Undercover Chinese reporter exposes Foxconn working conditions (update: full English translation)
Some time in April, Chinese news site Southern Weekend sent its intern, Liu Zhiyi, on a 28-day undercover mission at Foxconn's Shenzhen factory, as part of an investigation on what could've led to this year's numerous suicides in one of China's largest factories. While the report doesn't comment on the company's management and support networks (or the lack of) for front-line workers, it appears that the real problem lies in Chinese workers' definition of a "good factory" -- one that pays more by means of offering overtime hours. It's clear what's causing this perception -- there's the sub-standard minimum wage in Shenzhen, and then there are the companies abusing this fact to lure workers with overtime hours above the legal limit.
Update: Thanks to Southern Weekend's exclusive permission, we've now published the full human translation of the Chinese report.
Update: Thanks to Southern Weekend's exclusive permission, we've now published the full human translation of the Chinese report.
As the reporter found out, under such environment that keeps ticking throughout the night, stress quietly builds up inside you. Any illness -- be it physical or mental -- accumulated from over-working would simply worsen at a higher rate. Want to talk to a friend about it? Not so easy for newcomers, as it turns out many of the workers didn't actually know the names of their roommates -- we assume this is partly due to the different dialects and shifts, and partly due to the lack of room welcoming for newbies. It's far from the boarding schools that you know of in the West, and needless to say, it can be super tough for first-time migrants.
Since this article came to light, we've also seen reports saying Foxconn has now set up support lines, stress relief rooms, counseling classes, and ¥200 ($29) rewards for reporting a colleague's mood disorder. Will these help at all? Sure, but not with ridding the root of the problem -- experts say that taking CPI into consideration, modern factory workers are being paid way less than the first generation Chinese migrant workers in the 80s. We can't help but to think that Foxconn's $565m net profit in Q1 2010 can somewhat rectify this, and we urge its clients -- Apple, Dell, HP, Sony, Amazon, etc. -- to look into this matter once again.
Below are some highlights from the report:
"Foxconn only recruits people around the age of 20. In comparison, being just under 23 years old, I was quickly brought into Foxconn."
"Their most sumptuous day is the 10th each month -- pay day. That day, all the ATMs and themed restaurants are packed with long lines, and consequently the ATMs are often drawn empty. The salary's made up of the ¥900 ($132) local minimum wage and the variable overtime pay."
"Each employee would sign a 'voluntary overtime affidavit,' in order to waive the 36-hour legal limit on your monthly overtime hours. This isn't a bad thing, though, as many workers think that only factories that offer more overtime are 'good factories,' because 'without overtime, you can hardly make a living.'"
"When talking about their colleagues' suicidal jumps, there was often a surprisingly calm reaction, and sometimes even a banter would be made about it, as if they were all outsiders."
"If you ask the workers what their dream is, you'll often get the same answer: start a business, make money, get rich, and then you can do whatever you want. In the warehouse, they humorously name their hydraulic trolleys 'BMWs.' They, of course, would rather own actual BMWs, or at least 'BMW' kind of wealth."
"The employees work, walk and eat at this [factory machineries'] beat, so no wonder I was walking so fast, eating so quickly without anyone hurrying me, even though it didn't feel good. You're like a component that's entered the assembly line, just following the rhythm, belonging to that heartbeat at 4am, no way to escape."
"This super factory that holds some 400,000 people isn't the 'sweatshop' that most would imagine. It provides accommodation that reaches the scale of a medium-sized town, all smooth and orderly."























This situation is prevalent in a lot of chinese factories. Foxconn makes to the news because its related to Apple.
@viditbhargava
China isn't the only place that has this problem either.
and Dell and Sony and HP and Amazon.... =|
Anyway, why do the workers have to pay for counseling? That's pretty much insult to injury. Those counselors (who had better be doing a good job) should be out of pocket from Foxconn, since these stressed-out workers are under their boot, after all.
That article pic makes me sad.
But look at the neat little hats they get to wear. Isn't that a fair trade-off? Just look at that cute little bow...
@viditbhargava
But isn't it a good thing that such a high profile company gets called out on it?
Hopefully the media storms over things like this will force a change in the system, for the little companies as well as the global giants.
@viditbhargava
Oh please, Foxconn makes stuff for a lot of other companies besides Apple. Don't try to turn this into some fake witch hunt against Apple.
@metaesapuet
but u know what? the chinese government was the only government that did almost no effort to it. the result from the Chinese police for the last guy that suicided was that he stabbed him 5 times, and jumped over a fence. Theres no equity in that society. One of my Chinese friend said: LIFE IS LIKE BEING RAPED, IF U CANT RESIST IT, U ENJOY IT. They dare not to do anything against the grand CCP. Even on the internet, theres an invisible great firewall to isolate them from the freedom world.
@admlshake Nobody was calling for a witch hunt against Apple. It was only mentioned because of the fact that Apple is the reason people recognize the name Foxconn. Otherwise the manufacturing company name would mean nothing to us.
@Spongecake
I'll admit it.
I laughed.
@eoeealknn
UltraSurf FTW
@viditbhargava This is all the same BS the companies all went through in the 80's the 90's and the 00's. Wh0-hoo some company is taking advantage of the low wage in their country and look how sad the employees are. This happens all over the world. It's not even limited to china or any thrid-world countries. It might even be happening right down the road from where you are now. This is just trumped up nonsense because all you apple fanboys are reading it.
@viditbhargava
Their 900 Yuan base salary is right at the national average monthly salary for "unskilled" or "uneducated" manufacturing jobs in China. This income is a pretty good deal for most of these people, and generally improves the quality of their family's lives.
You have to put everything in perspective.
@viditbhargava Why would it be news just because it's related to Apple? Foxconn has been working much longer and has manufactured many more products with HP, Dell, and Sony than with Apple. If anything Foxconn should be associated with HP.
@IamTheFij Anyone who knows anything about PCs would know Foxconn for being Foxconn...
@Narutogrey Just to clarify, I'm saying Foxconn should be associated with HP (as well as others) because they build many of their manufacturing plants together and have many joint investments.
Contrast that with Apple, all Foxconn does is build a couple products for them on contract.
@viditbhargava Thank you for another reason for me to feel good about switching to Android.
@Shokz
exactly, they make plenty of mobos.
@viditbhargava
Foxconn also sounds super evil
@jshamlin You're a moron if you believe Android phones are made in any better condition than this. If anything, the price pressure on Android phones is much greater than for the iphone, which means the manfacturers are going to turn the screw even harder....
All that red on the HTC Incredible is some overworked factory workers blood!
@viditbhargava
No the reason is a worker commited suicide based soley on harassement due to his loss of an Apple product. Sure maybe he should have been punished or even fired for losing an prototype, but to harass him until he commitied suicide is why Apple and Foxconn are under the spotlight. This is not to make light of other factories or other companies that hire Foxconn.
ONLY Apple's insane policies were ones that caused a suicide based on American originated policies. The rest are Chinese and Foxconn policies in regards to low wage and overtime and working conditions.
And even if you disagree with me, or are a blind Apple fan. This is a blessing in disguise. A call to action to improve working conditions everywhere. It also further makes it a joke that anyone one thing China was in any way Socialist. As poor working conditions is the opposite of what Socialist aims to achieve. No China is a totalitarian regime with snippets of Capitalism and Communism. But very little of Socialistic policies such as those found in Norway, UK, France etc...
@mattpez
nah, won't change Shit
it is a good thing for media companies, like saying they helped a kid in darfour, needs to be done every so often.
then the feeling in the population dissapears easilly. the best amnesia pill, why! go on a shopping spree, hit the plastic card, and buy chap stuff without thinking of foxcom anymore
@viditbhargava
Well, we all know that sh*t won't stick to Apple.
They will dodge this bullet, too.
@LJKelley And the five Foxconn workers who committed suicide in the first quarter of this year?
There is no way a correlation can be drawn, the way the people who jumped on the anti-Apple bandwagon want to believe.
In a population of 400,000 factory workers there are bound to be suicides or suicide attempts, you'd probably find that occurring almost anywhere on earth.
Is it higher, lower or the same?
@Spongecake
lol
@viditbhargava who cares about AppleT, they also said Dell, HP, Sony, Amazon,
@N900 ...read again and understand that is not what the article states: "($29) rewards for reporting a colleague's mood disorder", but anyway, not a supportive working environment clearly.
@Shokz
I know foxconn owns XFX...thats all one pc builder would know about foxconn here in the states..other than that...their tied to apple.
@jshamlin The majority of Android phones right now are made by HTC, which has an even poorer reputation in Taiwan than Foxconn. Whereas Foxconn has average worker wages, HTC is slightly below.
@N900 I didn't see anywhere that it said they have to pay for counseling
"Foxconn has now set up support lines, stress relief rooms, counseling classes, and ¥200 ($29) rewards for reporting a colleague's mood disorder."
@jaffreywali
Don't kid yourself no matter what extra price pressure Android handsets have, Apple doesn't pay anymore for their manufacturing; they just charge YOU the extra premium
@jaffreywali HTC phones are Made in Taiwan where the labor laws and standards are comparable to western standards. So no blood for the Incredible there.
@IamTheFij
That's not true, I used to buy Foxconn cases before I bought an Apple product..
@4ndr3W They're an independent manufacturer of motherboards in their own name (albeit generally low end) and they make a number of items for many other manufacturer's components.
@James Sonne really?
Hey, at least they're not farming virtual gold for Warcraft.
As long as you produce iPhones and secure big earnings for Apple... we people stop asking question...This has always existed, good it get the headlines sometimes
@DeviantmacG And Dell, and HP, and countless others. This problem isn't specific to Apple, its a pandemic across the entire tech sector.
An imperialist society abusing a communist society...
Apple, Dell, HP, Sony, Amazon, etc...
So basically, every company that makes Hardware in the world...seriously, this isn't a problem that can be solved in an instant. Almost every corporation that manufactures hardware sends its business to China. Consumers and End Users usually do not care where their products come from...When was the last time you bought an Apple product that said: "Produced by Fair Labour"...
There needs to a political solution on China's part, and a move by the companies to either enforce certain regulations on their producers, even if it comes as a hit on their revenues, or take initiative on moving their business elsewhere...I hear Southeast Asia and India are good markets...
@kapanak
"and a move by the companies to either enforce certain regulations on their producers, even if it comes as a hit on their revenues, or take initiative on moving their business elsewhere"
Come on, the people in charge of companies don't have souls. They only way this to be fixed is for countries start forcing the companies to be nice.
@pur sadly, you can't force companies to be nice. if china starts looking after every factory worker they've got, they're going to lot of economic and political relevance in a world that associates china with cheap, reliable labour. it's their niche
@kapanak
If Apple decided to make a US plant with all that money it has sitting around that would be, imo, amazing. Then hopefully other corporations would follow suit. Or the other way around, Just some big company.
@Dustin If these places made electronics in the US or UK the prices would be 2-3x higher than they are now.
@Dustin Question is, will you buy iPhone if the phone is 2x or 3x the current price?
*Sigh* The internet really hates China doesn't it? :| I know China has it's... Problems... But come on... There are a lot of poor working conditions all around the world. I'm Korean & Chinese and it kinda makes me feel bad for being Chinese because Tech blogs portray us as some kind of Monster that cares only about money & the final product and not about it's workers or people.
@Teslanaut You make a valid point. It's too easy to confuse the actions and policies of a particular country's government with the motivations and aspirations of its people. Even in a "democratic" society like the US the whims of our leadership often do not accurately reflect the thinking of the majority of the citizens.
That being (incoherently) said, I still would balk at paying $1000 for a U.S.- built cell phone that would probably fall apart in 6 months, so I am part of the problem too.
@nefnet13 Yeah, I actually think all this could be stopped. All you need is the top 10% of the compaines that bring in the most money for the factory to agree (under humman rights law) to a minimum standard that employees have to be treated in the factories that make their stuff.
If they fail to meet those standards, the company can act (Move supplier / fine them (reduce order quantity and move later OR withhold payments) etc etc)
It is a big if, but hole countries have managed to agree on minimum standards of working conditions, I think 20 or so companies could agree on this in years, if not months.
It's not about telling people how to run their show, its about telling them how they can get your business and money. If they dont want it, there are actually a lot of other factories that do.
we are responsible, with our insatiable appetite for multimedia devices...
my next tablet will have a metal coil and paper...
@MattsZ
Yeah, because no living thing was harmed in making those things...
i've never seen any trees commit suicide after long work hours, correct me if I missed something
@MattsZ
It's merely because the ones with longer work hours can't find bigger trees to hang themselves from. Trust me, I've watched them try.