Since today really needs a good heap of news to somewhat balance out
yesterday's glut, HP has updated its online store to give it an abundance of new and revised
Windows 7 machines, including the
Envy series (
Beats edition and all), Pavilion
dm3 with AMD Neo or Intel CULV chips,
Core i7-packing dv6t/ dv7t /
dv8t Quad editions, and the not-so-netbook
CQ61. We're still not seeing the
previously-leaked dm1 ultraportable anywhere, but the
Mini 311 and a slightly updated Mini 110 are, with the option to jump from Windows XP to 7 for a cool $50 / $30 respectively. Most everything in the store, desktops and laptops, has been updated to at least include Windows 7 as the standard shipping OS, and while all claim free 2-day shipping, estimated shipping dates begin sometime the week after 7's Oct 22nd launch -- no early chances here, folks. Browse the read links and keep an eye on the shiny red "new" icons (no flashing GIFs, we're afraid) for the entire revised lineup.
Update: As a number of you have pointed, the Envy product page is a bit, well, sloppy. Typos and missing commas notwithstanding, it seems to biggest laugh is the cost of customization, i.e. $800 more to
downgrade from a 500GB HDD to 320GB or 250GB (same price), or $900 more to downgrade from 6GB or 4GB of DDR3 memory. Yeah, it might be best to hold off on that one until HP get the kinks worked out.
[Thanks to everyone who sent this in!]
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posted October 18th 2009 1:59PM
i still dont understand how people would WANT to buy a $2000 laptop
Most corporate high end laptops cost this much and more. People buy them, Mac or PC for top build quality and support. See the HP W series for an example. I don't understand why someone would buy a cheap laptop. My laptops are on airplanes, in hotel rooms, and generally anywhere I go. A cheap laptop would fall apart under those conditions in no time.
dang these 2 laptops look nearly identical to MacBook Pros, only that these HPs are more expensive
Dude, that 15 incher can make a slim, good looking, and powerful gaming laptop, there's got to be a compromise somewhere
@justin:
I'm spending $2k on that Envy 15" within the next couple of weeks, mind you.
@ WinMo_is_trash
Nooo, the Envy 13 is more expensive. The Envy 15 is an absolute steal compared to a comparable MacBook Pro.
i7 720QM compares to a C2D T9900 @ 3.06 Ghz
Mobility Radeon 4830 is better than the GeForce 9600M GT
Upgrade both to 8GB of RAM, $100 for the HP, $1000 for the Apple (Yay 4 dimms!) since the HP starts with 6, which the Apple can't.
Your MacBook Pro comes to a total of over $3,000, will that be cash or credit?
Reliability. Having owned two polycarbonate MacBooks (first, a black one, then a MacBook White), I can confirm that despite being well looked after, they were not too reliable. Speedy and versatile yes, but a bit 'creaky'. The black one went back to repair twice, the white one is in the shop now - the whole logic board being replaced to cure relatively minor, but annoying, problems. My theory is that slight twisting of the laptop in day to day use imposes stress on the internal components. On the other hand...
Having recently aquired the latest model UNIBODY MacBook Pro (note emphasis on unibody), the difference is significant. Not only is typing way nicer because the keyboard is rigid, but the whole machine feels solid and doesn't bend slightly when being lifted.
Like the original titanium PowerBook that many are still using after 7 years or so (ours included), spending a bit extra is a worthwhile investment. After all, being without a machine while it is under repair is costly - you have to spend time recovering backup files to a backup laptop or even survive without one for several weeks, while a robust machine may give you several extra reliable years over a lesser quality model. I'm predicting that many MacBook Pro unibody machines will still be working without failure at least 5 years from now, despite being thrust into backpacks almost daily.
Probably the same with these new HP models - that from the screenshot - look just like the new MacBook Pros!
Who would have thought it?
15 inches? What guy wouldn't pay an enormous amount of money for that?
Way more people own them than need them but I have a few friends who do a lot of video editing and like to collaborate at restaurants and cafes etc. Makes taking their work with them and having it run acceptably much more convenient.
Like the $2100 Dell M1330 I purchased with its three motherboard GPU replacements, two DVD burner failures and USB ports that need the battery and power adapter removed every two weeks or it won't recognize anything plugged into it.....Thank God for expensive laptops!
My ASUS W3J cost me a little more than $2000 a few years back with extra RAM and a modular bay battery--and I haven't regretted it one bit. It still smokes most others' in gaming and media tasks despite its age, and besides some minor cosmetic blemishes I haven't had any issues with it. If you get a high-end notebook from a good manufacturer, the performance, style, and reliability can be well worth the extra cost.
they are nothing, compare to this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26053332@N04/4025240035/sizes/o/
too pricey for envys
Not just the envy's, take a look at the Mini 311 in a specced out configuration with Win 7. Who could have guessed they would be wanting $579 for an Ion netbook with Win 7.... I am so angry with HP.
If you try to customize the Envy 15, it gives you ridiculous prices for different upgrades/downgrades. For instance, $900 to downgrade from 6GB of RAM to 2GB. Quite the bargain....
haha noticed that too..
glitches everywhere
Also, look at the screen, +$800 to downgrade the screen from 1920x1200 to 1366x768
Wow $899 to downgrade from Wifi-N with BT to just Wifi-N. I think someone forgot how to make it so they just don't show up as options or something.
Wow that's a good find. I hope they fix it and deduct $900 for taking the 2GB RAM option. Now that would seriously be quite a bargain.
No no no. you pay $800 to go from 500Gb HDD to 250Gb HDD.
This can mean different things, like, you know, use those other 250Gb for confidential stuff D:
The customise page also has a pixelated Voodoo logo instead of an HP one. When you click on the Voodoo logo, it says the page can't be found. Wow. Just. Wow.
This product is almost a breakthrough for HP considering their usual plastic with flower pattern laptops. I can't believe they f***ed up the website this bad.
bing has 25% cash back now for HP, you gotta go to bing.com and search HP
HP is listed as 5% under the cashback stores, and searching doesn't seem to show anything besides results. What am I missing?
Evan you just convinced me to order one. Hopefully I get all the specs for the prices listed. However, I am fully expecting an email from HP tomorrow saying--"We are very sorry, but the price listed at the time of ordering..."
@ carstairs
Don't check under cashback stores, which only gives 5%.
You need to enter the search term HP on bing.com and the sponsored link will say 25% cashback on HP.
I wasn't planning on purchasing the 15'' envy but since its 25% off ima go ahead and jump on it.
Shows me only 3% :( Am I doing something wrong or has this expired?
Did this end up working for you (i.e. did the order go through with cashback and all)? I was all set to make the purchase but I just couldn't pull the trigger based on the numerous upgrade/downgrade issues on the site. I'm ultra-bummed that the 25% off deal is completely gone now tho -- there goes my dream lappy.
someone needs a hug...or a woman
Buy a Mac
The Envy's trackpad doesn't work. It has shoddy build quality. Costs more than a MBP.
The 15 is grossly overpriced, has poor buil;d quality.
HP is locked in a battle with thousands of people who have bought their i7 desktop machines and have suffered through crash after crash. HP has no explanation and has done nothing to satisfy the complaints.
HP consumer PC support is one of the worst in the industry.
Mac book Air fits in the same category. However, it is a mac and you can't say anything bad about macs or steve jobs will ex communicate you!
In Soviet Russia...
Anyway, no, the MacBook Air is in the ultra-portable category. These two HPs don't fit in that category; they look more like corporate laptops. I'm still liking the MacBook Pros though, they have better quality, they're hundreds of dollars cheaper and have pretty good customer support.
Crash after crash with core i7? What the fuck are you talking about?
The Envy 15 isn't grossly overpriced, the Core i7 720QM easily compares to the 3.06 Ghz C2D in the highest end 15" MacBook Pro, and you can upgrade your RAM for far cheaper, and you start with more RAM. To even the RAM out, it's $100 for the HP, $1000 for the Apple.
Plus the Mobility Radeon 4830 kills the GeForce 9600M GT.
Anybody else notice that the article about Best Buy having bogus/biased HDTV demos in their stores was removed? What the heck! An explanation would be nice engadget. Removing a controversial story like that can reflect very badly on you. BTW if your intel was flawed or something and the story was wrong, than you should have updated us on the truth, not removed all evidence of it...
At first I thought you were lying, but then a quick google search turned up:
http://hdtv.biz-news.com/news/en_US/2009/10/18/0001/best-buy-fires-up-hdtv-scam-of-its-own-uses-composite-on-uncalibrated-set
which is a mirror of the Engadget article that used to be here...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/18/best-buy-fires-up-hdtv-scam-of-its-own-uses-composite-on-uncal/
That story is so old... move on with your lives.
looks like a MacBook Pro for TWICE the price and all the problems of windows.
Install Ubuntu on it. Also, Windows 7 looks to be quite good.
It's an unwritten law that anyone quoting roughly drafted as a serious source automatically loses the argument.
Sorry. I don't make the rules.
now now... when apple released their "new" style for keybaords, did we see these kinds of rants? because i'm pretty sure the 'chiclet' styled keys are by SONY, NOT apple.
personally i like hp, and im planning to buy a nice hp laptop for college, but yeah, the envy did a pretty good job at copying the MBP. get over it. apparently apple fanboys didnt realize AT ALL that their 'revolutionary keyboards' were just another rip in this stupid world.
Also HP desktops and consumer laptops use very cheap, low quality internal components that vary according to what is cheapest that week form some shit hole in China. So good luck with that.
From looking at your past posts, I don't think you're sucking Apples dick hard enough. Your posts need a bit more ignorant fanboyism.
Every company like HP, Dell, and Acer use the cheapest possible OEM parts. Did I mention Apple? Yeah, don't think for a second they use the highest quality parts possible. You're paying for a brand name, OS, and aesthetics, not quality internal parts. If you want a computer with high quality internals, build it yourself or pay twice as much to have it custom built by a company like Falcon Northwest.
@ avengeryarr
Those 3 links I just posted go for you too. And yeah, Apple uses high quality parts.
Really? $20 says they use the same shitty Chinese manufacturer that 90% of other companies use. Stop being so moronic you cocksucking troll.
at win_mo_is_trash
those links do not show that apple use support parts. those are nothing more than consumer reviews which are pretty much rating the os (because there rating user experience and the OS is what people interact with most). apple DOES you the same parts as every other OEM. there was once a time when apple did all there own stuff but not anymore they buy parts from asia and put it all together here. the only difference between macs and window's pc's are the OS nothing more.
And also if you'll check the consumer reports rating, they usually compare $2000 Apples to $1000 Dells & HPs.
@ avengeryarr, jay jay
Apple does engineer its own motherboards and certain chipsets. Though Apple never built their own CPUs, they used Motorola's, then IBM's and now Intel's. Same goes for HDDs, RAM, disc drives and screens. Here is a history lesson so you can learn about Apple's long history in chip design:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/28/how-apples-pa-semi-acquisition-fits-into-its-chip-history/
As for the rest of non-Apple designed chips:
The difference is how Apple picks components and which ones they choose out of the pool from where all the other manufacturers are also picking theirs. In that respect Apple has tighter quality controls because Apple needs to engineer the parts to tightly integrate them with OS X. The Mac experience is far more than just the software or the hardware by themselves and that's why you see such high customer satisfaction ratings.
Everyone, why would you want manufacturers to use the most expensive parts? That would mean less profit for them, higher prices for you. Thats not very good capitalism if you ask me.
Pay more for a MBP wannabe ?? That makes a lot of sense HP.