@Angelworks Exactly.. Even months after it's released they will claim it's an early build and needs to be fixed. Why sell it to people and charge a fortune for something that sucks shit and doesn't work as demonstrated!? Nokia is so frustrating.
@Angelworks Excuse me? Their E-Series phones were some of the best phones released during their times. The N95 is one of the most popular smartphones ever. The N97 was indeed a flop, but the 5800 sold like crazy in the UK and mainland EU.
Sweeping statements like that will get you labeled as a fan boy. Learn to generalize without exaggerating, or making things up.
@Angelworks The N97 was a faulty device, they were rushed into the touch-screen business along with all other manufracturers because of Apple, so they tried and failed.
TBH, all smartphones with touch capabilities that came out in that time-frame, were bad. Nokia was by far the best when it came to it's OS, yes it wasn't touch friendly, but it was more functional and still is most functional up to date.
Also, as soon as this comes out i'll sell my 3GS for it. I'm tired of crappy headphones, usb cables and mediocre apple policy.
@Angelworks Yes I do mean other phones other than the N97. My brother has an e71x that crashes on startup that requires he remove the battery, then it starts up ok.
My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features - even though it was released around the same time.
The N97 I have right now is a lemon - it works for the most part, but every single thing on it is slow and clunky, it crashes a lot, apps close because it doesn't have enough memory and they are buggy. I really am so jaded I'd never buy another Nokia phone ever again, and I'd warn ANYONE thinking about the N8 to read lots of reviews before even thinking about getting one.
If they gave me one - I'd use it, but I'd never spend good money (no matter how much) on a N8.
@M3 Creative criticism in any forum related to Nokia is labeled as "Fanboy" even if the criticism is coming from a Nokia owner or a nokia fanatic... Most people who criticize certain shortcomings off Nokia products which heeds to deaf ear at Espoo. I quit iPhone and came to nokia X6 my first touchscreen..and cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the product..Never thought Nokia would sell a product like that with that OS. Nokia might have sold millions of touchscreen 5800s...but they are loosing mindshare when it comes to S60 OS 5. We all hope symbian ^3 and ^4 are better OS...but the fact off the matter is that it is an uphill battle for them to win back their customers who moved to iPhone and Android OS. N8 seems to be a good device...but my skepticism is what's running it and how user friendly it is...
@Angelworks "My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features - even though it was released around the same time."
What were the other 9/10ths, touchscreen?
Mind you, the N95 had a GPS, FF-cam, and 3G before the iPhone.
N95 had 1/10th the features of the iPhone? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? The first iPhone lacked at least 30 basic features of the 2006 N95. It took Apple 2 years with the 3GS to put all the shit in the N95. STILL, it has less features. Unless you consider touchscreen a feature - no, 47 features in one.
@Angelworks "My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features"
You got to be kidding me. Featurewise the N95 was one of the most complete smartphones of its time, starting with HSDPA, GPS, a good camera, to things like TV out, a SIP client, a VPN client, a comprehensive BT stack and so on... The original iPhone sucked ass (again, featurewise) compared to it.
And miniUSB, barcode reader, tether, modem capability, camera flash, CZ optics, FREE ONBOARD MAPS, file system... but all these dozens of features put together are nothing compared to the power of the concentrated Kool-Aid that is... scrolling content with your finger.
@DaHauns Great, but when it came to text messaging, or actually using any of those apps it really sucked - at least for me it did. My N95 wasn't all that special because it lacked a keyboard - if it had one I'd still be using it right now.
I guess what I should have said is I probably would have been happier with an iPhone (same price actually) since its user experience is better - even though on paper its inferior.
Man Nokia fanboys are way worse than the Apple people. You're talking to a guy who has had more Nokia phones than most people on here.
@Angelworks Yeah, maybe you should have. "I wasn't sold on the interface itself, the hardware was fine but I didn't like S60." makes much more sense from the starting line.
And anybody responding to you would have agreed with you. I agree with you that S60, while functional and capable, isn't that pretty of an OS unless you skin it.
Instead, you're taking the low road now and calling us all Nokia fanboys. Doesn't really help the situation in hindsight, does it?
@N900 No the Symbian interface is just fine - its clunky and outdated, but its functional. That's actually not my beef with my N97. Its every single system that runs under it that seems like its a prototype. Having worked in software development it feels completely unfinished - it feels like it could have used another year or so. To make it match the promo video for the N97 would have easily took another year to finish.
The N95 is hard to compare - I used one for at least a year before "upgrading" to the N97. Its input method was really unsuitable for a smartphone so I never really got to push it as hard as I have the N97, but it didn't ever crash, lock up and it doesn't feel as slow as the N97 - even when browsing the net.
When the N97 shipped the iPhone 3G was already out, and android was making serious headway into the smartphone world - there really is no excuse for the treatment Nokia has given it. There response seems be - buy the N8, buy the N900 - never have they even made a serious attempt at solving its more core issues.
My last straw was when Ovi Maps came out for free - I couldn't even install it without clearing up space on C:\ - because get this - it won't install anywhere else... Wow... 32 sodding gigs of ram, and you can't even touch it.
I honestly believe Nokia has contempt for their customers.
@DaHauns indeed, i still use my N95 today. GPS fix is very fast and the phone is still very useful.. except web-browsing probably.
Unfortunately while the N8 hardware is quite fine (good camera, hd video are the things i like - i made very good pictures on the N95 as well), the OS does look slow and dated, even on the commercial video, you can see how laggy it feels.
Going to wait for meego. With luck, they'll also rename it to something more sexy.
Wrong. Firstly, Nokia were not rushed. They were the last major player to bring out touchscreen phones so they had plenty of time.
Secondly, the Nokia 5800 was their first touchscreen phone.
Thirdly, if nokia were rushed, they should not have been. If they were on the ball, they would have produced a good quality touchscreen even before the 5800. Innovation is the name of the game..not play catch up with competitors each and every year.
The N97 was being promoted near the end of 2008 and introduced June/July 2009. Thats enough time for the worlds biggest phone manufacturer to bring out a phone without bugs!
N95 have 1/10 the features as the iPhone when it was released? You completely lost all credibility there, as the N95 had countless features and specs the iPhone didn't have -- and in some (very few) cases, still doesn't have to this day.
@Angelworks Your brother had an E71x. A phone so basterdised by at&t firmware that anyone who had ever touched the original variant before ran away screaming!
Get your brother a standard e71/72 & he will be happy like the 15M+ users of the devices worldwide :)
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lol - nokia please (seriously) explain the N97, and to a lesser extent every single smart phone you've ever release?
I'll never buy another Nokia product for as long as I live because the N97.
@Angelworks
Exactly..
Even months after it's released they will claim it's an early build and needs to be fixed.
Why sell it to people and charge a fortune for something that sucks shit and doesn't work as demonstrated!? Nokia is so frustrating.
@Angelworks
Excuse me? Their E-Series phones were some of the best phones released during their times. The N95 is one of the most popular smartphones ever. The N97 was indeed a flop, but the 5800 sold like crazy in the UK and mainland EU.
Sweeping statements like that will get you labeled as a fan boy. Learn to generalize without exaggerating, or making things up.
@Angelworks The N97 was a faulty device, they were rushed into the touch-screen business along with all other manufracturers because of Apple, so they tried and failed.
TBH, all smartphones with touch capabilities that came out in that time-frame, were bad. Nokia was by far the best when it came to it's OS, yes it wasn't touch friendly, but it was more functional and still is most functional up to date.
Also, as soon as this comes out i'll sell my 3GS for it. I'm tired of crappy headphones, usb cables and mediocre apple policy.
@jellotime91 Nokia is not responsible for the failed intellect of most humans.
@Angelworks Yes I do mean other phones other than the N97. My brother has an e71x that crashes on startup that requires he remove the battery, then it starts up ok.
My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features - even though it was released around the same time.
The N97 I have right now is a lemon - it works for the most part, but every single thing on it is slow and clunky, it crashes a lot, apps close because it doesn't have enough memory and they are buggy. I really am so jaded I'd never buy another Nokia phone ever again, and I'd warn ANYONE thinking about the N8 to read lots of reviews before even thinking about getting one.
If they gave me one - I'd use it, but I'd never spend good money (no matter how much) on a N8.
@M3 Creative criticism in any forum related to Nokia is labeled as "Fanboy" even if the criticism is coming from a Nokia owner or a nokia fanatic...
Most people who criticize certain shortcomings off Nokia products which heeds to deaf ear at Espoo. I quit iPhone and came to nokia X6 my first touchscreen..and cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the product..Never thought Nokia would sell a product like that with that OS. Nokia might have sold millions of touchscreen 5800s...but they are loosing mindshare when it comes to S60 OS 5. We all hope symbian ^3 and ^4 are better OS...but the fact off the matter is that it is an uphill battle for them to win back their customers who moved to iPhone and Android OS. N8 seems to be a good device...but my skepticism is what's running it and how user friendly it is...
@livindreamer
"I quit iPhone and came to nokia X6 my first touchscreen"
Uh...the iPhone is a touchscreen so the X6 wasn't your first.
@Angelworks "My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features - even though it was released around the same time."
What were the other 9/10ths, touchscreen?
Mind you, the N95 had a GPS, FF-cam, and 3G before the iPhone.
@Angelworks
N95 had 1/10th the features of the iPhone? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? The first iPhone lacked at least 30 basic features of the 2006 N95. It took Apple 2 years with the 3GS to put all the shit in the N95. STILL, it has less features. Unless you consider touchscreen a feature - no, 47 features in one.
@Angelworks "My n95 I admit was rock solid, but it cost as much as an iPhone and had 1/10th the features"
You got to be kidding me. Featurewise the N95 was one of the most complete smartphones of its time, starting with HSDPA, GPS, a good camera, to things like TV out, a SIP client, a VPN client, a comprehensive BT stack and so on... The original iPhone sucked ass (again, featurewise) compared to it.
@N900 And multi-tasking, auto focus camera, native applications, FLASH... The list goes on
@fabarati
And miniUSB, barcode reader, tether, modem capability, camera flash, CZ optics, FREE ONBOARD MAPS, file system... but all these dozens of features put together are nothing compared to the power of the concentrated Kool-Aid that is... scrolling content with your finger.
@DaHauns Great, but when it came to text messaging, or actually using any of those apps it really sucked - at least for me it did. My N95 wasn't all that special because it lacked a keyboard - if it had one I'd still be using it right now.
I guess what I should have said is I probably would have been happier with an iPhone (same price actually) since its user experience is better - even though on paper its inferior.
Man Nokia fanboys are way worse than the Apple people. You're talking to a guy who has had more Nokia phones than most people on here.
@Angelworks Yeah, maybe you should have. "I wasn't sold on the interface itself, the hardware was fine but I didn't like S60." makes much more sense from the starting line.
And anybody responding to you would have agreed with you. I agree with you that S60, while functional and capable, isn't that pretty of an OS unless you skin it.
Instead, you're taking the low road now and calling us all Nokia fanboys. Doesn't really help the situation in hindsight, does it?
@N900 No the Symbian interface is just fine - its clunky and outdated, but its functional. That's actually not my beef with my N97. Its every single system that runs under it that seems like its a prototype. Having worked in software development it feels completely unfinished - it feels like it could have used another year or so. To make it match the promo video for the N97 would have easily took another year to finish.
The N95 is hard to compare - I used one for at least a year before "upgrading" to the N97. Its input method was really unsuitable for a smartphone so I never really got to push it as hard as I have the N97, but it didn't ever crash, lock up and it doesn't feel as slow as the N97 - even when browsing the net.
When the N97 shipped the iPhone 3G was already out, and android was making serious headway into the smartphone world - there really is no excuse for the treatment Nokia has given it. There response seems be - buy the N8, buy the N900 - never have they even made a serious attempt at solving its more core issues.
My last straw was when Ovi Maps came out for free - I couldn't even install it without clearing up space on C:\ - because get this - it won't install anywhere else... Wow... 32 sodding gigs of ram, and you can't even touch it.
I honestly believe Nokia has contempt for their customers.
@DaHauns
indeed, i still use my N95 today. GPS fix is very fast and the phone is still very useful.. except web-browsing probably.
Unfortunately while the N8 hardware is quite fine (good camera, hd video are the things i like - i made very good pictures on the N95 as well), the OS does look slow and dated, even on the commercial video, you can see how laggy it feels.
Going to wait for meego. With luck, they'll also rename it to something more sexy.
@GV
Wrong. Firstly, Nokia were not rushed. They were the last major player to bring out touchscreen phones so they had plenty of time.
Secondly, the Nokia 5800 was their first touchscreen phone.
Thirdly, if nokia were rushed, they should not have been. If they were on the ball, they would have produced a good quality touchscreen even before the 5800. Innovation is the name of the game..not play catch up with competitors each and every year.
The N97 was being promoted near the end of 2008 and introduced June/July 2009. Thats enough time for the worlds biggest phone manufacturer to bring out a phone without bugs!
@Angelworks
N95 have 1/10 the features as the iPhone when it was released? You completely lost all credibility there, as the N95 had countless features and specs the iPhone didn't have -- and in some (very few) cases, still doesn't have to this day.
@Angelworks Your brother had an E71x. A phone so basterdised by at&t firmware that anyone who had ever touched the original variant before ran away screaming!
Get your brother a standard e71/72 & he will be happy like the 15M+ users of the devices worldwide :)
@MarkAnderson My first Nokia touchscreen mate..not the first touchscreen.