Long-rumored versions of HTC's ubiquitous
Touch Diamond2 and
Touch Pro2 have finally been made official for AT&T -- but perhaps more notably, they mark AT&T's very first forays into the
WinMo 6.5 arena as Microsoft officially unleashes the latest version of its mobile platform on the world this week. The Pure (pictured left) is a particularly heavy rework of the Diamond2's industrial design, shedding the square metal-adorned shell for a glossy black plastic one while carrying over the 3.2-inch WVGA display and 5 megapixel autofocus camera. Meanwhile, the Tilt 2 resurrects the
Tilt name -- dormant since AT&T's version of the
TyTN II made way for the
Fuze last year -- bringing a 3.6-inch WVGA display, full QWERTY keyboard with tilt-up display (hence the name), full duplex speakerphone, and a 3.2 megapixel cam. The Pure will be the first on shelves, available
already (ahead of Microsoft's official release on Tuesday, interestingly) for $149.99 on contract after a $50 rebate; the Tilt2 comes "in the following weeks" for $299.99 after $50 rebate.
posted Oct 5th 2009 12:01AM
Definately liking the GUI
For you, I hope it has spell check as well.
As far as standard themes go, it's definitely one of the simplest yet slickest ones I've seen.
Remember that saying, something about books. And their cover... I'll get it, hold on...
Teslanaut,
I think that's how so many people fell for the iPhone.
You know, for 2+ years, it had
No Copy/Paste
No MMS
No Video recording capabilities
No turn-by-turn voice navigation software
No way to edit documents
No voice command
No tethering whatsoever
and a ton of other lackings, all the while garnering undue praise for mostly non-savvy tech adopters, due to their ignorance of other options out there...but wait, the GUI was kind of nice (which by today's standards is stale and trite)
Still living in the past WindowsFTW???
Heshmati4,
Follow the dialogue a bit more meticulously.
Here are the top 3 reasons why people would buy a WinMo phone:
#3 WinMo is the only Stylus mobile OS on the market
#2 Grandpa is more familiar with Stylus OS
#1 Grandpa is paying for the phone
letterman...isn't there some low level staffer you should be railing? every time i see you post in a winmo related topic, i wanna pull an ari gold and tell you to get the fu-- out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGz3uyCNZCM
Dr House.
The great tragedy and irony in your statement is that WM phones have already supported HD (in one form or the other...for fks sake, the iPhone doesn't even have a VGA resolution, let alone WVGA, let alone being able to output HD externally)
WM phones have been far more capable in terms of features.
WM phones now have more processing power too, capacitive multi-touch capabilities (yay, let's screw over the 1+ BILLION people in the world that need precise handwriting recognition), and GUI's that serve to manifest and magnify just how plain, trite, and boring the iPhone's grid of icons is...get with the program Apple, slapping the same ugly set of icons, on the same screen, for 3 years does not innovation make.
And yet...you're hear harping incessantly about how MS needs to get with the times, and how WM phones are done for once iPhone HD comes out, when all the while WM phones courtesy of MS and their respective manufacturers have had the capability for some time now.
You don't have to wait for iPhone HD, go out and buy yourself an HTC Leo and get with the times, rather than being stuck in 2007.
One of the more important questions I see nobody asking is - do these devices have 3.5mm headphone jacks?
The Pure is confirmed to be a NO. If AT&T doesn't put the 3.5mm on the TP2, this device fails instantly in my book.
Yeah, buy something called the Tilt again?
2 years ago I bought the ATT Tilt when it appeared to be the best on the market for my uses. To say that was a mistake was an understatement. Keybard buttons broke within a few months, bezel peeled up, had to uses custom roms to make it useable, and battery life was the worst. I pray anyone looking to buy a Tilt2 dosn't have the same horrible experience I did. 2 years worth of counting down the days I can switch carriers and replace it.
Although these two look real slick I'll hold out for my N900 thank you!
I loved my Tilt, it was such a great phone, had no problems with it, though I don't have it anymore I gave it to my dad and now have android. One thing I notice that I find amusing in these constant battles is that you have 2 very different camps. The iPhone and Android for now are just good for screwing around with your phone as a time killer, not so good for anything productive. WinMo is good if you actually want to be productive, with my Tilt I used it a lot for productive things then realized why the hell am I trying to be productive with my phone, I don't want to have further means to do work. So, I have Android, its not productive, but I love it.
$299?!?!?!?!
Bye bye AT&T!
I wont miss you.....
You seriously pay for your phones? ive never paid for one. the people at those stores want to get you on a contract at all cost. price isnt too much of an object if you know what your doing ;-)
I paid a penny for my LG Dare in Amazon.
Good luck getting the TP2 for free from AT&T.
AT&T is the last of the major 4 carriers in the US to launch the TouchPro2 and $300 is the second cheapest price. Tmobile and Sprint have it for $350 after $100 rebate. I was hoping AT&T was going to be more inline with Verizon on the phone pricing. On the plus side I think the AT&T version is the only one launching with WinMobile 6.5.
Want.
Got.
Does TouchPro2 have a headphone jack? I hope so, I could have just bought the unlocked HTC version, but waited for the AT&T version hoping it would have a headphone jack... I hope I didn't wait for nothing...
M
The Touch Pro2 unlocked doesnt have US 3G bands.. so you would be missing more than just a headphone jack..
At&t's version of the TOUCH PRO 2 i.e. Tilt 2 looks the worst out of the 4 major US carriers.
No, that's the T-mobile version. Ugly colour and ugly front facing buttons.
At least this looks like the stock TP2 with its chrome beveled edges.
i personally think it looks the best, i like that they kept the silver trim on the outside, and it looks most like the unlocked touch pro 2 which i think looks great, and i love blue so this phone is looking pretty sexy to me
I agree with SwineFlu... i prefer the look of the Verizon and Sprint more than the Tmobile, and I prefer the ATT least (least only cause of the chrome bezel - glare). I'm on ATT. I'm waiting to find out what's happening with the SE Rachael and the HTC Touch HD2, and will switch to the carrier who carries either of those.
given their track record, i think it would be safe to assume that at&t is the most likely to carry the SE Rachel if it ever was released in the US. it seems they are usually the ones carrying the big name SE phones (EXCEPT the X1 Xperia). anyways, i actually went to an at&t corporate store today to look at one of these and it is awesome, but the screen itself is not as smooth as the original diamond2 but a good screen protector can fix that. if the tp2 is anything like this, then i might be leaving sprint for at&t...
I had gotten all acclimated to the idea of venturing into the Android UI. Now I'm not sure. What do you think Endgadget community, which should one adopt?
Definitely WM.
Some major changes are coming its way (MS is devoting over 1000 engineers to its development, more than its Office and XBox divisions), and it all begins with WM 6.5.
That will begin with winmo 7 actually. In the mean time android has come along way, it's less than 2 years old, and has a huge community of developers, Developing apps and plugins that will greatly increase your experience, seriously Windows WTF I dont see it, we don't disagree much but winmo? I don't understand.
Yeah I dunno either - I'm between a Sprint Hero or the Touch Diamond 2. Windows guy is correct about the myriad new features coming to WinMo but for me the next device I get will just hold me over for a year (will pay extra for shortened contract). I just want something that's fun to use and doesn't have a fruit logo on it. Try 'em both, then decide.
BTW a really nice thing about the TD2 is that you can flash it with the newest Leo roms which are super slick and put the iPhone to shame with their seamless multitasking. I don't know how up to snuff the android hacker community is.
YAY, i was waiting to get my hands on that sexy hardware!! XD
Holy sh*t these phones are beautiful.
I went to AT&T from Sprint for the 3GS but I'm seriously wanting one of these.
maybe i should get one of these...
I prefer the non US version of the Diamond2
It's about time, AT&T!
I agree. AT&T's smartphone selection was looking pretty thin outside of Blackberrys.
Please.Please have a 3.5mm headphone jack. Hopefully more pics. If no jack I will really have to consider other options. I love WinMo no iPhone for me.
The Tilt II reportedly will not have a 3.5mm jack Like all current GSM variants of the Touch Pro 2
WOW, $299.99? Considering you can get this phone for FREE from t-mobile, $299.99 seems a little high.
What's your secret? I'm just hitting my 7th anniversary with T-Mo and they're not moving from the $349 price for me.
Beautiful phones, shame about the network...
As an AT&T customer for 8 years (I was with the OLD AT&T wireless, back when they were king in my mind), I have not enjoyed my network quality at all. I started out with a Motorola Talk-about, went to a nokia (the old "barely a color screen" model), then got a RAZR (god, i hated it), a Samsung a727 (or whatever it is, the slice phone, worst phone EVER), blackjack II (god, slooooowww), now my iPhone 3G S (love it, love it, love it).
Basically, they have been on a steady decline since Cingular bought the old AT&T wireless. Support got worse, coverage got worse, more dropped calls, and more "call failed" (especially on my iPhone... seriously, I once tried to call someone 6 times IN A ROW and got the same message!). Then MMS, the doomsday scare? No problems in Boise, but the call problems continue.
I would love to give these a chance, really, but I have a few MAJOR reservations...
1. Just signed another contract and got a 3G S (I'm willing to cancel as soon as I switch, but I will not extend it for an overpriced on-contract price).
2. The network is HORRID!!! My whole household has iPhones (my brother, sister, mom and me) and we now have nothing but problems (this could also be Apple's fault, but really, AT&T is just the icing on the cake of doom).
3. Doesn't Verizon have these exact phones (or will soon)? On a better network? For similar prices?
Now, I'm glad these phones have been getting good ratings on other networks, really the boost WinMo needs. But why would anybody stick with this network if they had another choice (I realize some don't have another option, but for those of us who do, why)?
But still, BEAUTIFUL phones, really.
I've been an AT&T customer as long as you and share many of your concerns, but for me a GSM network that supports SIM cards is far more preferable to a CDMA network (I know a CDMA network could support SIMs but none here do) to me as I am some one who switches phones often, without the ability to swap a SIM between phones that is not very realistic although I realize I am in the minority.
Hey, I'll take as many perks as I can until the LTE Verizon iPhone comes out. SIM card swapping has come in handy many times... for example, you're going camping and don't want to take your shiny new iPhone to the wilderness... so you buy a Nokia gophone for $20, pop your free-to-replace sim-card into the phone, and if it turns out bad, just go to the AT&T store and get a new sim card!
Hey, come to think about it, doesn't LTE use SIM cards?
Hey, come to think about it, doesn't LTE use SIM cards?
yeah it does
http://www.gemalto.com/uicc_role/index.html
but CDMA supports SIM cards too, does not mean the carrier has to support that feature (as Verizon and Sprint dont) dont know about the CDMA carriers in Japan, but hopefully with almost all GSM carriers going LTE and supporting SIM cards Verzon will to.
@mos
you're not in the minority bro. I've been swapping phones 10001 already and that's the reason i stick with gsm also i travel a lot to SE Asia and europe where zero CDMA. none. nada!
My co workers, my bosses, some friends and families all have been swapping phones a million times. They all use gsm which migrated from limited choice of cdma devices. Also I heard from people that use cdma they wished so badly if they could just swap the phone anytime they wanted. They just stuck! Most people get the big red because they think it's cool, they're brainwashed by the commercials and ads. Go ask VZW or Sprint user bro, "hey why don't you use your sprint or verizon phone whenever you go on vacation?" uhm...oh you're right i'll take my cool phone with me.... but as soon as they landed on the airport in Amsterdam or Changi in singapore they tried to call mom or husband or wife but it says on the phone ' no service' . they wonder why? You f*****g idiot, you're on gsm world!
Finally some news on the the Touch Pro 2. I'm hoping AT&T will release by the end of the month. And I hope they drop the price. With others offering if for under 200, they need to do better than $299 AFTER a $50 rebate. Especially since they shat all over the keyboard by moving the numbers. Hey, you know what AT&T, your business customers NEED numbers. You know for spread sheets, giving quotes, phone numbers, etc. Imagine that... businesses need to use numbers.
Wow, those phones look so icy and slick on a hot humid Houston day.
Fair enough it's actually been cooler lately, only reaching the low 90's :P
any press shots of the back cover?
The Tilt 2 is looking really good. I've got the T-Mobile TP2 version and you'll love the screen on this thing. The screen size is perfect, it's very responsive, and TF3D just gives you such a nice experience using WM. Can't imagine how 6.5 will be in addition. This is a must buy phone if you're a WM user.
Haven't seen a Diamond 2 in person yet. I have to check this out.
The handsets look nice, but whats that part of the bottom with a + and - taking up that much of the screen for? really it has to be dedicated on the bottom? why can't it be on screen based on the app you use?
It's a zoom bar and are you seriously complaining about screen size? It has 3.6 inches! That is even larger than the iPhone's giant screen. If you're talking about the Pure, it still has a larger screen than any of HTC's phones that have been on AT&T so I don't think it is going to be that huge of a bother. I assume they decided on a dedicated zoom because of the lack of the multi-touch pinch feature.
149...thats NOT bad. more than the [inaccurately so] benchmark iPhone 3G base? sure. but if you're going for a WM phone, you don't care about that
WHAT?! Tilt II? Glad I got rid of my original tilt and got my iphone 3g, but I'll be due for an upgrade soon. Maybe Winmo 6.5 should be good enough for me, hopefully HTC doesn't screw their customers again with their lack of gpu drivers. I don't want to deal with that shit again.
$299 for TP2 kinda too much, especially with the LEO already garnering interest.
AT&T just bring the LEO ASAP please.
Sorry guys, no headphone jack..
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138831/AT_T_announces_first_Windows_Mobile_6.5_smartphones?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1
Not a deal breaker for me, though. Don't use them too much on my phone and the times I did use it, I'll just use a mini-usb headphone.
Love the look of the phone. That blue look is just plain "cool."
Yeah I don't care either, my Zune HD has a headphone jack.
Hey, come to think about it, doesn't LTE use SIM cards?
yeah it does
http://www.gemalto.com/uicc_role/index.html
but CDMA supports SIM cards too, does not mean the carrier has to support that feature (as Verizon and Sprint dont) dont know about the CDMA carriers in Japan, but hopefully with almost all GSM carriers going LTE and supporting SIM cards Verzon will to.
Blog's need to stop covering these devices with the words "Windows Mobile 6.5". The entire UI of Win Mo has been overhauled by HTC for years, as shown in the images above. Sure the core functionality still lends credit to Microsoft, but that functionality hasn't changed since Windows Mobile 6. I've played with the new UI elements of 6.5, and besides the altered Start Menu and Home Screen, nothing has changed. When Microsoft stops depending on HTC to mask their defunct UI, I'll become interested. Windows Mobile still has a ways to go before it can enter the battle against its fellow contenders like Android, WebOS, and the iPhone.
AT&T having the closest version of the TP2 to the original Euro stock = win.
True, not having a 3.5 will be missed, but come on, people. You're STILL getting a badass phone. I don't know why everyone is complaining about the 3.5 jack. Honestly, it's such a small part of the package, and even though Sprint/Verizon have it, doesn't mean you're getting a bad phone or anything. I'm totally stoked for this phone.
Let's just enjoy the fact that it's a cool phone. I find it funny that when the stock Euro version came out,people weren't complaining about the lack of a headphone jack, but when the AT&T version comes out, that complaint starts coming around again. Man. There's just no pleasing.
No, not come on people. AT&T has had MONTHS to do whatever the hell it is they do to handsets before they release them, butcher the UI, butcher the hardware design (see: HTC Pure), butcher everything, and they couldn't have been bothered to just throw the 3.5mm jack in there. Sprint and Verizon both got this thing on the market quicker, WITH the 3.5mm jack. What did AT&T do for more than a month?
Who is going to buy this crap when there are far superior and more reliable non-WinMo solutions in the market these days. HTC knows their future is set on Android, hence their sharp drop in production of WinMo phones in favor for Android.
I've been using HTC WinMo phones since the Cingular 8125, excluding the Fuze, and I am super excited about Tilt 2. My contract ended in June and I've been waiting to upgrade just to get this phone. I don't particularly like dealing with iTunes and I'm a Zune user so I don't want the iPhone and Android phones don't fit my needs or carrier I want to use. The main reason I use WinMo is because I like it. It does whatever I need to do. Yes the iPhone has some cool apps I'd like to use but that isn't enough of an incentive to lose features I use regularly on a WinMo phone.
The phone is actually pretty slick - did you catch the video of it running the HTC Leo rom?
I thought the wait was over when I started reading this but it looks like that Oct 18 release date for the Tilt 2 might be accurate. I guess its fine though since it gives me enough time to save up the $350 up front cost. Yikes. Maybe its an instant $50 rebate if you buy online? Lets hope. I am relieved at the cosmetic choices for both physical handset and TF3D. The T-Mo version had me worried they were going to mess it up.
Regarding iPhone people all I've been hearing for weeks now from my friends with iPhones are complaints about software glitches, freezing, and unexpected shut downs. I don't see what there is to gloat about. The 3.1 software update was a disaster. Besides most iPhone people don't even have a clue who HTC is so its hard to take your comments seriously in the first place. Frankly between WebOS, SenseUI, TF3D, and Moto Blur the iPhone OS is looking a little plain and dated.
Finally they come with a decent phone that is an all rounder. But as most phones are improving and software is getting advanced. Why must they remove the FRONT CAMERA (not that huge of a cost). I mean they are charging crap load of money not to mention 2 year contract. At least include the FRONT CAMERA so that we can use VIDEO CONFERENCING like the rest of world!!!!
Nice news!
Guys I need your help. I'm thinking about get a new HTC phone this week. So, which phone should I get... The HTC Touch Pro 2 or HTC Pure..?
Whats your recommendation?
Nice news!
Guys I need your help. I'm thinking about get a new HTC phone this
week. So, which phone should I get... The HTC Touch Pro 2 or HTC
Pure..?
Whats your recommendation?
I can understand that AT&T should have done more w/the phone during their time, but I don't think that should be a deal breaker. I mean, let's face it.. since times of long ago, AT&T always messed up HTC phones. It was hoping for too much for them to do something that we actually want.
I'm just glad the phone looks as cool as it does instead of the ass ugly Tmo version.
Just came back from two AT&T stores here in San Francisco asking to see the PURE...and the response I got was..."I'm not allowed to confirm whether we (AT&T) have a the HTC Pure in stock, nor am I allowed to confirm the release date for the HTC PURE or the TILT." It was a very odd response because it was the same line from both places and especially odd because, I never mentioned the TILT.
I dont know what it means, I just found it funny...
Can anyone out there can give me a quick run down or at least links to review of how the PURE and TILT compare the Blackberry Bold? Because they wouldn't answer that question either since they don't "officially" have either phone...
thanks...peace..
If only they didn't butchered the keyboard...