Ten years of TiVo: how far we haven't come
We'll be totally honest here: we love TiVo. TiVo DVRs of every vintage are scattered throughout the Engadget editorial ranks, and Series3 units are our preferred hardware for HD Netflix streaming and Amazon's nascent HD Video on Demand service. And, well, using a TiVo is just fun in a way that no other DVR ever is -- those booping noises still provoke smiles all around.
But here's the thing: it's been ten years since TiVo first introduced the Philips-built HDR110 at NAB, and while the company's name has since become synonymous with time-shifted digital video recording, it's not because its products have achieved runaway success. In fact, it's the exact opposite: most consumers choose to get by with awful cable- or satellite-company DVRs, and TiVo's only just barely pulled a full year of profitability, two factors that have kept it firmly on deathwatch since 2005. Not only that, but while TiVo might have pushed the DVR into the mainstream, it hasn't meaningfully innovated since -- apart from HD output and the aforementioned streaming services, you'd be hard-pressed to tell a brand-new TiVo HD from an original unit by using it for five minutes. Worse, the entire DVR category's essentially remained stagnant as well -- one study found that the average DVR-enabled family records just 15-20 percent of the TV they watch, a startlingly low number by any measure.
So look -- it's not working, guys. We're happy that Comcast is now offering the TiVo interface in certain markets as a paid option, and we'll be pleased as punch when those long-promised new DirecTiVo units ship out, but the simple fact of the matter is TiVo can't continue to rely on the same strategies and ideas that haven't worked for the past ten years. What TiVo needs is a new plan -- and we've got five simple ideas that might help kickstart the company and the DVR market for the next ten years. Read on for more.
1. Embrace the computer within
Sure, the DVR is supposed to be an "appliance." And there's nothing wrong with letting things operate that way in general. But in reality you're shipping a custom Linux rig with dedicated HD video hardware, Ethernet, and external storage support -- the possibilities are endless. It's great that you've built a YouTube implementation, but a basic browser with Flash video support should have been part of the stock install for years now. The DVR that can also play Hulu without any hassles -- instant hit product. Local network streaming? It's great that it's partially supported, but half-assed codec support doesn't cut it anymore. Make your box play everything, no questions asked. People with TiVos shouldn't be tempted by a media streamer ever again.
The same goes for getting video out and onto portable devices -- you're being totally shown up by open-source projects like iTiVo and pyTiVo. TiVo Desktop Plus shouldn't be an afterthought your customers have to pay extra for -- it should be the defining feature of your product. Record a show, have it on your phone the next morning to watch on the train -- no cable company can compete with that. Mix in a little Slingbox-like placeshifting and gadget nerds will be beating down your door with $12.95 monthly subscription fees.
Can't do it, the networks and cable companies won't let us? Stop crying and point them in the direction of any decent Media Center PC, which can do all of this and more, and even do it with your interface. No excuses.
2. Put a little QWERTY in the peanut
The peanut remote is arguably one of the most iconic pieces of home theater gear ever designed. It feels great in the hand, it's intuitive, and it's powerful. It's also incredibly obsolete. What are all those number buttons for? Why is there still a switch to select between two DVRs? Why can't it control other A/V gear as well as a $25 universal can? Why is 30-second skip still a hidden command? Most importantly, why is using it to enter in search terms such a terrible pain in the ass?
If you're going to be serious about video on demand and your new search interface, you've got to make text input way easier. This isn't rocket science -- just take a cue from the smartphone market and build a slider QWERTY peanut with a friendly, stripped-down top layout. Not only will you have once again set a standard in remote design for a decade, you'll have made YouTube on TiVo something other than a painful way to torture party guests with bloopy sounds.
3. Update the interface
Speaking of the interface, it's time to rethink things. A lot's happened in the ten years since we first saw the TiVo interface, and it hasn't kept up. That new search interface is a start, but it's time to let go of the SD customer and start seriously designing for the 16:9 HD display. You've got a lot more room to work with now, so give us the data we crave, like storage meters, PIP, and network-enabled information overlays. Hell, go crazy and toss in a third-party widget API, like Yahoo's doing. Fix the simple stuff, too: there shouldn't be any jaggies. Reordering the Season Pass priority list should happen seamlessly in the background instead of locking the user out for an indeterminate period of time. Switching between the "native" TiVo interface and things like Netflix and HMO apps shouldn't be so jarring and involve obvious resolution changes.
Just being slightly better than the cable company's garbage won't cut it for much longer -- again, the Media Center PC kicks your ass right now, and the high-end customer on which you're currently relying is going to figure that out soon.
4. Ship the Series4 with tru2way support as fast as you can
Yes, we're telling you to add in a lot of features, but time is of the essence, and the next generation of TiVo hardware with tru2way support needs to hit shelves soon. The single biggest reason people don't switch to TiVo is the lack of cable company on demand and pay-per-view content, and tru2way will put an end to it. Sure, the interface might be out of your hands and largely sucky, but hey, it'll still be there. Panasonic already has tru2way hardware on the market and the system is live in a few cities with major rollouts planned for July 1 -- so what's the holdup here?
Oh -- and just call it the Series4, okay? Trust us.
5. Cajole, convince and inform your audience with advertising
Everyone -- everyone! -- says they're going to "TiVo" a show. But they don't actually know what a TiVo is, and you're not telling them. We sort of get why you wouldn't spend a ton on advertising right now -- the economy's in a hole and your offering isn't necessarily $300 and $12.95 a month better than the cable company -- but you need to invest heavily in explaining to people why your next product is going to change the way they consume media. Show them the difference between a DVR that works almost perfectly and the crap they're stuck with now. Hold their hand during the inevitably bad CableCARD installation. Offer lifetime service plans again. In short, give your customers a reason to buy into your brand and correct people who say they have "a TiVo" when they mean a generic DVR. It won't be easy, but it's doable -- you just need a product that deserves the effort.
Wrap-up
Look -- none of these ideas are guaranteed to work. Maybe the surest path to profitability is indeed selling software to cable and satellite companies. Maybe Microsoft will eat the entire DVR market for lunch with a combination of Media Center, Windows Home Server and the Xbox 360. It's damn well going to try. But we'd bet the vast majority of consumers will still be puttering along recording just 15-20 percent of their media on crap DVRs until they have a compelling reason to switch to something better. That's a huge opportunity waiting to be seized, but it's not going to sit there forever -- the TiVo brand might give you an advantage to start, but unless you make some serious moves, next-gen devices like the EchoStar SlingLoaded T2200S are going to snatch it out from under you. The next ten years starts now -- we'll be watching.
But here's the thing: it's been ten years since TiVo first introduced the Philips-built HDR110 at NAB, and while the company's name has since become synonymous with time-shifted digital video recording, it's not because its products have achieved runaway success. In fact, it's the exact opposite: most consumers choose to get by with awful cable- or satellite-company DVRs, and TiVo's only just barely pulled a full year of profitability, two factors that have kept it firmly on deathwatch since 2005. Not only that, but while TiVo might have pushed the DVR into the mainstream, it hasn't meaningfully innovated since -- apart from HD output and the aforementioned streaming services, you'd be hard-pressed to tell a brand-new TiVo HD from an original unit by using it for five minutes. Worse, the entire DVR category's essentially remained stagnant as well -- one study found that the average DVR-enabled family records just 15-20 percent of the TV they watch, a startlingly low number by any measure.
So look -- it's not working, guys. We're happy that Comcast is now offering the TiVo interface in certain markets as a paid option, and we'll be pleased as punch when those long-promised new DirecTiVo units ship out, but the simple fact of the matter is TiVo can't continue to rely on the same strategies and ideas that haven't worked for the past ten years. What TiVo needs is a new plan -- and we've got five simple ideas that might help kickstart the company and the DVR market for the next ten years. Read on for more.
1. Embrace the computer within
Sure, the DVR is supposed to be an "appliance." And there's nothing wrong with letting things operate that way in general. But in reality you're shipping a custom Linux rig with dedicated HD video hardware, Ethernet, and external storage support -- the possibilities are endless. It's great that you've built a YouTube implementation, but a basic browser with Flash video support should have been part of the stock install for years now. The DVR that can also play Hulu without any hassles -- instant hit product. Local network streaming? It's great that it's partially supported, but half-assed codec support doesn't cut it anymore. Make your box play everything, no questions asked. People with TiVos shouldn't be tempted by a media streamer ever again.
The same goes for getting video out and onto portable devices -- you're being totally shown up by open-source projects like iTiVo and pyTiVo. TiVo Desktop Plus shouldn't be an afterthought your customers have to pay extra for -- it should be the defining feature of your product. Record a show, have it on your phone the next morning to watch on the train -- no cable company can compete with that. Mix in a little Slingbox-like placeshifting and gadget nerds will be beating down your door with $12.95 monthly subscription fees.
Can't do it, the networks and cable companies won't let us? Stop crying and point them in the direction of any decent Media Center PC, which can do all of this and more, and even do it with your interface. No excuses.
2. Put a little QWERTY in the peanut
The peanut remote is arguably one of the most iconic pieces of home theater gear ever designed. It feels great in the hand, it's intuitive, and it's powerful. It's also incredibly obsolete. What are all those number buttons for? Why is there still a switch to select between two DVRs? Why can't it control other A/V gear as well as a $25 universal can? Why is 30-second skip still a hidden command? Most importantly, why is using it to enter in search terms such a terrible pain in the ass?
If you're going to be serious about video on demand and your new search interface, you've got to make text input way easier. This isn't rocket science -- just take a cue from the smartphone market and build a slider QWERTY peanut with a friendly, stripped-down top layout. Not only will you have once again set a standard in remote design for a decade, you'll have made YouTube on TiVo something other than a painful way to torture party guests with bloopy sounds.
3. Update the interfaceSpeaking of the interface, it's time to rethink things. A lot's happened in the ten years since we first saw the TiVo interface, and it hasn't kept up. That new search interface is a start, but it's time to let go of the SD customer and start seriously designing for the 16:9 HD display. You've got a lot more room to work with now, so give us the data we crave, like storage meters, PIP, and network-enabled information overlays. Hell, go crazy and toss in a third-party widget API, like Yahoo's doing. Fix the simple stuff, too: there shouldn't be any jaggies. Reordering the Season Pass priority list should happen seamlessly in the background instead of locking the user out for an indeterminate period of time. Switching between the "native" TiVo interface and things like Netflix and HMO apps shouldn't be so jarring and involve obvious resolution changes.
Just being slightly better than the cable company's garbage won't cut it for much longer -- again, the Media Center PC kicks your ass right now, and the high-end customer on which you're currently relying is going to figure that out soon.
4. Ship the Series4 with tru2way support as fast as you can
Yes, we're telling you to add in a lot of features, but time is of the essence, and the next generation of TiVo hardware with tru2way support needs to hit shelves soon. The single biggest reason people don't switch to TiVo is the lack of cable company on demand and pay-per-view content, and tru2way will put an end to it. Sure, the interface might be out of your hands and largely sucky, but hey, it'll still be there. Panasonic already has tru2way hardware on the market and the system is live in a few cities with major rollouts planned for July 1 -- so what's the holdup here?
Oh -- and just call it the Series4, okay? Trust us.
5. Cajole, convince and inform your audience with advertising
Everyone -- everyone! -- says they're going to "TiVo" a show. But they don't actually know what a TiVo is, and you're not telling them. We sort of get why you wouldn't spend a ton on advertising right now -- the economy's in a hole and your offering isn't necessarily $300 and $12.95 a month better than the cable company -- but you need to invest heavily in explaining to people why your next product is going to change the way they consume media. Show them the difference between a DVR that works almost perfectly and the crap they're stuck with now. Hold their hand during the inevitably bad CableCARD installation. Offer lifetime service plans again. In short, give your customers a reason to buy into your brand and correct people who say they have "a TiVo" when they mean a generic DVR. It won't be easy, but it's doable -- you just need a product that deserves the effort.
Wrap-up
Look -- none of these ideas are guaranteed to work. Maybe the surest path to profitability is indeed selling software to cable and satellite companies. Maybe Microsoft will eat the entire DVR market for lunch with a combination of Media Center, Windows Home Server and the Xbox 360. It's damn well going to try. But we'd bet the vast majority of consumers will still be puttering along recording just 15-20 percent of their media on crap DVRs until they have a compelling reason to switch to something better. That's a huge opportunity waiting to be seized, but it's not going to sit there forever -- the TiVo brand might give you an advantage to start, but unless you make some serious moves, next-gen devices like the EchoStar SlingLoaded T2200S are going to snatch it out from under you. The next ten years starts now -- we'll be watching.



















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Invisiblemoose @ Apr 28th 2009 2:35PM
"You've got a lot more room to work with now, so give us the data we crave, like storage meters, PIP, and network-enabled information overlays.."
You don't even get why TiVo's become so popular -- simplicity. Everybody can use it.
If you're a techy who wants more, use a HTPC...
whatisthe @ Apr 28th 2009 2:39PM
I think an updated HD interface with a QWERTY keyboard on the remote would be easier to use/see and be just as simple, using letters to input programs or searches is a lot more intuitive than using arrows to change each letter manually.
zodnom @ Apr 28th 2009 2:40PM
No kidding. My _parents_ can actually use a TiVo.
Don't mess that up with making it too complicated.
Jim @ Apr 28th 2009 2:46PM
I'm pretty sure you missed their whole point...it hasn't become popular. After ten years, popular would mean at least as many sold and in use as say the iPhone which is only a couple years old.
Mike Vaia @ Apr 28th 2009 3:03PM
You can stop at #1. This alone would be enough for me to switch back to TiVo. Your guys hit the nail right on the head with this one!
Taylor @ Apr 28th 2009 3:26PM
I agree about keeping the interface clean. Though it could use a tad bit cleaning up/modernization.
1. Peanut Remote with slide out keyboard = awesome idea
2. media streamer for Hulu, YouTube, Netflix, Amazon and anything on our desktop = must
3. Interface needs major work with all these new things. Right now they are just ductaped in. It wasn't originally designed for it and the current placement wasn't thought out well.
4. Clean up, organize the "Music, Photos, More". It's filled with games that come with it and other worthless crap that you have to scroll past to get what you want. And why does it take so long to load that screen half the time.
5. Which leads me to the last thing: Speed it up. Better Hardware. Use of threads. The lag is highly annoying in the Tivo menu.
6. The SDK was a start, but you need to grasp what "widgets" are. People make/add widgets to Vista and they go on the DESKTOP, not hidden halfway through the menus. Allow people to create entries on the main menu. Or hell, let the user customize what they want on the main menu. Also would be nice if widgets could place notifications while watching TV.
7. Built in RSS reader
Michael Francis @ Apr 28th 2009 4:16PM
btw, lots of features doesn't mean something has to be hard to use. Consider the iPhone, there are litterally hundren of thousands of people that are not tech savy that have them but you don't hear them saying it has to many features. Furthermore, look at the number of teenagers buying smartphones now. I know enough people that didn't even know what WiFi GPS or Bluetooth were, yet they are walking around with $500+ phones with these features.
Are you saying then, there should be no more smartphones because there are stupid / tech unsavy people that cannot use them?
Then, why do you believe TiVo can't add alot of features, but make it simple enough for anyone to use? This is a MAJOR selling point for Macs as even though Mac OSX is based on BSD (which is arguable more complicated to use than DOS / Windows) apple added a nice interface and made it easy to use.
Why can't TiVo do this?
Anyway, can we send this to TiVo as an open letter? I don't want to see another DVR leave TiVO HQ without these features. TiVo isn't competitive anymore consider most providers will rent you a DVR with all the features TiVo has for free if you qualify.Why would anyone want to add $15 a month to there cable bill to get less than what they would with a regular provider? I have the TiVo S3 in canada (I know its not supported here) and I can't get HD on it. Why am I paying tive monthly when I can get a free HD rogers DVR
Invisiblemoose @ Apr 28th 2009 7:15PM
The iPhone is easy to use because it DOESN'T have a lot of features....
Carlton Bale @ Apr 29th 2009 4:40PM
TiVo could add new IR commands (and IP commands for iPhone apps) that would allow QWERTY input with existing universal remotes and PC applications. This is very trivial to do and could be rolled-out to every TiVo in existence. They wouldn't have to spend R&D developing new remote control hardware, just release the codes and let the remote control developers and iPhone app developers to go town. We'd have working solutions within weeks of TiVo publishing the codes.
One of the current iPhone apps (Series 3 and TiVo HD only) does mimic qwerty input, but it is not an elegant solution. It uses a bunch of macros to move the cursor around the "Ouija board" alphabet input screen, and you have to start with the selector on the correct letter for it to work. It's the best solution to date, but would be much nicer if TiVo actually released codes to allow direct alpha text entry in any screen.
Lucas @ Apr 28th 2009 2:37PM
If I could get a well priced DVR that did not require a subscription fees I would be on it! I don't want any more monthly fees and I don't want people tracking me.
Kamokazi @ Apr 28th 2009 3:03PM
Exactly....number 1 on that list should be: DROP THE STUPID SUBSCRIPTION MODEL.
Obviously, since they barely pulled a profit, the subscription isn't working. Release CableCARD compatible models with a good web browser on it, an optional keyboard and gyro mouse (Accessory dollars...ka-ching), and you have a real winner. IM, Facebook integration, Twitter support (Just think of the statistical possibilities..keeping track of what you are watching, auto-tweet your channel surfing, etc.)
There are still ways to keep the subscrition model alive...you just have to give consumers clear value. Partner up with content providers you already have, like Netflix and Amazon, but throw in Hulu, Youtube, etc. Put back out some subsidizing...$100 off with a 1 year Netflix subscription...etc.
The possibilities are endless...they are just killing themselves by trying to control too much.
bioadam @ Apr 28th 2009 3:10PM
Lucas, you hit the proverbial nail on the head. A new Tivo HD with lifetime service costs $700. Why oh why are there no MythTV boxes that compete with this. (If anyone knows of one, please do the world a favor and reply). Dollars and sense says the Tivo is too expensive for its own good.
This article should be titled: "Ten years of standalone DVR fail!"
radarskiy @ Apr 28th 2009 3:38PM
I views the subscription fees as the price for not touching the box from the cable company for a month. In that light, it's a bargain at any price.
Brando @ Apr 28th 2009 4:38PM
I gotta agree with this one. This is the ONLY reason that I have never bought a TIVO. I even use it as a verb in our house, but I will never replace my cable DVR as long as there are crazy subscription fees...oh wait, ANY subscription fees.
Are they a hardware supplier or a service provider? Make up your minds people.
Matt @ Apr 28th 2009 4:12PM
I agree with, Radar. The $13 subscription fee is really a moot point considering you spend that much per month for an HD DVR from your cable provider. TIVO should market the fact that you can pay $13 a month for THIS (insert TIVO, explain benefits, highlight capabilities and ease of use) or pay $13 a month for this (insert junk cable company DVR that doesn't work). Not only that but you OWN it. Tired of it? Sell it. Want to get more storage? Buy it. Want to watch tv on the go? Transfer it.
People complain a lot about a $13 monthly fee but don't blink when Time warner rents them a piece of sh*t for that much.
UnixSystemsEngineer @ Apr 28th 2009 5:45PM
Nailed it. I guess they really, really, really want the recurring revenue model because they're afraid that some day someone will come out with something better... and with hardware sales falling, their revenues will plummet, too.
But what they don't get is that NOBODY wants to pay yet another monthly service fee, especially given that the guide has relatively minimal costs. Hell, it sorta made sense when they needed to support pools of dialup modems all over the place (or 800# calls, I'm not sure which they used).
I don't mind the premium pricing for a better experience (my Comcast DVRs blow chunks), but they want me to pay hundreds of dollars up front, and STILL pay almost as much in monthly fees as Comcast charges me for the whole box? Again, all for a service that costs them almost nothing?
I ran the numbers one time, and it would have cost me something like $1300 to buy two TiVo HD DVRs, replace the hard disks with something bigger, and buy lifetime service for both (yeah, the insult of having to pay service fees for *each* box).
TiVo just doesn't get it. Their product would be a runaway success if it was just a matter of paying a chunk of change for a great device. For that matter, given their sales, subscription fees, and what SHOULD be a low cost business to be in, I'm amazed they aren't profitable beyond their wildest dreams.
ddub @ Apr 28th 2009 7:57PM
on the money. and it doesn't cost $13 bucks a month from the cable company and even if it did you still don't have to buy the hardware and when a new model comes out you just go get one free. half the people on engadget are rich kids buying toys and don't realize cost is the number one factor for purchasing things with most consumers. It's a big reason why everyone didn't rush out and get a ps3 when it debuted, bluray and all.
MikeofLA @ Apr 29th 2009 11:19AM
GUYS!!! You Pay subscription Fees from DirecTV or your cable provider... so check out your bill next time... They all have a DVR Fee... normally about $5.95, with DirecTV HD it's $12
Coy @ Apr 29th 2009 3:47PM
...time Warner charges $7 a month for DVR service. Comcast does the same. You're still paying a fee
mattack @ Apr 30th 2009 2:51PM
Tivo + lifetime is not $700. It's about $500 if you already have a Tivo, or $600 if you don't.
majortom1981 @ Apr 28th 2009 2:43PM
The biggest things that keep me with m ycable dvr is the fact that i have to buy a tivo. Also with a tv i still have to rent a cablecard from the cable company.
Plus the subscription fees.
Its much easier to go with the cable company dvr.
AdamY @ Apr 28th 2009 3:03PM
This is 100% correct.
Cable and Satellite providers are killing Tivo. It's just too much of a pain to make a Tivo operate with a high-end system, unless you can get a decent Cablecard option, something almost unknown to consumers. Until Tivo makes the right deals, or the providers ease up their restrictions, Tivo began to die when Digital and HD cable/satellite became default options from providers.
::shrug::
IR Blasters and cablecards aren't going to sway the masses. I really don't think Tivo has a chance, which is a shame, because as far as I can tell they're the only ones who actually put any thought into where to skip back to when pressing "Play" following a fast forward.
Jughead @ Apr 28th 2009 3:05PM
Yeah I agree. It's too damn expensive. I hate my comcast dvr but it is cheaper and I'm used to the awesuckness of the interface. The Moxi is tempting but the initial reviews make it sound sort of half-baked.
jkudlacz @ Apr 28th 2009 3:13PM
How is it easier. I got my TIVO box, bought lifetime subscription and I am done. All I do now is rent my 2 cable cards from TWC. I cut my bill by 14 dollars a month so in one year I will save almost 170 bucks. It pretty much pays for itself in 3 years. On top of it all I get netflix, youtube, fast intuitive interface (not in HD yet, but god I hope soon) I can schedule recording online, record shows longer in case they run over next show. All I can say is I LOVE IT.
But yes they need to keep improving this product HD interface, qwerty keyboard on remote, ability to expand storage with any eSata drive and fully functional web browser for Hulu and I will be in Heaven.
AdamY @ Apr 28th 2009 4:28PM
@jcudlaz
The average consumer (read: the mass market Tivo hopes buys their product) is unfamiliar with the Cable Card system, and is unlikely to support major adoption, especially when they get DVR right from their box (without limiting PPV or On-Demand programming).
I realize your point is that it's not easier *for you* but unless you're willing to carry Tivo's profit margin from the mainstream consumers, it's a moot point. Cable card is not ubiquitous. It is not easy for the mainstream consumer, and those cable companies offer DVR's with their service.
I don't know how to do the math any easier.
artsrc @ May 2nd 2009 3:41PM
Sell things the way people will buy them. Offer $0 initial costs and subscription, $1-2-3 00 initial and subscription, and 100% upfront and no subscription. Let people give you money any way they want.
Craig @ Apr 28th 2009 2:45PM
Sorry to say, but Tivo (much like Hulu now too) means nothing outside of the U.S.
It gets a big fat whoopdedo from me.
Frankfurter @ Apr 28th 2009 2:59PM
Because we all know how important non-US trends are on an AMERICAN BLOG. Go drink some tea or take a trip to IKEA. Either way, shut up.
Kamokazi @ Apr 28th 2009 3:11PM
And all the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese phones on Engadger that will never see the light of day on European or US soil are somehow more relevant? Sounds like you're just bitter that you can't watch Hulu :-)
Also, Frankfurter...your comment screams irony when held up against your name.
Davyburns @ Apr 29th 2009 11:55AM
Not So, Tivo is alive and well and just about surviving in the UK, albeit with only series 1 Tivos available. Mot users here would take your hand off for a series two, never mind a series 3.
They have also just launched in Australia
Kunikos @ Apr 29th 2009 1:33PM
@Frankfurter, as an American iced-tea and IKEA fan, I think your comments are stupid.
@Craig, you may not like TiVo since the data subscriptions are US centric and CableCARD probably means nothing to you outside of the US as well but ... why do we really give a crap? American readers are interested. Now, how about TiVo's software version which is part of Nero Liquid TV? Now are you interested? OK then, shut up now. :)
Steve @ Apr 28th 2009 2:46PM
Integration would be nice too.. you have a mobile website, but what about an iPhone and Blackberry application to schedule shows?
And btw, they still do offer lifetime service...
Fanfoot @ Apr 28th 2009 8:40PM
Uhh... they have those.
Paul @ Apr 28th 2009 2:46PM
I dunno, 15-20% of watched TV recorded on all DVRs is still a pretty decent amount.
Ben @ Apr 28th 2009 2:49PM
The stat is of the families with DVRs, they only watch 15-20% of their TV pre-recorded and the rest live. Personally I'm more like 90% pre-recorded and 10% live and if it wasn't for football it'd be like 1%.
Jeff @ Apr 28th 2009 2:56PM
+2 with Ben's response. What's live TV?!?
Spiny Norman @ Apr 28th 2009 3:10PM
Football live? Who has 3+ hours free on a nice Sunday afternoon? I start watching 2 hours into the game, and fast forward through the huddles and commercials, and the whole thing is done in less than an hour, often 40 minutes. As an added bonus you get to skip the (often) annoying chit-chat between the announcers.
On the subject of Football, how about making the 'Pause' timeout configurable? I can't tell you how many times I've paused the game while watching the recording, only to have the pause time out and return to the live broadcast, and thus spoil the end of the game. Many of us have LCDs, so we don't give a rat's ass about burn-in. Allow us to set the timeout, or at least go into some screen saver mode.
MadMike @ Apr 28th 2009 3:12PM
I purposefully wait 20 or so minutes after a show starts to start watching it, so I can FF through all the commercials and be done with the show almost as soon as its done recording. I don't watch anything live, except football, baseball and hockey.
OverZealous @ Apr 28th 2009 4:36PM
I wonder why no one has mentioned that maybe the "survey" results were rigged to ensure that advertisers keep paying for content?
If the content providers discover that (for example) 90% of content is recorded, and 90% of the commercials on that content are skipped over, I think they would quickly stop paying for advertising, or at least offer much less for an ad slot.
If you've ever had a media company try to get you to buy advertising, you'd know that they basically show up armed with pages and pages of industry-provided charts showing how much of what demographic watches for how long, and what percentages each viewer is, etc. These charts are only available to media companies, and they don't leave a copy with you.
So, you get told, "Yeah, our market is a perfect fit for your company. 65% of our viewers are , and we have viewers listening during any one hour, each listening for a minimum of minutes! It's a perfect fit!" Then you think, hey, if I get .01% of those listeners, that's like 10,000 people who might be interested.
Basically, the media companies are nothing more than lying scumbag marketers. But we all knew that, anyway.
Ryan @ Apr 28th 2009 2:46PM
Satellite. Why exactly cant they produce and sell a unit compatible with DirecTV or Dish on their own? In both cases a card from the provider could be provided same as those awful cable cards and instead of 'leasing' my unit from the sat provider I could pay upfront for a Tivo with better interface (and for the love of anything GOOD RESPONSIVENESS TO USER INPUT). Waiting for DirecTV to push tivo based units again is a bad idea, it could easily never happen.
Also that monthly charged based on what they currently provide is absurd. Either sell me the unit with a lifetime subscription or just dont bother, but I really cant justify paying an extra 12 bucks a month on top of everything else I'm already paying for to get TV (including that huge initial cost of the tivo itself). If you are determined to stick with monthly costs, then lease me the unit in that monthly cost rather than make me pay upfront.
Erwos @ Apr 28th 2009 2:48PM
The TiVo HD is about $200 now. That's not a huge initial cost.
bioadam @ Apr 28th 2009 3:14PM
A refurbished Tivo HD is $200 right now. A Tivo HD that has never been broken still costs $300.
SchmuckyTheCat @ Apr 28th 2009 7:25PM
They can't offer a set top box without the cooperation of Dish and DirecTV. The feeds are encrypted, DTV and Dish hold the keys and they have to authorize the cards and equipment. All equipment on sat has to be approved by the sat vendor, or the cards will get deauthorized. There is a substream of data from the satellite that constantly refreshes a list of cards and equipment serial numbers. If your equipment doesn't see its its ID in that stream, it shuts down.
Connecting unauthorized equipment is a fast way to getting sued for sat hacking.
Steve @ Apr 28th 2009 2:47PM
Also, why can't we continue to watch a show while in the menus?
SchmuckyTheCat @ Apr 28th 2009 7:24PM
I accidentally disrupted one of my S2 Tivos during an update, and got this side effect of what is playing is behind the menus. It's actually really annoying and I don't like it at all.
It could be done right, PIP or dimmed, but it's not a gimme.
Spiny Norman @ Apr 28th 2009 2:47PM
I'd start with the ability to reorder the 'Now Playing List'. I hate that when you select a group of related programs, and delete a recent recording, the group disappears somewhere down the list. I'd like to be able to fix the order of the groups, or at least provide some basic rules to define ordering, e.g. same as Season Pass list.
Also, how about the ability to create folders? Subfolders?
jbserra @ Apr 28th 2009 2:58PM
Series 2 and newer has folders. All episodes of the same season pass, or wishlist search go into a folder. You control it on the same screen as sorting alphabetically or by air date, etc.
Frankfurter @ Apr 28th 2009 3:02PM
But you can't -create- folders at will. My main TiVo is so full of random kids shows it drives me nuts. I'd like the ability to create a "KIDS" folder, then move all those shows into it. And maybe one for all my wife's House, Heroes, Southland, and every other generic drama on TV right now. I need plenty of room to see all of my Modern Marvels shows.....
Spiny Norman @ Apr 28th 2009 3:12PM
Yes, I know they support folders, but it's only sortable by date or alphabetical. How about a few other options? How about sorted by user priority?
Jeff Rutherford @ Apr 28th 2009 2:48PM
Nicely written. I would add that one of TiVo's true innovations has been finding a way to sell viewing preference and demographic information back to the content providers. Not much help to the consumer (some would call it spying), but innovative nonetheless.