zune isn't for sale in UK:(
They need to seriously undercut apple's prices as their software is better so unless its significantly cheaper then the zune will fail again.
The Zune software makes iTunes look like the bloated whale of a media library it is.
I just got a new 120 in December Q.Q
I love how the Zune flash has the screen space for a 2.4 inch display and uses a postage stamp sized LCD...ROFL!
I love how the iPod shuffle has space for controls on the player itself, yet it has none... ROFL!
That's called advanced technology. Something the Zune crys for.
I'm sure Apple is crying all the way to the bank.
The latest numbers indicate that the Shuffle has seen a 50 percent increase in sales since release.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/04/new-ipod-shuffle-saw-50-percent-sales-increase-in-first-week.ars
Any numbers on the return rate when the poor uninformed consumers discover the unnecessarily complicated controls? Or that their headphones are incompatible? People usually buy apple because even the most simple of simpletons can figure out how to use it, this is NOT the case with the new Ipod shuffle and I think the return rate will prove that.
also, it doesn't matter if an apple product is good. Many people will buy it just because its newer, smaller and "easier".
@Lewislink
You mean that same "advanced technology" that's been on the Disk Man for 15 years? I'm sure that's the kind of "advanced technology" the Zune crys(sic) for.
@P.A.C Man
"...sales of the iPod shuffle rose by over 50 percent IN THE FIRST WEEK THAT THE DEVICE WAS ON SALE"
The Apple faithful will always buy a new product when it's first released no matter how bad it is. As evidenced by the MacBook Air's high number of sales upon release and then almost no sales later.
"Overall iPod sales, however, are down."
Sales of the shuffle increased when it went on sale.
NO WAY.
How well was it selling before it went on sale?
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PASS! A+ Great job!
I've been waiting for this ever since I lost my 80Gb Zune in November. Do you hear me Microsoft? I waited for you! You better not disappoint me.
Looking forward to getting a bigger refurb Zune. My $99 Woot Zune has been great. Love having a radio in my MP3 player. No complaints other than Microsoft trying to screw me over with the Zune Pass. Somehow, they claim their billing is in arrears and they charged me a month after I cancelled. Eventually got my CC to overturn it, but they were aholes during the entire process. F it, I'll just bit torrent things now that I experienced what the Social is like.
They were pretty nice to me when I ran into that issue, having used both BT and Zune Pass, I must say, the zune pass is worth it, even if only for the convenience of On-device access, and not having to worry about a ratio. However, when a recession comes, there's only one option... Plus, the Zune selection was a bit lousy at times, and I had issues where an album is available one month, and retracted the next, as well as artiists that insist on charging full price for albums, although the 10 songs a month helps to alleviate this.
Buy a damn CD and support the artist you want to listen to damnit!
Unless you listen to (most) rap, then do whatever the hell you want.
recent survey showed that iphone is partly responsible for the death of zune..,believe it?
Nah, the Zune was doomed from lazy management. Look at what has been offered by the Zune program.
TROLL DETECTED.
Recent survey shows that Shank is a jealous little kid who is afraid to talk to girls.
See, I can do that too.
Damn, I just got a brand new 8gb Blue Zune player...as a gift ugh! Didn't even open it yet...I guess I will try to sell it for $110 bucks on ebay or amazon...sigh
apple has already given zune the formula, all they have to do is go to clone shop.
3.5 inch widescreen/accelorometer/light sensor/wifi/browser.,appstore etc.,what more does apple have to do,hand microsoft the blueprints,.lol!!!ms has 8 months to release this,2 plus years too late and 12 million ipod touches sold.
iPhones and iPods aren't allowed in Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer's homes. They go directly to Microsoft's research development labs.
let's see if they will have international languages support this time.......a feature iPod has since very first gen.
it'll be nice if they expand zune to asia....
of course, i may be the only one there to buy it....
Awesome. I have been using a Zune30 forever now, and outgrew it about 6 months ago. Ive been waiting on something new to come out so I could snatch up a 120 when the price falls.
non-touchscreen mp3's are a thing of the 90's.
get with the times. Try all touchscreen wifi,browser .,etc u could learn a thing or 234.