Canadian "scientist" says "God Light" cures cancer
posted May 12th 2005 1:15PM
When we last checked in on Canadian mad scientist Troy Hurtubise, his Angel Light — a homebrew device that he said could see through walls and stop electronics from working — was the subject of speculation, ridicule and financing (he got $40,000 from the French government for the project). Now the eccentric inventor has upped the ante: According to Hurtubise, his latest toy, the God Light, can make blind men see and lame men walk, and he's backing up his claims with a $20,000 reward to anyone who can prove him wrong (we're sure Chirac & Cie. are glad their euros are going to such a worthy cause). Hurtubise says that the God Light, developed with the aid of a German physicist, has already reversed Parkinson's symptoms in one test subject and shrunk cancer tumors in mice. The device uses 67 lenses and five gases to produce 80,000 lux of full-spectrum light. William Rieken, a PhD candidate at the Chihara Laboratory, at the Nara Institute of Science and Technology, in Osaka, Japan, told Canadian news site BayToday.ca that the God Light will "revolutionize physics and change the understanding of the concepts of science." Or, at the very least, it should be able to really light up Hurtubise's lab during those long, dark Canadian winters.
[Thanks, Bob]
Seriously, this guy comes up with some crazy stuff but he's got a decent track record. I'm not saying that he's smoking crack, but I'd listen to what he has to say more than your normal mad scientist.
the basis for all *scientific* research is to prove something doesnt work, thats the only way we improve ourselves. however giving something a blasphemous name, and saying it cures cancer is the one way to get lots of funding
I have no knowledge of this guy or his previous science, but everyone always thinks guys with groundbreaking scientific discoveries are crazy. Just make sure to make a link to your shit-talking entry when he proves you wrong.
So God actually endorsed this product then?
Give it 50 years and you will be able to find his invention here: http://www.mtn.org/quack/ - "Museum of Questionable Medical Devices"
Here's something I saw on Troy once. Crazy stuff. http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/hurtubise_fire_jeep.htm
This guy makes me laugh every time he's on the news. His bear suit was pure gold, his Fire paste makes me laugh and his "body armor" thats like a foot thick brings tears to my eyes laughing so hard.
Nifty. If it is quackery it's at least interesting.
his hair makes him look like a crazy person - right wing extremists will hate this because of claims that it does "Godly" things
This is funny - I just saw this guy on a Ripley's rerun last night on SciFi.
He had made this sort of 'indestructible suit', whose main form of protection was obtained by soaking cotton in a solution of the webs of orb spiders, among other things... plus your standard steel plate, padding, etc.
Crazy part is, the damn thing actually worked, with some pliable cotton pads (they were facial cleaning pads) treated with the same mixture were strong enough to hold up a small car..... the very car that was set up to knock him, in his suit, through a brick wall.
That ALSO worked, and while he was a little dazed from the impact itself, he was otherwise completely unhurt.
But after seeing this, I'm wondering if there were some unseen effects from his constant testing of the suit. (He had various home movies of his testing stages, where he'd be repeatedly knocked back by people weilding bats, steel bars, etc).
The crazy part is, I just saw the link posted by Nick (#6), and the guy DOES have the brainpower, at least when it comes to impact - but unless he can unleash the power of spiderwebs in light form, I'm not too sure I could believe this one.
$20,000 to prove a negative? Hell, he should have upped the ante and made it more impressive.
I put up $5,000,000,000 for CONCLUSIVE proof that Santa Clause DOES NOT exist.
Any takers?
There must be something terribly wrong with the water in Japan....
Well, what if it does work?
It shouldn't be that hard to test. I'm sure there are cancer patients all over the place that would love a walk in front of the device.
I've got a perpetual motion machine, does anyone want to invest $10,000 in my groundbreking invention that will proactively revolutionize scientific synergies?
It's already been running for like 5 minutes and I'll give a billion dollars to anyone who can prove me wrong.
Someone's lighting up the lab, alright...
Yes since when does the scientific method rely on things being true until disproved? The burden of proof relies on the one making the claim, not the other way around. Hopefully the Skeptic Society will go get his cash, though I am sure once you challenge him he comes up with all sorts of rules or semantics.
I got a free-energy machine for sale. Bidding will start at $10k. You could easily make that money back with all the free energy you are going to tap. Any takers?
Well I'm willing to take back my words, that video of the blast cushions looked pretty amazing. I'll keep an eye on this thing.
As much as I would like to believe that something like this is possible, cmon, can't they at least be a little more creative with the numbers?? Copied from the North Bay News story:
“C-12 had a 27-per cent reduction in the tumour, the researcher told me,” Hurtubise said, adding the mouse had had prior radiation therapy.
H-27, which had had no prior therapy, Hurtubise said, exhibited a 12-per cent reduction in its tumour.
Hay is this the same "Troy Hurtubise" that did 'Project Grizzly'?
http://www.improb.com/news/2001/nov/troy-bear2.html
Very strong resemblance if not.
Um, IIRC, this god-light thing is an enormous source of EM radiation of indescriminate wavelengths. I'm not actually going to go and RTFA, so correct me if'n I'm wrong. If it is just a huge EM source, then it's really no surprise that it might have some nonspecific effect on murine cancer models. On the other hand, it's probably also raising the cancer risk for everyone else in the room. The usual conundrum applies--a cure means not "it can kill cancer cells," it means "it can kill cancer cells effectively without killing the patient." Cure is a dirty word anyway, when you're talking about cancer--a cure is a long long way away, with a lot of basic science research between here and there, whereas cancer treatments are improving incrementally with even marginally better understanding of cellular and genetic processes.
I for one believe him. He cured me form going to shitty gadget blogs.
Just saw the 'bag' video. Problem though could be that up to 90% of the vehicle would have to be covered -- from windows to wheel wells. So I'm not sure how different this would be to any standard armor plating. I suppose troops could be dressed in 7" armor-bag suits, with the added benefit of being able roll around instead of having to walk. Still, gotta wish him luck...
"The physicist, when informed of this by Hurtubise, was convinced the light had started triggering cell regeneration in Troy’s hand."
But isn't cancer the overproduction of a cell due to a mutation?
When I saw teh bear suit and the that ray gun that sees through walls and shuts down electrical devices I laughed hard, btu for some reason I've been studying quantum physica lately and I'm starting to think that anythign really is possible. I'm actaully starting to wonder if this guy isn't WAY ahead of his time. Like Divinci or something.
From a tv commercial for a weight-reduction pill:
"Use with any sensible diet and exercise program"
From the article:
"“C-12 had a 27-per cent reduction in the tumour, the researcher told me,” Hurtubise said, adding the mouse had had prior radiation therapy."
...on top of that, they make it seem as if Radiation therapy isn't expensive enough.
for all those still confused about it, yes this is the same guy who created the Mark VII bearsuite, although most are probably familiar with the Mark V suite. I live in the city and get to witness some of his inventions first hand, and all of you nay sayers and bashers need to get out of your parents basements a little more. Sure he may not be the one to come up with some huge breakthrough that will revolutionize the world, but he sure as hell is an innovator who puts out inventions that work. now the "God Light" formely the "Angel Light", although there has been studies run that have yielded results, none of what you are seeing is concrete evidence that it absolutely works. The cancer study was done by someone else using the machine. He has opened his shop to anyone reputable scientists that wants to perform any tests to see what this thing can do. So seeing as how these are based on 1 study with 2 mice, its hard to say for sure that it will "cure" cancer. That is why he is welcoming other people to come in and test it out so that they can hopefully make some advancements and find a purpose for his machine. Unfortunatly this media atention has spun things around and made claims that it absolutely works 100% of the time. The $20,000 that he is offering up is to disprove what the machine has already done, and not to point out what the machine is incapable of. Mr. Hurtubise may be a little excentric, but he has something that most people are lacking, he's a creative genius and he builds things that could have a meaningful purpose in the world. Knock him down all you want, but he's determined to make a difference and its only a matter of time before he's laughing in your face. You'll find the most up to date new on him at www.baytoday.ca
for all those still confused about it, yes this is the same guy who created the Mark VII bearsuite, although most are probably familiar with the Mark V suite. I live in the city and get to witness some of his inventions first hand, and all of you nay sayers and bashers need to get out of your parents basements a little more. Sure he may not be the one to come up with some huge breakthrough that will revolutionize the world, but he sure as hell is an innovator who puts out inventions that work. now the "God Light" formely the "Angel Light", although there has been studies run that have yielded results, none of what you are seeing is concrete evidence that it absolutely works. The cancer study was done by someone else using the machine. He has opened his shop to anyone reputable scientists that wants to perform any tests to see what this thing can do. So seeing as how these are based on 1 study with 2 mice, its hard to say for sure that it will "cure" cancer. That is why he is welcoming other people to come in and test it out so that they can hopefully make some advancements and find a purpose for his machine. Unfortunatly this media atention has spun things around and made claims that it absolutely works 100% of the time. The $20,000 that he is offering up is to disprove what the machine has already done, and not to point out what the machine is incapable of. Mr. Hurtubise may be a little excentric, but he has something that most people are lacking, he's a creative genius and he builds things that could have a meaningful purpose in the world. Knock him down all you want, but he's determined to make a difference and its only a matter of time before he's laughing in your face. You'll find the most up to date new on him at www.baytoday.ca
OMG, to add creditability to the story and inventor, this guy has won the Nobel prize in 1997.
#23, Troy does not have cancer, he hadtested the Angel light on his arm prior to this article and he had lost feeling and some motor skills. Since he has been tweeking it he has been testing on his arm again and he has regained full movement and feeling.
#23, Troy does not have cancer, he hadtested the Angel light on his arm prior to this article and he had lost feeling and some motor skills. Since he has been tweeking it he has been testing on his arm again and he has regained full movement and feeling.
#23, Troy does not have cancer, he hadtested the Angel light on his arm prior to this article and he had lost feeling and some motor skills. Since he has been tweeking it he has been testing on his arm again and he has regained full movement and feeling.
Honestly i think that base on the video I saw from #6 that he has some credibility. As for the cancer curing machine i can say it's not as safe as he might think. Like someone else said, it's doubtful that it effectively cures cancer.
I for one believe that we can cure ourself from many diseases (including cancer)with our own brain power. If we had the ability to tap into that power. Remember we only use 10% of our brain power and that's considering that the ones that tap to 10% are only the genious of all geniouses. I believe that if we had a 50 percent tap into that power we would do amazing things... Unfortunately we are stuck to the up 10 percent brain power... if anyone want to challenge my claim to be ridiculous? If you were to do so, then i'm sure you are as ignorant as the cave man!!!
....Going back to Troy Hurtubise i think that he has more potential to coming to great discoveries then the scientific community out there that take years to come up with drugs for cures of diseases. I think that the best way for the scientific community to come up with cures is for the Scientific Community to become OPEN SOURCE. I think this would be the revolutionary way to come up with cures at a fast pace...
No, he won the Ig Nobel. Check here:
http://www.improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html#ig1998
"we only use 10% of our brain power"
you better read some more on that
if only 10% was used...we'd have only 10% left.
NOTHING in the body just sits there doing nothing.
"we can cure ourself from many diseases (including cancer)with our own brain power"
...really?
how bout you try it?
cut your hand with a rusty nail, rub some dirt on the wound, and i'll se you in the ER in a couple of days :)
dont say 'thats not a disease', or that you 'dont have to prove anything'.
better yet, sit in the sun everyday for 20 years, i'll se you at 60 trying to escape from MELANOMA METASTASIS using your brain (which will be full of metas anyway)
sorry for double and triple posts, trying to figure out why i got multiple confirmation emails
Please stop mentioning that he's Canadian. We don't have anything to do with this nutcase.
What is up with all those wacky Mad Scienctists in the Great White North? There is ANOTHER wacky scientist in Canada...John Hutchison. See the link...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=61516
Us Americans better watch out, all those pissed off Canadian need is to Mad Scientists!
Um, it's nice that his pimped-out flashlight helps plants to grow and all, but wouldn't that kind of intense, concentrated full-spectrum light, (including the always pleasant UVA and UVB spectrums), be more likely to CAUSE skin cancer in organisms that don't rely upon photosynthesis to thrive?
Also, call me a skeptic, but the fact that he "alleviated" the symptoms of 2 human subjects and a couple of mice says nothing about all the other people whom he may have tested that thing on, nor does he state or comment on the fact that some people (and animals) have immune systems that can naturally fend off cancerous tumors. I believe the term for that is "spontaneous remission/regression". It's scientifically and statistically plausible that those people or mice were the rare random few out of his unknown number of subjects who exhibited such spontaneous recovery, (and chances are that it may well have happened regardless of being subjected to his device). I'd rather see actual data from a variety of 100% independant and credible sources, who specialize in cancer treatment, (eg. the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, and John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore), rather than trust the claims of a possible crackpot.
People like him who play on people's emotions, hope, and despair, and peddle fantastic miracles with nothing conclusive to show for it are DANGEROUS. It's only a matter of time before something he does to someone who trusts him, costs them their life, especially in a case where he's using a modified flashlight to try to "cure" a dangerous disease such as cancer. Even if his device causes no specific harm, (which even I doubt), what he does may lead a cancer patient to halt life-saving medical treatment, which can only have disasterous consequences.
- Ptrix
American "Engadget Reader" says "monkeys" fly out of his "butt."
Well they do use RF radiation to burn cancer cells. This might be possible. And there are a lot of things in this world that we couldn't explain before quantum physics came along. Who knows this might just be an extension of it. But as people said more research needs to be done and he shouldn't make claims so publicly before the results have been verified.
Woah. I wonder if i can grow pot with that?
I bet this guy already knows the answer.
He is from North Bay. They grow tons of weed up there. And they also like to make bear suits and play demolition derby in the middle of the woods.
I can't believe you guys failed to mention the initial claim of these God Light crap...that it can cause any material to become translucent. On top of that, it's suppose to cure cancer now even though it's supposedly the cause of these quack losing feeling in one of his arm's for a year or so now?
The fire bag things are gimmicky at best. Does no one pay attention to the fine print? In the video it states that there are something like 40 layers of kevlar, metal plating, yada yada yada. If you start piling layers of kevlar and metal onto each other until you have a 7" thick brick, then consider yourself genius as well because you just created what this guy has.
This guy made a name for himself by buildling a bear proof suit (nothing novel about it, you too can do it if you have as much time as this guy does to spend in your garage...no more then any of the other guys who have constructed things like roller coasters in their backyard or real life Mech vehicles). It would appear to me he loved the limelight and is obviously a decent salesmen...so he wanted to keep that going. This is not to say his ideas are not good...many are great...it's just that I doubt seriously any of them are as concrete as him and the media hypes them up to be.
We are capable and DO use all of our brain, its only at about 10% at a time. Different areas of the brain are used for different things, i.e. there are cognitive regions, motor skill regions, sensory regions, etc... Please, in the future, be sure of something before you state it.
Re 43 : In the case of the nuclear bomb tests that were done in the 60's and 70's, many victims reported that they became translucent - they would actually see through their hands and other's bodyparts. Given the strength of the full spectrum light he is using, I am not too surprised. I am not surprised either if a number of the cells in his body are dead or have mutated either.
That said, there are at least two companies that I know of (one European and one US based) that provide FDA approved skin cancer cure based on full spectrum light + some lotion. The cure ratio is fantastic.
-D
I don't want to endorse this guy's claims, but there is some legitimate, peer-reviewed research being conducted regarding phototherapy. Prelim research has shown interesting and favorable findings with laser light treatment and regrowth of nerve tissue, as well stimulation of tissue regeneration. Thing is, the researchers working on this are uber-careful about their protocols and results, because of the potential "crackpot" associations.
This whole thing is a non-starter. Ask me again when his work is peer reviewed, published, and replicated by reputable labs. That is how science works. And no, I do not believe that there is some worldwide conspiracy of scientists trying to quash revolutionary research.
I wasted a little of my time looking into some of Mr. Hurtubise's other claims with the following results:
- My opinion of the Discovery channel has plummeted - their "report" on his blast cushion invention was basically just an ad - at no point did the reporter challenge any of the claims, seek a second opinion, or wonder why Troy's invention wasn't tested against currently available vehicle armor technology.
- His on-camera manner is *exactly* like one of those guys at a county fair trying to sell you kitchen knives that can also be used to cut through car doors. Which is to say, he sounds like a huckster.
- He has a track record of incredible claims for his inventions, and yet there does not seem to be a single substantiated instance of commercial development on any of them. I mean, c'mon, FSA333?, which can allegedly separate oil from sand and shale quickly, cheaply, and cleanly? This was four years ago; if it worked, we would've heard about someone trying to commercialize it by now.
So. While I agree that believing something can't possibly work just because it doesn't fit with your worldview is not a rational position to take, I think we have to look at likelihoods here, and inevitably come to the conclusion that this guy is smoking huge bags of crack. I will, of course, enthusiastically eat my words the day he shows up at my door in his indestructible anti-gravity battlesuit, with x-ray vision and phaser cannons capable of leveling mountains.
Let's take a step back here. Anyone ever heard of Nikola Tesla? If there ever was a poster child for "mad scientists" he was it! He claimed to be visited by extraterrestrials and often had revelations in his dreams. He also created the power system that is now a world standard (slight differences in different countries but the same idea, AC polyphase). However, he died in relative poverty and obscurity because he sold out all of his ideas. Maybe Mr. Hurtubise's ideas aren't marketed because he doesn't want to "sell out". Granted, he lacks the academic credentials and is an eccentric, but that doesn't make him stupid or wrong. We'd still be living in the stone age if people waited until an idea was completely understood before it was built and applied.
To everyone who is talking about 10% brain power, please,please,please take a intro psychology course when/if you get to college, read (this is an important step)and ask the professor if any doubts should arise. If you're lucky he won't laugh at you for too long. If you used only 10% of your brain you'd probably be a vegetable, or worse yet someone who has written about how we could be super duper if we could get passed that dang 10%. What is next?
Think for yourself, and get an education.
Good luck to all the inventors, scientist, theorists, any “ist” or “ology” for that matter of the world, I'm relying on you in the future to save my ass.