"And thus their main marketing point against PCs becomes bull"
hahaha! Another dumb-ass that has no clue about the difference between viruses and trojans. It's been 9 years since OS X came out and there are still ZERO viruses. Where are the OS X viruses big boy? show us proof!
If OS X was impervious to viruses and trojans, then why would it need anti-virus? Figure that one out, dumbass. I find it funny that you essentially censored my post when you replied. Censor this: FoxKenji, you're a dumbass and you're full of bullshit.
Consumers don't care what it's called... Malware, virus, trojan. Just because they can't get one of the three, doesn't mean they are happy about being able to get the other two
So you're going to take security advice from Symantec of all companies? Read the comments above you, they beg to differ from the perfect Mac world that you're imagining in your delusional mind.
Trojans and viruses are quite different, and this isn't virus protection. Read the article- while Engadget may be using the generic term 'antivirus' to describe this, it's really just Trojan protection. Trojans are applications you as the user have to install in your computer to have anything happen- you even need to provide your password if you've set one for your accounts.
"... No computer connected to the Internet is completely immune to all viruses and spyware..."
Jeez. Take an Operating Systems class. Even Apple themselves says that even OS X can have viruses. That's not to say Mac OS X users aren't well protected. It just means viruses are possible.
"If OS X was impervious to viruses and trojans, then why would it need anti-virus? Figure that one out, dumbass." Lando Calrissian
You don't deserve that screen name, Lando. Or maybe you do: Lando ratted out Solo to the Empire...
Anyway, about your conundrum with figuring out why OS X needs an antivirus... It's based on something that's been figured out for millions of years: if something's possible, you take measures against it.
"Never being attacked by a sabertooth in your cave" might be a result of a sabertooth never finding your cave, or it might be the result of keeping close watch and lighting a fire any time one comes near the cave. Either way, you are entitled to say "Never attacked by a sabertooth."
And... Who still says "dumbass" anymore?
So Lando, I'll leave you with some words from Han Solo: "Hey, you lost her to me fair and square."
I'm sorry but you are talking just about as much nonsense as FoxKenji. The idea that the presence of anti-malware software implies the presence of malware is just ridiculous. Are you suggesting that we are about to see a flood of malware for the Macintosh platform due to this software? The situation tomorrow will be just the same as today, which essentially boils down to the only real malware to the Macintosh platform being delivered in Torrents of pirated software, something that I honestly hope continues (software pirates deserve to get burnt).
I will finally note that the Apple's main marketing point is simply that they aren't Windows.
An operating system that is requires human input is vulnerable to trojans; fact. Contrary to generic viruses, trojans require by definition user authorization. In absolutely no way can an operating system prevent that, other than keeping a black list of know trojans and reporting the user once it's found. And to all those whiners that claim that once Apple marketshare grows, the virus threat grows.. no. The amount of trojans and possible malware available is correlated with marketshare, that's probably true. But the amount of actual virusses and malware that has serious malicious effects on the system is also a matter of how well an OS is built; and objectiviley-speaking OSX is pretty securely built.
Whether "viruses" and "trojans" are technically different is irrellevant. To the average consumer, if it fucks up your computer, it is a computer virus... even if it is a trojan. So, even if it is true that OSX absolutely cannot get a virus (a claim I find dubious, but for the sake of argument I will accept), the fact that it can get a trojan means that the advertising claim that Macs are "virus free," while technically true, is still misleading to consumers.
I am amazed that anyone, except an Apple apologist, would care what the difference is. If it fucks up my computer, I don't give a shit what its called, I just want to prevent it before it infects my computer or get rid of it after.
In your desperate and sorry attempts at ignoring the truth in order to prove your point now you sink into discrediting software security companies. Why would I take the comments of MS fanboys over Symantec's? You're amusing me more than I'd like to admit.
You, as a desperate MS fanboy, will employ the classic straw-man strategy: Accuse me of having said something I never did and then attack me for it. Go ahead and point out the times when I've said the Mac world is perfect. Oh that's right, I never said such a thing.
Anyway, I'll keep asking you the same question as before: Where are the OS X viruses big boy? Where are they? Did you know OS 9 had viruses? But ZERO in OS X. That's right, in 9 years of trying, virus makers still fail at making an OS X virus.
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And thus their main marketing point against PCs becomes bullshit.
Well, not really. Macs still don't get viruses which I'm pretty sure was the message they were trying to carry across.
No, it was pretty much bullshit from the start.
@ Lando Calrissian
"And thus their main marketing point against PCs becomes bull"
hahaha! Another dumb-ass that has no clue about the difference between viruses and trojans. It's been 9 years since OS X came out and there are still ZERO viruses. Where are the OS X viruses big boy? show us proof!
@FoxKenji
If OS X was impervious to viruses and trojans, then why would it need anti-virus? Figure that one out, dumbass. I find it funny that you essentially censored my post when you replied. Censor this: FoxKenji, you're a dumbass and you're full of bullshit.
@FoxKenji
Consumers don't care what it's called... Malware, virus, trojan. Just because they can't get one of the three, doesn't mean they are happy about being able to get the other two
@FoxKenji
So you're going to take security advice from Symantec of all companies? Read the comments above you, they beg to differ from the perfect Mac world that you're imagining in your delusional mind.
Trojans and viruses are quite different, and this isn't virus protection. Read the article- while Engadget may be using the generic term 'antivirus' to describe this, it's really just Trojan protection. Trojans are applications you as the user have to install in your computer to have anything happen- you even need to provide your password if you've set one for your accounts.
@ FoxKenji
From: http://www.apple.com/getamac/faq/
"... No computer connected to the Internet is completely immune to all viruses and spyware..."
Jeez. Take an Operating Systems class. Even Apple themselves says that even OS X can have viruses. That's not to say Mac OS X users aren't well protected. It just means viruses are possible.
"If OS X was impervious to viruses and trojans, then why would it need anti-virus? Figure that one out, dumbass." Lando Calrissian
You don't deserve that screen name, Lando. Or maybe you do: Lando ratted out Solo to the Empire...
Anyway, about your conundrum with figuring out why OS X needs an antivirus... It's based on something that's been figured out for millions of years: if something's possible, you take measures against it.
"Never being attacked by a sabertooth in your cave" might be a result of a sabertooth never finding your cave, or it might be the result of keeping close watch and lighting a fire any time one comes near the cave. Either way, you are entitled to say "Never attacked by a sabertooth."
And... Who still says "dumbass" anymore?
So Lando, I'll leave you with some words from Han Solo: "Hey, you lost her to me fair and square."
Because I'll be on my 8th year of not having to worry about viruses? Or because Snow Leopard (apparently) added AV *and* speed improvements?
Yeah, I'm really gonna cry myself to sleep tonight.
Actually, I kid for effect. I haven't worried about viruses since I ditched Windows for Linux in '95. OS X is a new hobby for me.
@USE
I haven't worried about viruses at all because I'm vaguely competent.
@Lando Calrissian
I'm sorry but you are talking just about as much nonsense as FoxKenji. The idea that the presence of anti-malware software implies the presence of malware is just ridiculous. Are you suggesting that we are about to see a flood of malware for the Macintosh platform due to this software? The situation tomorrow will be just the same as today, which essentially boils down to the only real malware to the Macintosh platform being delivered in Torrents of pirated software, something that I honestly hope continues (software pirates deserve to get burnt).
I will finally note that the Apple's main marketing point is simply that they aren't Windows.
An operating system that is requires human input is vulnerable to trojans; fact. Contrary to generic viruses, trojans require by definition user authorization. In absolutely no way can an operating system prevent that, other than keeping a black list of know trojans and reporting the user once it's found.
And to all those whiners that claim that once Apple marketshare grows, the virus threat grows.. no. The amount of trojans and possible malware available is correlated with marketshare, that's probably true. But the amount of actual virusses and malware that has serious malicious effects on the system is also a matter of how well an OS is built; and objectiviley-speaking OSX is pretty securely built.
Whether "viruses" and "trojans" are technically different is irrellevant. To the average consumer, if it fucks up your computer, it is a computer virus... even if it is a trojan. So, even if it is true that OSX absolutely cannot get a virus (a claim I find dubious, but for the sake of argument I will accept), the fact that it can get a trojan means that the advertising claim that Macs are "virus free," while technically true, is still misleading to consumers.
I am amazed that anyone, except an Apple apologist, would care what the difference is. If it fucks up my computer, I don't give a shit what its called, I just want to prevent it before it infects my computer or get rid of it after.
@ Lando Calrissian
In your desperate and sorry attempts at ignoring the truth in order to prove your point now you sink into discrediting software security companies. Why would I take the comments of MS fanboys over Symantec's? You're amusing me more than I'd like to admit.
You, as a desperate MS fanboy, will employ the classic straw-man strategy: Accuse me of having said something I never did and then attack me for it. Go ahead and point out the times when I've said the Mac world is perfect. Oh that's right, I never said such a thing.
Anyway, I'll keep asking you the same question as before: Where are the OS X viruses big boy? Where are they? Did you know OS 9 had viruses? But ZERO in OS X. That's right, in 9 years of trying, virus makers still fail at making an OS X virus.
You got pwned!