True, but then these are strictly in the R&D stage. Looking back at the early R&D prototypes of, say, Microsoft Courier(I know, still in that stage, probably), these look positively beautiful by comparison.
Decoy - No, I'm sure you're right. After all, Microsoft is well known for their "innovation". There's the Zune - no wait, they only made the Zune because the iPod became popular. Well the Zune HD, which - no, they were just copying the iPod Touch that time. Well there's Windows, which - No, Mac OS was out years before Windows was. Mouse-driven GUI? nope. Office? Well they were only doing that because of the Office-type programs already out for the Mac, but the really funny part is that they made Office for the Mac before they made a Windows version. Bing? Sure, if you weren't aware that Google already existed.
Um... so what else has Microsoft done that actually INNOVATES, i.e. do something that nobody else has ever done? Surface? Yeah, Surface probably. In any case if you actually believe Microsoft had this idea to do a multitouch mouse all by themselves, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how Microsoft does things for the last thirty years.
Wow this is the worst "MS copies" comment ever! So you can't introduce any product if someone has already has something like it out? Good thing google didn't listen to this staggering stupidity since there multiple search engines by the time they rolled around. You do realize that apple did not invent the mp3 player yes? Should they not have introduced one since other companies had YEARS before? Actually, since they stole creative’s UI for the iPod (and had to pay creative royalties after being sued) maybe they did the help.
>In any case if you actually believe Microsoft had this idea to do a multitouch mouse all by themselves
You have not paid attention to ANYTHING in the last 30 years. In Jobs OWN WORDS he saw that PARC Xerox held the future of computing with its GUI and rushed back to apple to begin creating his own version. Hell, everything in the current touch interface everyone is so excited about (pinching to zoom etc.) was written about with months after the first working multitouch screens. (20ish years ago.) These patterns have held. It is not just MS. No one has tech idea by themselves. The programs you know as iTunes, Final Cut, and Garageband were all purchased by apple long ago. Google earth wasn’t google’s idea and so on. There is not a single major GUI convention or hardware innovation out now that was not theorized agos
Danny, you need to pay attention a little harder. You see Nelson's comment up there? That's what I was responding to. He seems to think MS is actually innovative. Are they? Are they really coming up with new things before anybody else is?
Xerox PARC has nothing to do with it. I never said Apple invented the GUI, did I? I said they did it before Microsoft did, which is 100% true. Everything I said in that post was 100% true, and I don't really give a shit if you don't like it. That's your problem. This isn't about every company in the universe, this is about MICROSOFT. This is about Microsoft conveniently coming up with these multitouch mouse concepts after the general public has been made aware that Apple is working on one.
Have you not been paying attention at all? Microsoft doesn't do anything unless somebody else makes it popular first. And now MS just waits for Apple to come out with a new product, and copies it without even waiting to see if it's going to be successful or not. They just figure it will be, so they go ahead with it. Ooh, INNOVATIVE.
You really don't understand how long it takes to create a product. For Example. The apple "multitouch mouse" was just a rumour a month ago. If microsoft started making these after the rumour, then why doesn't apple have a functioning device? Why didn't they announce it in the beginning of september? Clearly if MS can create 5 multitouch mice in less than a month apple can produce their one.
While its tablet world topping pixel density, Tegra 2 silicon, and fresh to death OS certainly sound awesome, we had to get our grubby mitts on one to see if it's as good as its spec sheet would have us believe.
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Looks like MS trying to be sleek... but each one of these looks hideous.
True, but then these are strictly in the R&D stage. Looking back at the early R&D prototypes of, say, Microsoft Courier(I know, still in that stage, probably), these look positively beautiful by comparison.
Impossible. I've read in these pages that M$ only copies what Apple does.
So no more talk about R&D. Only Apple does innovation.
Let's talk about how these only copy what Apple has done.
Nelson - You're right. We didn't actually learn that Apple was working on a multitouch mouse first.
Oh wait, yes we did. Like a month ago. What was your point again?
@Nelson
Microsoft has the biggest R&D expense in tech. No one in silicon valley gets even close.
So yeah, considering that they spend almost ten times the amount Apple spends, Microsoft R&D kinda sucks.
Right, because whatever you hear about first had to be started first.
Decoy - No, I'm sure you're right. After all, Microsoft is well known for their "innovation". There's the Zune - no wait, they only made the Zune because the iPod became popular. Well the Zune HD, which - no, they were just copying the iPod Touch that time. Well there's Windows, which - No, Mac OS was out years before Windows was. Mouse-driven GUI? nope. Office? Well they were only doing that because of the Office-type programs already out for the Mac, but the really funny part is that they made Office for the Mac before they made a Windows version. Bing? Sure, if you weren't aware that Google already existed.
Um... so what else has Microsoft done that actually INNOVATES, i.e. do something that nobody else has ever done? Surface? Yeah, Surface probably. In any case if you actually believe Microsoft had this idea to do a multitouch mouse all by themselves, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how Microsoft does things for the last thirty years.
Wow this is the worst "MS copies" comment ever! So you can't introduce any product if someone has already has something like it out? Good thing google didn't listen to this staggering stupidity since there multiple search engines by the time they rolled around. You do realize that apple did not invent the mp3 player yes? Should they not have introduced one since other companies had YEARS before? Actually, since they stole creative’s UI for the iPod (and had to pay creative royalties after being sued) maybe they did the help.
>In any case if you actually believe Microsoft had this idea to do a multitouch mouse all by themselves
You have not paid attention to ANYTHING in the last 30 years. In Jobs OWN WORDS he saw that PARC Xerox held the future of computing with its GUI and rushed back to apple to begin creating his own version. Hell, everything in the current touch interface everyone is so excited about (pinching to zoom etc.) was written about with months after the first working multitouch screens. (20ish years ago.) These patterns have held. It is not just MS. No one has tech idea by themselves. The programs you know as iTunes, Final Cut, and Garageband were all purchased by apple long ago. Google earth wasn’t google’s idea and so on. There is not a single major GUI convention or hardware innovation out now that was not theorized agos
Danny, you need to pay attention a little harder. You see Nelson's comment up there? That's what I was responding to. He seems to think MS is actually innovative. Are they? Are they really coming up with new things before anybody else is?
Xerox PARC has nothing to do with it. I never said Apple invented the GUI, did I? I said they did it before Microsoft did, which is 100% true. Everything I said in that post was 100% true, and I don't really give a shit if you don't like it. That's your problem. This isn't about every company in the universe, this is about MICROSOFT. This is about Microsoft conveniently coming up with these multitouch mouse concepts after the general public has been made aware that Apple is working on one.
Have you not been paying attention at all? Microsoft doesn't do anything unless somebody else makes it popular first. And now MS just waits for Apple to come out with a new product, and copies it without even waiting to see if it's going to be successful or not. They just figure it will be, so they go ahead with it. Ooh, INNOVATIVE.
@ Jack
You really don't understand how long it takes to create a product.
For Example.
The apple "multitouch mouse" was just a rumour a month ago. If microsoft started making these after the rumour, then why doesn't apple have a functioning device? Why didn't they announce it in the beginning of september? Clearly if MS can create 5 multitouch mice in less than a month apple can produce their one.
Q.E.D