Palm: this is your survival guide
Oh Palm. Just a little over a year ago your future seemed so bright, so renewed. You walked away from CES 2009 reborn, held aloft by a completely innovative new mobile operating system, a striking piece of hardware, and a feeling amongst the press and investors that you were back in the game and playing to win. Now, less than a year and a half later, you've nearly returned to the dark and desperate place you'd found yourself in at the end of 2008; a rapidly declining mindshare, the bottom falling out of your stock, and bad dips in phone sales. All of it is leaving you backed into a corner where the common perception now is that you've got to sell to survive at all. So what went wrong? How did such a promising launch lead to such a disappointing reality? And how can you wrestle your way back from the brink yet again? Is that even an option?
In 2007 the editors of Engadget penned an impassioned open letter to the company, pleading for many of the changes we eventually saw at Palm. This isn't a follow-up, but it's very much in the spirit. We're going to take a look at the missteps that put the company in its current spot, and talk about what we think can pull it back out. Palm, it's time for a little tough love... again.
The mistake: Launching the Pre and webOS at CES 2009, but not delivering a product until just days before the assumed announcement of a new iPhone.
Palm, you had more heat than a company could reasonably expect after your announcement of the Pre and webOS at CES 2009. Certainly amongst journalists, the feeling was one of utter elation at the products you'd just announced; an innovative, slickly designed OS and phone which looked to be solid competition even to the likes of the iPhone. Post-CES, the buzz surrounding the eventual release of the Pre was high, even though you'd partnered with Sprint (more on that in a moment). Yet when push came to shove, you let the excitement drag on for far too long, and what started as a high pitch siren started to wind down to sub bass drone. It didn't help that once your launch date was finally announced (nearly six months after CES), it came just days before Apple was set to announce a new handset. In the end, you still had some heat, but the cooling off period had already begun.
The fix: You can't rewrite history, but take this as a lesson -- no one wants to eat melted ice cream, especially when they know they're about to get a brand new banana split in a few minutes.
The mistake: Partnering exclusively with Sprint on the Pre launch.
Sure, you didn't have a great bargaining position before the Pre was shown off, but choosing to enter into an exclusive agreement with the third-place, ailing carrier with no clear picture of when you'd move to other partners was about the worst thing you could have done. We're not saying Sprint is necessarily a bad carrier -- in fact, when testing the Pre for our review, we thought the combo was excellent. Still, pairing one down-on-its-luck company with another doesn't often make for fireworks. You should have begged, borrowed, and stole to launch this thing on Verizon or AT&T. At the end of the day, it comes down to audience. In some ways, it might have been better to launch with T-Mobile, which would have allowed you to at least quickly ramp up your GSM sales overseas. As it stands now, you've only got a scant amount of partners in Europe (ignoring a potentially huge market), and you've been slow to bring on new carriers (hello, SFR).
The fix: Again, this one is a done deal, but spreading the love to every carrier you can get your hands on should be (and clearly is) a primary goal right now. The more eyes on these devices, the better chance you have of staying in the game.
The mistake: No SDK -- and more importantly no PDK -- out of the gate.
You really needed to win developers over to your platform quickly, but it was difficult to do that when you launched the SDK with only a limited pool of partners, then expanded that slightly as the months wore on. Additionally, you should have given devs access to the Pre's full capabilities with something like your PDK right out of the gate. While you were espousing the joys of web standards (a great idea without question, but not enough to make your phone feel competitive), users were getting stripped experiences and sluggish interactions with software on your devices. It's good for some things, but not for everything -- this is evidenced by some of the embarrassingly bad attempts at gaming we saw before the PDK was available.
The fix: You've done it -- you've got the PDK into wide release, and you've got devs showing off what these phones are capable of. Based on what we've heard from developers, webOS is actually the easiest and most pleasant mobile OS to develop for -- and you need to start evangelizing that message! The other thing you have to do is make these devices attractive to devs and users because of potential you show through apps, which brings us to...
The mistake: Awful marketing at launch. Sustained awful marketing.
Palm, have you ever watched one of your ads? They are unspeakably bad. In particular, your launch spots featuring what seemed like an extra from the The Cell (and hell, directed by Tarsem, who made 'The Cell') not only failed to show what your beautiful and sophisticated phones were capable of, but alienated viewers almost universally. The fact that these ads weren't pulled off the air immediately was troubling, but more disturbing was the fact that they seemed to confirm that you didn't understand how to market your product, or what your demographic was. Adding insult to injury, you mostly allowed Sprint to steer the ship with showing off your product, which was fine, but it wasn't like the Pre was being perfectly framed by their ads either.
We expected round two would be much better, considering the variety of very vocal objections to your first set, and especially considering that you had a new, wealthier partner: Verizon. Somehow, these ads turned out worse than the first round, not only once again failing to show off your phones (now with other amazing capabilities like 3D gaming), but genderizing the Pre and Pixi in offensive, pointless, and downright stupid spots that insulted those you hoped to be selling to, and simply turned off everyone else. In fact, throughout your career in selling these phones, the only ad which effectively did anything to show how powerful webOS was was the underused Pixi ad we covered in November.
The fix: This is so simple it's stupid. Show your phone doing what it does best -- show it running 3D games, Facebook, and Twitter apps. Show how it notifies users without pop-ups, show how you can switch between all those apps quickly, show how fast web browsing is and how nice pages look (and show pinch-to-zoom!). Show your App Catalog and all the software that's available, show off how your gestures work, show off how easy it is to search for things... but most importantly, don't be afraid to compare it to the competition. You're beating Android's pants off with your game offerings -- and hey, guess what most people are buying in Apple's App Store? You're the only other phonemaker playing in their space, and you've done nothing to sell it. Your newest ad is a step in the right direction, but only about a quarter step. You're still making things gender specific, and you're still not really showing how the phone works. If you do anything with whatever money you have left, you should pour it into an advertising onslaught that simply doesn't pull punches. You have a good product, it's just that no one knows about it or thinks it's for them.
And we can't stress this bit enough: stop acting like your phone is just for girls. Seriously, it's like you've taken Roger McNamee's stupid comments from the All Things D conference about the Pre having a mirror on the back and used that as the basis for your marketing campaign. We're not sure what bunk piece of demographic research you're utilizing to make these decisions, but we're pretty sure reality doesn't bear that research out. You're simply making a huge mistake by trying to "sell" these phones to women -- again, you insult your target demo, and you turn off other potential buyers big time.
The mistake: The iTunes sideshow.
We may never fully understand this one. It seemed like a cool idea at the time, to be sure, but you'd think someone at Palm would have known better than to get into such a silly battle with Apple when your position wasn't so hot. For some reason, you guys thought it was important to offer native iTunes syncing -- important enough to invest time, energy, and resources into -- but we couldn't say why at the end of the day. We're not going to spend much time on this one, because we've already let you know what we think the reasonable, rational thing to do would be... but it bares repeating.
The fix: Another no-brainer. You should have partnered with DoubleTwist out of the gate, or just written your own desktop app that would allow syncing for your devices. Honestly, people don't care that much as long as you give them a sensible, simple way to get music and media onto the phone. You never had to waste a single second on this -- in fact, you could have come out looking like heroes by teaming up with another open source, underground champion like DVD Jon. Instead, you had a protracted battle with Apple which you essentially lost, and now you're telling users not to upgrade their copies of iTunes. Frankly, it looks silly.
The mistake: The Pixi.
We get what you were thinking here: give consumers an updated version of the Centro (your last successful device), a cheap, entry level smartphone to get them into your ecosystem. You figured people at shops would say, "Hey, instead of buying this $99 featurephone, I can get this totally grown up smartphone!" And that is a good strategy... for a world where there's no $99 iPhone or Droid Eris. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world (or, we live in that world, but it's two years later). Your Centro strategy doesn't work anymore, because now the most exciting and feature-packed smartphone (in the eyes of many consumers) can be had for the same price. What's worse, you designed the Pixi (admittedly a nice handset) with slower, less capable hardware than the Pre, meaning that even if you like the form factor, you're still cheated out of the best software (at least for now, Palm says that will change soon) -- and it means you have to devote more resources to OS development because you've got parallel paths. Not a great situation for a company that's already hamstrung by a small staff.
The fix: Kill the Pixi. Seriously -- kill it, or give it the same specs as the Pre. You're going to alienate some users, but it's worth it in the long run, because whatever resources you're pumping into this device are ultimately going to be wasted. There's no way you can sustain this kind of fragmentation at your size (even Google can't do that... and they're Google), and once your next gen device rolls around (if it ever does), something tells us the gap between products will grow even wider.
The mistake: Hardware issues which plagued the Pre, with no outward acknowledgment or rush to correct.
Let's just be honest, guys -- you've had some manufacturing and design issues with the Pre. We've seen countless reports, read too many blog posts to recall, and heard all sorts of horror stories about broken sliders, power buttons that stop functioning, the "Oreo cookie" effect, and more. Hell, even our first review unit broke!
Let me switch to first person here and tell you a story. When the Pre came out, I emphatically recommended the phone to a good friend of mine who was a Sprint subscriber -- I sold it to him so well I should have gotten a commission. I was truly excited about webOS and all its possibilities (I still am to a large extent). My friend went ahead and bought the phone, only to be wracked with build quality and battery life issues. He regularly complained that his slider mechanism had begun to slip, his power button required a "special" hard push to function, his MicroUSB door snapped off (big surprise)... and that was to say nothing of his battery life problems. In addition, the software issues which started around the first or second update (the sluggish behavior and random "too many cards" messages) drove him to not just be unhappy with the phone -- but to really hate it. By allowing these hardware and software issues to go unchecked or unacknowledged, Palm isn't just creating issues for its customers... it's making enemies.
The fix: Make better hardware, and own up to issues as soon as you see them. Maybe this is easier said than done, but if you want to continue to be transparent and available to your customers, then you have to be able to speak up when something goes wrong. Of course, instead of just issuing an "improved" version of the Pre when it came time to release on Verizon you could have just...
The mistake: The Pre is looking pretty dated. You need new hardware.
Look, we get it. We know your party line: the Pre has been out for less than a year. Ah, but remember, you showed us the Pre back in January of 2009 -- which means it's been in front of us for nearly a year and a half. In that time we've seen a new iPhone, the Droid, the Nexus One (and Desire), the HD2 and TG01, Sony Ericsson's X10, and plenty more. Now, sure, you share similar screen and CPU specs with the iPhone 3GS, but you've still got worse build quality and a smaller display -- and people notice. The trend of WVGA displays and faster, more efficient CPUs (hello, Snapdragon) is clear, and you can't afford to sit on the sidelines with a device which is over a year old by many people's standards. We know that you still have a few partnerships to sort out, but if you keep bringing these same devices to more carriers (or don't give us an indication that something new is on the horizon), you're practically hammering nails in your own coffin. You need to innovate on every side now.
The fix: Release a piece of hardware that bests what is currently out there, and put it in an extremely hot looking package... that's also built like a tank. We think you've done a beautiful job on industrial design, now take what you've been working with, apply it to something with the build quality of the Droid, maybe toss in a landscape keyboard, high res camera, and a nice, large screen -- we promise people will take notice. Oh, and don't release it on Sprint... even if it's got WiMAX. And for heaven's sake: advertise the hell out of it. For everyone.
Now we'll be the first to admit -- we have no idea if what we think actually makes any sense for Palm. We're not marketing experts or a design committee -- we're just a group of gadget enthusiasts that want to see companies making smart, innovative products succeed. Palm, you've done some amazing work in the past year or so, and we really do applaud the effort and artistry you've brought to the smartphone world, but you're not taking this thing into the endzone... you're not even half way there. You've got to compete harder, and you've got to start to focusing on what works and start killing what doesn't. You've got a lot of the latter and not enough of the former -- and it's time to flip that equation.
On a personal note, Palm, if you're looking for a Robin to Jon's Batman: you know how to get a hold of me.
In 2007 the editors of Engadget penned an impassioned open letter to the company, pleading for many of the changes we eventually saw at Palm. This isn't a follow-up, but it's very much in the spirit. We're going to take a look at the missteps that put the company in its current spot, and talk about what we think can pull it back out. Palm, it's time for a little tough love... again.

The fix: You can't rewrite history, but take this as a lesson -- no one wants to eat melted ice cream, especially when they know they're about to get a brand new banana split in a few minutes.
The mistake: Partnering exclusively with Sprint on the Pre launch.

The fix: Again, this one is a done deal, but spreading the love to every carrier you can get your hands on should be (and clearly is) a primary goal right now. The more eyes on these devices, the better chance you have of staying in the game.
The mistake: No SDK -- and more importantly no PDK -- out of the gate.

The fix: You've done it -- you've got the PDK into wide release, and you've got devs showing off what these phones are capable of. Based on what we've heard from developers, webOS is actually the easiest and most pleasant mobile OS to develop for -- and you need to start evangelizing that message! The other thing you have to do is make these devices attractive to devs and users because of potential you show through apps, which brings us to...
The mistake: Awful marketing at launch. Sustained awful marketing.
Palm, have you ever watched one of your ads? They are unspeakably bad. In particular, your launch spots featuring what seemed like an extra from the The Cell (and hell, directed by Tarsem, who made 'The Cell') not only failed to show what your beautiful and sophisticated phones were capable of, but alienated viewers almost universally. The fact that these ads weren't pulled off the air immediately was troubling, but more disturbing was the fact that they seemed to confirm that you didn't understand how to market your product, or what your demographic was. Adding insult to injury, you mostly allowed Sprint to steer the ship with showing off your product, which was fine, but it wasn't like the Pre was being perfectly framed by their ads either.
We expected round two would be much better, considering the variety of very vocal objections to your first set, and especially considering that you had a new, wealthier partner: Verizon. Somehow, these ads turned out worse than the first round, not only once again failing to show off your phones (now with other amazing capabilities like 3D gaming), but genderizing the Pre and Pixi in offensive, pointless, and downright stupid spots that insulted those you hoped to be selling to, and simply turned off everyone else. In fact, throughout your career in selling these phones, the only ad which effectively did anything to show how powerful webOS was was the underused Pixi ad we covered in November.
The fix: This is so simple it's stupid. Show your phone doing what it does best -- show it running 3D games, Facebook, and Twitter apps. Show how it notifies users without pop-ups, show how you can switch between all those apps quickly, show how fast web browsing is and how nice pages look (and show pinch-to-zoom!). Show your App Catalog and all the software that's available, show off how your gestures work, show off how easy it is to search for things... but most importantly, don't be afraid to compare it to the competition. You're beating Android's pants off with your game offerings -- and hey, guess what most people are buying in Apple's App Store? You're the only other phonemaker playing in their space, and you've done nothing to sell it. Your newest ad is a step in the right direction, but only about a quarter step. You're still making things gender specific, and you're still not really showing how the phone works. If you do anything with whatever money you have left, you should pour it into an advertising onslaught that simply doesn't pull punches. You have a good product, it's just that no one knows about it or thinks it's for them.
And we can't stress this bit enough: stop acting like your phone is just for girls. Seriously, it's like you've taken Roger McNamee's stupid comments from the All Things D conference about the Pre having a mirror on the back and used that as the basis for your marketing campaign. We're not sure what bunk piece of demographic research you're utilizing to make these decisions, but we're pretty sure reality doesn't bear that research out. You're simply making a huge mistake by trying to "sell" these phones to women -- again, you insult your target demo, and you turn off other potential buyers big time.
The mistake: The iTunes sideshow.

The fix: Another no-brainer. You should have partnered with DoubleTwist out of the gate, or just written your own desktop app that would allow syncing for your devices. Honestly, people don't care that much as long as you give them a sensible, simple way to get music and media onto the phone. You never had to waste a single second on this -- in fact, you could have come out looking like heroes by teaming up with another open source, underground champion like DVD Jon. Instead, you had a protracted battle with Apple which you essentially lost, and now you're telling users not to upgrade their copies of iTunes. Frankly, it looks silly.
The mistake: The Pixi.

The fix: Kill the Pixi. Seriously -- kill it, or give it the same specs as the Pre. You're going to alienate some users, but it's worth it in the long run, because whatever resources you're pumping into this device are ultimately going to be wasted. There's no way you can sustain this kind of fragmentation at your size (even Google can't do that... and they're Google), and once your next gen device rolls around (if it ever does), something tells us the gap between products will grow even wider.
The mistake: Hardware issues which plagued the Pre, with no outward acknowledgment or rush to correct.

Let me switch to first person here and tell you a story. When the Pre came out, I emphatically recommended the phone to a good friend of mine who was a Sprint subscriber -- I sold it to him so well I should have gotten a commission. I was truly excited about webOS and all its possibilities (I still am to a large extent). My friend went ahead and bought the phone, only to be wracked with build quality and battery life issues. He regularly complained that his slider mechanism had begun to slip, his power button required a "special" hard push to function, his MicroUSB door snapped off (big surprise)... and that was to say nothing of his battery life problems. In addition, the software issues which started around the first or second update (the sluggish behavior and random "too many cards" messages) drove him to not just be unhappy with the phone -- but to really hate it. By allowing these hardware and software issues to go unchecked or unacknowledged, Palm isn't just creating issues for its customers... it's making enemies.
The fix: Make better hardware, and own up to issues as soon as you see them. Maybe this is easier said than done, but if you want to continue to be transparent and available to your customers, then you have to be able to speak up when something goes wrong. Of course, instead of just issuing an "improved" version of the Pre when it came time to release on Verizon you could have just...
The mistake: The Pre is looking pretty dated. You need new hardware.

The fix: Release a piece of hardware that bests what is currently out there, and put it in an extremely hot looking package... that's also built like a tank. We think you've done a beautiful job on industrial design, now take what you've been working with, apply it to something with the build quality of the Droid, maybe toss in a landscape keyboard, high res camera, and a nice, large screen -- we promise people will take notice. Oh, and don't release it on Sprint... even if it's got WiMAX. And for heaven's sake: advertise the hell out of it. For everyone.

On a personal note, Palm, if you're looking for a Robin to Jon's Batman: you know how to get a hold of me.






















GO TEAM!!11!!1!
I like the Pre, but I can't wait to get my hands on the Palm Post!
Pika2000 is constantly ranting that Palm should just screw the carriers and sell unlocked GSM WebOS phones. I gotta say, that sounds pretty good to me, especially after the castration AT&T performed on the Backflip.
@BergerFan
I laughed at that more than I should have. I now feel rather juvenile. :(
@N900
http://instantrimshot.com/
@BergerFan
LOL!
@N900 Ha.
@BergerFan
Engadget always seems to know exactly what Palm should be doing. I mean, the hubris of...what is this now, E's second Palm manifesto?
@BergerFan I want to believe! But at last I sense unless HTC or some other hardware company steps in and Palm gets some heavy third party financial backer jumping in the mix they are looking like Apollo Creed...But I liked Apollo Creed.....GO PALM!
/sucker for a underdog plus I like WebOs just not the hardware.
@BergerFan
You mean post postmortem.
@Luke
Which is not to say I disagree :)
@BergerFan Im hi-jacking this comment feed (sorry)
Has anyone seen this palm ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1OHlFOee2w
it appears to have come out a few days ago. Maybe I'm late on this one, but I didn't see it mentioned in this post.
maybe this is a step in the right direction (ad-wise)
@archkron
As a Pre owner, I still can't be mad at Josh. Palm made many mistakes along the way. All companies do, but with as much at stake as it was for Palm, they needed to play a nearly perfect game to gain mind/market share. They have not succeeded YET, but I still believe in this little company and await their next product to see where they go (I LOVE my Pre, by the way).
@Engadget
That was a speedy delivery.
@brockorr It's better, but still too much 'actor' and not enough phone.
We need MOAR PHONE!!!11!!1
That ad looked like it should be for WP7S.
The 'Droid Does' ads concentrated on what the device 'Does'. The iPhone also. The 'device' is the only thing that matters in both of those ad campaigns, and Palm should be the same.
@BergerFan I 100% agree with you. I guess it isn't a huge step in the right direction, but it definitely isn't a step in the wrong direction like most of their other ads.
@BergerFan
Agreed, I cringe every time I see a "Droid Does" commercial now, because the Pre can do it to! And more!. Not only the ads, but my office mates keep trying to show me everything their "Droid Does", that I could do with my Pre 6 months ago, and yet they had no idea the Pre could do any of it.
One officemate just this week tried to show me his new game, his new tethering solution, and a universal search function on his Droid. I pulled out my Pre, one-upped every single thing he did on the Droid (including firing up mobile hotspot and letting him browse the web using his wifi through my phone), and he was amazed. He wished he had known about what the Pre could do before the Droid came out, but Palm hasn't really told most people, outside of the techie/gadget circles like Engadget.
@brockorr
it was mentioned, its the link where they said 'your recent' ads and compared it with the new wp7s ad.
@a dumb cat
+1
How come we can't get THAT user interface?
@BergerFan
While I do agree with most of what Josh is saying here, I feel like Palm had no choice but to make some of their decisions the way they did because of their size and the hole they were in at the time.
For a small company that was almost going bankrupt, they pulled it together fairly well. WebOS is amazing, and they managed to distribute the Pre to multiple countries on many carriers.
However, maybe that is not enough to survive in this tough and competitive mobile industry. They made too many compromises, but they had to at the time.
Maybe good ideas are just not enough. You need to be Google or Apple to succeed in the game. I hope they get bought by RIM... that will be good for both of them.
@a dumb cat
Can't be mad at Josh? Why in the world would you be mad?
I'm a Pre owner and I love WebOS. I also agree 100% on every point with Josh. He hit all the nails on the head. Those are the real problems, and the real solutions.
@southern78
I agree, webos seems pretty promising, too bad it can only run on the pre... Would be another good thing to slap into an HTC phone, or a broader palm phone lineup...
@Standingfast thing is, if Palm releases a nice device this sumer, with an nice update like the 1.4 bump, you might be seeing a really desirable device. I think Palm is rediscovering their own abilities, and if anything, this rough period might make them better than they would have been without it. Remember, Palm has one advantage that Apple/Google/Rim/Nokia/Microsoft doesn't have, they can rapidly change direction because of their size. Mistakes don't amplify like they do in organizations that size. I think we're going to see new hardware from palm by this summer, but they're in a tough spot since they need to sell the phones they've currently made, before they out their new device. The biggest piece of advice, is don't show us something we need to wait 4 months to get. Show it and start shipping in 2-4 weeks, otherwise Apple and Google and Microsoft are going to start growing mindshare as they get closer to their summer launches.
@mynk AH HA! Found it. There it is. Right there. It was right there all along.
@BergerFan Honestly I love my Pre to the extent I love WebOS and Seidio's giant battery + fatty case extension. I got used to my chubby Pre but honestly without it I would have sent it back because 4hrs of battery life isn't a joke, it's a crime.
@Smart People Play Tuba I'm ranting too. In fact I'm not the only one. Just check on how many threads on PreCentral about trying to get the Telcel units unlocked, check at HKPUG how many people in Hong Kong importing O2 units. Palm's not reaching where the demand is and is so up its head about exclusive deals. This is not the time to let carriers to hold you back. Fuck the carriers.
And I'll say it again: sell the damn thing unlocked already.
@Smart People Play Tuba
And seriously Palm. You're into the Internet and the social networks right? That's what the Pre was designed for? Well check the facts there:
- Look at all the comments that mention "unlocked GSM Pre" and all get Highest Ranked
- Search on Twitter for "GSM Pre", look at all the people tweeting about it
- Check on PreCentral, that forum is pretty quiet but is mostly populated with either O2 unlockers or people trying to unlock the Telcel units
I don't know what more do you need to prove the unlocked unit will sell. You already have one sale here from me but you need to sell it to me first.
Carriers don't give a flying fuck about you, all they care is their lengthy contracts on their lousy network. Don't expect them to push for you, Look at Bell, they drop the Pre like it's hot when they launch the iPhone and HSPA, only TWO MONTHS after launching the Pre on their dying CDMA network.
I like my Pre. It's a pretty good little phone.
However, I don't think they've got the strength to stand alone... Palm just aren't significant enough any more. If you're a developer, which platform are you going to choose to focus your efforts on? Clearly it's going to be iPhone and Android plus possibly WM7 and Symbian. Not WebOS with its relatively small user base.
In my view, the most important thing they need to do (other than advertise hard - still nobody in the UK seems to recognise my phone) is quite simple. They're based on Linux so there's little reason why they can't integrate the open source Dalvik engine that powers Android's apps and "boom" - they have ability to run all the thousands of Android apps but can sell through their marketplace instead of Google's.
In one easy step they can nullify Android's key advantage over them and suddenly become a prettier, more user-friendly version of it.
@BergerFan
Indeed, go palm.
Also, very very nice article Josh, excellent read.
@BergerFan
This article is so skewed, biased, and hypocritical it's kinda funny. Thanks Engadget. :-)
@Smart People Play Tuba Unlocked means AT&T doesn't get to castrate it. Unlocked.
@BergerFan Palm read this and do something about it. People still remember the "great" Palm but you make it real had for us to love you and instead make us hate you. That is a real achievement by itself.
If only they will listen.... I still have my hopes with this device especially with their web.os upgrades: http://bit.ly/palm-os-ui-view
@DizWhiz indeed, the Seidio extended battery is essential. Having the extra life makes it a whole different device. And the chubby look and feel are fine. This should be an option @purchase, and would definitely catch on.
@ai4281 yeah I wonder how much of that has to with not having enough money or resources. Running low on cash so you have to release and hope the sales revenue can match a large portion of operating costs. By doing so you don't have a proper SDK ready but you hope the sleekness will be enough to move units. After all the original version of the iPhone had nothing and sold very well.
But Palm isn't Apple. They have no super successful iPod to tie their device to and no cash to heavily advertise like Apple can. The end result is unfortunately not pretty.
@ai4281
one of the best posts I've read in a long time. WebOS' success isn't just about the device or the UI. Its really about access to services, manufacturing capacity, supply chain, carrier partnerships, and above all, marketing.
I have no idea why any manufacturer is allowing a carrier to control its marketing post-iPhone. The ads for both carriers were booty bad. Carriers should unleash the manufacturer's and allow them to develop their own images, and allow carriers input but not control of that image.
Also, unless Palm develops some compelling services for its range of devices, its just an also ran, piggybacking on services tailored for other platforms. If you're a big MSN service user, why not WinPho7? Big on iTunes? iPhone would be perfect! Google services are great on Android. Ovi is only available on MeeGo and Symbian. What is Palm's specialty? The web? Multitasking? It is all just new ways of doing what everyone else is doing. What will WebOS allow that no one else can provide? So far, nothing outside its UI, which is pretty but nothing revolutionary to sway anyone from Symbian, MeeGo, RIM, Android, or WinPho/WinMo. Palm needs to do more.
@BergerFan I am not looking for a Palm team to make another revolutionary device. The Pre is pretty good but what is lacking how are you gonna make this thing usable. Yes it can make calls, it can play music and browse the web. But all these features are standard now a days but it seems they cannot figured it out. What happened to the Palm app store back in the Palm Pilot days. The sync to organize your music and other datas. The have the smartest people but they cannot build a software to work with the Pre it's ridiculous. Why play a cat and mouse game with Apple's iTunes? They should build their own software for organizing and synching your music, videos, documents and applications. What is so hard about this when they have all the talented people working with them. Are we missin' somethin'?
Hey Josh
Don't release the new Palm on Sprint? Why so much hatred for Sprint?
Palm should be able to build their phones with both types of radios and sell to any of the big 4. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop encouraging Palm to disassociate itself with Sprint, as I've seen you do it since the first engadget show. I don't know what Sprint has done to make you so jaded, but I do know they advertise quite a bit on this site. Maybe you should be a little more grateful.
@DizWhiz Yes, the initial battery life of a Pre was terrible. Now, it's well on par with other phones in its category.
@sweet greggo I didn't that his statement as "Hating" on Sprint at all. It was more about the exclusive agreement with them which wasn't a smart thing to do in the first place. It was smart in the shot term because Sprint footed the bill for the marketing (which turned out bad anyway) but not in the long term. I don't think there is anything wrong with Sprint but when you are trying to come back from the dead, exclusive carrier agreements are just plane foolish. Imagine where we would be if the iPhone was on all the different carriers?!
@BergerFan
The Rube will be heading back to the beach within 18 months and the dick-head at Elevation partners might need to take a calmative and explain to investors how they burned through hundreds of millions of their money.....
The whacked-out ad campaigns are a function of a phone that had no targeted audience and no compelling reason to exist.
I agree the ad campaigns are terrible but how would you try and advertise this phone? It tried to be the best of iPhone and Blackberry and ended up being better than neither of these devices.
RIM and iPhone have clear benefits and targeted audiences.
Verizon have spent a lot of money on the Driod, and M$ are M$ so WinMo7 has a good chance. PalmOS has no clear benefit or audience and therefore no compelling reason to exist.
Still ..I have hopes on Palm since webOS is better than all OS in market.
1. Kill the Pixi
2. Release one more model with same size of Pixi...with out keyboard. Get big screen like 3.5 or 3.8.
3. Two devices ...one with keyboard other without keyboard. Should have same specs in both models. Minimum screen size 3.5
4. Most important is GSM in USA. AT&T is always better for phone companies. Don't go with Verizon or Sprint.
5. Increase the size to 16gb min
6. Get the new product like palm Foleo, turn it as iPad. Palm will come back no.1 again.
Palm is going in right track technically...but marketing team is terrible.
Engadget hit it on the nail, for the most park.
I can understand that internal reasoning Palm must've had for a lot of their moves. They followed a 1st-Gen iPhone-like path of doing a paper launch almost half a year before it was actually available, releasing it June, and bringing along the SDK and app store along later. But as Engadget pointed out, this was fine 3-4 years ago, before the iPhone and Apple App Store, but you can't do this in the current market with competition coming at you left and right.
I can't stress how important it is for Palm to invest in much better built hardware. I switched to the Pre just a month after launch and in the six month I had it, I went through FOUR Palm Pres. Two had bad screens and two had the audio problem that made the phone think a headset was plugged in. Almost all of them had the slider whobble. Finally in January I had to switch to a different phone and now I have the HTC Hero and while Android is decent, I miss the multitasking gesture-swiping ease of the Pre.
Built like a tank? Come on. I understand the need for a more solid, more durable phone. But changing the beautiful curvy astetics for the harsh sharp lines of the Droid would be a mistake and a turn off. Subsequently, a landscape keyboard may be nice on another model, but the compact portrait slide-out physical keyboard was one of my favorite things about the Pre. Just make sure the easy to read orange numeric colors aren't removed like on the Pre Plus for Verizon. Oh, and please provide an option for an onscreen keyboard (QWERTY AND T9) to type out quick text message responses.
The Touchstone was a brilliant idea and something that needs to be given more attention. Pack in a Touchstone for free in future models. Also develop Touchstone kits for mounting into cars, a desire held by many owners.
The software has issues too. I remember being prompted and forced almost daily to update to some new version I had already updated to.
5 minutes for the phone to boot up? Come on, that's ridiculous.
The WebOS App Store is whack and really needs a major overhaul. Browsing for apps is a painful experience. Redesign it so that people can view screenshots of the app they're interested in. Being able to browse for apps on a computer like the Apple App Store on iTunes would also help tremendously and I believe the inisitive announced during CES to allow websites to create web based WebOS app store front site is a big step in that direction.
A major problem with the Sprint Palm Pre was the hardware limitations that caused the "Too Many Cards Open" errors that made the WebOS experience maddeningly frustrating. A problem that the Pre Plus seems to have addressed with it's extra memory.
Yes, the exclusive partnership with Sprint (along with the disaster of a marketing campaign) hurt the Pre.
But the answer isn't to keep the future WebOS phones away from Sprint.
It's to release get them out, at launch, amongst all carriers.
@archkron
Juvenile huh?
Will you call everyone here a big fine woman when they back that ass up?
@pbd Pre is definitely a nice phone. I considered it too but the hardware isn't really designed for a man with big hands. Other then the beautiful games I am not sure what the Palm can do that an Android phone cant? Things you described Android does could you elaborate please.
I just think Palm needs better hardware and needed to go the Open Source route to really have made some strides in this market.
i don't think they should have targeted the american market as their main audience, that was always going to be a tough fight.. or they at least could have scheduled launches in other countries along side the american launch
@glenskey
They already know what to do and they have done it before. It's time to make Android versions of the Pre! If you can't beat em...join em.
@glenskey
Ive wanted to buy an unlocked Pre in the UK for ages, you just cant get them easily. Forget trying to get the Pixi or plus versions.
Why would Palm reduce the amount of chances to buy the hardware?
@Bobbo That is the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard. webOS is superior to Android in so many ways. To see webOS die with Palm would be criminal.
@laze
Hey, Hey.. let's not be startin' a flame war here. Android is superior to webOS in as many, or more, ways as webOS is to it.. webOS has the ease of usability and multitasking, but android get's the points for features and integration
mmkay?
@laze Say what you will, but I was torn between a Pre Plus and a Droid, and Android won me over. Not as easy to use, but SO much more capable and customizable.