HP Mini 5102 review
There are netbooks and then there's the HP Mini 5102. Or at least that's always been our impression of the 10-inch business and education targeted laptop, since it isn't every day that you see what's supposed to be a secondary system with a 7,200rpm hard drive, durable aluminum chassis, spill resistant keyboard and capacitive touchscreen options. Or you know, a $415 starting price. The Mini 5102 doesn't fall into the same class as those $299 netbooks -- considering our review unit rings up at $668 and all -- but does the extra dough really pay off in a noticeably better shrunken computing experience? We've been on a mission to find out just that over the last few days, so hit the break for our full review.
We won't hold back -- the Mini 5102 makes the rest of netbooks we've reviewed look like big sissies (except for maybe the aluminum Nokia Booklet 3G). Identical in aesthetics to the previous Mini 5101, most of the chassis is made of aluminum and magnesium, and not surprisingly, those tough materials make the entire system feel noticeably more rigid than plastic netbooks, like the ASUS Eee PC 1005PE or Dell's Mini 10. We'd still recommend keeping the machine in a case for potential fear of scratching the brushed aluminum lid, but we have no doubt that the system can take a beating in a backpack. In an effort to add some spice to the line and to appeal to those crazy kids we keep hearing about, it's available in red, black and blue, and can be ordered with a handle. The handle, which unfolds from the bottom, adds some bulk and isn't as cute as the OLPC XO's, but we assume the lunchbox-toting kids will just love it!
Size-wise, we don't have any major complaints about the .91-inch thick Mini 5102 -- though, keep in mind the touch version is a few millimeter thicker. It's available with a three-cell battery, but our six-cell equipped unit tipped the scales at 3.0-pounds. No surprises with the ports -- 3 USB sockets, a VGA output, Ethernet jack, mic and headphone connectors, and an SD card slot lives along the left and right edges.
Hands down, the Mini 5102's spill-proof, chiclet keyboard is one of the best netbook keyboards ever made -- the square matte keys are incredibly firm, and we typed this entire review at an incredibly fast pace with few typos in the original draft. Above the keyboard are two small, circular shortcut buttons: the first launches the default Web browser (Firefox in our case) and the second launched HP's Software Updater. When the system is powered down, the first button will launch HP's QuickWeb instant-on OS and the second its QuickLook -- more on that later.
The touchpad is relatively small by netbook standards, though not Fujitsu MH380 small. While we wished the pad itself wasn't covered in a fingerprint-attracting glossy coating, we didn't have any issues pushing the cursor around the screen. However, we're totally tempted to throw a party in celebration of the dedicated right and left mouse buttons rather than the typical single bar. Surprisingly, the pad doesn't support multitouch gestures, but there's a scroll strip for swiftly moving up and down pages.
There's certainly no lack of multitouch if you opt to go with the touchscreen configuration. Our review unit came with a 1024 x 600-resolution, 10.1-inch capacitive screen – there's no 1366x768 option if you spring for the touch layer. While the matte screen kicks back little to no reflection, and we much prefer it to the loads of glossy screens we see, the touch layer causes the screen to be fairly washed out. Colors were muted when we watched an episode of Family Guy on Hulu, and even the black text of this review doesn't appear as dark as it should on the 10-inch display. That's the sacrifice you seem to have to make for a rather decent touch experience, however. While our unit ran Windows XP Professional -- rather than the more multitouch friendly Windows 7 -- light taps on shortcuts on the desktop opened applications, and lightly dragging two fingers down the screen allowed for smooth scrolling. Pinching to zoom also worked well in the browser as well as in Picture Viewer. Because it doesn't run a tablet OS, there's no on screen keyboard or handwriting recognition tools.
We really don't have any complaints when it comes to the touchscreen's performance or responsiveness, but we'd be lying if we told you we put our fingers to the screen more than a total of ten times in our week of reviewing the netbook. Truth is, we actually completely forgot the touchscreen was there most of the time, and it's not that we don't like the idea of having a touchscreen on a netbook, we just didn't utilize it much with the clamshell form factor. Sure, we know that there are plenty of people that have put touchscreens on top of 10-inch netbook displays, but it just wasn't our thing. We can't tell what you'd do with it, but we're inclined to say if you want a touchscreen netbook you're better off with one of the netvertibles roaming around out there.
Like virtually all other netbooks on the market today, the 5102 is powered by Intel's latest 1.6GHz Atom N450 processor. Our unit was configured with 2GB of RAM and a 160GB 7,200rpm hard drive that booted Windows XP Professional, rather than the now standard Windows 7 Starter or Professional. There were no performance curve balls -- the system managed to keep up with us while we simultaneously wrote this review in Corel Write, surfed the Web in Firefox, and IM'd with friends through Digsby. When we first booted the system, we did notice Internet Explorer taking a painfully long time to load sites, but after disabling the three toolbars HP had going on, things seemed to speed up. No surprises on the graphics front – streaming Hulu at full screen was slightly laggy, and attempting to watch any high quality content was a complete bust. Though, HP does offer the 5102 with Broadcom's Crystal HD accelerator which should push HD content along quite smoothly, much like we saw with the Dell Mini 10 and the HP Mini 210.
The Mini 5102 blows past some of the other netbooks we've recently reviewed in battery life – it's 66Wh six-cell battery lasted eight hours and four minutes on our standard definition video rundown test. In our average usage – surfing the web, writing in Word and chatting in Digsby -- we got close to nine and a half hours of life. Yeah, that's an incredible amount of runtime, and the only netbook to outlast it continues to be the ASUS Eee PC 1005PE (though only by a few minutes). No doubt you can leave the charger at home for a long weekend if you don't plan on using it for more than a few hours per day.
Usually we mention the software preloaded on a netbook in a sentence or two, but the Mini 5102 is preloaded with so much that we figured it was worth a rundown. In addition to bundling the system with McAfee security programs, Corel's office suite, and Roxio software, HP has pre-loaded a fair share of its own utilities, including its instant-on QuickWeb and QuickLook. It took about 10 seconds for the system to enter the QuickWeb Linux browser mode and while browsing was what you'd expect, oddly the touches on the screen didn't register. The QuickLook software brings up your Outlook e-mail or calender, but doesn't allow for responding or making edits. We've really never understood the point of these pre-boot environments, especially when you can just wait a few more seconds and be in Windows. We don't want to say all of the all of this is crapware -- it's really more deleteware as we have started calling it -- but there's a boatload of preloaded software on this netbook, so be prepared to enter the control panel and do some removing if you prefer your installs to be stripped down.
Like we said from the start, the Mini 5102 falls into its own netbook class. We love a lot of things about this business and education aimed laptop, but not enough to spend $668 on the configuration we were given. Heck, at that price we'd pick up an entry-level ProBook that has a similar chassis, but way more powerful processor options. If you can spend a bit more than the average $350 netbook price for a well-built system with an awesome keyboard, then we have no doubt that you should go ahead and shell out $415 on an entry-level 5102 -- though if you want to grab that eight hours of endurance you'll need to spend another $75 on the six-cell battery (we think this is the easiest way to add the six-cell, but navigating HP's business site is like a mine field). But on a final point, the touchscreen and extra RAM that jacked up the price on our unit just seem like overkill for what's supposed to be a secondary laptop.
Look and feel

Size-wise, we don't have any major complaints about the .91-inch thick Mini 5102 -- though, keep in mind the touch version is a few millimeter thicker. It's available with a three-cell battery, but our six-cell equipped unit tipped the scales at 3.0-pounds. No surprises with the ports -- 3 USB sockets, a VGA output, Ethernet jack, mic and headphone connectors, and an SD card slot lives along the left and right edges.
Keyboard, touchpad and screen

The touchpad is relatively small by netbook standards, though not Fujitsu MH380 small. While we wished the pad itself wasn't covered in a fingerprint-attracting glossy coating, we didn't have any issues pushing the cursor around the screen. However, we're totally tempted to throw a party in celebration of the dedicated right and left mouse buttons rather than the typical single bar. Surprisingly, the pad doesn't support multitouch gestures, but there's a scroll strip for swiftly moving up and down pages.

We really don't have any complaints when it comes to the touchscreen's performance or responsiveness, but we'd be lying if we told you we put our fingers to the screen more than a total of ten times in our week of reviewing the netbook. Truth is, we actually completely forgot the touchscreen was there most of the time, and it's not that we don't like the idea of having a touchscreen on a netbook, we just didn't utilize it much with the clamshell form factor. Sure, we know that there are plenty of people that have put touchscreens on top of 10-inch netbook displays, but it just wasn't our thing. We can't tell what you'd do with it, but we're inclined to say if you want a touchscreen netbook you're better off with one of the netvertibles roaming around out there.
Performance, battery life and software

The Mini 5102 blows past some of the other netbooks we've recently reviewed in battery life – it's 66Wh six-cell battery lasted eight hours and four minutes on our standard definition video rundown test. In our average usage – surfing the web, writing in Word and chatting in Digsby -- we got close to nine and a half hours of life. Yeah, that's an incredible amount of runtime, and the only netbook to outlast it continues to be the ASUS Eee PC 1005PE (though only by a few minutes). No doubt you can leave the charger at home for a long weekend if you don't plan on using it for more than a few hours per day.
| PCMark05 | 3DMark06 | Battery Life | |
| HP Mini 5102 | --- | 94 | 8:04 |
| HP Mini 210 | 1393 | 147 | 5:15 |
| ASUS Eee PC 1005PE | 1431 | 157 | 8:10 |
| Toshiba Mini NB305 | 1272 | 156 | 6:30 |
Usually we mention the software preloaded on a netbook in a sentence or two, but the Mini 5102 is preloaded with so much that we figured it was worth a rundown. In addition to bundling the system with McAfee security programs, Corel's office suite, and Roxio software, HP has pre-loaded a fair share of its own utilities, including its instant-on QuickWeb and QuickLook. It took about 10 seconds for the system to enter the QuickWeb Linux browser mode and while browsing was what you'd expect, oddly the touches on the screen didn't register. The QuickLook software brings up your Outlook e-mail or calender, but doesn't allow for responding or making edits. We've really never understood the point of these pre-boot environments, especially when you can just wait a few more seconds and be in Windows. We don't want to say all of the all of this is crapware -- it's really more deleteware as we have started calling it -- but there's a boatload of preloaded software on this netbook, so be prepared to enter the control panel and do some removing if you prefer your installs to be stripped down.
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@rekit
Love that Elitebook style design on this.
and that handles pretty cool....not practical (in my opinion) but cool non-the-less.
@futurerheza
It's not really that thick considering it is made to be durable.
@rekit General netbook question to everyone: What's it like watching a movie on a 10" screen? I'm thinking about getting a netbook but I'm quite accustomed to watching movies on my 13" MBP. I'm looking at the Toshiba NB305.
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Joanna, the amount of reviews you put out is unbelievable.
They are appreciated, thanks!
@FNi She is a bit awesome ;-)
@FNi
The best reviewer on Engadget IMO, Joanna is amazing and I look forward to her reviews.
@FNi
+1
Joanna makes the boys look like plastic asus laptops...
@FNi :thumbsup:
@FNi
Agreed.
Although, the touch version could easily have been a tablet.
@FNi
Agreed.
Although, the touch version could easily have been a tablet.
I can't say i have been horribly impressed with HP's latest consumer netbooks (this coming from a mini 1000 owner), but this certainly looks like a great little machine. If only its cost was a bit more reasonable..
yeah colour me unimpressed. I've sold now 6 mini's from HP and everyone has failed for a variety of reasons. 4 had a failing power circuit meaning it stopped charging and then wouldn't accept a power adapter either.
I've often thought the build quality of the HP was far superior to the others machines out there. I mean the EEE range from ASUS has nothing on the HP's but if they don't last 6 months due to internal failures whats the point.
@BurtonBytes
IDK about that. We've had an HP laptop and netbook in the house, and with both of them, the build quality was lacking. My mom has since upgraded her HP 10 inch netbook to an Asus 12 inch, and the difference in build quality is like night and day.
@BurtonBytes
Color me impressed that you bought a sixth HP mini after your fifth one failed :-)
@BurtonBytes Check out the PC World vendor reliability charts. HP is at the bottom on every one--desktops, laptops, printers... and has been for a while now, so its not like they don't know about it. I agree with you that I've just started to get interested in HP's design's with the new ProBooks and this awesome looking netbook, but with the beating they are taking on their reliability, the horrible trackpads on the Envy's, etc I can't see recommending them to people.
@FitFan
he said sold, not bought...
I'll tell u why netbooks are no good. They still run WINDOWS XP!!! Get with it now, that just shows that the most current os don't run well on these. Netbooks are horrible, your overpaying for a laptop with outdated software.
@Leroysboy
amazon search windows 7 netbooks, they start at $278. pretty reasonable.
Why doesn't endgadget review hp's probook/elitebook line???
I'd want to see that Elitebook 2740p tablet reviewed.
@Batman Planning on reviewing the ProBook. Stay tuned.
@Joanna Stern
Will do. Thanks for your hard work Joanna.
Wow this netbook destroys nearly everyone in terms of style and battery performance. I bet once you get rid of that crapware (why HP) it'll be running even better. Great review.
@N900
destroys in style? As in, that ridiculous handle?
Netbooks are dead.
@mobilehavoc
''Netbooks are 'not' dead.''
and stop causing mobile havoc
@mobilehavoc
Because Steve Jobs thinks netbooks are bad?
@Kaitian
Or because I can watch a 720p video on ipad with no stuttering, apparently this netbook can't even manage that. And if you are going up to $700 bux, why not get a laptop as the ipad haters would say.
@TWiz
Doesn't the iPad only do 576p?
Sure looks to me like we're seeing more and more advancement in this area. Now, not totally with this unit but just in general, considering the price range, why would someone spend the money on something like an iPad, for instance, when they could get a full-blown computer?
All of these choices are finally starting to excite me.
@ScifiSurfer
Weight, heat, portability...why do people spend 700 on a laptop when you could get a higher spec'd desktop for that price...silly question.
this one is expensive and performs weak under the hood. im partial to asus they seem to give the best price/option/performance combo
Why do they keep coming out with the 10.1 in screens?
After using an Acer with an 11.6 1366x768, it really makes the 10.1 seem as small as it is.
Can it really be that much more expensive to make 11.6 screens over 10.1?
@kiden By that logic, why not a 12" or 13" screen?
Bigger screen means bigger device. Its not rocket science.
@Ducman69
Not really actually. An 11.6 screen would fit on this HP mini for sure. My dad has the acer 11.6 and I have a 10.1 and the difference is negligible maybe .5 in wider at most. Also, his has a fullsize (or near to) keyboard and its actually thinner than mine.
The Netbook Queen strikes again. Awesome review! I just ordered a maxed out Mini 311 to take with me... like... everywhere (take that, iPad). Windows 7, 3gigs of RAM, the n280 processor, 320gig drive... ran me upwards of 700 but I know it'll be worth it (ION ftw :D). Just got the shipping email yesterday actually. Crazy excited!
Great review. Thanks.
I don't understand why companies are hesitant to make devices like this convertible. It can't cost that much more money. Touchscreen on just a laptop is pretty worthless. Being able to turn it into a tablet = win.
@bjsguess I agree, not a tablet = not worth a touchscreen.
My Vaio X has a 128 gb SSD, 2 gb RAM, 2.0 Ghz atom processor. Carbon fiber body, 1.5 lb, and .55 in thick...the vaio x easily beats the HP mini. But engadget seems to be very pro HP and Apple in their reporting.
@jaffreywali Yeah, cause $1500 totally beats the $668 price tag con de HP
@Nikkinik you get what you pay for. But the vaio x also comes with a 12 hour battery.
I was simply saying this HP isn't the superstar in the field.
@jaffreywali In _what_ field?
Lovin' that Droid Incredible post... makes me wanna touch my screen too!
The 5102 is definitely an interesting product. I have looked at this as well as the Lenovo Thinkpad X100e/Edge 13, which all have similar pricing of under $1K. I am a Thinkpad fan, so I think I may wait and spend the extra money for the Edge 13, as it has a more powerful CPU and the gorgeous keyboard :)
Throw in Nvidia ION 2 and Optimus, then we'll talk.
it's better to have an ipad.
General netbook question to everyone: What's it like watching a movie on a 10" screen? I'm thinking about getting a netbook but I'm quite accustomed to watching movies on my 13" MBP. I'm looking at the Toshiba NB305.
@blairy
Perfect when in bed or at a friends house, at work or traveling by car, bus, train,
Plus screen size it much better than using a standard 3.5 inch phone/PDA/MID screen for watching video, espceially if you get a netbook with a 768p screen, 1024x600 is ok, but 1366x768 is sharper and better than a lot of larger screen with the same resolution.
I use mine more for watching video than i use my 20in 900p HD screen for watching video,
@OCEAN CLAK
What model netbook do you have?