Netbooks have proven time and again that people prefer Windows 7.
This is running a regular 1.6Ghz Atom processor w/ a 1GB of RAM. Sounds very netbooky to me. A vLite (aka stripped) W7 is how it should have shipped in the first place. =)
@taligent I know I have linked you to articles in the past showing you without a doubt that multi-touch input was a design consideration for Windows7 out of the gate.
Icon sizing, menu spacing, and everything is adjusted automatically when a touchscreen display is detected in Windows 7.
You may not think it was made WELL for touch input, but it was 100% design with intention to be used on touch-interface devices from launch.
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some. I'm developing a few touch enabled applications for Windows and have tested them on several touch devices running on Win7, including Dell's SX2210T 22" touch monitor and the HP LD4200TM 42" touch display. Windows 7 does not adjust itself in any way when it detects a touch device. Icon size and menu spacing remain the exact same. Navigating Windows 7 with a large touch screen is doable, but not preferable. On a small tablet device, it would absolutely not be a pleasant experience.
Sorry, but W7 doesn't run APPS, it runs applications, or programs.
And, I have yet to see one program that doesn't work with a touch screen. Blender, and SketchUp are a hassle without a full KB. Of course I've yet to see an APP half as useful as either of those.
There are quite a lot of us that much prefer Linux, its the better system imho ;)
Windows 7 is again more of the same thing, meh at best.. For the clueless majority that buy into marketing and bull and really dont know any better they have a choice of windows xp , vista or 7 .. No wonder windows 7 is the "fastest" selling..
Come back to me when windows can do half of what Compiz can do :
@taligent OK, well you said Windows was not, when thats clearly not the case.
That is true about the applications, but the W7 150% option usually addresses that quite well by simply making the menus and buttons universally larger without having to stray from native resolution.
And don't forget that the Windows 7 touch experience when it comes to right clicking, bumps, gestures, inertia, text prediction and so forth all work in ANY application, and multitouch will work for your pictures, movies, media center, and other MS programs you'd be regularly using. =)
@McDuckScrooged dude i use linux and what alot of it is, is flash and effect. Although I do prefer it, and like that it forces you to be more computer savvy, windows can do what linux does just simpler.
@jon .. Are you serious ? .. Apps has been short for applications for 20+ years. Apple did not invent "apps" nor are they specific to mobile devices.
And I am not saying that apps won't work with a touch screen. Of course they will. Just that they aren't designed for it. So often they have small UI controls e.g. any of Adobe's products.
@McDuckScrooged Why would you even want your computer to do all of that....seriously?
all that crap does is hog your precious resources.
Aslo E17 is fucking nasty looking. Are you psychotic? Gnome and compiz or KDE 4 have much better effects without the disgusting, and revolting E17 style.
@taligent He was clearly referring to the fact that "apps" of late has been the coined term for the barebones micro-applications that are lightweight enough to run on the popular smartphones.
W7 doesn't run "apps" it runs real applications, and a visit to www.download.com shows that the amount of development and dollars put into that ecosystem is prodigiously herculean.
@YoYo -- Each to their own, its called choice.. If you dont like it you can turn it off, if you do it stomps on aero.. I have the cpu cycles and the GPU to use all of it without any detrimental effect -- I even enable the cube stuff on my laptop, because it doesnt impact its performance.. :)
@Ducman I am sure you can get software to try and emulate its functionality on windows but its not the same thing, sorry ;)
As for the comment about e17, enlightenment 17 has been in development from about 2000.. Rasterman is an absolute perfectionist that's why its still considered to be in development. Its one of the best looking desktops around and its incredibly fast it even did a lot of stuff before mac osx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&feature=related If you actually ever used it you would understand, its unique, its beautiful and above all its incredibly fast. It has to be one of the fastest desktops I have used on Linux http://www.enlightenment.org/ (I am not in any way associated with enlightenment I just have a lot of respect for the developers, its absolutely beautiful work )
Get real homey! That was lamest most wrong statement I've heard in a while. But since you can get a cheap ass netbook for about $290.00 along with an expired can of spam at your local dollar store, then yeah most people will have windows.
@McDuckScrooged It doesn't have the ease of use and ecosystem of W7 though, and thus may suit you beautifully, but IMO wouldn't sell more or make more peeps happy.
Ubuntu isn't bad either, but most recall the Dell article about the very high return rate of those netbooks compared to the Windows ones that people were perhaps just more comfortable and familiar with.
Hence why IMO, while the JooJoo still has hardware issues to address, putting W7 on it from day 1 would have been a selling point.
What was that you were saying exactly ? Was that some Microsoft marketing, that happens to actually be false ?
Even HP scrapped its windows7 slate offering, which was basically same form factor.. Running a full fledged os on a touch screen only input is a bit dumb, HP with all its wealth didnt see the point or must have run into some major hurdles with the platform and you want JooJoo to deliver it ?.. This is exactly why apple uses the iphone os rather than Mac OSX and exactly why HP has bought Palm..
The problem with the JooJoo is in execution, it wants to be an iPad or for that matter Google Chrome, but the UI hasnt had the polish.. I wouldn't buy it in its current incarnation and I definitely wouldn't buy it with windows7.. Its the implementation of the UI that they need to fix, not to ditch the whole platform and jump onto another that will have a hundred extra problems and increase the cost of production even further..
So yeah while I commend the guys behind this for doing it, they deserve a round of applause.. I think you should ask them how useful it is for day to day operations and/or how annoying it is.. That would in turn probably answer all of your questions and would probably explain to you why a company such as HP would be willing to show off the slate running win7, allow Balmer to show it off and then decide to ditch it..
@Ducman69 I think pspits saw the mention of rasterman and though of rasta as in rastafarian .. :)
Rasterman is called rasterman I would assume because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics and not cos he is a dread locking wearing rasta toking hard, he may do that as well, but hey its all good by me one people, one love.
@McDuckScrooged What are you talking about? HP has never said that they have scrapped the Slate yet alone provided any reason for something they never said in the first place.
Those rumors are about as valid and helpful as the supposed Sprint network data cap.
If you have to resort to misinformation to defend your viewpoint, you blew it.
@McDuckScrooged We agree the JooJoo execution is flawed, but if the JooJoo really wanted to be an iPad, it'd be sporting cellphone class internals attached to a big screen.
I'm not sure whats so confusing behind the idea that there is a market for a well executed more capable device over an iPod Touch thats too big to fit in your pocket. That market is well covered now.
"Last night TechCrunch reported that, according to an unnamed "source briefed on the matter," HP had stopped development of the Slate in its tracks, killing off the project entirely. Why? Well, according to the source, HP isn't thrilled with Windows 7's performance on the tablet. "
and that is why I thought the slate had been killed.. You have probably a 1 in 10 chance the slate will actually be produced, but if the rumours are to be believed its been ditched.
I absolutely love this line though:
"If you have to resort to misinformation to defend your viewpoint, you blew it" -- You mean like :
"Ubuntu isn't bad either, but most recall the Dell article about the very high return rate of those netbooks compared to the Windows ones that people were perhaps just more comfortable and familiar with."
Which is complete misinformation from you, especially considering that Dell have publicly said the exact opposite. -- I guess you blew it a long time ago if we go with your own comment..
I don't recall any widespread example of app being used as the default word to describe software at any time in the last 30 years.
Not saying you didn't or that no one has but as far as it being -the word-.. Well that's been Apple and the AppStore.
Application isn't even the generic word. It was used for a class of software, as was utilities. Program is older again, more used when that's what you did, when you had to else the computer did nothing but blink a cursor at you.
@McDuckScrooged Get your facts straight before trying to show me up.
Many months before that official launch, Dell and others were seeing very high return rates for the Ubuntu models. Yes, the spokesman came up and denied the high return rate as they were making the push (it saves them money) and sounds bad for business.
**** MSI candidly told us that Linux netbooks see a 4 times higher return rate than netbooks that are preloaded with Windows XP. The comment has attracted lots of comments and interpretations about Linux OSes on netbooks across the Net.
Well, when we touched base today with Gerry Carr, marketing manager at Canonical (the creator of the Ubuntu operating system) we learned that MSI’s research extends beyond its own products. See his comments below, but it seems Linux’ future on the netbook is bleaker than we thought.
"I will say that the return rate is above normal for netbooks that offer open-source operating systems" Carr ****
People have been saying "killer app" meaning best piece of software for a platform for longer than I can remember.
I can also recall "app" being used as short for "application" in other ways although a specific example escapes me at the moment.
"application" has been used as a general term for software programs for quite awhile as well. I know that the folder to witch most user level software was installed on a mac has been named "applications" at least as far back as os9.
@Ducman69 I absolutely love your line of arguments..
This is exactly why I have been linking articles...
Dell have publicly stated that Linux sales have accounted for a 1/3 of the total sales.. This is fact.. How could it possibly save you money to publicly back Linux sales and at the same time publicly shame Microsoft, your biggest partner ? Doesnt make any sense, sorry
"Yes, the spokesman came up and denied the high return rate as they were making the push (it saves them money) and sounds bad for business. " -- This is pure misinformation, its complete bull..
Just fyi, to buy dell ubuntu laptops :
www.dell.com/ubuntu .. Actually they do still sell preconfigured ubuntu/moblin Linux laptops..
As for MSI, they happen to ship a version of Suse which just plain sucks, no wonder it has such high returns..
Also for the article from blog.laptopmag -- Very interesting, a different take on that news, from a more reputable source:
"That bears out Canonical's experience with netbooks based on Ubuntu, said Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr. "We're seeing similar types of return rates for our machines," Carr told ZDNet.co.uk.
However, such figures shouldn't distract from the fact that Linux is, in general, proving a great success on netbooks, Carr said.
"Return rates are higher, but they're not high," he said. "Return rates are low. That they're higher than with Windows XP, a technology that has been around for 20 years, is understandable.""
How words can be twisted -- I would rather go with zdnets version than an unknown blog that doesnt even bother quoting Carr, "Ubuntu" directly..
"An article by Bloomberg does a great job of digging up statistics about Linux versus Windows on netbook, and it's sobering for Microsoft. It finds that:
Acer Inc. and Asustek Computer Inc., which together account for 90 percent of the netbook market, are using the rival Linux software on about 30 percent of their low-cost notebooks."
There 2 more manufacturers with about 30% Linux Sales..
What do you think will happen when Google Jumps in feet first with their ChromeOS and Android OS on Tablets and netbooks, both based on Linux ? Or What about HP and its upcoming WebOS based tablets ? -- All it will do is start eating into Microsoft Desktop share.. You can sit there and wave your Microsoft pom poms and happily cheer away, but dont expect everyone to buy the marketing hype and bull..
Such an interesting read, I wonder how much their practices have changed since then.. You seriously think Dell would dare to stand up to them, when this is their corporate behaviour ?
I have tried to be polite, there is no point carrying this on as it will just turn into some stupid fanboy slap fest and has already started going completely off target from the main story.. Again congrats to the guys for getting windows 7 loaded on the JooJoo, its all good.
@McDuckScrooged Your having an arguement over the internet about something you don't even help make. Gosh you are child. My OS IS BETTER THAN YOUR OS!!!!!
it doesn't deserve praise for things it doesn't do. Just admit you made all that shit up, don't pretend you're an expert when you don't even have basic knowledge!
@XChrisX Lol.. gotta add the vista hate.. The only thing MS did wrong with vista was not test it with their target audience and rush it out the gate. SP1+ is fine. For all intents and purposes other then multitouch and some directx which no one is yet using Win7 is VISTA.
Yet people seem to get some use out of these VNC clients for the iPad and such. If Windows where really so unsuitable in a tablet environment, then no one would be doing ESPN style hacks. Clearly lots of people like the form factor and wish the applications on the device were less crippled.
Get beyond the multi-touch and an iPad is rediculously out of date device.
@XChrisX Vista wasn't bad; it was driver compatibility that was the main issue. That, and it was a tough pill to swallow for some that they had to buy a new computer to run it.
Now that we've thrown 'em off the trail, use the form below to get in touch with the people at Engadget. Please fill in all of the required fields because they're required.
Netbooks have proven time and again that people prefer Windows 7.
This is running a regular 1.6Ghz Atom processor w/ a 1GB of RAM. Sounds very netbooky to me. A vLite (aka stripped) W7 is how it should have shipped in the first place. =)
@Ducman69 .. Netbooks are nothing more than smaller laptops. Of course Windows 7 is going to be a suitable option because you still use a trackpad.
But I would strongly disagree that it is suited for touch screen devices. The OS was designed for accurate input methods which your finger is not.
Microsoft would do much better if they made the Windows Phone 7 OS available for tablet makers.
@Ducman69
"Netbooks have proven time and again that people prefer Windows 7"
Maybe some do... I certainly don't.
@taligent Speaking as a tablet user I would say that Windows 7 is great for inaccurate touch.
It's most apps which aren't designed with touch in mind.
The OS itself is pretty touch smart.
@taligent They've got Embedded 7 or something like that designed for tablets and WP7 for phones.
@taligent I know I have linked you to articles in the past showing you without a doubt that multi-touch input was a design consideration for Windows7 out of the gate.
Icon sizing, menu spacing, and everything is adjusted automatically when a touchscreen display is detected in Windows 7.
You may not think it was made WELL for touch input, but it was 100% design with intention to be used on touch-interface devices from launch.
@psc2
W7 is the fastest selling OS in history, I think you're in the minority.
@jon Mainly because everyone wanted to get away from vista ASAP.
@Ducman69 .. But the APPS aren't. That is the whole point. Every app on the iPhone, Android, WP7 etc are designed for touch screen devices.
Almost none on WP7 are. OneNote is pretty much the only notable example.
@XChrisX
Tell that to all the people on Steam jumping from XP to 7.
You know, the hardcore gamers who never used Vista because of how "terrible" it was.
All the average people already switched to Vista when they bought a new computer in the last three years.
@Ducman69
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some. I'm developing a few touch enabled applications for Windows and have tested them on several touch devices running on Win7, including Dell's SX2210T 22" touch monitor and the HP LD4200TM 42" touch display. Windows 7 does not adjust itself in any way when it detects a touch device. Icon size and menu spacing remain the exact same. Navigating Windows 7 with a large touch screen is doable, but not preferable. On a small tablet device, it would absolutely not be a pleasant experience.
@taligent
Sorry, but W7 doesn't run APPS, it runs applications, or programs.
And, I have yet to see one program that doesn't work with a touch screen.
Blender, and SketchUp are a hassle without a full KB. Of course I've yet to see an APP half as useful as either of those.
@XChrisX Touche', lol! But cmon, gotta give W7 props. It deserves the praise it has received.
@Ducman69 Really ?
There are quite a lot of us that much prefer Linux, its the better system imho ;)
Windows 7 is again more of the same thing, meh at best.. For the clueless majority that buy into marketing and bull and really dont know any better they have a choice of windows xp , vista or 7 .. No wonder windows 7 is the "fastest" selling..
Come back to me when windows can do half of what Compiz can do :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH9WLrcsrx8 --> Thats e17 and compiz gotta love it.. This is why I love Linux ...
@taligent OK, well you said Windows was not, when thats clearly not the case.
That is true about the applications, but the W7 150% option usually addresses that quite well by simply making the menus and buttons universally larger without having to stray from native resolution.
And don't forget that the Windows 7 touch experience when it comes to right clicking, bumps, gestures, inertia, text prediction and so forth all work in ANY application, and multitouch will work for your pictures, movies, media center, and other MS programs you'd be regularly using. =)
@McDuckScrooged From a sales standpoint, W7 was preferred by most users, whatever the reason.
Love Compiz btw, and I used to run software on Windows that rips off those features almost exactly.
Cube desktop was one of my favorites.
@McDuckScrooged dude i use linux and what alot of it is, is flash and effect. Although I do prefer it, and like that it forces you to be more computer savvy, windows can do what linux does just simpler.
@jon .. Are you serious ? .. Apps has been short for applications for 20+ years. Apple did not invent "apps" nor are they specific to mobile devices.
And I am not saying that apps won't work with a touch screen. Of course they will. Just that they aren't designed for it. So often they have small UI controls e.g. any of Adobe's products.
@McDuckScrooged Why would you even want your computer to do all of that....seriously?
all that crap does is hog your precious resources.
Aslo E17 is fucking nasty looking. Are you psychotic? Gnome and compiz or KDE 4 have much better effects without the disgusting, and revolting E17 style.
@McDuckScrooged i am Linux user and hate comp
it serve no purpose wobbly windows great spin my desktop like a cube great it flash and pretty
but i turn it off mainly cuz it does nothing i actually find useful and just slow my computer down
also most major Linux nerds also don't use it
@taligent He was clearly referring to the fact that "apps" of late has been the coined term for the barebones micro-applications that are lightweight enough to run on the popular smartphones.
W7 doesn't run "apps" it runs real applications, and a visit to www.download.com shows that the amount of development and dollars put into that ecosystem is prodigiously herculean.
@YoYo -- Each to their own, its called choice.. If you dont like it you can turn it off, if you do it stomps on aero.. I have the cpu cycles and the GPU to use all of it without any detrimental effect -- I even enable the cube stuff on my laptop, because it doesnt impact its performance.. :)
@Ducman I am sure you can get software to try and emulate its functionality on windows but its not the same thing, sorry ;)
As for the comment about e17, enlightenment 17 has been in development from about 2000.. Rasterman is an absolute perfectionist that's why its still considered to be in development. Its one of the best looking desktops around and its incredibly fast it even did a lot of stuff before mac osx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&feature=related If you actually ever used it you would understand, its unique, its beautiful and above all its incredibly fast. It has to be one of the fastest desktops I have used on Linux http://www.enlightenment.org/ (I am not in any way associated with enlightenment I just have a lot of respect for the developers, its absolutely beautiful work )
@Ducman69
Get real homey!
That was lamest most wrong statement I've heard in a while. But since you can get a cheap ass netbook for about $290.00 along with an expired can of spam at your local dollar store, then yeah most people will have windows.
@McDuckScrooged It doesn't have the ease of use and ecosystem of W7 though, and thus may suit you beautifully, but IMO wouldn't sell more or make more peeps happy.
Ubuntu isn't bad either, but most recall the Dell article about the very high return rate of those netbooks compared to the Windows ones that people were perhaps just more comfortable and familiar with.
Hence why IMO, while the JooJoo still has hardware issues to address, putting W7 on it from day 1 would have been a selling point.
@pspitts You gotsta back off wit dat mess homeslice.
Oh wait, I'm a middle-class suburban white guy.... apologies, got caught up in all the ebonic excitement.
@Ducman69 Really ?
http://blog.laptopmag.com/one-third-of-dell-inspiron-mini-9s-sold-run-linux
Begs to differ, thats 33% attach rate, also :
http://www.osnews.com/story/21986/Dell_Linux_Netbook_High_Return_Rate_Non-Issue_
and finally:
"Todd Finch, Dell senior product marketing manager, said the number of Linux returns are approximately the same as those for Windows netbooks. He categorized the matter of returns as a "non-issue"." -- from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_netbooks/
What was that you were saying exactly ? Was that some Microsoft marketing, that happens to actually be false ?
Even HP scrapped its windows7 slate offering, which was basically same form factor.. Running a full fledged os on a touch screen only input is a bit dumb, HP with all its wealth didnt see the point or must have run into some major hurdles with the platform and you want JooJoo to deliver it ?.. This is exactly why apple uses the iphone os rather than Mac OSX and exactly why HP has bought Palm..
The problem with the JooJoo is in execution, it wants to be an iPad or for that matter Google Chrome, but the UI hasnt had the polish.. I wouldn't buy it in its current incarnation and I definitely wouldn't buy it with windows7.. Its the implementation of the UI that they need to fix, not to ditch the whole platform and jump onto another that will have a hundred extra problems and increase the cost of production even further..
So yeah while I commend the guys behind this for doing it, they deserve a round of applause.. I think you should ask them how useful it is for day to day operations and/or how annoying it is.. That would in turn probably answer all of your questions and would probably explain to you why a company such as HP would be willing to show off the slate running win7, allow Balmer to show it off and then decide to ditch it..
@Ducman69 I think pspits saw the mention of rasterman and though of rasta as in rastafarian .. :)
Rasterman is called rasterman I would assume because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics and not cos he is a dread locking wearing rasta toking hard, he may do that as well, but hey its all good by me one people, one love.
@McDuckScrooged What are you talking about? HP has never said that they have scrapped the Slate yet alone provided any reason for something they never said in the first place.
Those rumors are about as valid and helpful as the supposed Sprint network data cap.
If you have to resort to misinformation to defend your viewpoint, you blew it.
@McDuckScrooged We agree the JooJoo execution is flawed, but if the JooJoo really wanted to be an iPad, it'd be sporting cellphone class internals attached to a big screen.
I'm not sure whats so confusing behind the idea that there is a market for a well executed more capable device over an iPod Touch thats too big to fit in your pocket. That market is well covered now.
@McDuckScrooged I have used it, it's gaudy.
@Ducman69
HI Sorry I was under the impression that HP had infact ditched the slate around the time when microsoft also ditched the courier..
After some quick searches:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-Doesnt-Have-To-Worry-siliconalley-2722837296.html?x=0&.v=1
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-tablet-project/
Infact searching on engadget itself:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/hp-slate-killed-rumor-mill-says-yes/ -- This is why I was sure that the HP Slate had been killed. To quote that article:
"Last night TechCrunch reported that, according to an unnamed "source briefed on the matter," HP had stopped development of the Slate in its tracks, killing off the project entirely. Why? Well, according to the source, HP isn't thrilled with Windows 7's performance on the tablet. "
and that is why I thought the slate had been killed.. You have probably a 1 in 10 chance the slate will actually be produced, but if the rumours are to be believed its been ditched.
I absolutely love this line though:
"If you have to resort to misinformation to defend your viewpoint, you blew it" -- You mean like :
"Ubuntu isn't bad either, but most recall the Dell article about the very high return rate of those netbooks compared to the Windows ones that people were perhaps just more comfortable and familiar with."
Which is complete misinformation from you, especially considering that Dell have publicly said the exact opposite. -- I guess you blew it a long time ago if we go with your own comment..
Sorry to be a smart arse, but you asked for it..
@taligent
I don't recall any widespread example of app being used as the default word to describe software at any time in the last 30 years.
Not saying you didn't or that no one has but as far as it being -the word-.. Well that's been Apple and the AppStore.
Application isn't even the generic word. It was used for a class of software, as was utilities. Program is older again, more used when that's what you did, when you had to else the computer did nothing but blink a cursor at you.
@McDuckScrooged Get your facts straight before trying to show me up.
Many months before that official launch, Dell and others were seeing very high return rates for the Ubuntu models. Yes, the spokesman came up and denied the high return rate as they were making the push (it saves them money) and sounds bad for business.
Subsequently, Dell no longer offers preconfigured netbooks with Ubuntu as they used to: http://www.dell.com/home/laptops#subcats=laptop-inspiron-mini&navla=&a= (notice they are exclusively Windows).
But even the creators of Ubuntu have admitted to the problem with high returns.
http://blog.laptopmag.com/ubuntu-confirms-linux-netbook-returns-higher-than-anticpated
****
MSI candidly told us that Linux netbooks see a 4 times higher return rate than netbooks that are preloaded with Windows XP. The comment has attracted lots of comments and interpretations about Linux OSes on netbooks across the Net.
Well, when we touched base today with Gerry Carr, marketing manager at Canonical (the creator of the Ubuntu operating system) we learned that MSI’s research extends beyond its own products. See his comments below, but it seems Linux’ future on the netbook is bleaker than we thought.
"I will say that the return rate is above normal for netbooks that offer open-source operating systems" Carr
****
@Ducman69 err I meant "official statement" not launch. Fail! lol! xD
@McDuckScrooged
Dude take your medication and stop posting article sized replies. Im glad you like linux but no need to shove it down people's throats.
@Cy Starkman
People have been saying "killer app" meaning best piece of software for a platform for longer than I can remember.
I can also recall "app" being used as short for "application" in other ways although a specific example escapes me at the moment.
"application" has been used as a general term for software programs for quite awhile as well. I know that the folder to witch most user level software was installed on a mac has been named "applications" at least as far back as os9.
@Ducman69 I absolutely love your line of arguments..
This is exactly why I have been linking articles...
Dell have publicly stated that Linux sales have accounted for a 1/3 of the total sales.. This is fact.. How could it possibly save you money to publicly back Linux sales and at the same time publicly shame Microsoft, your biggest partner ? Doesnt make any sense, sorry
"Yes, the spokesman came up and denied the high return rate as they were making the push (it saves them money) and sounds bad for business. " -- This is pure misinformation, its complete bull..
Just fyi, to buy dell ubuntu laptops :
www.dell.com/ubuntu .. Actually they do still sell preconfigured ubuntu/moblin Linux laptops..
As for MSI, they happen to ship a version of Suse which just plain sucks, no wonder it has such high returns..
Also for the article from blog.laptopmag -- Very interesting, a different take on that news, from a more reputable source:
http://www.zdnet.com/news/netbook-returns-blamed-on-linux-teething-problems/240369
"That bears out Canonical's experience with netbooks based on Ubuntu, said Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr. "We're seeing similar types of return rates for our machines," Carr told ZDNet.co.uk.
However, such figures shouldn't distract from the fact that Linux is, in general, proving a great success on netbooks, Carr said.
"Return rates are higher, but they're not high," he said. "Return rates are low. That they're higher than with Windows XP, a technology that has been around for 20 years, is understandable.""
How words can be twisted -- I would rather go with zdnets version than an unknown blog that doesnt even bother quoting Carr, "Ubuntu" directly..
Also just fyi, I would like to point you to this:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/why_microsoft_fears_linux
"An article by Bloomberg does a great job of digging up statistics about Linux versus Windows on netbook, and it's sobering for Microsoft. It finds that:
Acer Inc. and Asustek Computer Inc., which together account for 90 percent of the netbook market, are using the rival Linux software on about 30 percent of their low-cost notebooks."
There 2 more manufacturers with about 30% Linux Sales..
What do you think will happen when Google Jumps in feet first with their ChromeOS and Android OS on Tablets and netbooks, both based on Linux ? Or What about HP and its upcoming WebOS based tablets ? -- All it will do is start eating into Microsoft Desktop share.. You can sit there and wave your Microsoft pom poms and happily cheer away, but dont expect everyone to buy the marketing hype and bull..
also FYI:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/
Such an interesting read, I wonder how much their practices have changed since then.. You seriously think Dell would dare to stand up to them, when this is their corporate behaviour ?
I have tried to be polite, there is no point carrying this on as it will just turn into some stupid fanboy slap fest and has already started going completely off target from the main story.. Again congrats to the guys for getting windows 7 loaded on the JooJoo, its all good.
@marsmissions "All that crap does is hog your precious resources"
Says a Windows user?
@McDuckScrooged I'm not reading that much. Please condense your thoughts.
@McDuckScrooged
Your having an arguement over the internet about something you don't even help make. Gosh you are child. My OS IS BETTER THAN YOUR OS!!!!!
@Ducman69 What? No.
Apps still refers to applications in general. Not just on handheld devices.
@Ducman69
it doesn't deserve praise for things it doesn't do. Just admit you made all that shit up, don't pretend you're an expert when you don't even have basic knowledge!
@XChrisX
Definitely!
@XChrisX Lol.. gotta add the vista hate.. The only thing MS did wrong with vista was not test it with their target audience and rush it out the gate. SP1+ is fine. For all intents and purposes other then multitouch and some directx which no one is yet using Win7 is VISTA.
@taligent
Yet people seem to get some use out of these VNC clients for the iPad and such. If Windows where really so unsuitable in a tablet environment, then no one would be doing ESPN style hacks. Clearly lots of people like the form factor and wish the applications on the device were less crippled.
Get beyond the multi-touch and an iPad is rediculously out of date device.
@XChrisX Vista wasn't bad; it was driver compatibility that was the main issue. That, and it was a tough pill to swallow for some that they had to buy a new computer to run it.