Peace breaking out between Blu-ray and HD-DVD
posted May 9th 2005 7:25PM
Could the war between
Blu-ray and
HD-DVD be over before it even begins? Nothing's 100% yet, but a Japanese newspaper is reporting that Sony and
Toshiba have managed to set aside their differences and are very close to compromising on a single next-generation DVD
format (which we don't have to go through another one of those VHS vs. Beta things). The plan, which reportedly
involves combining Sony's recording technology with Toshiba's software for data transfer and copy protection, could be
unveiled as early as Monday. No word on what the new unified
format might be called, how long we'll have to wait for the first
players and recorders that are compatible with the new format to hit stores, or what happens to everyone in Japan who
already bought a Blu-ray disc recorder.
[Thanksm, eujin]
They should have just jumped strait to that vercitile format, its coming they're just delaying.
That's good.
"They should have just jumped strait to that vercitile format, its coming they're just delaying."
Next time somebody tells you that spelling doesn't matter, let them read that sentence and they'll understand the error of their ways.
"vercitile"? Were you going for "versatile" (which would be pretty silly, because that's what dVd stands for) or "vertical" (which is my guess, assuming you meant the perpendicular recording technology that has nothing whatsoever to do with optical drives), or "platypus" (which is almost as silly as the first two guesses)? It's really hard to tell.
So the PS3 thats supposed to be unviled at E3 very soon will use thise new format Im assuming?
This new format is going to be replaced in four year's time anyway. VHS ruled for two decades. I own a hundred DVDs. Are you saying I am going to have to purchase a hundred Next-Gen Disks in a year? And then again in four years? Not to mention that the providers don't make it any easier, releasing series in as many SKUs as possible, when an entire mini-series could fit on one disk.
#5, you won't have to, you'll just be a loser. Probably the only guy without HD version of your discs. Well the good news is all those discs you paid $20-50 a piece for will go on ebay for $2-4.
"combining Sony’s recording technology with Toshiba’s software", many people like blu ray because of the higher capacities, and i vaguely recall hearing that the HDDVD software was superior to blu-ray. I really hope this translates to having the best of both worlds, but as long as it has blu-ray capacities I'm happy.
"combining Sony’s recording technology with Toshiba’s software", many people like blu ray because of the higher capacities, and i vaguely recall hearing that the HDDVD software was superior to blu-ray. I really hope this translates to having the best of both worlds, but as long as it has blu-ray capacities I'm happy.
"combining Sony’s recording technology with Toshiba’s software", many people like blu ray because of the higher capacities, and i vaguely recall hearing that the HDDVD software was superior to blu-ray. I really hope this translates to having the best of both worlds, but as long as it has blu-ray capacities I'm happy.
"So the PS3 thats supposed to be unviled at E3 very soon will use thise new format Im assuming?"
Most likely sony will keep using blu-ray so people can't pirate games for the ps3... just my guess right now.
Shouldn't Sony be able to just swap one optical drive for another? I wouldn't think that would have any effect whatsoever on game development. As long as they make the change before production begins I would THINK it would be easy to do.
The format war--if there is one--boils down to this:
Blu-Ray: backed by Sony and just about every other hardware manufacturer out there, INCLUDING Apple, Dell and HP. On the technical side, it's got bigger capacity than HD-DVD, but somewhat uncertain how backwards compatible BR players will be with existing SD DVD (BR discs will obviously not work in existing DVD players).
HD-DVD: backed by Toshiba and Sanyo (and to a certain extent, RCA/Thompson)--that's about it on the hardware manufacturer side of things. But they have the backing of most of the Hollywood studios (save Sony, of course) because discs will be cheaper to manufacture and hence, sell to public.
While it's true that software content often drives hardware sales, in a universe with limited hardware choices in playback equipment, I think HD-DVD will die on the vine, especially if HD-DVD players are not great out of the gate. While Tosh and the HD-DVD lobby have said that there will be a large catalog of titles available at launch, one has to wonder how many people will be ready to pony up more cash to buy yet another version of titles that they've just replaced (going from VHS to DVD). I think it's smart for Toshiba and co. to cut some kind of peace and avoid a format war.
id pick blu ray only because the logo is better. hd dvd does not roll off the tongue.
Wow, this just can't be a good thing for Sony. What the hell is there ps3 team doing right now? Do they go ahead with Blu-Ray, Do they wait for the new format, Do they just go with dual layer dvd?
They are supposed to unveil the PS3 this week! How lame it would be if they announce Blu-Ray for the ps3 and then the following week announce the brand new media format that isn't blu-ray compatible?
To me the biggest news at E3 this year will be what media format the PS3 is going to use. Even Bill G. mentioned this in the Engadget interview. What is Sony going to do????
If Sonys PS3 team sticks with blu-ray, and then Blu-ray gets ditched for some new format, PS3 is in a world of hurt. Blu-Ray is going to be far more expensive than DVD - especially if it does not become the new standard, prices just won't drop very fast. But yet they will still need to compete with the pricing of the xbox 360. OUCH!!
My prediction: PS3 will use dual layer DVD just like the xbox 360.
Blu-ray drives are capable of reading dvds.
right now from the way it looks, no one's gonna be using the new format(s) anytime soon. might be a couple here and there, but i think it's going to go the way of the SACD and DVD Audio. any device using these, such as PS3, wont be benefiting much from it. movies? that's gonna take a while...definitely won't become mainstream anytime soon. bigger games? most developers are no where near filling up an entire DVD9 disc... let alone a blu-ray/HD DVD disc. it just gives the fanboys something to brag about.
Wow - hold on #11 (Phil)
I think you are way off here. I had no clue what number 1 was talking about. Please explain the "vercitile format". I have never heard of such a standard.
All #3 was saying is that it didn't make any sense and he never attacked any one. I think he just wanted to get a correction from number 1 to clarify his comment.
hey #13 ...what does being Asian have anything to do with this discussion? were you just...curious? either way, i think reuters confirmed that "Both sides have indicated that a new, unified format will use Sony's technology for recording information onto an optical disk while Toshiba will supply software that will handle efficient data transfer and copyright protection."
We were expecting a format war, and the war was expected to be a format not some software. Although software is part of a format, it is something that can be changed over and over until the day the final spec has to roll out.
Technology development is what costs money, so in the end sony won and was handed some better software.
It might end up being like SACD, but if they can get the dual formats into one (dvd layer and high def layer, this was demoed a while ago) then it would go mainstream and all the fighting would be worth it.
Asian or not the guy was a complete jerk! He apparently decided to avoid responding to my post. So be it. He's still a jerk. If you get your jollies tossed by picking on people's spelling, then by all means, go right ahead, have at it. One day someone’s going to kick you when you’re down (metaphorically speaking) and it’s going to ***** hurt.
lol when people know they can't win an argument, they resort to fallacies. no need to pay attention to those kinds of people. in a worldly struggle to progress, advance, and unite, those people only hold the rest of us back.
They just want to know how they can combine to equally screw the consumer.
It's not like competition encourages innovation ro anything like that.
"worldly struggle to progress, advance, and unite"
LMFAO
What movie do you live in?
What's demotsrated?
The prevailing rumors say that the Blu-ray physical spec will be used for the final format -- since drives more-or-less only deal with the physical format, Blu-ray drives will be compatible with the merged format. The logical format can probably be implemented in firmware on the PS3.
Well, 24, I guess I appreciate your putting words in my mouth, but I'll be glad to stand up to Phil myself, now that I've got my 'net connection sorted out.
Phil, I was makin' a joke. I thought the word was funny, and I was poking fun at it. I didn't know that made me a racist. (Which is a pretty silly notion, since I have no idea what race the original poster might be)
So. If I offended your tender sensibilities, I offer you and the original poster a hug, a cookie, and a glass of warm milk.
I still think "vercitile" is a pretty funny word. Like "platypus".
phil you my friend is what white yellow black brown green people call a fuckwit....this species usually hide in dark borrowed and moist places near the anus. wtf does asian have to do with his post. and lee gibson dont be knocking on people because u get ball busters like phil up your ass....anyways sony needs this to make up for lost time when they loosing dosh because they were up themselves.
I think this unity happened so quickly because of the new CEO at the helm at Sony (Sir what's his name?)--I like his style.
Now if Sony and Toshiba can get along, can't we all, Phil and Lee Gibson and platypus?
Brian
I think this unity happened so quickly because of the new CEO at the helm at Sony (Sir what's his name?)--I like his style.
Now if Sony and Toshiba can get along, can't we all, Phil and Lee Gibson and platypus?
Brian
Hey, I'm not knockin' on anybody. (I'm still trying to figure out wtf is up with the Asian bit...very confusing...) I'm all about the warm milk n' cookies, group hugs, and vercitile platypuses.
Can't we all just get along?
platypus :)
platypi? is that the plural of platypus?
lee? help!
"...id pick blu ray only because the logo is better. hd dvd does not roll off the tongue."
Wow. Out of all the arguments I've read on this forum, yours has to be the dumbest reason to support an HD format.