HEHE i want that snow leopard runs on my PC officially. Will be very much happy to kick off my Windows from PC on that day. Then it will be only me, Linux and Leopard.
if Apple allowed OSX to run on regular PC hardware i would be more than happy to put it on my machine simply to see what all the fuss is about. i have nothing against the OS. i just would never ever pay they price they want me too for a laptop.
You don't get it. The reason Mac OS X works so well is because Apple make the software AND the hardware. It is because the software integrates so perfectly into the hardware that Mac less are likely to crash and have problems. If you tried to put Mac OS X on normal mix-n-match PC hardware, it would have a laundry list of problems, unfortunately. Plus, their hardware is much higher quality than most other PC vendors. Most companies don't use precision cut aluminum and glass, they just give you crappy plastic that cracks, warps, and feels just plain cheap. And they are much more power efficient at the wall as well as on batteries than PCs, case in point, their laptops last for 5, 7, and 8 hours, where most PC are lucky if they get 2-3. When you get a Mac, you do get the full premium package, and the cost is totally justified (maybe not for the MacBook Air, but for all the others).
@ ZM Macbook Airs have been known to exhibit cracks at the hinges and so does the Iphone 3G showing hairline cracks on the back casing. Older MBP are known to have warped casing that shows with time (I personally own a MBP that has a slightly warped screen. I can literally see the curve) This one is my personal opinion, but the macbook chassis does actually feel pretty cheap in terms of the feel of the material.
So if you really really think that apple's hardware are higher quality then you really do not know much about apple products. Also, their hardware is not exactly higher quality in any way. the manufacturer are still the same, they don't make their hardwares better just because it's for apple.
P.S. I've also forgotten to mention the case of the exploding iPhone in france as well as complaints about the new phones overheating thewhite casing to a light brown. (btw, if you want to, search past engadget posts. They're all there.)
But imagine all of the crappy HP laptops that end up back at Geek Squad for various problems... And how many of your non-techie friends have Windows machines full of spyware and other annoying crap and don't even realize it.
No computer brand is immune from problems. That said... I wish all my friends had Macs.... so I wouldn't have to clean them out anymore.
While I will agree with an argument that having control over the hardware of an OS ensures (some aspects of?) that OS's stability... how the hell is precision-cut aluminum and glass related to the quality of the OS?
I thought that processors used in Macs were made by Intel? That video cards were made by either nvidia or ATI? Mac builds all that stuff on their own? Wow.
When you look at what Apple actually "makes" from a hardware side you will be a little disappointed.
You have to be kidding me about Apple's hardware quality. I have a "precision cut aluminum" unibody MBP. I had to exchange my brand new MBP several times because it had scratches and chips in the aluminum. Beyond cosmetic issues, the screen was a major letdown. "Stage lighting" at the bottom of the screen (Genius tried to convince me this was part of the design since the other MBPs at the store had the same problem) and severe light bleeding at the corners. Also, what the heck is up with the hinge? It's luck of the draw whether you get a stiff hinge or a really loose hinge. I complained to Apple that my lid would fall back whenever I used my MBP on my lap (on top of a laptop cushion) and I was told that "it's not a laptop--it's a notebook that has to be used on a table. The loose hinge is a feature." AAAAAARGH. They have excuses for everything and try to spin them as positives.
I like Apple's software and I like the design of their hardware, but their quality control sucks.
@Zachary Machat: I resemble that MacBook Air comment. I've had 2, both for travel. Great little machine for the road. Stores and plays all kinds of media. Connects to the home office from any hotel in the world. Makes updating travel arrangements a breeze. It's light, it's solid, it's stylish, and fits just right on those little foldout tables in business class. Of course, at home I've got a MacMini file/media server that watches the home front and a MacBook Pro for work. But, the MacBook Air is worth the money for a well rounded and efficient road machine.
@ kojo87: I gotta agree with Zachary Machat. You're paying for the best hardware/software experience possible. Apple has always tightly controlled the hardware so the software can perform its most elaborate magic tricks -- the Mac Experience. Slapping it on any old box would create so many compromises that it would more closely resemble a Windows PC. In fact the Apple hardware template is so universal that I can build a single master install disk image that will install and run perfectly on any Mac model made within the past 5 years. And I've been doing just that by the hundreds for the past 15 years. And every one of those machines runs rock-solid for years.
@ mikethevee: Nobody claims that Apple's QC is any better than any one else's. It's that they build the hardware to a very tight set of specifications and those specifications are generally the same in all current model Macs. And, yes. Computers blow up sometimes. That's why there are Extended Warrantees. I've built some Frankenstein Macs in my day, overclocked CPUs, 8 hard drives and no more PCI slots in a G4 Mirror Door. And yes there was a fire but it wasn't that bad.
evidence is evidence especially with pictures to prove it. Apple used to have a track record of having nicer quality build on their older products but as they expand their quality drops which is pretty much the same thing that happens to extremely big corporations like Apple.
I love how PC homers think the only thing that makes up a computer is the processor and GPU. "I built my own computer for like $300 with an Intel chip and an Nvidia graphics card so my hardware is the same thing as a Mac." Don't be ignorant.
This may be just aesthetics, but the next time you're at the computer store that sells macs, pop the side panel off a mac tower and you'll instantly see why the machines command the price premiums they do. Someone showed me the insides of a dual socket, quad core tower this afternoon and it was truly beautiful to look at. The guts of the machine are nicely laid out -- all the drive bays have push-to-release sleds, the PCI slots are easily accessible and all have great machined and finished screws, and processor heat sink looks like a work of modern art.
I don't know crap about the technology of PCs, but I know that everything about the inside of that mac screamed quality and excellence, and something tells me it's not just lipstick on a pig....
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HEHE i want that snow leopard runs on my PC officially. Will be very much happy to kick off my Windows from PC on that day. Then it will be only me, Linux and Leopard.
if Apple allowed OSX to run on regular PC hardware i would be more than happy to put it on my machine simply to see what all the fuss is about. i have nothing against the OS. i just would never ever pay they price they want me too for a laptop.
@kojo87
You don't get it. The reason Mac OS X works so well is because Apple make the software AND the hardware. It is because the software integrates so perfectly into the hardware that Mac less are likely to crash and have problems. If you tried to put Mac OS X on normal mix-n-match PC hardware, it would have a laundry list of problems, unfortunately. Plus, their hardware is much higher quality than most other PC vendors. Most companies don't use precision cut aluminum and glass, they just give you crappy plastic that cracks, warps, and feels just plain cheap. And they are much more power efficient at the wall as well as on batteries than PCs, case in point, their laptops last for 5, 7, and 8 hours, where most PC are lucky if they get 2-3. When you get a Mac, you do get the full premium package, and the cost is totally justified (maybe not for the MacBook Air, but for all the others).
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@ ZM
Macbook Airs have been known to exhibit cracks at the hinges and so does the Iphone 3G showing hairline cracks on the back casing.
Older MBP are known to have warped casing that shows with time (I personally own a MBP that has a slightly warped screen. I can literally see the curve)
This one is my personal opinion, but the macbook chassis does actually feel pretty cheap in terms of the feel of the material.
So if you really really think that apple's hardware are higher quality then you really do not know much about apple products. Also, their hardware is not exactly higher quality in any way. the manufacturer are still the same, they don't make their hardwares better just because it's for apple.
P.S. I've also forgotten to mention the case of the exploding iPhone in france as well as complaints about the new phones overheating thewhite casing to a light brown. (btw, if you want to, search past engadget posts. They're all there.)
It's all anecdotal evidence anyway...
But imagine all of the crappy HP laptops that end up back at Geek Squad for various problems... And how many of your non-techie friends have Windows machines full of spyware and other annoying crap and don't even realize it.
No computer brand is immune from problems. That said... I wish all my friends had Macs.... so I wouldn't have to clean them out anymore.
youre right, my compooter is only as fast as its case and monitor. i shouldve bought that new $700 case! wouldve been so fast!
While I will agree with an argument that having control over the hardware of an OS ensures (some aspects of?) that OS's stability... how the hell is precision-cut aluminum and glass related to the quality of the OS?
Wait, why am I... never mind.
I've been duped!
I thought that processors used in Macs were made by Intel? That video cards were made by either nvidia or ATI? Mac builds all that stuff on their own? Wow.
When you look at what Apple actually "makes" from a hardware side you will be a little disappointed.
@ Zachary Machat
So true; the Apple manufactured hard drives are worlds beyond anything Seagate or WD can put out. Same goes for the Apple branded processors.
All kidding aside, I had no comparability problems installing OSX on my year-old XP system.
@Zachary Machat
You have to be kidding me about Apple's hardware quality. I have a "precision cut aluminum" unibody MBP. I had to exchange my brand new MBP several times because it had scratches and chips in the aluminum. Beyond cosmetic issues, the screen was a major letdown. "Stage lighting" at the bottom of the screen (Genius tried to convince me this was part of the design since the other MBPs at the store had the same problem) and severe light bleeding at the corners. Also, what the heck is up with the hinge? It's luck of the draw whether you get a stiff hinge or a really loose hinge. I complained to Apple that my lid would fall back whenever I used my MBP on my lap (on top of a laptop cushion) and I was told that "it's not a laptop--it's a notebook that has to be used on a table. The loose hinge is a feature." AAAAAARGH. They have excuses for everything and try to spin them as positives.
I like Apple's software and I like the design of their hardware, but their quality control sucks.
@Zachary Machat: I resemble that MacBook Air comment. I've had 2, both for travel. Great little machine for the road. Stores and plays all kinds of media. Connects to the home office from any hotel in the world. Makes updating travel arrangements a breeze. It's light, it's solid, it's stylish, and fits just right on those little foldout tables in business class. Of course, at home I've got a MacMini file/media server that watches the home front and a MacBook Pro for work. But, the MacBook Air is worth the money for a well rounded and efficient road machine.
@ kojo87: I gotta agree with Zachary Machat. You're paying for the best hardware/software experience possible. Apple has always tightly controlled the hardware so the software can perform its most elaborate magic tricks -- the Mac Experience. Slapping it on any old box would create so many compromises that it would more closely resemble a Windows PC. In fact the Apple hardware template is so universal that I can build a single master install disk image that will install and run perfectly on any Mac model made within the past 5 years. And I've been doing just that by the hundreds for the past 15 years. And every one of those machines runs rock-solid for years.
@ mikethevee: Nobody claims that Apple's QC is any better than any one else's. It's that they build the hardware to a very tight set of specifications and those specifications are generally the same in all current model Macs. And, yes. Computers blow up sometimes. That's why there are Extended Warrantees. I've built some Frankenstein Macs in my day, overclocked CPUs, 8 hard drives and no more PCI slots in a G4 Mirror Door. And yes there was a fire but it wasn't that bad.
evidence is evidence especially with pictures to prove it. Apple used to have a track record of having nicer quality build on their older products but as they expand their quality drops which is pretty much the same thing that happens to extremely big corporations like Apple.
I love how PC homers think the only thing that makes up a computer is the processor and GPU. "I built my own computer for like $300 with an Intel chip and an Nvidia graphics card so my hardware is the same thing as a Mac." Don't be ignorant.
This may be just aesthetics, but the next time you're at the computer store that sells macs, pop the side panel off a mac tower and you'll instantly see why the machines command the price premiums they do. Someone showed me the insides of a dual socket, quad core tower this afternoon and it was truly beautiful to look at. The guts of the machine are nicely laid out -- all the drive bays have push-to-release sleds, the PCI slots are easily accessible and all have great machined and finished screws, and processor heat sink looks like a work of modern art.
I don't know crap about the technology of PCs, but I know that everything about the inside of that mac screamed quality and excellence, and something tells me it's not just lipstick on a pig....
I'm running Leopard on a Dell Mini 9 and it works great.