Sony, TiVo, NCTA and others chime in on CableCARD's replacement
The FCC has been unsuccessful in spurring competition in the set-top box market since Congress passed a law requiring changes in 1996. The current situation is exactly why we don't see some of our favorite companies making cable compatible devices -- remember when just about every electronics company made a VCR? CableCARD is a failure because, among other reasons, it is expensive to implement and requires the customer give up certain aspects of their service, like video-on-demand and guide data; on top of that it is a cable only solution and some people prefer satellite TV. And so after giving the market all this time to work out a solution, the FCC issued an Notice of Inquiry (NOI) in an attempt to devise a new mandate that would make give you as many options for a DVR as you have for something like a smart phone. An NOI is just one of the first of many steps on the way to new rules, but the comments do give us a great picture of where each party stands.
Two sides are clearly forming with Sony, TiVo and the Consumer Electronics Association leading up one side and the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA), its members, and satellite providers on the other. To sum it up the consumer electronics companies make suggestions for an IP video gateway nick named AllVid, which they hope will bring consumers choice in both hardware and software without having to change providers or sacrifice features. And on the other side, they believe that things are just great the way they are and that innovation is happening. They go on to describe how the plans in the NOI will not only fail to spur innovation, but will actually be detrimental to providers and consumers. Then just for good measure, they explain why the FCC doesn't even have the authority to mandate such things.
The entire thing is an interesting perspective into how the Executive Branch of our government works, and while it'll be some time before we are impacted by the outcome, we went ahead and laid out the highlights of a number of the comments after the break so you can play FCC commissioner at home.
Sony: The comments were in favor of AllVid and explains how current market results in a incompatibility between providers and that there is a lack of true competition. Then went on to explain six important points for success, as well as why CableCARD failed despite Sony's support. Specific suggestions include the fact that the gateway should only require the six stream gateway and not the dual stream adapter. The gateway should be a DLNA certified Digital Media Server (DMS). Wired Ethernet and MPEG2 with AC3 should be required, but other network technologies like Wifi and MoCA should be permitted. DTCP encryption is the DRM of choice and that the gateway shouldn't include an ATSC tuner. The FCC should not prohibit optional (emphasis theirs) remote user interfaces like RVU, and that program meta-data is an integral part of the service and should be included in the gateway's services.
Panasonic: Panasonic loves DLNA and believes it should be required, along with H.264 support and DTCP DRM. while bi-directional communication should be required, Panasonic was still on the fence about specific bi-directional service requirements like video-on-demand etc. Then it proposed that the FCC wait and see if CE and operators can come to their own solutions, like RVU and EPG access. The gateway should be able to receive remote-control commands from client devices. Cable providers boxes should have a "common reliance" on the gateway by July 1, 2013 (this means a set-top you get from the provider should relay on the gateway too). The gateway must provide access to linear and SDV content without requiring tru2way or other middleware, but the use of tru2way or other middleware to access to PPV, VOD or other bi-directional content should be optional.
TiVo: There should be a demarcation point between proprietary provider's technology and client side standards. TiVo doesn't think the FCC should abandon CableCARD until after a replacement is well-established and successful. The intent as TiVo puts it, is that "the gateway solution puts retail client devices on an equal footing with leased client devices." One specific suggestion, that won't go over well, is that "all client devices, including new MVPD leased devices, rely equally on gateways for all services" -- we understands that providers want to do their own thing, but also agree that if the provider's boxes don't also rely on the gateways, they won't be well supported. TiVo thinks that 2 or more tuners should be required and that a physical interface and guide data are essential to success. One no brainer that Google also mentioned is that the gateway needs to have the ability to search video-on-demand. TiVo believes that the providers should offer multiple models of gateways with different abilities; like maybe more tuners, transcoding, cache storage, etc. And finally "compliance with necessary standards should be independently determined and certified." It did concede that it understands that the purchase screens need to be rendered by the provider, but suggested that ordering of services should be framed in the client's UI, rather than taking over the entire screen.
NCTA: The main gist of the NCTA's comments is that there is already competition and the video options are exploding and that cable is already working towards the goals without regulations (DLNA, MoCA, DECE, TV anywhere, gateways, tru2way). It believes that "the Commission (should) leave industry with the flexibility to test and use diverse solutions that can adapt to rapid changes in technology, competition, and consumer demand" -- it really makes us roll our eyes every time we hear the NCTA mention consumer demand, competition and rapid change; three things that are obvious its members don't understand. The comments plea with the the FCC and that it "should not impose artificial constraints on the development of a variety of approaches and devices in the name of "common reliance."" The "AllVid approach outlined in the NOI strives for the right outcome but fails to account for how constraining innovation will harm consumers." The NCTA believes that "the NOI suggests unworkable (and unlawful) elements of disaggregation and disintermediation of the cable business" -- we just love this one, this basically means that providers don't want to be dumb pipes and if it doesn't control the user interface, then providers will go out of business. Some of the reasons mention were that it doesn't offer adequate protection and it doesn't protect the guide data (which is licensed with restrictions). But saying that isn't enough, the NCTA went on to say "This approach is beyond the bounds of Section 629 (the law that gives the FCC authority on this matter) as well as other provisions of the Communications Act delimiting Commission authority over the provision or content of cable services."
After all that negativity, the comments go on to describe suggestions for the gateway if the FCC can't be swayed to give up on the idea. Like the fact that "AllVid interfaces must enable networked devices to receive a provider's user interface for interactive services" -- this is the same reasoning that got us tru2way which prevents a 3rd party DVR from offering Netflix streaming in the same UI as the provider's video-on-demand; basically it means the provider needs to control the user interface, not TiVo, Google, or anyone else. It also believe that RVU is ill-suited to cable's more interactive architecture -- ha, what else can we say when a cable calls its architecture interactive? Other remote user interfaces like CEA-2014-A and HTML5 are examples of more appropriate.
MPAA: The group we love to hate starts on the party line about how there's lots of consumer choice and goes on to list "tru2way, DECE,4 Keychest, the TV Everywhere initiative,5 iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, Xbox Live Marketplace, PlayStation Store, and Amazon" as evidence of its point. Then continues on to say that adopting the rules in the NOI will harm consumers and that DTCP-IP is not enough DRM (a CableLabs approved DRM to protect content on a home network). There isn't much the MPAA does like about the idea and takes issue with the choice of Ethernet for video, and proposes something like HDMI instead. It does not believe that the proposal takes into account the content deals between Hollywood and the providers. It worries that if you let cable content be displayed with other content, it might be listed with pirated content which will cause consumer confusion. Basically it is all hate and no concrete proposals to spur competition in the set-top box area.
Verizon: No regulation is necessary we're already innovating, and besides, the commission doesn't have the authority. Verizon goes on and on about its innovation without regulations ignore its pitiful 160GB HDD and 4x3 UI on its own DVR, wow.
CEA: This group is of course on the consumer's side since it sells us stuff we want. Like TiVo and Panasonic, it believes the newly acquired provider set-tops should also rely on the gateway, but thinks there should be minimum, optional, and reserved functions and capacities. It maintains that "the rendering and display of Guides, as well as of all programming, are client-side, rather than MVPD gateway, functions" -- this is to refute the NCTA's position that providers need to control the user interface. Echoing TiVo it goes on to say that "standards reliance of competitive client devices can and should be independently certified" and that "to put, e.g., CableLabs in charge of the interface to be used by gateways of other MVPDs would be just as unsatisfactory as it has been to put CableLabs in charge of certifying devices to compete with those of its cable industry owners" -- well said. And in case you were wondering, yes, "the FCC has the authority, indeed the obligation, to adopt the necessary regulations."
Specific recommendations by the CEA include that DLNA rocks as a standard, the gateway should have at least two tuners, include EPG data and there should be some optional features like transcoding, cache storage and a remote user interface. But if consumers want an ATSC tuner, they should buy a client with one.
TWC: Supports the goals and interest in expanding customer choice, but the rules are unnecessary and the FCC should let the market to continue to innovate -- like that has worked out so far. Finally the FCC should avoid mandating that providers "disaggregate their services;" which the FCC lacks the authority on, and besides, "the timeline is unrealistic."
DirecTV: We acknowledge the importance to consumers, but don't want it mandated. DirecTV tries to tell us how highly sophisticated its set-tops already are, then claims it is already in the process of implementing a similar architecture with RVU (and was promised by early 2010) which is evidence that a mandate is not required. And then it starts to attack the idea by saying the proposal underestimates the complexity of the situation and that it might put providers in legal jeopardy. But maybe our favorite little piece is that it believes the plan is disadvantages to satellite it reduces providers to dumb pipes which is to cables advantage since it has greater capacity and can offer triple-play. Then DirecTV claims it it could make it harder for providers to roll out new features and it would degrade customer service since the customer could be using unfamiliar hardware -- it is hard to imagine worse customer service from DirecTV.
Conclusion
All in all the comments are right on par with what you'd expect and while the FCC has sided with content providers in the past, it seems that it has no choice but go the other way this time around, or else Congress will have to go back and rewrite the rules entirely. There is a lot to get done if the FCC really intends to get these gateways in our homes by 2012, and while we want nothing more than innovation in the set-top box space, the current situation is so bleak we have a hard time imagining this dream coming true.
Two sides are clearly forming with Sony, TiVo and the Consumer Electronics Association leading up one side and the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA), its members, and satellite providers on the other. To sum it up the consumer electronics companies make suggestions for an IP video gateway nick named AllVid, which they hope will bring consumers choice in both hardware and software without having to change providers or sacrifice features. And on the other side, they believe that things are just great the way they are and that innovation is happening. They go on to describe how the plans in the NOI will not only fail to spur innovation, but will actually be detrimental to providers and consumers. Then just for good measure, they explain why the FCC doesn't even have the authority to mandate such things.
The entire thing is an interesting perspective into how the Executive Branch of our government works, and while it'll be some time before we are impacted by the outcome, we went ahead and laid out the highlights of a number of the comments after the break so you can play FCC commissioner at home.
Sony: The comments were in favor of AllVid and explains how current market results in a incompatibility between providers and that there is a lack of true competition. Then went on to explain six important points for success, as well as why CableCARD failed despite Sony's support. Specific suggestions include the fact that the gateway should only require the six stream gateway and not the dual stream adapter. The gateway should be a DLNA certified Digital Media Server (DMS). Wired Ethernet and MPEG2 with AC3 should be required, but other network technologies like Wifi and MoCA should be permitted. DTCP encryption is the DRM of choice and that the gateway shouldn't include an ATSC tuner. The FCC should not prohibit optional (emphasis theirs) remote user interfaces like RVU, and that program meta-data is an integral part of the service and should be included in the gateway's services.
Panasonic: Panasonic loves DLNA and believes it should be required, along with H.264 support and DTCP DRM. while bi-directional communication should be required, Panasonic was still on the fence about specific bi-directional service requirements like video-on-demand etc. Then it proposed that the FCC wait and see if CE and operators can come to their own solutions, like RVU and EPG access. The gateway should be able to receive remote-control commands from client devices. Cable providers boxes should have a "common reliance" on the gateway by July 1, 2013 (this means a set-top you get from the provider should relay on the gateway too). The gateway must provide access to linear and SDV content without requiring tru2way or other middleware, but the use of tru2way or other middleware to access to PPV, VOD or other bi-directional content should be optional.
TiVo: There should be a demarcation point between proprietary provider's technology and client side standards. TiVo doesn't think the FCC should abandon CableCARD until after a replacement is well-established and successful. The intent as TiVo puts it, is that "the gateway solution puts retail client devices on an equal footing with leased client devices." One specific suggestion, that won't go over well, is that "all client devices, including new MVPD leased devices, rely equally on gateways for all services" -- we understands that providers want to do their own thing, but also agree that if the provider's boxes don't also rely on the gateways, they won't be well supported. TiVo thinks that 2 or more tuners should be required and that a physical interface and guide data are essential to success. One no brainer that Google also mentioned is that the gateway needs to have the ability to search video-on-demand. TiVo believes that the providers should offer multiple models of gateways with different abilities; like maybe more tuners, transcoding, cache storage, etc. And finally "compliance with necessary standards should be independently determined and certified." It did concede that it understands that the purchase screens need to be rendered by the provider, but suggested that ordering of services should be framed in the client's UI, rather than taking over the entire screen.
NCTA: The main gist of the NCTA's comments is that there is already competition and the video options are exploding and that cable is already working towards the goals without regulations (DLNA, MoCA, DECE, TV anywhere, gateways, tru2way). It believes that "the Commission (should) leave industry with the flexibility to test and use diverse solutions that can adapt to rapid changes in technology, competition, and consumer demand" -- it really makes us roll our eyes every time we hear the NCTA mention consumer demand, competition and rapid change; three things that are obvious its members don't understand. The comments plea with the the FCC and that it "should not impose artificial constraints on the development of a variety of approaches and devices in the name of "common reliance."" The "AllVid approach outlined in the NOI strives for the right outcome but fails to account for how constraining innovation will harm consumers." The NCTA believes that "the NOI suggests unworkable (and unlawful) elements of disaggregation and disintermediation of the cable business" -- we just love this one, this basically means that providers don't want to be dumb pipes and if it doesn't control the user interface, then providers will go out of business. Some of the reasons mention were that it doesn't offer adequate protection and it doesn't protect the guide data (which is licensed with restrictions). But saying that isn't enough, the NCTA went on to say "This approach is beyond the bounds of Section 629 (the law that gives the FCC authority on this matter) as well as other provisions of the Communications Act delimiting Commission authority over the provision or content of cable services."
After all that negativity, the comments go on to describe suggestions for the gateway if the FCC can't be swayed to give up on the idea. Like the fact that "AllVid interfaces must enable networked devices to receive a provider's user interface for interactive services" -- this is the same reasoning that got us tru2way which prevents a 3rd party DVR from offering Netflix streaming in the same UI as the provider's video-on-demand; basically it means the provider needs to control the user interface, not TiVo, Google, or anyone else. It also believe that RVU is ill-suited to cable's more interactive architecture -- ha, what else can we say when a cable calls its architecture interactive? Other remote user interfaces like CEA-2014-A and HTML5 are examples of more appropriate.
MPAA: The group we love to hate starts on the party line about how there's lots of consumer choice and goes on to list "tru2way, DECE,4 Keychest, the TV Everywhere initiative,5 iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, Xbox Live Marketplace, PlayStation Store, and Amazon" as evidence of its point. Then continues on to say that adopting the rules in the NOI will harm consumers and that DTCP-IP is not enough DRM (a CableLabs approved DRM to protect content on a home network). There isn't much the MPAA does like about the idea and takes issue with the choice of Ethernet for video, and proposes something like HDMI instead. It does not believe that the proposal takes into account the content deals between Hollywood and the providers. It worries that if you let cable content be displayed with other content, it might be listed with pirated content which will cause consumer confusion. Basically it is all hate and no concrete proposals to spur competition in the set-top box area.
Verizon: No regulation is necessary we're already innovating, and besides, the commission doesn't have the authority. Verizon goes on and on about its innovation without regulations ignore its pitiful 160GB HDD and 4x3 UI on its own DVR, wow.
CEA: This group is of course on the consumer's side since it sells us stuff we want. Like TiVo and Panasonic, it believes the newly acquired provider set-tops should also rely on the gateway, but thinks there should be minimum, optional, and reserved functions and capacities. It maintains that "the rendering and display of Guides, as well as of all programming, are client-side, rather than MVPD gateway, functions" -- this is to refute the NCTA's position that providers need to control the user interface. Echoing TiVo it goes on to say that "standards reliance of competitive client devices can and should be independently certified" and that "to put, e.g., CableLabs in charge of the interface to be used by gateways of other MVPDs would be just as unsatisfactory as it has been to put CableLabs in charge of certifying devices to compete with those of its cable industry owners" -- well said. And in case you were wondering, yes, "the FCC has the authority, indeed the obligation, to adopt the necessary regulations."
Specific recommendations by the CEA include that DLNA rocks as a standard, the gateway should have at least two tuners, include EPG data and there should be some optional features like transcoding, cache storage and a remote user interface. But if consumers want an ATSC tuner, they should buy a client with one.
TWC: Supports the goals and interest in expanding customer choice, but the rules are unnecessary and the FCC should let the market to continue to innovate -- like that has worked out so far. Finally the FCC should avoid mandating that providers "disaggregate their services;" which the FCC lacks the authority on, and besides, "the timeline is unrealistic."
DirecTV: We acknowledge the importance to consumers, but don't want it mandated. DirecTV tries to tell us how highly sophisticated its set-tops already are, then claims it is already in the process of implementing a similar architecture with RVU (and was promised by early 2010) which is evidence that a mandate is not required. And then it starts to attack the idea by saying the proposal underestimates the complexity of the situation and that it might put providers in legal jeopardy. But maybe our favorite little piece is that it believes the plan is disadvantages to satellite it reduces providers to dumb pipes which is to cables advantage since it has greater capacity and can offer triple-play. Then DirecTV claims it it could make it harder for providers to roll out new features and it would degrade customer service since the customer could be using unfamiliar hardware -- it is hard to imagine worse customer service from DirecTV.
Conclusion
All in all the comments are right on par with what you'd expect and while the FCC has sided with content providers in the past, it seems that it has no choice but go the other way this time around, or else Congress will have to go back and rewrite the rules entirely. There is a lot to get done if the FCC really intends to get these gateways in our homes by 2012, and while we want nothing more than innovation in the set-top box space, the current situation is so bleak we have a hard time imagining this dream coming true.























This stuff is wayyyyy too complicated for the average Joe with 2.5 kids.
@SolidSnake
Allow this thing to be accessable to any hobbyist or garage developer with any interest and the "joe sixpack" problem will be solved by 3rd party device vendors. Microsoft, Tivo and even the Linux community will happily step up with suitable devices and software that hides all of the rough edges.
@SolidSnake
Show the average Joe Windows Media Center + an Xbox 360 and I think he'll get it.
@SolidSnake
as much as i love psn the ps video store, itunes and possibly xbl (not sure exactly but probably) are all horrible
i love how if you play it even once there is a 24-hour limit until the video is expired and you can not play again, but yet if not played at all it lasts for a week, that is pathetic!!
why could it not be just the full week?
how the hell does it harm them!?
and this is why i think most of the video on demand blows!
i only care about hulu if you can watch it on the consoles for free, the $10 service sounds nice but i dont need that stuff right now
@SolidSnake I'm still waiting to buy a TV tuner that can support my cable subscription. I was doing fine with ClearQAM channels until Comcast decided to change their service style and knock my entire channel list into the "Encrypted" world. I currently have a TV and 3 MCE devices that are useless because my HTPC can't receive anything TV...
Someone wanna hurry up with something new other than CableCard so I don't have to spend an arm and a leg to watch TV? I've already invested too much to get ripped off by Comcast.
@SolidSnake - Joe sickpack can keep paying the cable company for their cruddy settop boxes and DVRs. The rest of us will be happy to have the choice of dozens if not hundreds of devices that at their core service level will be plug and play. However, they will also have a lot of other functions should the user wish to invest a little time setting up their home entertainment network. ;^D
@Patriot
DVR software is horrible, appealing to the lowest common denominator firstly and to enthusiast secondly or not at all. I choose a Media Center for all it can do and more, not for ease of installation. I have to use S-video for input from the Direct TV box, weak sauce. That's just one example of making a compromise work but I would love for Direct TV to come out with its USB Tuner for PC's. There is still a desire to have Media PC's because setup boxes don't do enough and limited storage and it doesn't centralize your Media.
RIAA is typical in worrying about 19th Century business model in the 21st Century and can afford to spend 16 Million to lawyer up, so they can't be "THAT" broke.
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@ineedthatthing And what exactly does this have to do with CableCARD?
@VetteDude
Steve- I introduce you to the Ipads, now s stands for Stuff.
More stuff is being added to the ipad such as Cable Cards.
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@ineedthatthing
Your picture should be yourself holding a sign saying "Troll"
@jayjaync
How am i beginning a troll?
@ineedthatthing
Beginning by having no irrelevant post logic to near article. Potato.
Seriously Engadget?!
"... since Congress past a law..."
Since when is it hard to distinguish between "past" and "passed"?
Get some editors, people!
@mikesay98
Funny, I came here to politely make Ben aware of the probably 4-5 spelling/grammar issues politely. Way to be a grumpy Internet text box Mike!
@Ben
Thanks for writing this up man! This is exactly why I love Engadget- it's a pretty huge, complex argument and you guys break it down and sum it up nicely. Much appreciated!
By the time these guys stop bickering and decide on something, Hulu Plus, Netflix, etc streaming services will probably have so much damn content people will have just given up on TV. My wife after seeing the Hulu Plus for PS3 preview told me to ditch cable. Done.
Yes. I like this. I want choice, and the only thing that might spoil this is some red tape from GOP, or the companies backing this taking 20 years to figure it out.
@Nathan B The irony of this is that Hulu doesn't WANT people to give up their cable: they are owned by cable giants, after all, and the one of the prime reasons Hulu was able to be successful was access to all of that content without having to make a deal with a 3rd party.
@gsaj Cable companies know the future is streaming. They're milking cable now, but preparing for the battle with netflix and other streaming services.
@Nathan B
Damn. I wish my wife would be up for ditching cable. I've done a few proposals and there is always some new requirement I didn't meet. She really likes crap on HGTV, TLC, Discovery, Food, and Bravo. I know I could probably torrent the episodes, I just want to stay away from legal trouble for now.
In regards to the article, I am for the gateway idea. I haven't been quite satisfied with DLNA on my PS3, but it might be that what I'm trying to do with DLNA, it wasn't designed for nor am I using its full functionality. i think the requirement to have a STB is absurd.
A lot of people fail to remember that the entire country isn't blanketed in high-speed access. I live 2 miles from the limit of 1 cable company, and 3 miles from a different cable company's limit. DSL isn't offered as the AT&T tech that I saw in our neighborhood said we're about 2500 feet out of range. The fastest, lowest latency internet access I can get is cellular, and I just did a speed test this morning and was getting .62 down and .48 up. I don't even bother trying to stream anything. My wife missed an episode of one of her shows so I'm trying to download it so she can see it and I expect the 700mb file to take at least a day to download. Curse you folks with your high-speed whizzbangs!!! lol
@Fuzzball Actually my wife was the exact same too - she loves HGTV, Food, Discovery, and Travel, and that's why I didn't really push it. I guess I just got lucky, and while catching up on Tru Blood over torrents, and hearing about Hulu, she just woke up and realized there's other good ways to get content, and that she just watches those shows out of boredom. IDK, Just keep trying new ways, maybe something will "click"
@perpetual98 Yup I grew up in a town of 2000 people too, and remember being sooo jealous of people that actually could use Compuserve without dialing long distance. The price you pay for living in a rural area. Now I grew up, moved out, and been on FiOS for 3 years, with wired gigabit Ethernet in my apartment :) Oh and I go to visit the countryside once a year or so lol.
@perpetual98 Its a Last Mile issue, we can solve it with Government intervention like we did with the Electricity Grid and the Tenn Valley Authority. People complain the ISP's will then bitch and complain, blame the Government for regulation and stick you with the cost of adding rural residents to the broadband. No, its about ensuring all Americans IF THEY WISH are not at the mercy of Private Industry which is ultimately all about making money, unless you like Steve Jobs' reaction to all the Antenna issues with the Iphone 4.
Just cancel your cable. Seriously. As long as people continue to subscribe to cable, cable companies will continue to find ways to screw those people over. They need to go out of business, because they are crappy companies run crappily by crappy people.
How about just streaming the freaking channels to whoever wants to watch over IP, bit-torrent style???
Yes, I know I'm daydreaming...
@GaryZ Seriously, though. Upgrade everyone to fibre optics and just act as a delivery mechanism. Let people pay just for the channels they want.
It's crazy, but the last year I've been 100% backing the FCC. More power to them. I honestly feel like they know what they're doing with all this shit for the future and if they can get some industry support they'll figure things out without much of a problem.
I'm sorry, but if the NCTA seriously thinks that things are hunky-dory the way they are now, then they are either huge idiots themselves, or they think that we're all a bunch of idiots. I'm leaning toward the latter.
They LOVE the current system precisely because it's a HUGE failure.
@DTJ
They are desperately trying to cling to the status quo and so blindered that they don't notice the comet and super extinction event that's headed their way.
@jedi
Exactly. Everyone is familiar with the Internet now and by extension want to be able to access all their media as interactively as they access media on the web. The cable companies can either resign themselves to being dumb pipes while letting others create usable interfaces for their content or they will die of when alternate content begins catching on specifically because it allows itself to be accessed freely.
Wow, very technical but very good article. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!
Of course Time Warner Cable would say that....they continue to do the LEAST innovating out of all the big cable companies (on the TV side anyway).
I switched to Uverse and it is hands down the best. IPTV is the way to go.
It's been 15 friggin' years.
And my cable company has a box in my living room that I would have failed any project for a real-time systems class for. An entry level class.
They cable companies should not even be allowed at the table anymore.
They are Fail and Suck and both are Hard.
I give the replacement a shelf life of exactly 2 months, just like every other digital cable "standard."
The industry should work on uniform standards for hardware CEs and providers to follow to ensure the best interoperability between products. It'd allow me to take my DVR from service to service to service as long as my DVR had the features I wanted without fear of losing recordings on it or having to buy/rent some other piece of equipment. It is not sufficient to simply innovate; there needs to be compatible standards that everyone can follow. It's how DVD became so big, it's why downloads is such a mess today.
Demo the worse looking dvd you have to show how good your bluray can upscale.
Demo netflix streaming to show how your receiver can make 2 channel audio into 7.1.
Do we really need a "gateway"? More cable/satellite provider junk in my living room? I thought one of the points of this AllVid was consumer choice, not forcing more equipment I don't own down my throat. Just what I need, another electronic device sitting on top of my DVR, BluRay Player, Surround Receiver, Gaming System, etc. And only two tuners? Real innovative, folks. Thanks. A lot.
@popquiz
This wouldn't go in your living room, it'd go on your home network like a cable modem. In fact many expect it to replace the cable modem completely.
Fantastic summary! As someone who follows this docket closely, I think you've done a great job distilling hundreds of pages of comments into a readable summary of the positions being taken by the big boys in this fight.
@PhiTauBill
Wow thanks, that is one of the best compliments I've ever received on my work. It is nice when someone appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into a post like this and the approves of the outcome. Thanks.
Ben
So what is happening with RVU?
@quambafu
RVU is still in development, the first consumer device hasn't made it to market yet though.
Really the cable companies seem to want 3 things here:
1.They want to control the UI for cable services such as video on demand, program guides, pay-per-view instead of allowing the device vendor to render the UI the way the device vendor wants.
2.They want clear separation between "cable" content (i.e. that provided by the cable company) and "cloud" content (such as Netflix, YouTube etc) instead of "cable" content such as pay-per-view and video on demand simply being another icon next to the YouTube and Netflix icons.
3.They want control over consumer devices to ensure that they can enforce broadcast flags, ban the ability to easily copy the data after you record it, eliminate commercial skipping etc.
"other OS" reminds me of PS3's good times...
i work for a cable company, and i will say about the same time we started using the cable card system all hell broke loose. since then things have gradually gotten better. but we still see tons of issues which may or may not be related to cablecard. as for tivo users its a process for them to get digital channels, they have to contact us for a 2 way cable card and tuning adapter that we have to order every time we get a work order for. there is not enough training on it as i usually go into the field to install them. the scientific atlantic boxes are nightmares, at least the ones with cablecards. but we are currently switching to samsung products which are working great already. i would love to see an open market for digital boxes. with custom interfaces an access to the web. but right now the cable industry feels about 10 years behind as we are just now finally getting multi room dvr in our market.
@streetpeddler That is exactly why things need to change. These companies are some of the biggest, most profitable in the world. If anyone should be able to implement decent UIs and new technology it's them. They have plenty of resources but are only interested in getting bigger and more profitable. It's sick.
I'm in favor of the fcc mandating a compatible and competition friendly standard. Not so much in what specifically that standard should include.
Personally, I'm in favor of an ip based implementation. Anything that makes the providers dumb pipes to the internet/content cloud is something I favor.
As long as the solution limits my recording options (except on-demand and rentals) and doesn't allow me to use software of choice (linux), I'll never use it. I paid for it, I want to watch it how I want. 99.9% of people who subscribe to Cable are not pirates, so why treat them like pirates? Ridiculous.
#sigh Here we go again: another good idea being sabotaged by the cable incumbents. As interested as I'd like to be, I've been burned by the "hope" of CableCARD before. So sad.
Cut to the important part: how does this affect RS-232 ports?