So,
not only did we get all those
PSP
goodies this morn from Sony's Ken Kutaragi at a hastily called press conference, but we also received official
confirmation that indeed, the
PS3 will ship
worldwide in November, delaying the Spring launch that we all expected. As recently as just a few weeks ago
Sony had staunchly denied
the delay, though, and is now laying the blame squarely at the feet of the "copyright protection" in
Sony's own Blu-ray Disc next-gen format, which is now expected to be finalized by next month. Whatevs, at this point
we'll just be happy to see ours land Stateside in time for the holidays. Mr. Kutagari also confirmed that at least some
PS3s will feature an upgradeable 60GB disk supporting the Linux OS, support a variety of TVs, and have backward
compatibility for PlayStation 1 and 2 games. Also, that
rumored HUB service was
confirmed, which will go by the working title of the PlayStation Network Platform, and will be free (the Basic version
anyway) supporting voice/video chat, messsaging, on-line shopping, and more. While an exact price for the PS3 was not
stated, a minimum price range of about $425 was announced. See, fessing to the delay wasn't so so hard now, was it
Sony? Glad you finally got it over with.
[Thanks everyone who sent this in]
posted Mar 15th 2006 7:30AM
This should be a slap in the face to all those Sony bashing idiots who simply assumed Sony would wait until 2007 for the US release. Of course nothing is concrete until it happens, but I think its pretty safe to say Sony will folow though with this. I'm kind of pissed it won't be until November but at least we aren't waiting around with nothing but really bad rumors anymore.
So......................where are the final specs, title launches and in-game videos. World wide launch sucks. I'm sure the won't be able to feed the whole world so if you want one for christmas you better book your PS3 today.
The 'Plan' is November? Plan??? Without a date given, I'm still thinking 2007.
MINIMUM price of $425? What games will be available at launch? November is 8 months away, do any developers have final dev kits yet? Has Sony released the final specs (I don't believe they have).
I'm predicting a PS2-like launch. A few titles at first, and then a drought of several months. Xbox 360 will own this Christmas even if the PS3 does get released. They needed Spring, they're not getting it, and they're going to need a miracle to deflect attention away from Microsoft.
Sony did this with the PS2 during rumor time. Differently, however, PS2 was launched in JPN in March and in the US in October (wow that seems like a long time ago). Now they announce the goodies in March and plan to launch worldwide (brave move) this Nov. I am looking forward to it, they finally ended the constant , and often ridiculous, rumors. Good job, Kutaragi! Please don't give opponents any reason to bash your rep this time (lost in translation moments, i hope).
Minimum price of 425$ ? So that would be the version without the HD , wirelles controller or the rest of the goodies. So inorder to truly buy a PS3 with all the goodies , you will need something like 600$ .
At the same time the XBOX 360 premium would be 300$ ( or more likely 299$. So basicly half the price. And the Revolution will be god knows how much cheaper.
Great marketing there.
I would pre order now, US is prob only going to receive 1/2 half a million on launch. Its Xbox 360 all over again.
Also mention was a hard drive was required to have the full benefits of the HUB. Factor that with an extra controller and 1 game and you got yourself a $600 + bill. Also lets not think its going to be early November, more like NOV 29!!!!. At this price point and Nintendo Rev also coming, Consumers are going to be real picky about thier games. If untold legends is the best we get at launch, Id rather spend my money on the new zelda, revolution, god of war 2, and Halo 3
Maybe its just me, after all it could be that im getting old, but is the 360 really seen as a sucess? To me it seems more of a "next gen 0.5" I dont mind waiting for the PS3, if it really is going to be be somthing over what we have now.
From IGN, quoted from Ken Kutaragi:
""A completely simultaneous launch is physically impossible," Kutaragi said, "but we believe we'll be able ship to users throughout the world around this time.""
Wow. first he says worldwide launch is impossible then says they 'believe' it will happen. Still pretty vague on the launch date.
He also goes on to mention that a hard drive will be required for games and developers can expect a hard drive to be present, but stops short on saying that it will be included. Again, pretty vague.
At least the announcement of a 60GB HD is good news. Microsoft won't be far behind in releasing a higher capacity model of their own. See? Competition is good!
By simultaneous release in Nov, I think Sony means within a few days of each other. CNBC had a brief segment about it this morning. Their take on the news was pretty negative.
Regardless, they have finally put a stake in the ground and will be held to it. Best of luck to them -- Lord knows they need it, badly. A big chunk of Sony's future success lies in the fortunes of the PS3 and Blu-Ray. And Sony's reason for delay -- Copy protection. For their sake, I hope they don't do something stupid like put rootkits on their games.
I bet Microsoft is enjoying this bit of news.
By simultaneous release in Nov, I think Sony means within a few days of each other. CNBC had a brief segment about it this morning. Their take on the news was pretty negative.
Regardless, they have finally put a stake in the ground and will be held to it. Best of luck to them -- Lord knows they need it, badly. A big chunk of Sony's future success lies in the fortunes of the PS3 and Blu-Ray. And Sony's reason for delay -- Copy protection. For their sake, I hope they don't do something stupid like put rootkits on their games.
I bet Microsoft is enjoying this bit of news.
The delay doesn't surprise me. Heck, i'd be shocked if it makes it out by Christmas. This is going to be a huge boon for the 360, as it will be readily available and could even see a small price drop to blunt the PS3 launch. Either that, or Microsoft keeps the current price and includes a HD-DVD drive.
The $425 launch price sounds about right considering how much new technology is included (i.e. Cell Processor, Blu-Ray drive). Sony is also going to lose a lot more money on these things than Microsoft.
I'm betting we'll see a simulatenous launch in the US and Japan in November, but the console will be even tougher to get than a 360 during launch. Lots of gamers will probably cave and get a 360 instead.
The launch titles will probably be pretty weak, too, considering the fact that few (if any) developers have final dev kits.
I also love the "copy protection" excuse. The real issue is hardware production. The Cell is a brand new chip, so yields won't be as high as they would with other chips. Since Blu-Ray drives are new, those will almost certainly take longer to manufacture than a DVD or HD-DVD drive.
I'm betting that the launch lineup will be as anemic as the Sega Saturn's was. It had 6 titles at launch and that's all it had for months afterward... all because Sega rushed the thing out the door. We know who won the 32-bit console wars. Could the tide be shifting?
Either way, the new console war will be the most interesting yet. I think Microsoft will give Sony a run for it's money in every territory except Japan.
A few random thoughts:
1) With regards to launch dates, anyone remember the PSP launch in Europe? First it was meant to be at the same time as America then, a few weeks before that date, it was delayed for a few months. We ended up getting it six months later than the US so I wouldn't bank on Sony delivering the PS3 until the units are confirmed as shipping.
2) Price is going to be a big issue if that minimum of $425 dollars is anywhere close to accurate. If Sony do their usual dollars to pounds less a small random number conversion it's going to be at least 100 more expensive that the 360, and that's if MS don't drop the price of the Premium pack.
3) 60Gb ain't enough. Wait, hold on, hear me out. Sony intend this thing to be a media centre in and of itself and that 60Gb is going to get eaten up awfuly quickly between movies, music and demo downloads, let alone retro games purchased over HUB. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a MUCH larger HDD available at launch and a HD-free SKU for those that intend to use the PS3 as a media centre. For that matter, wonder what the odds are on the HD not being able to act as a memory card? I know, sounds stupid, but wouldn't it have a huge impact on MagicStick sales?
4) Anyone want to hazzard a guess at home many faulty units turn up in the launch batch? Blue-ray drive with two lasers (if it's going to read PS1 and 2 media), HDD, Cell processor, Nvidia GPU... that's not only going to generate a load of heat but also have serious potential for the first batch of what is essentialy all new tech to be seriously broken. Hope it doesn't happen but...
5) Having to delay PS3 until November means that, realisticly, it's going to be March 07 before there's any real stock sitting on shelves for more than a couple of hours. Wonder what that does to Blu-Ray sales? Surely must give HD-DVD a bit of a boost if the major channel for making Blu-Ray available to the home is going to be six months late?
6) One other thing, this HDD, where's it going to go? If they're keeping the same case design there doesn't seem to be any external dock for it and if it's user replaceable it either needs one or an internal bay that's easily accessible. If it's the internal option then where the heck do you fit it in a case that's already carrying a huge number of ports and hardware?
i bet they have all the componets all made and ready to be put together and stored in some warehouse and all they are waiting on is the blueray drive so all they have to do is put the system together.
Can you clear somthing up. Is there truth in the romours about a remake for Final Fantasy 7 on the PS3?
OMAC:
That sentence makes sense to me. He's saying they can't release worldwide "completely simulataneous[ly]." Which likely means launching on or around the same day in Japan, US, UK. However, "around this time" likely means something similar to Microsoft's launch of the 360, e.g. each region's launch within two to four weeks of each other.
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too expensive. Thanks but I'll pass. The PSP on the other hand has finally dropped to a reasonable price. Personally I would like to see $199 + 1 free game which might be possible if I look around. Still PSP + at least 1GB MS + warrantee (It's a mobile system after all.) = still a hell of a lot of money.
Does anyone else think that the PS3 bears a striking resemblance to the George Foreman grill? The console market's next killer app.
Hmmm, since Sony has time till the release maybe they will revamp the specs of the PS3 to make it a much, much more powerful system than the 360.
"Revised Release Plan"
Ha! That's the funniest spin i've seen in a while. Well, i guess it sounds better than "everything we told you before is a lie."
Sounds like a delay for Japan, but certainly right on time from what most ppl were thinking for the US release, and much earlier than expected for the European release (since most were expecting an 07' release for Europe).
I'm assuming that the PS3 will be released competively with the X360 premium bundle at launch.
I never for an instant thought that the PS3 would be available for the US this spring; I knew it would be released for the US towards the end of this year. Won't the XBOX 360 have HD-DVD available, have more next gen games available, have a better (and proven) online service, cost less $ (and may even have a price drop), and be readily available by November? This is becoming less and less of a decision to wait for Sony every day.
Any rational-thinking person can see that the whole Blu-Ray copyright protection excuse was just that... an excuse. If THAT was the only think holding up the PS3 release, where are the announcements for specific launch titles? Surely game developers didn't know until recently about the delay so they would've been ready for the planned Spring launch.
If it was only the Blu-Ray issue, why no firm statement on the price? Didn't they have that all planned out for the Spring launch?
I call BS. What probably happened is Sony knew all along that they wouldn't make the Spring date but were forced to disclose it now because some downstream contractor (print media, trinkets, etc.) or promoter didn't receive the necessary master material from Sony and would've uncovered the story on their own.
All of the following is just pure speculation on my part, but I think this is a blessing in disguise for Sony. It will give them time to resolve their hardware issues and wait for the Blu-Ray drive production to get cheaper (hopefully).
Honestly, Xbox 360 hasn't really done much to take away a big chunk of the market, with their production issues and lack of games (as of yet). I know Live is important to them, but it seems like people play Live Arcade games more than they play the actual 360 games.
Also, to me personally, 360 is exactly the same as Xbox except with improved graphics. C'mon MS, where is the innovative, exciting gameplay we're looking for?
If anything, 360 will suffer some of the problems that Dreamcast did before PS2 came out. People will know that PS3 is coming soon, so in August and September, will they really buy a 360? MS had better lower prices by then or have a good bundle package. But we're already in April almost and MS still hasn't resolved all of the production issues. So they'd better get that together soon.
I think Nintendo is waiting around to drop the bomb. I'll bet that the hardware is ready. They're spending the time making the quality first-party games that they're known for. The price tag for the Revolution is rumored to be around $200. And they have their innovative controller. So when November comes around, with 360 only being able to offer a new game or lower prices and Sony coming out with PS3 at at hefty $500 price tag, enter Revolution with a $200 price with Zelda, Super Smash Bros, and possibly a Mario game, all being launched.
I just want to end by saying that all of this is exciting for us consumers because we have a lot of choices coming...
"Hmmm, since Sony has time till the release maybe they will revamp the specs of the PS3 to make it a much, much more powerful system than the 360."
Then send developers all-new dev kits? Right. That wouldn't cause a huger delay at all.
Sony fanboys that were still screaming "Spring 2006" and "Spring doesn't end until June" and "They'll release it in time for sure" blah blah blah are officially owned by Sony & Kutagari.
Now Sony needs a working model to show off, but seeing as the graphics aren't that much better than the Xbox 360 (according to those that have "seen" it) maybe they should just retain the hype by not letting anyone see it until they've (pre)-ordered one and it's been delivered.
"People will know that PS3 is coming soon, so in August and September, will they really buy a 360?"
I don't get this... what people? And what if they want a 360? If you're talking about Sony fanboys then OF COURSE they're not going to buy a 360!
So, 6 million units by the end of the Sony fiscal year. That's what, a supposed 2-3 million available at launch? Hmmm, sounds like the supposed failed 360 launch to me(expensive console, hard to find, huge eBay market, somewhat dissapointing launch lineup, feels like gen 1.5) I mean, they won't be able to make enough consoles to meet demand. If they dilute those console numbers for a worldwide launch that's not even 1 million per territory. I'm sure eBay is excited about this prospect, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the PS3 shortage is going to drive Xbox 360 sales through the roof.
Sweet, just in time for xmas. I'll take 20, please. This'll be another ebay clean up like the launch of the last one. I made out like a bandit in 2000.
It doesn't sound to me like this hurts Sony at all. Now everybody knows when the PS3 is coming and they'll just wait for it, just like they did with the PS2. November was the expected US date anyway - this is only a delay for Japan, and the Japanese aren't gonna be snatching up any 360's in the meantime (I mean, come on).
It's going to be harder for them logistically to do a worldwide launch, but as I said in my comment on Joystiq, they've literally been sitting twiddling their thumbs for 3 months now waiting for AACS to be worked out and now they've got another 6-8 months to ramp up production. So they've given themselves basically a full year after the original production start date to get ready for this. They should be fine.
Which is not to say there won't be shortages - there will be. But it probably won't be any worse than the wait there was for the PS2, which was replenished pretty regularly after launch (I got my system the week after).
The world's gone mad.
Just because Microsoft have released the XBox360 already doesn't mean that Sony are duty bound to tell everyone exactly what is happening and when it will happen. When a new Nokia is released, Motorola don't instantly have to release information on their next phone.
And, even now, further presumptions and rumors are already flying. How on earth can you predict that it will release with only .5 million in the US?
To my mind, Sony did the right thing by not being badgered into providing information and "solid" details until they were ready. They can judge the success of the 360 and its components and see where to go from there and include new features and upgrades as appropriate.
If they had responded to the fools who demanded information on the very day that the 360 was launched and they had pushed for an early release date then the PS3 wouldn't have the PNP Hub service, it probably wouldn't have a hard drive and it would be stuck with some crappy alternative to Blu-Ray. But, hell, you'd have been happy because they would have at least told you so, right?
Personally I think the 360 has been a resounding flop. It doesn't live up to expectations that were set by the media hype and Microsoft themselves. The Revolution looks like it will, in all honesty, be damn good. It will have a lower price tag and Nintendo rarely struggles for popular and innovative games and hardware but by their own admission it will be aimed at a different market to the 360 and the PS3. That leaves the ball firmly planted in Sony's court. If they come up with the goods they will (again) stuff Microsoft in the console wars.
There are plenty of people who are already eagerly awaiting Blu Ray and, as mentioned, the PS3 offers probably the most realistic way to get in on the act at a time when the production of the Blu Ray drives will have dropped. I also reckon that Sony have a few surprise salvos ready to launch nearer the time that will make it a far superior machine to the 360.
Finally they tell us what we already knew: It won't be released until the end of this year. Oh well, at least the price will drop and they will have time to develop some new gadgets for it and work out some more bugs.
I BET RIGHT.......
The delay in launch is to make sure plenty of units are available and it will be end Nov to enure a full extra 28 days of manufacturing of the unit. It will be expensive very, micorsoft could benefit from lowering the 360 but will always be shown as a poor mans PS3. Nitendo will launch before with lots of units available and truly some aswome line up's for launch and will conqure 360's reign so far.
Why are all in house Nintendo games the best? Cos its dedicated, and thats what needs to happen to PS3 to gin 100% controll of the market!!!!!!
Aint it true... prove it aint !!!!!!
Simply to poke at the pro-X360 crowd -- In the US, the PS2, yes the PS2 is outselling X360 by 2:1. Worldwide, PS2 outsells X360 about 3:1. (what will this mean for the PS3 launch? who knows, but we'll see & then everybody can quit kvetching about X360 vs PS3)
So detract about the PS3 all you like, but Sony has taken their time & in this case, it may just pay off that they release the PS3 post-X360.
Also of note, the old XBox has recently enjoyed a price hike (here, but maybe not where you are)... take that info as you may, but that's definitely a Microsoft classic tactic... and it works my nerves when they do that.
I guess they needed time to put all the rootkits in there...
(And before anyone takes the time to respond, no, I won't drop it)
So if the PS3 is going to use a Blue Ray Drive, and Blue Ray can only be outputted through HDMI interface (well at least, the HD Movies), then you would absolutely need an HDTV with HDMI input. So therefore, if you bought an older HDTV with only component video, you're screwed, not to mention you can't play anything on a regular TV set!
I agree that the 360 may not feel that it's up to all the hype that surrounded it, but what is this "new innovation" everyone is referring to? Besides connecting your brain directly to a console, what is next gen besides graphics, really? The graphics of the 360 on an HDTV are awesome (have you played Fight Night??!!!), not to mention the new Ghost Recon. Imagine what another year of development in games will bring to the system? And you can play on any TV!!
It was an apology more than an announcement.
As long as it makes it for the holiday release time is not a problem. 1up stated has their article updated saying its set for ~10th nov. This gives some time for Sony to get the hdmi connections worked out.
They did not give any specs or even hints to the price. With good reason there are few events coming up they need to save something to throw out there.
First gen ps3 should not expect stunning visuals since developers dont have time to develop for the new architecture. Similar in the sense of the Xbox it seems more a .5 console until developers start utilizing console to potentials. Something Nintendo doesnt need to worry about.
Nothing bad can come from options to the consumer. If MS wasnt competing against Sony's giant they wouldnt take a hit on their console and jack up the price another 100-150$.
It should be in the 400-500 range. Thats about same as a future proofed xbox.(which, in my opinion is a hit to Microsoft when a year or 2 down the line 1/2 of your games cant be played or ports cant be made to available to 1/2 the audience) Xbox +hd +wireless controller +next gen optics = ~450. Nintendo has a has always been a peripheral wh*re. Dont expect your console to be able to play everything you want without some miscellaneous cables, adapters, controller add-ons, potentially even the DS.
Hmm, an optional 60 GB hard drive... oh boy, it seems yet another home videogame console is turning into a computer.
And $425 MINIMUM? lol. Color me unsurprised. That's hilarious. I hope it costs $500 dollars just to get the "real" PS3 the way it cost $400 just to get the "real" Xbox 360. Can't wait to see the look on the face of all those PS3 diehards. I can hear the excuses already... "Yeah but it's also a blu-ray player!" That won't mean much of anything if Sony loses the next-gen media format war to HD-DVD the way their Betamax format lost out to VHS.... unless you get excited about buying Sony media in their incredibly expensive proprietary format (*cough*, PSP and its UMD movies). Which if you're a Sony fan, maybe you do. *shrug*
If all they're waiting for is finalization of the Blu-ray DRM specs, why are they waiting until May to send out the final controller dev kits? And the Cell chips? And the graphics chips? Surely the controller doesn't have DRM issues.
The *entire* system is delayed. DRM is just an excuse. It also means developers won't be spending the extra months polishing and fine-tuning their games. They'll still be scrambling until November, just as they do for every system launch.
As for Blu-ray requiring HDMI, that's not true. Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) can output HD over HDMI, DVI and component connections. The only catch is AACS's Image Constraint Token (ICT), which, if enabled, forces non-HDCP connections to drop to 540p (better than DVD, but not by much). Studios can enable ICT on a disc by disc basis. Sony, Fox and others have indicated they would not to enable ICT on launch titles and older films.
Simple reason -XMas time people will shop for new electronics and why not buy the new PS3. 360 is so 2005.
By the way,Anybody saw the in-game screenshots of Untold Legends for the PS3. They have them on the Gaming Age site. I thought they made a mistake and they were using shots of a version for the PS2. The graphics are that bad for a next-gen title for the PS3. If Sony can not master the graphics chip on the PS3, what can we expect from other game makers.
By the way, anybody saw the in-game screenshots of Untold Legends for the PS3. They have them on the Gaming Age site. I thought they made a mistake and they were using shots of a version for the PS2. The graphics are that bad for a next-gen title for the PS3. If Sony can not master the graphics chip on the PS3, what can we expect from other game makers.
I'm kind of in a rush here, finishing up my lunch break, but I noticed this in the Inquirer's article:
"It will have full Blu-ray support and a HDMI connection. It is for this reason that the PS3 has been delayed, as Sony cant get it to work properly."
This "delay over copy protection" may have more to do with HDMI rather than AACS. I seem to remember a recent article commenting on a player or standard coming out that won't drop the signal for people with older HDTVs lacking HDMI, and perhaps this is the what Sony's mulling over.
OMG people! This is SONY!!!! Don't believe a word they say!!!! Sony is just trying to get in your pants, by telling EVERYTHING you WANT to hear. "Yeah baby, I'm going to call -- don't worry". Whatever! This is a hardware issue, plain and simple. There's some problem with Blu-Ray,or the Cell chip, or Both, and it's kicking them in the ass -- and rightfully so.
Please don't waste your time "pining away" for a system that not going to be available to us until Spring of 2007, at the earliest. As for this announcement being a "Slap in the face". I KNOW Sony (and you should too by now) -- I'd rather be slapped in the face, than have egg on it.
In reference to #44 --
The same you said about Sony can be said about MS... let's not act like one is actually better or more honest than the other.
Remember when $425 got you a brand new videogame system with two controllers, three games, some Mountain Dew, and all the extra dongles you needed?
Man, just imagine the summer time, people are going to be goin crazy wanting to know more and more details about the PS3. And i guarentee! that much more consumers are going to get the X360 now because they dont want to be empty handed over the summer without a new console.
Another thing that sucks about the delay, are Senior students that are about to grauduate, i know it isnt a big deal but im a senior right now, and im going to college, and im thinkin that I wont be able to have anytime or maybe even money by the time the PS3 comes out. Its just another fact that Sony is missing out and how they may either loose a lot of consumers or just gain more anticipated angry consumers.
Some stake in the ground. What if October rolls around and they delay it again? They've already done it once. Then again Sony may be bankrupt by then and out of business (nearly every other aspect of their company is in dire straits) Entirely possible.
"PS3RULEZ" requires medication.
See comment #46 for proof.
A bit o' humor -> I think if Sony truly wants to dominate the console market, they should drop the "PlayStation" name altogether -- go with the CN3... the Chuck Norris 3 game console... roundhouse kicks not included.
Well, this is news.. Kinda.. Where are the specifics? All we have is a suppposed launch date which is exactly what Sony gave us months ago when they said "Spring 06". I call BS on the "copyright protection" delay.. If this was really the delay then there would be plenty of games in development and numeours PS3 development kits available.
As for pricing, I would expect "the premium" PS3 to cost between $500 and $600 (most likely somewhere in the middle).
Not sure if any of you read text of the Sony announcement today, but Sony did confirm that all of the games will be on Blu-Ray (DRM) vs. having the first batch on DVD. So, if you do not have a TV that supports HDMI (some older HD sets only supported DVI or Component cabling), you are out of luck it seems (if you want to watch the games in 720p or 1080i).
As for console availablity, if you live in the US and expect to get one of these for Christmas you will have three choices. Reserve one NOW (and that does not guarentee that you will get one in Nov/Dec either), wait in line and hope to get lucky, buy one on Ebay for $1500+... You know Sony will make these more readily available in Japan and then US, and then the Europeans will get the scraps... So all those Sony fanboys who bashed Microsoft and how they handled their worldwide release of the 360 are going to get the exact same release for the PS3..
The other issue that I see is game availability. It is reported that there will be anywhere from 6 to 15 games available on release this holiday season compared to about 48+ for the 360... If the Nintendo Revolution comes out with some hot games initially, the PS3 could be in trouble out of the gate just do to the most important aspect of buying a console. Its games...
WOW!! I cant believe this, people fighting over consoles. Dont you people have anything better to do then fighting and praising one system (when in truth both systems will be successful and be equal in most respects). Is all this fighting proving anything? I think not. Now to the people that are just saying stuff and not bashing others, this messege of mine doesn't apply to you. To the others i'd say you got to grow up and find a life.
few thoughts, by pass this comment if you are more interested in writing "fan boy" all the time and wasting peoples time when reading forums.
any one here think they should consider upgrading some of the proposed guts of the ps3, including graphs chip, other wise that rsx stuff they talked about at E3 will be 1 and a half years old by the time we see it. Is this something people should be concerned with.
if pc graphics cards are anything to go by, then is the nvidia chip gona be out dated by then (just a thought from some one who was playin far cry on the pc about a year ago at 1240 x 1080 or wat ever it is, and far cry with the new shader model about 6 months ago, which looks stunning).
recon im gona get a 360 now (graw looking prety dam good at mo) and then get a ps3 next year. unless they turn round and anounce another release date.
i agree with what people are saying about a crap excuse though, copy right my ass, wheres all the sh*t hot non pre rendered kill zone style stuff that game developers would have had for a "spring launch". I got well sucked in to the hype, even had that ps3 toolbar rubish. probably not there fault but they had hardly any info on it, wonder why.
I want both systems, so dont give it all the fan boy crap. I didnt think much of my mates xbox360 when he bought one at christmas, but that was with all them rushed games. things are looking quite good for it now.
Seen as though the two systems are gona be a year apart, why dont all you anoying spolied kids stop bitchin about who is gona have the best console. Maybe you will have a job by the time the ps3 comes out and you can get both. (comments im refering to are on all sites by the way, no affence to this one)
3 quick points:
1. Why does anyone care how many games are available for a console? Are you going to buy all of them at once? It should be about how many QUALITY games are available. All you really need for a console launch is 1 or 2 QUALITY titles. Give me Madden and GTA in November at launch and I'll be set for 6 months.
2. In that same regard...how long until Gates announces HALO 3 is being released in November...
3. Personally...I think later is better...we as consumers should dictate when a console life cycle is supposed to end and not game companies. Soon they're going to be selling us "next next gen" consoles every 3 years. I can just see a damn video game clerk asking me if I want to pre-order by XBOX720 when I pick up my PS3. I feel like Nintendo is the only company that really needs to get a new console out right now.
#55
Umm. I don't know maybe some people like variety with their games? Maybe some people don't feel like dropping $600+ dollars just to play Madden 07? Maybe some people finish a game in a few weeks and don't feel like putting their $500 gaming system on the shelf for 3 months waiting for the next decent game release..
All the indications are that "Gears Of War" will be the big game for the 360 in 06 (and rightfully so) and that Halo 3 will come out in early 07.. Maybe we will find out at E3.. All I know is that there are some great FPS games coming out (Ghost Recon is AWESOME on the 360!) and I think Gears Of War may be on par with Halo based on the screenshots and trailors I have seen...
I would be more than happy to buy a new console every 3 years. Let's face it, technology changes too quickly and five years is too long for a console to last in my book. I am not a huge PC gamer since I own a Mac and they are just not made for gaming, so I say bring on a new console every 3 years! I would like to see the consoles stay under the $500 mark, but time will tell...
"Remember when $425 got you a brand new videogame system with two controllers, three games, some Mountain Dew, and all the extra dongles you needed?"
I remember when I could see an saturday matinee movie with a pop, popcorn and candy for under $5. It's called inflation.
In todays dollars a console would cost:
Atari VCS $811
NES $350
SEGA Genesis $389
NeoGeo $1041
I second #17.
#54. Telling by your name can you tell me what are some good games that are comming out for ps3? I'm new to this so can you please tell me because you seem like you would probably know.
"54. GODDAMN IT, i do NOT take my medication and do NOT require it to. Face it you're just another MICRO$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$44OFT FAONBOY who wants to blow Bill Gaites and sing "I LOVE WINDOW$$$$$"
Here are the reasons the PS3 will destroy all challengers including Micoro$$$oft, Nintendick, and all others:
1. cell processoer will give it artificial intelligence and ability to make its own games, thats right it will make up new games while it is running
2. bluray will replace TIVO, VCR, DVD, Laser-Disk, tape caseettes, etc. You will be able to store your entire movie collection on the ps3 with a hidden internal hard drive
3. the games will be so immersive and awesome that you willbe able to have sex with in them and feel it (maybe with special controller)
4. it will be better than anything Micro$$$$$$$$oft and Ninentdohhhh come up with for th enext five years maybe longer
15. so powerful it replaces peoples desktop computers and families will buy five or six ps3s causing massive profits THE FIRST YEAR
I know you micros$$$$$$$$oft fans can't handle it but this is all a given, I will be hear laughing and gloating when it happens HA HA AH HA HA HA HA HAHAHAH HA"
Jeff K, is that you?
well whoopdie bang. PS3RULEZ:
you are hilarious.
"You ARe AlL RETArdZORZ, I KNOW EVRUhTING!! IM LIKWE DA CFO fOr Deys IntANaTIOnal C0nzole! distrIBUTTon. AnD PS3 Will GIBVe Yuz a BLOWS JOrzB!!! Twice!!!
Evruh DAYzzz!!!! ItsS GonnaA DevElop iTS OwnGMAzes And Eat PrOGRammAZ aND shiT out NeW CEll Procezorz!!!
Whooptie bang!!!"
you broke my sarchasm meter.
#1: Sure, i won't belive until i see it. This is from the wonderful world of Sony. AKA; lies, lies, and more lies.
#47: whoa! lay down the sugar, asshole., you actually type like a 3-year old. I mean really, who write "rulez" to stand out of the crow these days?,certainly not cool people with an active brain. You should not be allow near a computer.
#54: NEWS ALERT! PS3RULEZ IS CrAZeE!!!@*&^+?%
Now, I'm trying to process and interpret your post in a intelligent non-violent way, but to be honest i just can't stop laughting at your idiotic posts.
So, you have contacts all over Sony, heh? well then tell us, who's the contract manufacturer for the PS3?,, what's the name of the company across the street from Sony's Tokyo headquaters?, who's Ken's favorite piece of Hollywood ass?, Does Sir Howard wears a hair piece? is it true Qrio wanted out of Sony to be in the upcoming Buck Rogers movie? did AIBO ran off to be Paris Hilton's pouch., What is 1+1? Already know, i just want to confirm we are both getting the same level of information leakage.
What a little Asshole.
Am I the only one worried about the copyright protection? I heard that when you get a game for the PS3 that it will in encode something onto the game. Making it usable only on your PS3. Is this true?
Come on you got to be excited, apparently this is going to be much better a twice as fast as the xbox 360, the 360 will be nothing on the PS3,
i like poking beehives for a good cause, so here goes...
(yeah, the numbers change, but it doesn't matter)
#25:
>"Honestly, Xbox 360 hasn't really done much to take away a big chunk of the market, with their production issues and lack of games (as of yet)."
what market?... the console market as a whole? microsoft came into the game late... later than any modern producer of consoles... and they have similar types of numbers that sony did when the playstation was fresh off the turnip truck. hating on microsoft for their current market share is like blasting a marathon runner for being in second place even though he didn't start until 4 hours after the leader.
but if you were referring to the next-gen market... i'd say microsoft pretty much owns the block by default, no? pretty hard not to be #1 when the competition hasn't showed up yet.
>"I know Live is important to them, but it seems like people play Live Arcade games more than they play the actual 360 games."
you should go check some stats on how many hits xbox live gets from halo 2 each week by itself... trust me, microsoft isn't wetting their pants about the success of arcade games. i'm pretty sure they didn't get a few million people to subscribe to xbl's "gold" level of service by promising them backgammon and marble madness.
>"Also, to me personally, 360 is exactly the same as Xbox except with improved graphics. C'mon MS, where is the innovative, exciting gameplay we're looking for?"
i guess you're entitled to an opinion, but since it's quite obvious you don't own a 360... or a high-def tv... let me set the record straight--anybody who believes this isn't next-gen is just crying because they can't experience it the way they truly want to. yeah, they made the graphics better... a LOT better... but i'm not sure your "innovative, exciting gameplay" comment is even relevant. after all, you probably haven't actually played burnout revenge, graw, pgr3, nfs:mw, or condemned yet... so how could you possibly know innovation when you saw it? if you have, then i apologize... but i still gotta wonder--what the hell is ps3 gonna do that's so much better and makes their system "true next-gen"? downloadable game demos, trailers, arcade games, media-center integration, custom music in-game via streaming mp3s from your desktop computer, unified online experience, and plenty of other features... oh, yeah--and HIGH-DEF... sony has 8 months to do better, and the clock is ticking.
#29:
>"Hmmm, sounds like the supposed failed 360 launch to me(expensive console, hard to find, huge eBay market, somewhat dissapointing launch lineup, feels like gen 1.5) I mean, they won't be able to make enough consoles to meet demand."
so if ford releases a new 2006 'Blah', and it's expensive, hard to find, has an unusually high re-sale value, and in your opinion isn't all that great... then that makes it completely logical to call it a 2005.5 'Blah'? perfect.
#32:
>"That leaves the ball firmly planted in Sony's court. If they come up with the goods they will (again) stuff Microsoft in the console wars."
so now the 360 is a 'resounding flop'. i guess it really hurts your fanboy feelings to note that the original xbox was released at a time when sony hardly had any competition... and yet they still ate into sony's market share more than nintendo ever has. i'm pretty sure even bill himself didn't expect to release the xbox and immediately destroy the playstation empire. as a matter of fact, i think we're all pretty sure he was just looking forward to the 360. rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were sony's rootkits (look, just because i use lots of logic doesn't mean i can't ignore it when i want to).
#38:
>"...(which, in my opinion is a hit to Microsoft when a year or 2 down the line 1/2 of your games cant be played or ports cant be made to available to 1/2 the audience)..."
you are aware that sony will be using emulation to support their old games as well, aren't you? don't bet on all those old ps1/ps2 games working either. anybody who ever thought the xbox was slated to have an 8 year life like the ps2... was off their rocker. MS wanted to compete with sony... now they are... sorry they didn't ask your permission first. all companies the size of MS or sony like to make money, you know. besides, just pull out your damn xbox/ps1/ps2 to play your old games if you're really that attached to them. kataguri was the one that said people should work overtime to make sure they can get their ps3. these new systems should last a while, since they have so many features to extend their lifespan. i'd advise you to go ahead and get over it, though.
#41:
>"Simple reason -XMas time people will shop for new electronics and why not buy the new PS3. 360 is so 2005."
and ps2 is soooooo... umm... umm... when was that thing released again? ;)
#56:
>"In that same regard...how long until Gates announces HALO 3 is being released in November..."
any moment now...
>"...we as consumers should dictate when a console life cycle is supposed to end and not game companies."
why else do you think that sony didn't drop the ps3 2 years ago? the ps2 is still selling like hotcakes... the only reason you'll ever get a ps3 at all is because microsoft is giving sony a reason to innovate. and by the way, consumers DO dictate when a console's life cycle expires... because sales slow down and people aren't as interested. if by 'we as consumers' you meant 'i as a consumer', then i understand your point. too bad one person can't make those decisions.
>"Soon they're going to be selling us "next next gen" consoles every 3 years. I can just see a damn video game clerk asking me if I want to pre-order by XBOX720 when I pick up my PS3."
not sure if your 'every 3 years' comment was overly dramatic or what, but i think the ps2 has made it at least twice that long, and i'm sure the xbox will hit their 5th complete year without losing much support.
besides, if you really hate buying them, then quit buying them.
kinda cool how people bitch about upgrades or new systems, and yet they speak about how there are 'no new features', 'nothing next-gen' about new systems.
if nothing's ever really any better, why do those people want a new system so badly?
answer: because it's always substantially better than the last. and that goes for any brand.
that is all. :P
(and may God have mercy on your soul for even bothering to read all of it.)
i look at it like this. no fanboy in it just how i see it as a consumer. i am upset at the inability to get hold of a 360. but that i expected from day one. i can get one right now and hgave it in my home in 3 days not a problem. i am a full gamer, online evrytrhing. pc and console. the pricew of the 360 is already at the end of my pricerange and thats for the premium with a couple gam,es as i got. i love the 360 and fn3 really shows the graphic power of the 360.
now i was waiting to get a ps3. i am gamer and i must have all consoles. i am gettung the revolution as my wife only plays nintendo. i see that 425 proce as a joke guys. theres no way 425 includes all the extras. most analysts expect 500 - 700. i think 600 will be fair guess at this point. thatsw full extras as i wil get. thats befor games. i don;t see all these parents or gamers spending 600+ on a system. i think most gamers will get the core version of the ps3 and that will hurt them. i am thinking bout just getting the bare minimal fiorst and buy the extras later so i can buy some games. my point is i feel that none of us will relaly see a ps3 befor 2007 and we won;t be getting 6 games when we buy the system like i did wit the ps2. so much power but where are all of us going to get all this money?
and to say the 360 is not next gen means u don;t own one or play one regualry. i have nevr had a problem with it and i love the games i got and can;t wait for the next games about to come out.
uh i doin;t know where u heard the ps3 will be twice as dfast as the 360 but thats not true. and if the specs are right from sony the ps3 will be marginally faster and gamers won;t notice till say 3-4 years as most developers have not been able to unlock all that power. so as time goes u will see games get so much better.
next if u want to compare power look at ps2 vs xbox. xbox crushed ps2, anyone who had both knows what i am saying about and the specs are avilibl;e. the xbox was way straonger but ps2 won the last gen. right now no ps3 have been made. until u buy one don;t judge and u better look at the specs befor u pay 900 for soething thats slightly faster than a system u could hjave paid half for.
This is not only a blow for the PS3 but for Blu-Ray as well. Without the PS3, Blu-Ray adoption may struggle. Witness movie studios suddenly adopting HD DVD, after saying we're only supporting Blu-Ray.
This may give HD DVD a foothold in the market.
I guess I'll ramble in my 2 cents in too...
Whether it is $425 or more, lets look at the big picture people. Sony is trying to put out two cutting (bleeding even) edge pieces of technology (in one component) for under a G. DVDs were commercially available for years before a DVD based game came out on PS2 or XB. Do you have blu-ray discs (movies, games or home-made) at home? A retail blu-ray player alone will still probably be at least $800 by the holidays, but it cannot play games like the PS3 can (or even connect to your network).
And like I said, the PS3 figures to be a true next gen system, not a PS 2.5 (sorry XB fans, I'll be fair. XB 360 is nice, but only so much HD next gen data can fit on a DVD! That's why TW2006 and other sports titles reeks compared to their XB 1 counterparts version (only 6 courses? WTF?). EA sacrificed fun for graphics, and then decided to charge you $60 for it. PS3 don't need any DVD based games. Please, oh please no. I'll buy PS2 games in that case (like God of War 2). If only 360 owners could buy XB1 games. My condolences you guys). Speaking of the software, PS3 games and movies are what you prospective PS3 owners on shoestring budgets should be worried about. Movies with an MSRP of at least $30 and games at least $60? A lot more of you may be buying their games and movies used (if not rented) for those prices.
All in all, Sony is pretty ambitious with this PS3 project (hand clapping). They are loosing a lot of money with this thing but with the buzz that's going, advertising costs shouldn't be a problem. If they deliver on the blu-ray technology and game visuals/game play that Sony games are known for (sorry XB fans), it's a wrap and we're not even considering the extras (possible user tweaks with a Linux OS. Really, is Sony trying to open the PS3 up and make it mod friendly?)
I personally hope that Sony don't go higher than $650 because I do have responsibilities (I have to feed and clothe myself and an IRA to put money in), but if Sony does deliver on their promises, Microsoft will have trouble on their hands and may end up partnering with someone (Samsung? NEC? _______?) to bring out XB ______ in 2008 (sorry XB fans; hey, I could be wrong). The value of the PS3 is really undeniable and MSFT is still holding their breath to see if Sony's PS3 will put XB 360 to sleep.
A few of the guys I know in the industry HAVE the dev kits, and have had them since December, but they said it wasn't the easiest to work with. I gotta admit, finalizing a date to launch in November isn't going to do Sony much good. Either way, I'll be calling my Gamestop to see if I can reserve one or not.
Its worth it. People complaining about the huge price, have fun buying a blu-ray/hddvd player apart.
sir waiting for launch in india