Dell may have
ditched the 12-inch Mini netbook, but for those still looking for something a touch larger than 10-inches, there's the all-new
Inspiron 11z. Strictly classified as a "
thin-and-light," this three-pound machine measures in at just one-inch thick and ships with a 1.2GHz Celeron 723 processor, a 1,366 x 768 LED-backlit panel, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, a 250GB (5400RPM) SATA hard drive, GS45 integrated graphics, WiFi, a 3-cell battery and nary an optical drive to speak of. There's also a 1.3 megapixel camera, twin stereo speakers, an Ethernet port, three USB sockets, a 3-in-1 multicard reader and an HDMI output, though we get the feeling Windows Vista won't be too happy with the hardware. Thankfully, you can drop your $399 now and snag Windows 7
on the cheap here in just a few months.
[Thanks, Joe]
posted Aug 18th 2009 10:06AM
I'm definitely looking for something larger than 10 inches. Although being just one-inch thick is a dealbreaker.
He. He.
Aww, poor Dell! They were expecting your cash. This is just sad news. :( /s
@temmy: thats what she said.
twss
no VGA port? how to do a presentation for business user?
HDMI
usb to dvi adapters or other adapters
Inspiron notebooks are not aimed at the business user, there are plenty of Latitudes to satisfy your needs.
Very nice. Although I think battery life might be an issue with a Celeron CPU and only a 3-cell battery. Also, does anyone know how the GS45 graphics compare to the 9400Ms going into all the Ion machines?
GS45 is much, much worse. HD videos should play alright but you can forget about 3D rendering, i.e. games.
You think you can play games and render 3D with a 9400m ? Lol
Ion is better than Intel graphics but it still isn't exactly a games machine.
My laptop has 9400m and I can paly L4D on high setting. It's not going to run crysis but it's not too shabby either.
Most of you guys just like to bitch. If it is a gaming machine, you guys bitch about price too high or not enough battery life. If it is a ultra portable machine, you bitch the lack of gaming power. If you do find one that meet your requirements, then you will complain about some random atheistic reason like the LCD is not matte.
And now begins the blurry-ing of the line between Netbook and Notebook
bout time too
For this very reason, Dell specified this as a "thin-and-light", creating the new niche, the Neotebook.
Why Celeron?? CULV please!
The Celeron 723 is CULV. CULV stands for consumer ultra low voltage, and is Intels brand for a line of CPUs that include the Celeron 723, Pentium SU2700 and several Core 2 Solo and Core 2 Duo variants.
ahh didn't know that. Thanks.
It still sucks though. Wait 6 months and CULVs are going to be dual core and with better clock speeds as well as Turbo mode. Basically they will be stock at around 1.2ghz but then overclock to 2ghz if the cpu thinks it can.
How does this processor compare against Acer's upcoming Aspire 1410 (1.4GHz Intel Core2 Solo SU3500) processor regarding Speed? I haven't been able to find a speed comparison chart.
This Celeron IS dual core.
I love how Dell is putting more USB ports on their netbooks than they did on my Insipiron 1318.
anybody know differences in power usage and speed between the Celeron and CULV (SU3500)?
According to Wikipedia the SU3500 uses 5.5W and the Celeron 723 uses 10W.
Yeah but the Acer is almost twice as much. I think several Benjamins make the comparison apples to oranges.
@archer
not really, there is the acer 1410T that is only 450$ so... no its not double the price... and the 11z has a 6cell option
Celeron? Seriously? What is Dell too cheap to use the Core 2 Solo u3500 (1.4ghz) that are in all the Acer Timeline's?
Too cheap? that cpu will increase the price by 200usd.
glad they ditched the Mini 12 for this. It had a slow-ass 80GB HDD, Atom AND cost $500 minimum. This is much more like it, though I'd like to see battery life numbers and benchmark speeds before pulling the trigger.
Good stuff - looking forward to reviews of this (performance, battery life)...
Wow, talk about underwhelming.
For 50$ more you can get an Acer 1410 with a 6 cell battery, similar dimensions,and a Core2Solo SU3500 (none of this neutered 1.2 GHz).
But that's an Acer. I'd rather have hemorrhoids than an Acer.
I think Acer has really improved their game recently, I'm not worried about buying from them.
Why do I have a feeling that this celeron will be slower than Atom N280?
it wont be. Even tho the celeron has a lower ghz its still faster. but still they should of put the core 2 solo u3500 1.4ghz in them insted.
Correct me because I know I'm wrong, but...
Isn't that a slower processor than what's on the market now?
Or is a 1.2GHz Celeron faster than a 1.7GHz Atom?
GHz mean nothing when you're talking about different chip architectures. The Celeron is faster than the Atom.
The Celeron 1.2 is faster than an Atom 1.7 but consumes slightly more power
to Matt
here is the paradox:
who is faster?
1) a smaller dude who run slower (atom)
2) a bigger dude who run slower (celeron)
jd... what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox
The Celeron will be about twice as fast as an Atom, out-of-order Vs in-order.
What's with the huge ass bezel? The top and sides are okay, but look at the bottom where the Dell logo is - it's HUGE. Maybe it's just the pics, but it looks really bad to me. I can't stand when companies put in a huge bezel when they could've just made the screen a bit bigger.
Otherwise it looks quite nice. I'd like a larger battery, but only if it doesn't stick out the bottom (I don't like when batteries angle notebooks).
It's actually likely to be much faster than the Atom, which has a max. TDP of 2.5W, whereas the Celeron 723 has one of 10W.
Guys, jeez. Try clicking thru.
Here's what Dell says:
"When compared to the Atom N270 processor, commonly used for netbooks, the Intel Celeron® 723 processor improves productivity by up to 40%(7) and has up to a 39%(8) better CPU performance."
And the footnotes read:
(7) "Based on BAPco SYSmark 2007 Preview testing by Dell Labs in July 2009 comparing an Inspiron Mini 10v system with an Intel Atom N270 processor, 1GB of system memory, and 128MB graphics memory to an Inspiron 11z with an Intel Celeron 723 processor, 2GB of system memory, and 780MB of graphics memory. Actual performance will vary based on configuration, usage and manufacturing variability of doing day to day activities like data analysis and common office applications."
(8) "Based on Futuremark PCMark2005 testing by Dell Labs in July 2009 comparing an Inspiron Mini 10v system with an Intel Atom N270 processor and 1024MB of memory to an Inspiron 11z with an Intel Celeron 723 processor and 2047MB of memory. (Actual performance will vary based on configuration, usage and manufacturing variability.)"
Meh for 50$ more you can get the Acer Timeline 1410 :\ Which is same specs but 4gb ram, 320gb hdd, and core 2 solo processor (most likely way better than the celeron crap)
HOw does this compare to the Gateway lt3103u being sold at best buy for $379? This has an Athlon 64 single core running at 1.2Ghz and a dedicated graphics chipset. Will the Gateway perform better across the board? Just asking because was actually considering picking up the Gateway.
-sun
The Gateway has a six-cell battery, which gives it an edge over the 3-cell Dell, though the TDP of the Gateway is 22W versus 10W for the Celeron. Source:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a/News/Gateway-LT3013u-and-Acer-Aspire-A0751h-compared/
I'm in the market for a netbook for university and I'm just wondering how this stacks up against a 1.6ghz Atom? I am comparing this to the 1005 ASUS EEE. This obviously has more ram and hard drive space so thats a big plus, the CPU is my only worry.
What do you guys reckon?
That Celeron is not that great and it consumes 5 times more than your usual Atom N280, plus the battery included is just a 3-cell so don't expect this thing to run for more than 2 or 3 hours.
I'd go with the Eee 1005HA-H, plus with €120 euros more you can upgrade the HD to 500GB and the RAM to 2GB.
Celeron is ALOT faster than an Atom but nowhere near as good battery life.
If you need it for work don't touch an Atom.
"If you need it for work don't touch an Atom."
Nonsense. For the stuff typical students need for study (Word, a PDF viewer, researching on the web), any netbook is absolutely fast enough, and it's also good enough for the majority of other things normal people do on a small netbook (play music, watch DVD rips, Facebook, Twitter, light photo editing etc).
Flash-heavy sites, higher-res Flash videos, HD videos and games are the only things that cause problems on an Atom-based system, and as nobody is going to use a netbook as only computer or gaming machine (or need HD video playback on a 10" screen, for that matter), that's really not a big deal imho.
Actually, high-resolution, quite a few games, and even Photoshop CS3 run pretty well on the Atom (especially the 1005). HD video and big games made after 2006 are just about the only things that are going to cause trouble.
I'd definitely go with the 1005 (upgrade to 2GB RAM), since if you were buying a computer to play games, you wouldn't buy an Inspiron 11z, either.
Bump the ram and battery; then trade in that integrated stuff for an Ion chipset and we can talk Dell. You could even raise the price by $100 and I wouldn't say anything. Until then...
i wonder if it had a full size keyboard, if it going to come in other colors soon, if we can slap more ram in the 11z ????? I just gave my mini dell 9 to my daughter. i need something new :-)
I think this laptop only has 1 slot for ram, therefor 2GB instead of 4GB are included.
Or at would make sense since 2GB of RAM is so cheap nowadays.
death to VGA and IE6 while I'm at it
Good:
Great overall design
Comfortable screen size and resolution
Decent overall specs
HDMI (that can easily be converted to DVI or VGA with adapters)
Bad:
Bad CPU (not THAT much better than the N280 and it consumes around 5 times more)
Small battery for a 11.6' screen laptop (only 3-cell)
Keyboard layout not that great (no PgUp\PgDn\Home\End on directional keys)
The 4500MHD graphics card is ok but there are way better options for that consumption range like the ION 9400M
Unfortunately it comes with Windows Vista SP1 by default, so you'll have to downgrade or upgrade later.
Anything you buy with Vista now will come with a 7 upgrade, A celeron 1.2 Ghz is about twice as fast as an Atom. It does suck that it uses 5x the power but if you need to do proper work on real apps then an Atom doesn't cut it. This is a cheap ass notebook you know.
It needs a 6 cell battery and the 1.4ghz CULV processor.
I don't know, this whole dilution in the notebook area of computing kinda worries me. I like the idea of lower power consumption and lighter weight notebooks. But the way they are taking this is designing some nice case but then slapping in old parts. The prices aren't terrible...but I'd expect something more than hacking together some older parts/architectures.
Its a new Celeron, based on C2D. Celerons have been around for a LONG time this is nothing new at all, Celeron will always be cut down versions of Intels top line chips of the time the name is meaningless, even the new cheap Pentiums are based on C2D.
Better that the Facebook/Twitter/MS Office using masses use a 5.5W SU3500 than a 44W Core 2 Duo.
If you buy a cheap Dell then you deserve what you get.
A cheap and perfectly capable small and light device with a little more oomph than an average netbook? Doesn't sound half-bad to me.
Enjoy your macbook. No need to crap on everyone else.
Does a generic USB DVD drive work with the BIOS of Dell's 'z' series laptops? Or is the External DVD sold by Dell the only option? (eg. 11z and 14z)
Well then explain how Acer managed to use an SU3500 with a 6 cell battery for only $50 more?
umm... cheap labor?
...didn't say otherwise Major4Play.
But the client will still get "Vista recovery discs" and not "Windows 7 recovery discs". That's was my point.
I'm also just guessing that any smart user would pick the the SU3500 seen on some new ACER laptops over the Celeron 723 since the laptops sell for similar price points, the consumption is only half (5.5W vs 10W) and the performance is at least around the same. (couldn't find enough tests regarding the maximum performance of these 2 CPUs tho so if someone does please enlighten us)
Regarding my tests on the N270 it ran Photoshop very well, and that is probably one of the more complicated programs you're gonna run with some frequency in a laptop without a graphics card with the same or better power than the 9400M.
i only like fast computers
this is not fast
This computer is not meant for you.
*lol @ those obscure shots to hide that THICK bottom bezel*
I really don't understand why companies just can't get it right. I've been waiting for the magic recipe for months and it has materialized. Asus, Acer, Samsung, Dell, HP, LG...etc.etc. keep releasing models with exactly the same specs. I mean I know MS XP req. were keeping the specs pretty standardized but with Win7 looming I was expecting for something more exciting.
Let me just spell it if anyone is listening..:
- 10-11" 1,366 x 768 LED-backlit
- Intel SU3500
- Nnidia Ion + HDMI out
- 6 cell battery
- 3lbs weight
- Sub $600 price
- No optical drive
- The rest, i.e. RAM, hard drive etc. really don't matter as long as they are upgradable - not even talking about webcam, wifi, card reader since these should be in any laptop/netbook
- Added bonus would be good styling, nice keyboard layout and as little bezel as possible
That's the recipe for me, and from the other comments I've been reading all these months it seems like a lot of people are looking for the same thing. So here you go companies, no need for expensive market research (if you actually do that sort of thing anymore).
Well Acer offers the ATI 3330 gpu on their larger(13in, 14in, and 15in) Timelines and there are some rumors they may offer it on their 11.6in model also.
@AI do you have a source for the rumor the 11" may see the ATI gpu? That would be fantastic if it did!
I agree the 1410 is almost ideal, and if it offered a discrete graphics solution I would be sold. Although not sure how the Intel/ATI one compares to the Ion platform in terms of power consumption, supposedly there are power savings in the Ion platform with regards to the chipset as well. I really don't understand why there isn't more adoption of it yet.
Could it be that companies are waiting for Win7 before they release new iterations or is Intel secretly pulling strings to sell their chipsets together with the processors....
can i throw osx on it? hehe
A glossy screen only?
Otherwise I still do look for the proper hackintosh / OSX86 device as long as there's no 12/13" matte MacBook again
Doesn't compare very well to the Acer 1810t with a slightly faster processor and legitimate 8 hours of battery life for only 50 USD more....
I can't find the Acer Aspire 1810t NOR the Acer 1410 available for sale in North America anywhere. And the pre-order pages for the 1410 seem to be over $100 cheaper, so I'm not sure why everybody is comparing the two as "$50 more for the 1410".
Can somebody post a link showing either one of these actually available anywhere?
The Acer's seem to have gigabit rather than 100Mbps Ethernet. Doesn't matter.
They have a bigger hard disk. Doesn't matter. I'll be putting in an SSD anyway.
They have 802.11n rather than just b/g like the Dell. Nice upgrade, mostly for the extra range.
They have a 6 cell battery available (if they were available).
The Acer's are 1.2 inches thick max where the Dell is just over an inch. So the Dell is cheaper.
The Dell has a worse keyboard layout and that stupid trackpad from the Mini 10. Probably livable though.
The Acer's have a better CPU. Both horsepower and battery.
So I still have my Dell Inspiron e1405, I upgraded the RAM to 4gb from 1gb. Runs pretty still. The only thing is that I paid almost $1200 for this laptop. I guess it was worth the money when it first came out. I already learned my lesson though. NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM DELL! or atleast buy it upfront.
This would be nice to do a hackintosh on.
Why Celeron, Why only 3-cell battery ???
Can the hdd be easily upgraded to ssd with runcore? What is the interface? Is the ram soldered in? can it be upgraded to 4g?
Is the keyboard eq to the Samsung NC10 or better?
Does the screen has edge-to-edge glass like mini 10?