@WP7S The Courier doesn't exist yet, stop trolling. If it comes out as the concept suggests it will be great and will probably "take the throne" but it only exists on a couple of videos, on Engadget.
@WP7S Well as much as I hate this whole hoopla over the iPad and iPhone I have to agree with them right now. iPad is the only tablet out on the market as of tomorrow, so that automatically gives it the first and last place. I, also, do believe that when other tablets start coming out they will be much better just for the fact that once you go multitasking you can never go back.
@1q2w3e4r AHHH the great engadget comment system .... the comment to which i was replaying to was removed faster than i was able to type out my response.
No, but the media is already trying to "move the language" in order to say just that.
IPad like - Any tablet made in the past 10 years would fit that
iPad format - whatever that means
iPad clones - again, meaningless phrase seeing that Apple didn't invent the things.
Since they've ignored these devices for years, only to now pretend like they've loved the for-factor all along, it isnt surprising how many people will believe that they didnt exist before now.
They put forward the advertising dollars and had the luxury of a media willing to shill their product from rumor to release stage.
There was no interest in tablets until you had a machine to tell us there was.
From what I hear as the reason why these folks want one, I can clearly see they have never actually even seen a tablet before, and have NO idea how different reality is from what they have been sold on.
Because let's face it. None of these pre-order people have even touched this thing outside their imaginations.
@LAY It's iPad-like but all the next generation of slate tablets will imitate the concept Apple has been pushing. Multi-touch screens, reduced complexity. JooJoo could have made a concept first, but Apple is the one making it popular. Thus, iPad-like, Post-iPad.
@swanle For people interesed in Computer history: Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook "The Dynabook concept was created by Alan Kay in 1968, two years before the founding of Xerox PARC. Kay wanted to make “A Personal Computer For Children Of All Ages.” The ideas led to the development of the Xerox Alto prototype, which was originally called “the interim Dynabook”.[1][2] It embodied all the elements of a graphical user interface, or GUI, as early as 1972. The software component of this research was Smalltalk, which went on to have a life of its own independent of the Dynabook concept. The Dynabook concept described what is now known as a laptop computer or, (in some of its other incarnations) a tablet PC or slate computer with nearly eternal battery life and software aimed at giving children access to digital media. Adults could also use a Dynabook, but the target audience was children."
@swanle Where can I find info on the other capacitive tablets released over the past few years? Which ones have a touch based OS instead of a desktop OS? I'm not trying to cause trouble or incite any negative comments; I actually really want to look these up as I'm interested in this...
You and LAY are going to share the prize for "I still don't get why the iPad is going to sell into the millions even though it's excruciatingly obvious" award.
Did you mean, "Which tablets are running a mobile phone OS instead of a real OS?"
As for capacitive ... it's not what everyone wants. I'll bet anything that the Courier will be resistive. Simple reason is that resistive is more precise. Depending on how you are using your device one screen tech is better than another.
@Beatnik Kay is awesome guy. but unfortunately most young people does not interest in history channel(which I think great channel with Discovery). They are watching MTV(which only show BS)
Dynabook is great research and concept. However it does not mention network because Kay did not know internet will be huge like now.
I would say there is huge involvement of Media. Old Media wanna go back to the time when they had iron-fist, they think apple will be answer.
anyway I like apple product, just i don't like App store system. Think about You can download iPad app from anywhere(without Apple's control) it will be real fun
@swanle show me one SLATE touch tablet over the past 10 years then. ONe with itunes, games, apps, ebooks, movies, rentals, TV shows, podcasts and audiobooks. Your talking out your a**. No tablet before the iPad had this form factor and its itunes integration. NONE of these tablets will access itunes. Tablets are more than "being said" to be iPad like. Its like smart phones. They all wanna look and work like the iphone. I don't wanna run windows on my slate. I don't want a desktop os on a mobile device. I don't want an os coded for mouse input with a layer of touch on top. I want the iPad os that was coded from the ground up to input by touch. No mouse ANYWHERE. You don't get it. I pad has cognitive touch screen with multi input gestures. No netbook or tablet has been like that. Brought nothing new? Your one jealous and spiteful apple hater. The iPad is changing things just as the iphone did. And when Im sitting next to you on the bus and I'm reading my full color full sized marvel comics app you can be thankful how much your netbook/tablet is like the iPad. The Courier? Why? SO i can get something in between the screen and not know it when i shut it and scratch it or bust it? You wanna pull out a BOOK and open it just to fire of an email? The courier will be good for some but not reach the audience the iPad does. It look more for productivity than media consumption. A dual screen touch with a stylus will be a fail. And I'm sure it will run the win7 series phone OS, just like the iPad runs the iphone os. No flash, no multi tasking. Everyone says the iPad is useless, id rather have a netbook but then the same people turn around and say they cant wait for the courier or google tablet. They will ignore the courier not having flash etc because its not apple. Just accept it. Apple has changed things and before the iPad and iphone the landscape was bleak. You can say Apple didn't do this or apple didn't do that all you want. After Saturday things will be different for mobile computing. Love it or hate it Apple has pushed the industry forward once again.
@Emeek You're forgetting the iPod Touch XL aka iPad had leverage of yrs to get where it's at. And that's thanks to fanboys who buy whatever they're shown. That's how the app store came about. http://i.imgur.com/uzLKA.jpg
@bjsguess Wow that's your big retort to my question the whole 'phone' OS misdirection? So let me get this straight... You thrown CoaCoa Touch based OS on anything other than a phone and it's a horrible idea but you can put android on anything you want and everyone thinks it's a great idea? Well let me answer you with a simple no, I don't mean which tablets run a phone OS instead of a full OS because with that definition, Android tablets would fall under your intentionally obtuse statement as well. I mean which tablets run an OS that was built from the ground up to be a touch based OS and not just a desktop OS that's haphazardly thrown on a touch device. Not sure if you knew this mate but tablets with desktop OS's have been out for a decade now and not to burst your bubble or anything but they haven't been the best thing since sliced bread either (not saying the iPad is though). Next, I never claimed capacitive was better than resistive. That's a very relative value. I'm merely asking about other capacitive based tablets because:
1.) I prefer capacitive (not saying they are the best I just personally like them). 2.) The OP said that the iPad wasn't the first capacitive tablet based PC out there and I genuinely wanted to learn more about the others because that's what I'm interested in.
It's sad when someone really wants to be objective but is somehow a target because he doesn't carry the same misplaced hatred toward one particular product as everyone else. :( Also not sure if you knew this (you probably didn't because hate doesn't need facts to be passionate) but the iPad's OS is a TABLET OS, not the run of the mill installation of the iPhone OS... The core visual elements (colors, side scrolling hierarchal menu systems, vertical kinetic scrolling etc..) but there are many UI and design elements on the iPad that ARE NOT on the iPhone such as the pop over menus and stacked layouts etc... Thusly the iPad doesn't run a phone OS. It runs an OS designed for 'slate' devices that was first tested out on smaller devices that just happened to be phones. Now back to my original question because I really do want to look these devices up so I can see if they are something I'm interested in...
@swanle: What a clown. What can you buy from anyone that delivers a similar experience as the iPad. I'm including hardware, OS, apps, ecosystem, support and future dev.
You Apple haters have really gone off the rails. What an epic fail you represent. Might as well get out of the tech and gadget business, because I've touched the future, and it has an Apple logo on it.
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@WP7S The Courier doesn't exist yet, stop trolling. If it comes out as the concept suggests it will be great and will probably "take the throne" but it only exists on a couple of videos, on Engadget.
@d0mth0ma5 In the time it took me to reply, @WP7S got removed, now thats a flash in the pan. no pun intended.
@WP7S
Well as much as I hate this whole hoopla over the iPad and iPhone I have to agree with them right now. iPad is the only tablet out on the market as of tomorrow, so that automatically gives it the first and last place. I, also, do believe that when other tablets start coming out they will be much better just for the fact that once you go multitasking you can never go back.
@1q2w3e4r
AHHH the great engadget comment system .... the comment to which i was replaying to was removed faster than i was able to type out my response.
@swanle
No, but the media is already trying to "move the language" in order to say just that.
IPad like - Any tablet made in the past 10 years would fit that
iPad format - whatever that means
iPad clones - again, meaningless phrase seeing that Apple didn't invent the things.
Since they've ignored these devices for years, only to now pretend like they've loved the for-factor all along, it isnt surprising how many people will believe that they didnt exist before now.
@reader1
Um, no.
They put forward the advertising dollars and had the luxury of a media willing to shill their product from rumor to release stage.
There was no interest in tablets until you had a machine to tell us there was.
From what I hear as the reason why these folks want one, I can clearly see they have never actually even seen a tablet before, and have NO idea how different reality is from what they have been sold on.
Because let's face it. None of these pre-order people have even touched this thing outside their imaginations.
@LAY It's iPad-like but all the next generation of slate tablets will imitate the concept Apple has been pushing. Multi-touch screens, reduced complexity. JooJoo could have made a concept first, but Apple is the one making it popular. Thus, iPad-like, Post-iPad.
@swanle
For people interesed in Computer history:
Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook
"The Dynabook concept was created by Alan Kay in 1968, two years before the founding of Xerox PARC. Kay wanted to make “A Personal Computer For Children Of All Ages.” The ideas led to the development of the Xerox Alto prototype, which was originally called “the interim Dynabook”.[1][2] It embodied all the elements of a graphical user interface, or GUI, as early as 1972. The software component of this research was Smalltalk, which went on to have a life of its own independent of the Dynabook concept.
The Dynabook concept described what is now known as a laptop computer or, (in some of its other incarnations) a tablet PC or slate computer with nearly eternal battery life and software aimed at giving children access to digital media. Adults could also use a Dynabook, but the target audience was children."
@swanle Where can I find info on the other capacitive tablets released over the past few years? Which ones have a touch based OS instead of a desktop OS? I'm not trying to cause trouble or incite any negative comments; I actually really want to look these up as I'm interested in this...
@swanle
You and LAY are going to share the prize for "I still don't get why the iPad is going to sell into the millions even though it's excruciatingly obvious" award.
@mrt2
Did you mean, "Which tablets are running a mobile phone OS instead of a real OS?"
As for capacitive ... it's not what everyone wants. I'll bet anything that the Courier will be resistive. Simple reason is that resistive is more precise. Depending on how you are using your device one screen tech is better than another.
@Beatnik Kay is awesome guy. but unfortunately most young people does not interest in history channel(which I think great channel with Discovery). They are watching MTV(which only show BS)
Dynabook is great research and concept. However it does not mention network because Kay did not know internet will be huge like now.
I would say there is huge involvement of Media. Old Media wanna go back to the time when they had iron-fist, they think apple will be answer.
anyway I like apple product, just i don't like App store system. Think about You can download iPad app from anywhere(without Apple's control) it will be real fun
@swanle show me one SLATE touch tablet over the past 10 years then. ONe with itunes, games, apps, ebooks, movies, rentals, TV shows, podcasts and audiobooks. Your talking out your a**. No tablet before the iPad had this form factor and its itunes integration. NONE of these tablets will access itunes. Tablets are more than "being said" to be iPad like. Its like smart phones. They all wanna look and work like the iphone. I don't wanna run windows on my slate. I don't want a desktop os on a mobile device. I don't want an os coded for mouse input with a layer of touch on top. I want the iPad os that was coded from the ground up to input by touch. No mouse ANYWHERE. You don't get it. I pad has cognitive touch screen with multi input gestures. No netbook or tablet has been like that. Brought nothing new? Your one jealous and spiteful apple hater. The iPad is changing things just as the iphone did. And when Im sitting next to you on the bus and I'm reading my full color full sized marvel comics app you can be thankful how much your netbook/tablet is like the iPad. The Courier? Why? SO i can get something in between the screen and not know it when i shut it and scratch it or bust it? You wanna pull out a BOOK and open it just to fire of an email? The courier will be good for some but not reach the audience the iPad does. It look more for productivity than media consumption. A dual screen touch with a stylus will be a fail. And I'm sure it will run the win7 series phone OS, just like the iPad runs the iphone os. No flash, no multi tasking. Everyone says the iPad is useless, id rather have a netbook but then the same people turn around and say they cant wait for the courier or google tablet. They will ignore the courier not having flash etc because its not apple. Just accept it. Apple has changed things and before the iPad and iphone the landscape was bleak. You can say Apple didn't do this or apple didn't do that all you want. After Saturday things will be different for mobile computing. Love it or hate it Apple has pushed the industry forward once again.
@Emeek
You're forgetting the iPod Touch XL aka iPad had leverage of yrs to get where it's at. And that's thanks to fanboys who buy whatever they're shown. That's how the app store came about.
http://i.imgur.com/uzLKA.jpg
@bjsguess Wow that's your big retort to my question the whole 'phone' OS misdirection? So let me get this straight... You thrown CoaCoa Touch based OS on anything other than a phone and it's a horrible idea but you can put android on anything you want and everyone thinks it's a great idea? Well let me answer you with a simple no, I don't mean which tablets run a phone OS instead of a full OS because with that definition, Android tablets would fall under your intentionally obtuse statement as well. I mean which tablets run an OS that was built from the ground up to be a touch based OS and not just a desktop OS that's haphazardly thrown on a touch device. Not sure if you knew this mate but tablets with desktop OS's have been out for a decade now and not to burst your bubble or anything but they haven't been the best thing since sliced bread either (not saying the iPad is though). Next, I never claimed capacitive was better than resistive. That's a very relative value. I'm merely asking about other capacitive based tablets because:
1.) I prefer capacitive (not saying they are the best I just personally like them).
2.) The OP said that the iPad wasn't the first capacitive tablet based PC out there and I genuinely wanted to learn more about the others because that's what I'm interested in.
It's sad when someone really wants to be objective but is somehow a target because he doesn't carry the same misplaced hatred toward one particular product as everyone else. :(
Also not sure if you knew this (you probably didn't because hate doesn't need facts to be passionate) but the iPad's OS is a TABLET OS, not the run of the mill installation of the iPhone OS... The core visual elements (colors, side scrolling hierarchal menu systems, vertical kinetic scrolling etc..) but there are many UI and design elements on the iPad that ARE NOT on the iPhone such as the pop over menus and stacked layouts etc... Thusly the iPad doesn't run a phone OS. It runs an OS designed for 'slate' devices that was first tested out on smaller devices that just happened to be phones. Now back to my original question because I really do want to look these devices up so I can see if they are something I'm interested in...
@Emeek angry fanboi is angry!
@swanle: Get real. Semantics aside, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, that delivers the iPad experience.
@swanle: What a clown. What can you buy from anyone that delivers a similar experience as the iPad. I'm including hardware, OS, apps, ecosystem, support and future dev.
You Apple haters have really gone off the rails. What an epic fail you represent. Might as well get out of the tech and gadget business, because I've touched the future, and it has an Apple logo on it.
@Ariel Bender Lol. The iPad hasn't even been released yet, but clearly you already know all about the "iPad experience". Seriously LOL