PCI Express 3.0 specification formally delayed, products pushed to 2011
By Darren Murph 
posted August 23rd 2009 4:12AM
posted August 23rd 2009 4:12AM
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posted August 23rd 2009 4:12AM
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Worth the wait, i don't see to many consumers really caring. I don't think PCI-E is the bottleneck in most systems anyways.
I mean what will this affect, RAID controllers and gfx cards?
PCI-E 3.0 add-on cores for your aging processor!
Just kidding, but this is good news, since I wont have to upgrade till 2011.
Don't Trust This Story! It is already out in Hong Kong China!
In the mean time, I want some cake.
THE CAKE IS A LIE
As long as PCIe 3.0 cards are backward compatible, consumers should not notice anything.
In other 2011 news: Netbooks are still using intel GMA950 graphics. :P
Arrandale != GMA 950
Arrandale != Atom Netbook
Why so whiny today, eng? Didn't get laid yesterday?
Putting up with 2.0? Too bad most current GPUs are just recently starting to saturate 1.0's bandwidth. It will be a generation or two before 3.0 is even going to be useful. They can delay it as much as they want. It's a lot better than rushing something out that isn't fully tested and functioning correctly, especially when it will be a while before it's even going to come in handy.
Exactly, PCIe 2.0's (x16 slot) 8GB/sec is plenty even for the highest end GPUs.
I wonder if 3.0 would negate any performance loss from running Crossfire/SLI in x8/x8 modes if the motherboard did not support dual x16.
Well... and that might also be the point. Since there are becoming more and more products available for the PCIE slot (SSDs, very high end computation cards etc...) which actually might make use of the bandwidth, or even need more! The PCIE 3, and that's just speculation, might not only allow for higher bandwidth, but might also bring a bit different design that'd allow such devices to access RAM directly or other periferies on the board without bottlenecking CPU or any other chip, which could bring a lot of speed to the table.
I for one am just about to buy a PCIE card that speeds up raytracing, has no output, but serves the CPU during the software rendering. The bandwidth currently available is actually blocking the performance of the card. Even though it'll decrease the rendertimes drastically, the unlimited bandwidth could have helped to speed even this up a notch, which is always nice... ;)
so this is how i see it, everything that is yet to be released is a '3'
USB 3.0
SATA 3.0
PCI Express 3.0
and the one im defo waiting on, ... nvidia gtx300
DDR3 also, but we've had that for a while.
Firewire V3.0
aka FW3200
Blue Tooth V3
I don't see why this is a big deal. Very few things would actually benefit from a speed boost over PCIe 2.0 anyway, demand for this won't be there until '11 at least. The SIG would be crazy to release a spec without legacy support, adoption would be incredibly slow if manufacturers were forced to include 2.0 slots as well to ensure all the cards on the market now work with their systems.
the system works on mobo's for cpu slots and ram types, why wouldn't they just manufacture boards with just 3.0 and boards with just 2.0? if you're buying a whole new mobo with 3.0 specs...then you'd buy a card with 3.0 specs to go with it, regardless of backwards compatibility
Thats incredibly stupid, if i upgrade my mobo, i dont want to upgrade my gfx card, say you have a £1000 workstation card, thats not cheap to replace... Or what about my HD4850, its still going to be a good enough card when i get a new mobo...
exactly...if your high end workstation card doesn't need 3.0, why would you upgrade your mobo to one with 3.0 in the first place?
What if you had a MOBO failure...and you still have a 1k gfx card...?
I don't mind being wrong, but I'm guessing there's a lot of hardware that just didn't meet sales expectations because of the economic down-turn of the last year, and companies aren't feeling the need to create more to fill warehouses, so they're slooowing it dowwwn.
this reminded me of Draft-N / IEEE 802.11n its not yet approved but its out there that would not be good if it was rushed.
Still using my Ti4200 on AGP.
Im still rocking a ATI 9250 on AGP 4X
Used to have a ATI 9250 aswell (2 days ago) till I updated to a HD4890, that thing has chugged along fine for years.
i think it's because of the delayed new Intel Architecture.
Now they can release a new Architecture, everyone will buy a new Mobo and the latest 2.0 GPU. Then, one year later, the fastest GPU's get sold as PCI Express 3.0 only and everyone who wants a new GPU then, will have to buy a new Mobo again, too.
So easy. Without the one year delay they will sell less items.
And everyone here talks about 'Not that bad, Worth the wait, PCI Express 2.0 is already fast enough'. Don't you get it? No one cares if 2.0 is fast enough. If there aren't any 2.0 high end cards sold any longer, then you will have to buy a 3.0 compatible board to use the latest GPU.
Sure, you'll be able to use a 1.0 or 2.0 card in a 3.0 slot, but you won't be able to use the whole power of a 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot.
The only reason for delay is: money.
my friend, a gtx295 doesn't even come near maxing out pcie 2.0, and that's dual gpu (which most people stay away from). I think we're fine for a year or two. and even when it does come out, I doubt that using a 3.0 card on 2.0 will affect performance much, like using a 2.0 card on 1.1 didn't affect performance (maybe 1-2 fps).
what are you guys on about?
the 5870 will use at least 8x PCIe 2.0 lanes of bandwidth, knock it up to the 5870 X2, and hello, we've got a bottleneck, hence why some people are saying that there won't be a 5870 X2.
Pretty sure the 4870 is already maxing out the x8 PCIe 2.0 interface. I've seen lots of reports of 4870 Crossfire X on P45 motherboards being slower than on X48 motherboards, so...
Then again, that could be due to a lot of things, not just the limited bandwidth on the P45s.
Im going to buy 2 5870x2 with 4/8 gigs of ram each.
Hell why not just load the game directly on the gfx card?
Good news. I hate changes in standards...the further apart the changes are the happier I am :)
What a shame...we need this additional bandwidth BADLY in servers too....great another delay in technology we NEED to open up bandwith interconnects internally.
Yeah, I've been waiting for some of this stuff for awhile. I'd like all PC's to use no legacy ports, things like parallel and ps/2 ports look ugly and clutter up the back port layout. USB, Displayport, S/PDIF, and power is all most people really need. Pretty much everything else could be added via USB except for things like firewire or esata. But those can easily be added with cards. I'd also like to see more motherboards with wireless N antenna nubs on the back. I know most desktop users like to just use ethernet but it certainly simplifies my house if I don't need cords running everywhere or having to put custom faceplates and cat 5e in every room.
My Basic wishlist is:
Integrated GPU with more than enough power to transcode video and accelerate modest 3D applications (things like Google Earth and Blizzard games).
Integrated Digital TV/HD radio Tuner
Either HDMI with 7.1 audio via hdmi cable or Displayport with S/PDIF
6-10 SATA 3 connections.
6-8 USB 3.0 connections and enough bandwidth to actually USE all of them.
EFI or Heavily upgraded BIOS that allows wireless and other modern hardware to work during boot.
Something like this seems achievable in the near future... oh well, I can dream.
Well "SATA 3" has been out for ages!!! You just don't get the numbering system.
here is how it works:
SATA = 1,5 Gbp/s
SATA 3 = 3 Gbp/s
& for all the noobs the new SATA system is
SATA 6 = 6 Gbp/s
Only SSD can make full use of SATA 6 since SATA 3 HDD strugle to saturate SATA @ 1.5Gbps
Also if you really cared about performance you wouldn't bother with fake/soft RAID crap thats on your mobo & get a real RAID card instead which runs fine on PCI-E 8x 1.0 or PCI-X.
An upgraded BIOS or EFI would be appreciated by me also.
Asus has a line of motherboards with Wifi built in (look for the Wifi/AP versions of their performance motherboards), but I would like to see this become a mainstream addition as well.
I would leave out the TV-Tuner/powerful integrated graphics to keep the costs down (maybe make a luxury package with these included in). Basic 3D-graphics that's good enough to handle Aero is good enough for me. Anything more should be kept in expansion slots to avoid northbridge or your only graphics driver overheating.
Ummmm no,
SATA 1 = 1.5 Gb/s
SATA 2 = 3 Gb/s
SATA 3 = 6 Gb/s
I have no idea where you came up with that numbering system but it's not right at all. SATA is going from gen 2 to gen 3, not gen 3 to gen 6, that makes no sense whatsoever.
You'd think people who "correct" others would actually make sure they know what they're talking about first.
@ RedMosquito
You're an idiot, the use of SATA II (SATA II has become SATA 3) has been discontinued & Generation 3 of SATA will be refered to as SATA 6.
@ RedMosquito
READ THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_6_Gbit.2Fs_.28Third_generation.29
You are the one that doesn't know jack shit!
Nope...wrong...
SATA v1=1.5gbits
SATA v2=3gbits
SATA v3=6gbits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
Here, read up about it here mate!
"You are the one that doesn't know jack shit!"
They are still going to call it SATA(v3/gen3)6GBits
Seeing as how software barely utilizes PCI express v1, I am not sure this is a horrible thing.
yes still waiting for the (2011) integrated gpu and everything 3.0 for the perfect mobo.
Good luck playing Crysis 3 with that.
I'm not bothered - I'm still rocking AGP and DDR.
No, I don't play games, but I'm still waiting for the SW to catch up with the increasing in HW power.
To the person who said "Most people don't need legacy ports"
You have probably never worked in infrastruture at a company larger then 50 people. It's easy for you to upgrade the printers, scanners, computers ect in your home.... Try doing the same thing when you have a 100,000 computers and 80,000 different accessories that use Serial/Parallel spread over 25 countries for various things. There are benefits to serial and parallel that some of the new technologies have yet to achieve (including driver support in proprietary electronics interfaces that only use DB9 serial Comm).
The vast majority of the worlds large electronic systems still use serial and parallel (in some form) to interface between computers and the unit (take our UPS's that run our remote monitoring servers) ect.... Massive shipping companies like UPS and Fedex use the serial interface on many of their mechanical diagnostic tools, ect ect.
I was just thinking the other day how annoying it is when the market as a whole tries to force people into a new spec without at least offering support (maybe not on every model, but a few) for past standards. The computing world's major revenue source is not the zit faced WoW gamer and his 4 GPU Lan party/porn theater computer, it's the businesses with massive infrastructure that have spent millions on writing programs that are compatible with every computer from DOS ----- Win XP (many pieces of mission critical hardware do not support USB ect).
We need that backwards compatibility, so hopefully vendors will keep it, because if they don't Enterprise businesses will just take their billions of dollars elsewhere. I wish everything had a USB port too, but it doesn't. Until then, I would like to be able to keep my hardware current, but only without running the risk I may not be able to perform my job function.
no offense thought, but just buy a 15$ parallel card.
when i buy a state of the art ROG gaming mobo it just kills me to see DB9, 2 ps/2 ports, parallel, floppy controlers, ATA, BNC, PCIv1 etc....
Im not pushing you into a standard,
I just what the basics so I get a blazzingly fast system.
6x SATA
4x PCIEv2
6 ram slots
and a shit load of FW and USB.
thats all gamers need.
If you work for a latency intensive business the buy one of those MOBOs.
people like you are forcing me into latency standards!