There's no need for proof. There are users like us, who use these phones. I once owned the Omnia 2, and I didn't have that sort of problem. When I switched to the iPhone 4, bam, I was pissed off. I returned it, and got the EVO.
@Revolutionary Yea, perhaps you just didn't notice it on your Omnia because you weren't listening to other people bitch about it or believing everything you hear like a sheep. Unless you were looking for trouble, you won't find it. Just like on an iPhone 4.
Please remind me where Samsung said the Omnia II would have better coverage and reception than the original Omnia. That is the difference between the iPhone and any other smartphone.
What I find even more interesting is that I never had the impression that Steve was trying to bash on other companies. Didn't he say that they were all good phones or something? Doesn't really matter since pointing fingers was clearly not the best move even if it's true or not.
Anyways I have a 3GS up here in canada and I've never had reception issues apart from when I was in the US. The funny thing with all of that is that technically my phone can jump from ATT to T-Mobile whenever needed and I still had reception issues in certain areas.
What most people fail to understand is Apple is comparing Apple's (hehe) to Oranges. Their antenna is on the OUTSIDE of their phone, while the others are internal. By only using one finger, I can drop a call on the iPhone 4 (yes I have tried this). With these other phones, you have to basically squeeze the hell out of them while holding it awkwardly to lose signal. How is this the same thing?
Apple, you messed up, you fessed up (sort of), and have come up with a shitty conclusion (free cases?). Now how about fixing your phone? Stop pulling other phone companies into this mess with untruthful statements. I swear everything I hear about Apple these days negative, some not warranted, but it is as if they want the public to hate them, and don't care...
@Revolutionary - Yep, everyone else got the memo you don't need to put antennas on the outside for them to work. No one else drops calls at the rate of the iphone and we all have internal antennas. Grip isn't an issue for me either with the evo, unless I hold it upside down. And how exactly do you claim the iphone4 has the best antenna of all iphones when it drops more calls than the 3gs, and tons more than most other phones?
If I get fired from my job for smoking crack, is it right to start pointing out all the co-workers I know who smoke weed?
Its a bitch move.
a> If Apple gets sued over 'antennagate', then he just sent an invitation out to sue all other manufacturers b> The problems he showed with "all cell phones" is NOT QUITE the same as what's wrong w/ the iPhone, and it's misdirection/misinformation he's using to try to deflect the criticisms c> NO ONE is complaining about those other handsets or companies... people are focusing on the iphone (whether out of some fad-like trend or because they really do have issues, don't matter)... so Apple needs to worry about Apple (I could go one about this all day... for example, how much time was spent testing these other phones? Isnt' that more time and resource they could have put into checking out their own problem a litte more? How much money was spent to try to prove someone else's property is as bad as yours??") d> Seriously backlash... not talking about these tit for tat comments either, I mean Jobs just opened the door for every one of these manufacturers and independent testers to start running some serious comparisons. Whats going to happen if these companies find and show proof that the iPhone has a much more serious problem and their phones have none? FOOT IN MOUTH. Its no big deal for ME to put my foot in my mouth sometimes... but Steve Jobs and Apple? Thats a public relations disaster waiting to happen.
one-half-of-one-percent of iphone users reported problems or returned their phone for reception problems. good for them. you don't like a phone, return it. i believe that number is a little higher than other phones, but most people hold onto their iphones because it's a great product.
i'm guessing here, but there are probably far fewer people returning their iphones for interface issues than there are for other phones. the cohesiveness of the OS is part of what is selling these phones, and apple is still out in front on that one. the others are closing the gap, but apple's got a pretty huge head start.
@HateEveryBody Never said it wasn't a bitch move... It probably is. I was just saying that I never had the impression they were bitching at other companie's phones. The difference here would be they did went the wrong way but Steve's presentation was clearly not there to say other phones where crappy but to show that phone do have reception issues. Apple being Apple, they tend to attract attention quite a bit, just look at commenters here. This could also apply to other companies in fields where they are one of the major payer, if not the biggest (ie Microsoft and Vista). They were probably trying to split the attention but have use the worst method to do it.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't see this affecting them or they would've probably use some other approach for the keynote.
@Revolutionary I seriously doubt you owned an iPhone 4. I've never had any problems, and I haven't met anyone with problems either. So it really can go both ways. The Android people are always the most condescending towards the iPhone crowd, but it's never vice versa, go figure.
@peestandingup It's people like you that givbe people like Jobs the power to do whatever they want to do. Shame on you for pretending that all is well while we all know that it isn't. I bet you are one of those who will gladly accept the rubber case (which proves that the phone has antenna issues) and shut up for life!
@MysticLeviathan No, the difference is that the for the iPhone 2G, 3G, and 3Gs the biggest complaint was that it had horrible call reliability. So, Apple tried to fix it with their next iteration and failed. Other smartphone companies figured out the whole "phone call" part of the user experience a long time ago.
Yes, we indeed need proof. Nobody's having problem with the iPhone 4 antenna either, judging by the return rates (which are almost non-existent).
This PR thing is just so screwed up. Google got away with it very easily with it's faulty antenna in the Nexus One, and apparently people haven't cared much about all the other phones (including the 3GS) having attenuation problems.
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While I agree with their stances, none of these companies are providing any proof that they do not suffer from signal degradation.
@peestandingup
There's no need for proof.
There are users like us, who use these phones.
I once owned the Omnia 2, and I didn't have that sort of problem.
When I switched to the iPhone 4, bam, I was pissed off.
I returned it, and got the EVO.
I'm a happy EVO user.
@peestandingup
Did you not read? Unless you are holding your phone in such a way that it covers the bottom of the phone, the degradation doesn't exist.
Same with Iphone 4... hence the reason lefties are having such a problem.
@Revolutionary Yea, perhaps you just didn't notice it on your Omnia because you weren't listening to other people bitch about it or believing everything you hear like a sheep. Unless you were looking for trouble, you won't find it. Just like on an iPhone 4.
@peestandingup
Please remind me where Samsung said the Omnia II would have better coverage and reception than the original Omnia. That is the difference between the iPhone and any other smartphone.
@peestandingup
What I find even more interesting is that I never had the impression that Steve was trying to bash on other companies. Didn't he say that they were all good phones or something? Doesn't really matter since pointing fingers was clearly not the best move even if it's true or not.
Anyways I have a 3GS up here in canada and I've never had reception issues apart from when I was in the US. The funny thing with all of that is that technically my phone can jump from ATT to T-Mobile whenever needed and I still had reception issues in certain areas.
@GoGoGotcha : Forget lefties, as a rightie, I hold it in my left hand all the time, since it's the right hand doing all the work...
(insert "That's what she said" joke)
@peestandingup
What most people fail to understand is Apple is comparing Apple's (hehe) to Oranges. Their antenna is on the OUTSIDE of their phone, while the others are internal. By only using one finger, I can drop a call on the iPhone 4 (yes I have tried this). With these other phones, you have to basically squeeze the hell out of them while holding it awkwardly to lose signal. How is this the same thing?
Apple, you messed up, you fessed up (sort of), and have come up with a shitty conclusion (free cases?). Now how about fixing your phone? Stop pulling other phone companies into this mess with untruthful statements. I swear everything I hear about Apple these days negative, some not warranted, but it is as if they want the public to hate them, and don't care...
@Revolutionary - Yep, everyone else got the memo you don't need to put antennas on the outside for them to work. No one else drops calls at the rate of the iphone and we all have internal antennas. Grip isn't an issue for me either with the evo, unless I hold it upside down. And how exactly do you claim the iphone4 has the best antenna of all iphones when it drops more calls than the 3gs, and tons more than most other phones?
@Oskin
no sensible person did get that impression.
these are bitter nerds commenting.
@peestandingup
The proof is in the USERS - there are not a boat load of people or media sites complaining.
@Oskin
If I get fired from my job for smoking crack, is it right to start pointing out all the co-workers I know who smoke weed?
Its a bitch move.
a> If Apple gets sued over 'antennagate', then he just sent an invitation out to sue all other manufacturers
b> The problems he showed with "all cell phones" is NOT QUITE the same as what's wrong w/ the iPhone, and it's misdirection/misinformation he's using to try to deflect the criticisms
c> NO ONE is complaining about those other handsets or companies... people are focusing on the iphone (whether out of some fad-like trend or because they really do have issues, don't matter)... so Apple needs to worry about Apple (I could go one about this all day... for example, how much time was spent testing these other phones? Isnt' that more time and resource they could have put into checking out their own problem a litte more? How much money was spent to try to prove someone else's property is as bad as yours??")
d> Seriously backlash... not talking about these tit for tat comments either, I mean Jobs just opened the door for every one of these manufacturers and independent testers to start running some serious comparisons. Whats going to happen if these companies find and show proof that the iPhone has a much more serious problem and their phones have none? FOOT IN MOUTH. Its no big deal for ME to put my foot in my mouth sometimes... but Steve Jobs and Apple? Thats a public relations disaster waiting to happen.
@Revolutionary
yeah sure.
one-half-of-one-percent of iphone users reported problems or returned their phone for reception problems. good for them. you don't like a phone, return it. i believe that number is a little higher than other phones, but most people hold onto their iphones because it's a great product.
i'm guessing here, but there are probably far fewer people returning their iphones for interface issues than there are for other phones. the cohesiveness of the OS is part of what is selling these phones, and apple is still out in front on that one. the others are closing the gap, but apple's got a pretty huge head start.
@element4life3 Duh, I can use a palm and get the same thing on other phones. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVsiAhltY5I&playnext_from=TL&videos=L7mFQO49fYE
@HateEveryBody
Never said it wasn't a bitch move... It probably is. I was just saying that I never had the impression they were bitching at other companie's phones. The difference here would be they did went the wrong way but Steve's presentation was clearly not there to say other phones where crappy but to show that phone do have reception issues. Apple being Apple, they tend to attract attention quite a bit, just look at commenters here. This could also apply to other companies in fields where they are one of the major payer, if not the biggest (ie Microsoft and Vista). They were probably trying to split the attention but have use the worst method to do it.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't see this affecting them or they would've probably use some other approach for the keynote.
@Revolutionary Happy EVO user = happy to look like a clown with a giant plastic p.o.s
@Revolutionary I seriously doubt you owned an iPhone 4. I've never had any problems, and I haven't met anyone with problems either. So it really can go both ways. The Android people are always the most condescending towards the iPhone crowd, but it's never vice versa, go figure.
@peestandingup
It's people like you that givbe people like Jobs the power to do whatever they want to do. Shame on you for pretending that all is well while we all know that it isn't. I bet you are one of those who will gladly accept the rubber case (which proves that the phone has antenna issues) and shut up for life!
@MysticLeviathan No, the difference is that the for the iPhone 2G, 3G, and 3Gs the biggest complaint was that it had horrible call reliability. So, Apple tried to fix it with their next iteration and failed. Other smartphone companies figured out the whole "phone call" part of the user experience a long time ago.
@Revolutionary
Yes, we indeed need proof. Nobody's having problem with the iPhone 4 antenna either, judging by the return rates (which are almost non-existent).
This PR thing is just so screwed up. Google got away with it very easily with it's faulty antenna in the Nexus One, and apparently people haven't cared much about all the other phones (including the 3GS) having attenuation problems.
Just get over this story, please.