Nokia Head of Design Marko Ahtisaari talks about priorities, competition, and future direction
Marko Ahtisaari will be a familiar name to Dopplr users, being both the CEO and one of the major investors in the startup's social networking software. Having been acquired by Nokia in late September 2009, his team now works to help Symbian regain its world-conquering ways while Marko himself has returned to Nokia to helm its Design group -- an outfit that, judging by the world's disappointment with the N97 and other devices, is frankly in need of some fresh ideas. So, when we were invited to meet him this morning for a journalist get-together where Marko hoped to "begin the conversation" about Nokia's future direction, we grabbed our pen, paper and DSLR and rushed off to go have a listen. The camera came in use when we got to handle a Nokia N8 prototype for the first time, but do join us after the break to see what else we learned.
This started off on a rather curious note, with Marko informing us that Nokia is doing more than anyone else to promote social change by allowing access to technology in the developing world. He noted the many millions of clocks and cameras that people have been able to obtain through owning a Nokia handset and lauded this democratization of technology that the Finnish mobile maker is apparently leading. While the company's line of ultra-affordable phones is indeed valuable in global economic terms, this was a bit of an underwhelming boast for gadget geeks like us and perhaps indicative of how Nokia feels about its current crop of top-tier devices. Most of what was to follow looked toward the future, that's for sure.
Nokia's future roadmap is drawn around a tripartite portfolio -- you'll have S40-class f... f... featurephones (No, bad blogger! It's a smartphone!), Symbian^3 and ^4 smartphones deluxe, and MeeGo-based godzilla smartphones. We can't guarantee those particular words were used in the meeting, but the portfolio "has to be smart right across." That means a plurality of things, firstly it means that the low-end devices will not be deprived of new features, like location-aware and social networking services, but it also means "UI style innovation," which you may decode as refreshments to the grid- and list-based means by which we're used to navigating our phones today.
MeeGo seems to be viewed as the platform with the greatest potential for innovation, given its larger screen, and there were some hints that those screens are only going to expand. Further probing around Nokia tablets or netbooks was unceremoniously dismissed and it really looks like the company will be knuckling down on sorting what Marko described as "truly mobile ... not luggable" hardware. One other thing he highlighted was that touchscreen interfaces nowadays require the user to constantly look at them, whereas it's in Nokia's DNA to produce devices that can be used easily with one hand or by the blind, and he left us with a big fat mystery to ponder about how that might be achieved with vast touchscreen devices. Haptic feedback (anyone heard from Haptikos lately? We're getting worried) was not ruled out, but it seemed like Nokia might try out some audio-based interface concepts and see where things might go.
Moving along to the new N8 flagship, Marko set out Nokia's new philosophy on how to push its top-tier handsets back into the limelight. To our ears, polished simplicity at the expense of rich feature lists is exactly what Apple's been doing with the iPhone all these years, but it should be no surprise that the same ethos is being reflected by Nokia's new design team. At the time that Marko rejoined the outfit, Nokia also acquired Apple exec John Martin, who had been responsible for internet and iPhone service strategy during his Cupertino days. Which is not to suggest that Nokia's working on some iPhone ripoff, as we were also told that diversity will play an important role in the company's decision making. No one single design language would be preferred above all others, and choices will be offered to all types of users -- at which point we were presented with a pink C3. Touché.
We had to also poke and prod on a couple of pet peeves of our own, starting with the integrated battery in the N8. If you're going to take cues from the iPhone, that's really not the one we'd advocate following, but Marko was categorical that the overall design concept took precedence in that case. He seemed to imply that the N8 just wouldn't have been as good, structurally and aesthetically, if it had to have a door for battery access. Then we asked about the move to capacitive touchscreens in Nokia's latest handsets, and while Marko wouldn't be drawn (old pro that he is) into expressing a preference for a particular type of touchscreen technology, he did agree that user interfaces cannot successfully be designed for both capacitive and resistive displays. Thus, in spite of some well known reluctance on Nokia's part, it does seem like the foreseeable future of Nokia touchscreens will be coming at us in capacitive form. We thought you'd wanna know, wherever you may stand on this issue.
On the topic of Nokia's lack of mindshare on American shores, Marko expressed his hope (or was it intent?) that Nokia will surge back into users' consciousness, particularly on the back of the N8 and a renewed focus on competing at the high end. Oh, and about that potential QWERTY slider variant of the N8? No hardware was confirmed, but the company is committed to offering multiple form factors, and other hints about lower-tier Symbian^3 devices would point to a pretty healthy likelihood of its emergence. So that's that, Nokia's still designing, the world's still spinning, and we've still got more questions than answers about the new OS and user experience. Wouldn't want it any other way though, would ya?
This started off on a rather curious note, with Marko informing us that Nokia is doing more than anyone else to promote social change by allowing access to technology in the developing world. He noted the many millions of clocks and cameras that people have been able to obtain through owning a Nokia handset and lauded this democratization of technology that the Finnish mobile maker is apparently leading. While the company's line of ultra-affordable phones is indeed valuable in global economic terms, this was a bit of an underwhelming boast for gadget geeks like us and perhaps indicative of how Nokia feels about its current crop of top-tier devices. Most of what was to follow looked toward the future, that's for sure.
Roadmap
Nokia's future roadmap is drawn around a tripartite portfolio -- you'll have S40-class f... f... featurephones (No, bad blogger! It's a smartphone!), Symbian^3 and ^4 smartphones deluxe, and MeeGo-based godzilla smartphones. We can't guarantee those particular words were used in the meeting, but the portfolio "has to be smart right across." That means a plurality of things, firstly it means that the low-end devices will not be deprived of new features, like location-aware and social networking services, but it also means "UI style innovation," which you may decode as refreshments to the grid- and list-based means by which we're used to navigating our phones today.
MeeGo seems to be viewed as the platform with the greatest potential for innovation, given its larger screen, and there were some hints that those screens are only going to expand. Further probing around Nokia tablets or netbooks was unceremoniously dismissed and it really looks like the company will be knuckling down on sorting what Marko described as "truly mobile ... not luggable" hardware. One other thing he highlighted was that touchscreen interfaces nowadays require the user to constantly look at them, whereas it's in Nokia's DNA to produce devices that can be used easily with one hand or by the blind, and he left us with a big fat mystery to ponder about how that might be achieved with vast touchscreen devices. Haptic feedback (anyone heard from Haptikos lately? We're getting worried) was not ruled out, but it seemed like Nokia might try out some audio-based interface concepts and see where things might go.
N8, Symbian^3 and beyond
"Simplicity and polish ... really doing less things, but better -- particularly in software." |
We had to also poke and prod on a couple of pet peeves of our own, starting with the integrated battery in the N8. If you're going to take cues from the iPhone, that's really not the one we'd advocate following, but Marko was categorical that the overall design concept took precedence in that case. He seemed to imply that the N8 just wouldn't have been as good, structurally and aesthetically, if it had to have a door for battery access. Then we asked about the move to capacitive touchscreens in Nokia's latest handsets, and while Marko wouldn't be drawn (old pro that he is) into expressing a preference for a particular type of touchscreen technology, he did agree that user interfaces cannot successfully be designed for both capacitive and resistive displays. Thus, in spite of some well known reluctance on Nokia's part, it does seem like the foreseeable future of Nokia touchscreens will be coming at us in capacitive form. We thought you'd wanna know, wherever you may stand on this issue.
On the topic of Nokia's lack of mindshare on American shores, Marko expressed his hope (or was it intent?) that Nokia will surge back into users' consciousness, particularly on the back of the N8 and a renewed focus on competing at the high end. Oh, and about that potential QWERTY slider variant of the N8? No hardware was confirmed, but the company is committed to offering multiple form factors, and other hints about lower-tier Symbian^3 devices would point to a pretty healthy likelihood of its emergence. So that's that, Nokia's still designing, the world's still spinning, and we've still got more questions than answers about the new OS and user experience. Wouldn't want it any other way though, would ya?






















"we grabbed our pen, paper"
what happened to your macs?
@who said what they overheated
@who said what They realised they were garbage and Windows 7 is the was forward.
@who said what
Steve Jobs said they weren't allowed a stylus for the iPad, and they had to actually write stuff.
@adriannn "Windows 7 is the was forward"
Windows "is the was" indeed.
@HotFuzz ...Tell that to their 96% market share....
@who said what I don't own one. If you must know, I also brought a thinkpad edge 14 along. With Windows XP on it.
@Vlad Savov
I can understand the thinkpad... but why the dinosaur on it?
@who said what, I like the barebone look and feel, and it doesn't get in the way of work.
@who said what
XP's writing recognition is really good it even recognizes chicken scratch...
@adriannn depends really on your perception, although I think their N8 looks really sleek. There's a lot of room for improvement here. http://bit.ly/n8-nokia-creative-updates
I think it's a great direction. The N8 looks really nice.
@David Bailey It looks like a sidekick ate an iPhone.
@macserv
Right.... were it not for the fact that it absolutely does not resemble that at all.
@David Bailey Serious question here. If they want to sell it why the hell would they make it green?
@LargeFormat It's not only green. It also comes in silver,orange, blue, grey/black.
@David Bailey Nokia listen to me drop all these plans and get Nokia Morph to consumer then see who can beat that
@LargeFormat
true .. it's not easy being green :-)
Nokia must adopt Android. Whether you like it or not, the technology and Google's might in Search, plus the increasing 'cool' factor and popularity of Android devices means that platform has attracted those who do not follow the Apple mantra. Yes, Symbian is versatile, robust and handles tasks well, but it lacks the spit and polish of the next generation mobile OSes, period. And you cannot put lipstick on a pig. Further, and most importantly, Nokia produce innovative industrial design and jack of all trades good at them all hardware, from the split QWERTY keyboard models to the outstanding N95-8G Black (still a top device). Yes, Nokia have their excellent maps and the Ovi store, but the former can be bought into the world of Android and Google by merging the geographic data if need be. Ovi would need to remain to support current Symbian devices. I have not used the Ovi or Android stores, but hear they are not up to the levels of Apple's excellent App store, so perhaps Noogle could put something together?
Just a thought, so careful with the flames, I have equal respect for Nokia, Google and Apple.
@Oflife I disagree, Apple Macs for a long time were nothing but lipstick on a pig, with their spec woefully behind similarly priced Windows based machines, and the actual drivers for their hardware being written by Apple and not as good as the Windows counterparts. As people have just found out with Steam for the Mac.
I honestly don't think consumers bear abstract notions of what an OS should be in their heads when buying stuff. Its wether it looks good and does the job, and the N8 delivers, as well as being much cheaper than the iPhone. (I've heard from a symbian guy that it will be £320 on PAYG and free on a £25 per month contract for a year or 18 months)
@Oflife As much as you might want that, and as much sense as it might make to you, it's not going to happen. Nokia just pumped in an incredible amount of money to buy over symbian and make it open source, they're not just going to chuck all that cash out simply because your idea of Noogle was the only part of your comment that acquired a chuckle.
Nokia's isn't going to gift the smartphone market to Google just like that. So a lot of high end users have switched to Android/iPhone, so what? There are plenty of people still buying symbian devices, and that number though dropping, if market shares are to be believed, is still far from justifying declaring that massive investment a dead end and hopping on over to an OS in which companies like HTC have already such a solid foundation.
@brrip
Nokia should just keep making 3310. they just simply have no advantage v.s. apple/google in smartphone market.
@Oflife Well, I understand your point and where you’re trying to go with it, but keep in mind that Symbian is not the problem. Many people simply don't understand that Symbian is an excellent OS in many respects and certainly not outdated. The problems have all been with Nokia's implementation of the UI layer (e.g. S60). Many companies have used Symbian for a long time but simply applied their own UI layer. Nokia failed in it's willingness to modernize the UI, keeping with old, outdated conventions that have been blown away with the emergence of the iPhone and Android. What Nokia is doing with Symbian^3, and eventually Symbian^4, will involve a complete rework of the UI to bring the experience in line with modern expectations.
Regarding the adoption of Android, I have to disagree. Nokia has had their own flavor of Linux (Maemo) for quite a few years now, long before Android came along. The reason for it’s lack of popularity can be argued, but simply stated, Maemo is a powerhouse OS, and just as well equipped as Android, maybe even more so (from an openness perspective). Now that Nokia and Intel have partnered and merged their Linux efforts (Nokia’s Maemo and Intel’s Moblin = MeeGo) I can only see good things in the future, particularly in the campaign against Android.
So no, Nokia will never adopt Android and it would be crazy for them to do so. It simply doesn’t make sense, IMHO : )
@Oflife
You did not give one good reason why Nokia should adopt Android, besides your opinion about it being 'good'. Ummm, that's your opinion firstly and most importantly it states what the Android is right now: a fad. I'm not discredition Android, I'd consider it over Symbian anytime and it knocks the hell out of iPhone OS.
Symbian: Very open-sourced OS, easiest for devs.
Android: Open-sourced, but still restricted ot devs, google it out.
iPhone: You know better.
@Oflife
No flame here, but I think you are completely and utterly missing the broader perspective and long term strategy here. In a short while, Android will not be a differentiator anymore. People will skin it, slice it, dice it, you name it. Nokia and Samsung, who together sell 62% of all phones on the planet, both are chosing the do your own OS thing. (even though Sammy also does some Android)
Symbian, & Qt will be pushing really hard. Besides that, Nokia has MeeGo, which is in a class of its own. Compared to that, the other OS's are really pushcarts on a racetrack.
@ericlin
Thanks for you in depth analysis.
@Oflife
A better analogy would actually be, a very beautiful, fuel efficient, pimped out and powerful car, without a paintjob. All they need to do is paint it.
@brrip
Kinda like Palm spent all that money inventing PalmOS.. How'd that work out for them again?
@elijahblake
That remark is very shallow. There are virtually no analogies here. WebOS has no marketshare, Symbian is the largest OS in the world. For instance.
@Oflife People, have read all the comments. Nokia do provide excellent competition to Android, iPhone, BlackBerry etc, don't get me wrong (loved my E71), but what Google have in Search and Maps (have you tried their GPS Street View navigation?) cannot be ignored. They are turning the planet into a vast brain and features like Google Goggles and more will have profound implications on how we interact with our devices and information. If Nokia are able to 'run' Google apps on Symbian or embed some of their functionality within the OS (and their other next generation OSes), then that will be great.
It's all about information.
@Oflife, Symbian (s60 flavor at least) had native Google apps before Google even announced Android, so don't worry about that... On the other hand, Nokia has Maemo/MeeGo which is a category on its own - while far from polished, Android cannot come even close to its openness, power and potential features. There is really no sense for Nokia to adopt Android...
@Oflife By the way, I think the N8 looks great and the camera produces amazing images from the samples published so far. Just add some sparkle to the GUI and it could be a replacement for my iPhone 3GS 32G. Pending no suitable Android device in June 2010. Only one that's enticing to date is the HTC Desire. But it's not perfect.
@Oflife
Good point on information, But, seeing as Nokia has one of only two global mapping data sets, and that they are doing 3d laser modeling of the world now, with automatic metadata inclusion such as signage, street names, etc, they are building up a pretty impressive list database themselves. Add to that that they can use bing iso google, since MS and Nokia are friends now, have stuff like office communicator, and in due time full mobile office support adds to that.
Also, Nokia allows google services on their devices. No problem.
@elijahblake around 1.2billion in the pocket, not that bad a deal huh?
@David Bailey Nokia has been notorious for over pricing.
If not for the iPhone, these babies could easily cost more than $700.
@Ben64
What is your point. Overpricing does not exist. It is subjective. You get what you can get from the market. Something warrants it, hardware, software, emotion, something. The irony, now that Iphone's are "overpricing" it is different? I am asking, not flaming.
@Oflife Just to add to the Maps argument: Guess where Google buys a sizable chunk of map data from? Bingo.
@Oflife
After keeping track of Androids developements and readingthe hype, i decide to buy one and see for myslef. After a week i was back to Symbian, i just couldnt do what i wanted as easily and in my line of work i need to work fast.
Hence my E71 lives on as the daily work horse and i look forward to a proper update. (the E72 is no better for me)
The only thing that really apealled was the advanced version of google maps, so maybe Android on a slate like the Mini 5 would suit me better for maps an media and keep a small Symbian as.. a phone! lol
Looks like an iPhone in a shell, if you look really closely.
You can even tell the bezel!
@strandeddragon
oh. so you mean it looks like a phone ..
@strandeddragon You're right! It's got a screen, and a button. How did I not see that?
@coolkams03 Haha, the iPhone is just a rectangle with a shiny bezel, you're going to have to pull off a miracle to get a touchscreen phone to not look like a rectangle. It's nothing like the iPhone anyway.
@strandeddragon
oh man would i kill to have a nokia iphone design with s3/4, look at that beauty surged between alien armor it makes you want to believe
every time you look at a N8 it confuses you, sometimes it looks good but than you notice its weird face staring back at you and things get weird again.
Nokia.. don't even know how to say it anymore
@Zylam
it looks like an iphone!
@strandeddragon All these fools thinking Nokia copied iPhone when in fact Nokia was first with a rectangular phone with rounded square buttons on a touch screen a full 4 years before the iPhone. Google Nokia 7700 and Nokia 7710.
S40 is a featurephone OS, did they say otherwise? lol
@fernando
I think he just did not want to use the F-word on a geek website. :)
@fernando
Click the "pink C3" link. It leads to an article where Engadget categorised a S40 and two S60 phones as "dumbphones", upon which some posters (including yours truly :D ) raised a bit of a fuss, because whichever way you look at them, S40 is most definitely a feature phone and S60 a smartphone.
Sarov was just snarking on that incident. Brings back old memories, such fun, eh? :D
That integrated battery is crap....gotta take that with a grain of salt as it comes with a microusb charger too(finally).
@dagreatmighty1 Actually from what I've read, you can remove the battery by simply removing two screws, then sliding off the endcap.
http://www.mobile-geeks.com/2010/05/02/how-to-remove-the-battery-of-nokia-n8/