Snapdragon-powered Smartbooks: in case your smartphone / netbook ain't cutting it


As for software, we're only told that these units will ship with some flavor of Linux on there, and we get the impression that the user interface will look a lot like some of the Linux-based Instant-On operating systems that we've already seen on other machines. In essence, these are designed to provide instant access to email, the internet and other basic Office-type tasks, so we'd expect a pretty dumbed-down GUI. Unlike MIDs and UMPCs -- which, let's be real, have largely flopped -- these machines will typically have displays ranging from 10- to 12-inches (diagonally), and they'll also boast rather sizable QWERTY keyboards. While we're always down for new device categories, we can't say we're exceptionally stoked about trying to put a "smartphone experience on a larger form factor" (Qualcomm's initiative, not ours). We know Celio's REDFLY and Palm's defunct Foleo didn't aim to achieve that exact same thing, but the goal here seems dangerously close to missions that have already demonstrated epic levels of failure.

So, we know what you're thinking: "Can I seriously sidetalk on one of these things?" In short, yeah, you probably could. The Snapdragon obviously handles voice just fine, but we don't get the idea that any of its channel partners will be selling these primarily as voice devices. Though, we were told directly that Qualcomm (and in turn, it's partners who will be building these things) will be tapping into the same sales channels that smartphone vendors already use to move 'em. Before you rip these guys for their short-sightedness, we should remind you that loads of netbooks are already being sold directly by cellphone carriers, and with the recent surge in WWAN demand, it's not all that far-fetched to think that these wouldn't sell in the same places that handsets are offered. That said, it was confirmed that certain smartbooks will be sold only by certain carriers, and thus locked to their data network.
If you're curious about ship dates and the like, we're fully expecting smartbooks from the likes of Acer, Compal, Samsung, ASUS, LG, Toshiba and / or Wistron, though Qualcomm won't definitively say which partners are buying in. Still, the first smartbook should be ready for mass consumption by the "end of this year," and while questions surrounding price were skillfully dodged, we're guessing they'll be slotted somewhere between a smartphone and a netbook. Call it a hunch.




















Seems promising, Cant Wait!
Seems COMpromising, Can Wait!
There fixed it for ya ;)
Smartbooks? What's next, netphones which use skype, vonage, or magicjack as their service providers?
MY MIND CAN'T HANDLE THE VARIETY
I agree, why do we need 17 different names for everything. It's a friggin small laptop....geez.
Skypephones already exist -_-
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/allfeatures/3skypephone/
Perhaps I should have added "/sarcasm" at the end of my post.
Make it capacitive touch screen.. on both panels of the "SmartBook" instead of the keyboard.. and count me in
I have been proposing that concept for the last couple of years.
Two screens, then you place anything on them, portrait or landscape.
So now we have:
Cellphone
Smartphone
Smartbook -------> won't take off
PDA ---------------> dead
MID ----------------> dying
UMPC -------------> dying
Netbook
Laptop
Desktop replacement laptop
Small for factor (SFF) desktop
Desktop
I'll take a good high-end next-gen big screen smartphone, a laptop for work, and a desktop for games.
Don't forget nettops! lol
I know what you mean...... Im only using a UMPC for work. Makes sense to have ridiculous computing power that small when youre doing a simple inventory database.
so basically we will have mids/umpcs they will just be smartphones that come in different shapes and sizes, different OS's.
I have to add tablets to that list. Tablets will be useful for both consumers, businesses and educational institutions.
Don't forget H/PCs.
This is exactly what the "smartbooks" are hoping to mimick.
Mine would still be useful if it wasn't physically broken.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/_archives/Nov98/ultra.htm
I always used this at school for notes and browsing the web with my PCMCIA modem, NIC, or serial->cell
/misses those days.
//classmate cracked the screen. Windows CE was fast and reliable.
I'll take a
1. Smartphone - Maybe an iphone or a Blackberry (I consider an iphone a smartphone) for computer like features and phone service of course.
2. Desktop - For intense application usage and work
3. Netbook - For casual browsing in bed or for some quick work on the go.
I'm good with those 3 .
@ScrapMaker: I agree. I use an NEC MobilePro 900 (you can buy them on the web) with a 16GB CompactFlash and a WiFi PC Card. It has about the same dimensions as the P, with a 92% keyboard. It runs CE, so from power button to desktop is about 1 second; click on Word (or TextMaker) and it's ready to roll in about another second. I can read my email just fine, browsing isn't so great, but my main use is Word/TextMaker. Netbooks are way too big for my purpose; maybe someday I'll get a P with Windows 7 but it sure won't be instant-on.
Isn't this the exact thing Ryan called out Palm on with his open letter all those days ago? Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but this sounds just like the Palm Foleo which was ripped to shreds across the gadget world. (Side note: Thanks to Ryan for being directly responsible for inspiring Palm to create WebOS and the Pre.)
I was just going to post the same thing. This is exactly what the Foleo wanted to accomplish.. and exactly what was ripped to shreds as a stupid idea. I'm sure there are some people at Palm who have at least a little satisfaction knowing they weren't all wrong. Sure the Foleo might have been lacking in some specs, but I don't believe atom or snapdragon were around at the time. It isn't the specs that it was really slammed for. It was the concept.
No. This is a stand-alone device. The Foleo required another Palm device to work.
The main problem with the Foleo was that it required a Palm device to be attached before it would do anything. That's kind of a deal-breaker. If it was standalone it might have started the netbook craze.
The Fooleo was a non-starter as no one wanted or needed a "mobile phone companion" and the price was on par with a full fledged (low end) notebook.. It may have worked IF the Fooleo had had an internal cell radio and a subsidized arrangement with the likes of Verizon. I thought of the Fooleo when I saw an advert from Verizon (I think it was) for a cellular capable HP Mini for $199.
Maybe if this succeeds they'll say the Palm Foleo was ahead of its time.
Somehow, I highly doubt it will though.
No, Asshat, the Foleo required a Palm device to actually work. This thing won't.
was/is tegra and snapdragon meant for smart phones or netbooks? Are they different speeds of the same chips? You can pack a much larger battery on a netbook, so 8 to 10 hrs would be awesome for a netbook... but what's the battery life on a smart phone? My current smarphone lasts 40 minutes if i watch videos over 3g.
Tegra is ULP (ultra low power), Snapdragon isn't. You can squeeze 30 hours of HD playback off a Tegra phone.
There's an MID version of Tegra (Tegra 600), and a smartphone version (APX 2500 & 2600)...
"Tegra is ULP (ultra low power), Snapdragon isn't."
Bollocks. ULP is a marketing description by nVidia. Qualcomm have been making ultra low power CPUs for generations.
The reality is that Tegra's an old technology 65nm 600MHz ARM11 CPU, whereas the Snapdragon is a much more powerful 1GHz OoO superscalar ARM core with an ATI graphics engine on a more modern process and with built in 3G. Which is kind of useful.
netbooks need to have some feature like GPS integrated...
QC has been touting this platform (snapdragon) for so long without any real fanfare.
I remember recently they acquired a fair amount of the ATI IP when they purchased the ATI mobile graphics assets. It just feels like a final effort to find a niche for this platform, but trying to create a new segment because you can not compete with the other big boys feels like a last gasp of air.
It seems like because they can't compete with Intel (and to a lesser extent Nvidia) in the netbook arena (Atom is too pervasive) they are trying to CREATE a market segment that does not seem large enough to sustain profitability. Maybe it's there and untapped, but my money is on "failure."
This is what netbooks should have been.
Netbooks : Why would I want something that doesn't offer the same performance as a laptop, but consumes pretty much the same power. Lets face it, the primary use for a netbook is internet, email and office apps.
This device makes perfect sense - It give me all the above mentioned items with a decent battery life.
@TaraX - Smartbooks come before / overlap netbooks. PDA's didn't really fail - they were just replaced with smartphones.
MID and UMPC was just a market that was invented by Intel so that they had a use for their upcoming product.
The problem with umpc was always the price. Not the idea or the feature set
You have a good point. I hadn't thought of that. The Smartbook could indeed replace the netbook.
However, maybe the normal impotent Netbook will dissolve into two: The Smartbook and the high-end Netbook (like the 10-12" ones with Ion)
I agree in most respects. You bring up a great analogy, though perhaps unintentionally.
This seems like QC's "MID and UMPC" attempt. Agree completely that Intel failed on that front. Luckily both of these companies are successful enough to have these failures here and there.
I would still argue that product category, "Smartbooks", are dead in the water. The market segments overlap much too greatly. The battery life is only comparable (I get 8-10 hours on my netbook).
GPS is definitely nice...
yu know all this is irrelevant.
MIDS WILL WIN WIN WIN
all your little shtty devices will fail because MIDS will win. sure , they are on the ropes now but just you watch . MIDS will WIN WIN WIN.
Microsoft xp only runs on mids and once you have that in your pocket you will stop looking at all these other devices. yay mids . GO mids .. la la la .. i love mids.. la l al la ..
"Netbooks : Why would I want something that doesn't offer the same performance as a laptop, but consumes pretty much the same power."
Dead wrong. Maybe you're referring to first-gen netbooks? My Asus EeePC 1000HE regularly AVERAGES 8 hours of battery life per charge on a 6-cell battery. I browse the web, use Office, and listen to music. What laptop can come close to that with a single battery?
That's a fair point. Not owning a netbook I made a lame assumption that netbook power consumption sucks. I guess the point I wanted to make was that these QC based devices along with all the other upcoming devices based on ARM are meant to offer an always on experience like your mobile. The idle power consumptions on these processors are crazy small. Also bear in mind that the battery on these would be significantly smaller than that on a netbook.
Lots of us need "DumbBooks" -- like the NEC Mobile Pro 900 that ran WinCE, had 92% keyboard, and was instant-on. As I said above, for minimal functionality -- email, browsing, and Word -- a modern version with the 900 or Sony P form factor is perfect for me.
Yay, now I can sidetalk on my Snapdragon!
Snapdragon...snapdragon...rolls off the tongue really nicely, doesn't it? And it sounds cool! :)
The market is constantly changing for portable devices so it's damn near impossible to predict how a product will do with a rapidly changing market.
The confusing thing about these is their nearly treading on notebook territory with specs that are a lot less powerful than netbooks.
Wouldn't it be better to couple a ARM CPU with a Tegra in a package the size of a iPhone or perhaps something a little larger?
If you compare this to a notebook for example with a Nvidia Ion package you'd be talking about a smartbook that is around the same size as a netbook but significantly less grunt(though quite a bit more battery life).
Battery life could be the big point for smartbooks but this is what I'd prefer smart books to be like:
Next generation Atom CPU(its an x86 processor so it basically allows you to run a ton of stuff that runs on your regular PC albeit slower. I think the current Atom CPU would be really useless in this situation. The Atom CPU sucks but it's not the CPU itself but the platform that sucks since the platform wasn't tweaked for power saving and takes up ten times as much power as the CPU itself. The next generation will also have a tweaked platform as well as CPU so the power draw could be a tenth as much).
Tegra GPU(This GPU is tiny but the plus side of it is that its size doesnt slow it down. It is much more powerful than last generation consoles and even compares fabourably with these generation of consoles so you'd be able to boot some of your old PC games on this with a little porting. In fact I'd wager you could load up some of the newer games on this platform albeit at a much lower resolution).
Android or Moblin OS(their both open source allowing a ton of customisation possibilities plus a huge software library from the get-go).
6-8 inch screen(a sharp 6 to 8 inch screen with 1280x800 res would be nice).
Full QWERTY Slide out keyboard with a little joystiq(can't be replaced).
Multi-touch(sorry Apple but you should have patented it, too late now muahaha)
I think you'd be looking at something that sits safely in between mobile phones with their 3 inch or so screens and very basic capabilities and a netbook with a 10 to 12 inch screen that is quite powerful and sort of a mini notebook but with a small battery life.
For me a smart book would be very feature packed and powerful device with great connectivity that is about twice the size of a cellphone, has a big touch screen and a QWERTY slide out keyboard. The device should have both the monstrous Tegra and the next generation Atom to give it a metric ton of portable power but with a smaller screen so it lasts a lot longer plus a power sipping design that allows you to get 24 hours of use out of it(can get 10 on a netbook already).
I'd hack the living daylights out of it and get my games running on it and customise it to no end.
OK I'm done with my rant... sorry I got carried away lol.
Tegra is not just a GPU. The chip incorporates an ARM11 CPU too.
no no, I get the sarcasm.... doesn't change the fact that these random little names for every variation on a laptop are a marketing executives wet dream and that annoys me. haha they are little laptops!
This whole 'PC Companion' has been done before...
- NEC Mobilepro 780/790/900(c)
- HP Jornada 720/728
- NTT DoCoMo Sigmarion II/III
- Intermec 6651
- Zupera Smartbook
- Psion Netbook Pro
...and as 'Tarex' implies, I doubt these snapdragon devices will hit in a big way. Program and file compatibility with desktops has always been the big killer. Well, that and CPU horse power. I've owned all but one of those devices listed above, and with that experience in mind I really don't think there's going to be many people for whom these devices will be the answer to a prayer unuttered. With smartphones and netbooks so close in terms of size and capabilities, I don't think you're going to find a lot of people who want the compromises of a non-pocketable low-power non-windows/x86 compatible system. Not that netbooks and smart phones don't have compromises as well, but I think most people will ultimately prefer those to the snapdragons...
But, we shall see. I'd love to be proved wrong as I've always loved tiny computers :P
I couldn't live without my MobilePro 900, even though I have a ThinkPad and an iPhone.
They should also include ALL of the “typical” smartphone hardware (GPS, accelerometer, digital compass, etc.). Then, running an OS like Android, you will be able to use location-based apps, make cell phone calls, send SMS, etc.
This would REALLY differentiate “smartbooks” from the current generation of “netbooks” (which are basically just small & cheap notebooks).
I wouldn't say that MIDs/UMPCs are dead or dying. There will be plenty in the future with Nvidia tegra, Intel Moorestown and Qualcomm Snapdragon cpu's. They probably calling this a smartbook to be different, as MID is an Intel term isn't it.
This smartbook looks really cool and would be even better is Qualcomm put their 1.5GHz Snapdragon inside.
What price will this be? Between smartphone and netbook? Smartphones (new good ones, not rubbish or old) cost plenty more than the average netbook, so I doubt it will be more than netbooks, more like $200 less.
Looking forward to these....
But gotta wonder...
I own a device that was called a Smartbook G138 and was made by Book Digital. It is basically slightly smaller than a Netbook, has an ARM CPU, Has a keyboard, 7" touchscreen and a GPRS connection.
If anyone still ownes the trademark I can see a courtcase looming. Surely if you are going to use a name for a product family you would type it into google and see what comes up first.
http://www.hpcfactor.com/reviews/hardware/bookdigital/smartbook-g138/
John