Kutaragi confirms PS3 HDD will be add-on, and will run Linux
posted Jun 9th 2005 7:00PM
So we heard grumblings of this last week, and now
we've got it straight from the Kutaragi's mouth, plus a few other interesting details. The
PlayStation 3 won't be coming
with an internal hard drive, because "no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough." Glossing over
for the moment the curious logic of imagining zero capacity is somehow better than "not enough," we move on to the news
that there will likely be at least several add-on HDD options available, both locally in a 2.5-inch drive bay and in
the form of some sort of network drive. Furthermore, the (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive will run
some sort of operating system, which will likely be Linux by default — but Kutaragi envisions other operating systems
running on top of the Cell kernel as applications: "other PC operating systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger,
if the publishers want to do so." Remember back when the PS3 moved out of the class of game consoles and into the class
of entertainment machines? Well, now it's a full-blown
supercomputer. A supercomputer running multiple OSes… on an optional hard drive? Commence head
scratching…
[Thanks, anonymous]
yay!
sweet, now I can justify gettinga ps3 for work. I need to install visual studio on there and do some work.
this is amazing, can u imagine running multiple OSes on the ps3 i mean its just crazy.
Uh, no... I'm going to remember this for 5 years later when people believe that the Playstation 4 is powered by photosynthesis. I think a grain of salt is not longer enough to take with announcements like this...
I like how when the Sony guy was trash-talking the xbox 360, he said it was "More like an xbox 1.5" because it had "slightly more power" and "little else new"...
What does that make the PS3? Again, the HDD is optional, again, there is no in-depth network support, but now, it has more power...
How about the 360's full integration with the xbox live service (which will now be avaliable for free at some level), full integration with your windows PC (including the ability to access and stream media to your TV), integration with mobile media devices including iPods and PSPa, Combined with the standard power and video upgrades that a new machine gets...
Looks like sony just secured themselves the #2 spot in the console business...
-Taylor
Man, does Sony actually think an optional hard drive add-on will impress anyone? Come on, if they are going to upstage microsoft they are going to have to really work on their features. having double the terraflops of the 360 is not going to impress joe six-pack who is buying this for his family
Most of the people who will buy PS3 have no need for a HDD, even though they would learn to appreciate it if they were forced to use one. But for know it seems that Kutaragi is simply trying to please both sides, the umm, nerds and the trendy console gamers.
This is awesome news for people who are interested in development. I own a Ps2 linux kit as well and it was a tremendous learning opportunity. Since the ps3 uses opengl, alot of code can be ported with some effort. This is a great way to harness the power of the ps3 for casual programmer without having to pay for full blown dev kits. also the minority-report-like technology is already here. the eye toy inventor gave a mind blowing demo of this already. check the article below:
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/584/584744p1.html?fromint=1
All in all, this is simply awesome
I can't read the original article, but it appears it is a mandatory add-on... " (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive"
Does that mean we HAVE to buy one to play games?
I see no reason why "joe six-pack" would be impressed by a hard drive. All it does for 90% of the console users is give them a place to save games other then on a memory card.
Anyways isn't the Xbox 360 HD optional also?
this is amazing, can u imagine running multiple OSes on the ps3 i mean its just crazy.
Hey Sony!
I don't want a super computer, I want a frickin' game console! I don't need to run Linux on my Playstation. Why? Because I have a frickin' computer for that!
It makes me sad that Nintendo could drop out of this race, but I hope it doesn't happen. Nintendo is the only company that can really claim that it has the gamer's interests in mind. Sure, they've made some huge mistakers- no DVD? No broadband gaming? Awful, awful mistakes, but guess what, I can forgive Nintendo, because they wanted to make a really fun game console.
The Nintendo Gamecube would be a lot more popular if they hadn't made some of these mistakes, and also if they had learned that the business model they had for dealing with developers was not as effective in this day and age as it was 10-15 years ago. They screwed it up and they couldn't get any third party support, and Nintendo has failed in this generation. I'm not sure they will do much better in the next generation. But I give them this- they sure as hell want me to enjoy games. They want me to have a good time playing every one of their games and they want me to have new experiences playing their games. More innovative games come out for the Gamecube than anywhere else, so it's a shame that so few games are released for the system.
Sony can suck it.
so does this mean my next pc might be the ps3??
O_o....
*confused*
I think this illustrates how badly Sony needs the PS3 to be a success. Sony is losing tons of market share on their electronics to competitors, mostly Korean companies like Samsung. They need the Playstation line to make lot of money, and they will say almost anything to get you to buy one. Hopefully, they will also do lots of stuff to make sure the PS3 rocks. I'm highly suspicious of them talking about a network drive! How much is that going to cost me a month??
Kutaragi is the hype king. He throws out wild ideas that just won't come true. He uses the words 'maybe', 'if' alot to get away with wild ass statements.
We should keep track and see how many of these statements are true:
1. PS3 is a super computer.
2. PS3 requires a HDD to be a super computer.
3. PS3 will not come with a HDD.
- note that 2 & 3 already contradict 1.
4. Network drives are clearly the way to go.
5. PS3 can access multi-terrabyte network drive anywhere in the world.
6. 80-120gig hard drives are not big enough.
7. 80-120gig hard drives will be available.
8. HDD will be preinstalled with linux.
9. We 'might' see a new OS.
10. Tiger and Windows can run on PS3 'if' the publishers want them to ;).
11. PS3 can run multiple OS's at the same time.
12. HD video editing on the PS3 will be even more incredible than the linear systems professional TV broadcasters use.
13. Photo retouching software on the PS3 'could' be available.
14. 'if' we had a UI with hand and voice gestures it would be like Minority Report.
15. PS3 will be the fist place we will see Minority Report interfacing spread.
16. PS3's user interface will evolve very fast - faster than XP to Longhorn.
17. PS3 is a completely open system.
18. if PS3 runs linux, developers can do anything with it.
19. Because the graphics has shaders they are also completely open.
Xbox 360 HD is not optional based on press release and this will not for saving games only (I belong in 10% if it's really 10%). I have my HD for music and karaoke etc.
I think Kutaragi will reveal more of his system in the days ahead. Of course, they'll lower it's production cost to match what public perceives as the right/affordable price. Watch out for a final system focusing on games only...Any add-onn featurea will cost extra...Heh heh heh...A total PS3 "entertainment" sytem will cost more in the long run...
Have fun with your "Linux" on PS3; it sounds like a really fun game! While you're doing that, we'll all be running OSX on our treble G5 powered XBox 360s.
What? Intel CPUs? Really? Never thought that would happen! Umm, I guess the PS3 guys win this one. Halo 3!
#14 goo djob listing the BS's..
[PS3 is a super computer.]
it is not.. upcoming amd/intel dual core processors will surplus both Ps3 and Xbox.. and they dont even call their processor as super coputing processor.
[5. PS3 can access multi-terrabyte network drive anywhere in the world.]
duh.. if you make a networked dive then anything can access it.. even you PDa.. and I dont see i am using it with my 3Mb dsl line.. let alone many peopl edont even have broadband.
[6. 80-120gig hard drives are not big enough.]
atleast give us a 10/20Gb like MS.. its a lame excuse.
[8. HDD will be preinstalled with linux.]
who cares.. we know how much successfull PS2 linux kit was.
[12. HD video editing on the PS3 will be even more incredible than the linear systems professional TV broadcasters use.]
yah right.. tell that to producing people.. they run clustered computer that even requires a separate room..
I hate how obvious BS they make.. and fanboys still dig those.
I dig the idea of being able to have a couple drives. One running MCE, one with Myth all feeding off of the toaster int eh garage but some how I doubt sonky can see this type of visions though. 1, they like DRM 2, they want to own your content just like MS. So sounds like it will be a broke mess given those to facts. But hey maybe not :)
Now if you have any argument to this then something is wrong with you. Linux on a ps3, It was hard for me to get linux to work on one of my computers, it;s gonna be great. Xbox fanboys can't argrue with this because people have been modding their xbox to run linux. I guarantee sony will still make their games the number one priority though.
[ duh.. if you make a networked dive then anything can access it.. even you PDa.. and I dont see i am using it with my 3Mb dsl line.. let alone many peopl edont even have broadband. ]
Good point! I never thought of that. Why would I want to access a terrabyte hdd over my dsl line? That is not very useful. Obviously having local storage on the LAN is way more useful.
I think I like the 360s model much better though. Just let me connect to my PC. I don't want to buy a network drive. Managing my files will be easier on the computer than on the console anyway.
You people don't understand. PS2 and PS are game-only machines. PS3 is besides a superior gaming machine, an entertainment unit and optionally a computer (with the add-on of HD, OS and keyboard). Sony will keep all 3 consoles in the market to address different types of customers. 3rd world countries and parents with very limited resources will keep PS alive (expect games in the 3-5 dollars range). PS2 will become a more cost/performance effective gaming station. PS3 will offer top gaming performance (at a premium game price) and offer optional grow into the home pc market (e-mail, web browsing, word processing and spreadsheet) at the very least.
I doubt that MS will support Windows for PS3 (but maybe when they multiply $99 by x millions of units they might change their mind).
Perhaps this is the real reason why apple is moving away from the PowerPC architecture: a smart hacker can provide glue code to enable OS X to run on PS3. If you own the license, it is legal as long as you don't run your copy on a different machine at the same time, right? With that, what would you buy: a PS3 + HD (at about $500) or a high-end mac at about 4 times as much (that by the way is lousy to play games).
Apple is doomed if they don't get a partnership with Sony...
I realize most of these claims may not ever actually occur ... but what I got out of it was the following: PS3 will be a gaming machine first. IF you want it to do more than just play games, then you can get the optional HDD (pre-loaded with Linux) and use it as a media center or whatever.
We won't include a hard drive as standard but to compensate we'll give you an OS you can download for free on your PC.
Ken, we want a drive for the utility it offers for games. If you want to do movie or game sales via download, hey great, we'll buy as much drive as we need when the time comes. A fine use for all of those USB ports.
Ken, are third party publishers going to be required to support the optional drive? If not, is there going to be much reason to get it after the debacle of the PS2 HDD Kit? This is an important question. The 20 GB drive bundled with the Xbox 360 may be inadequate over the long haul but it gurantees every single Xbox 360 buyer get universal for some major features, namely effectively unlimited save game space and caching for large games, especially those with high volumes of dynamic data. This is why Morrowind was on the Xbox but had to pass up the much larger PS2 market. Is the next game in the series also going to be console exclusive to the Xbox 360 for lack of another platform where the required feature set is standard?
If Microsoft's proposed applications for the hard drive become popular there will likely be demand for greater capacity but until that time comes there is no point in offering anything more than the least costly solution. Having USB ports and a detachable drive allows for plenty of growth after the machine is sold. By the time greater capcity becomes a requirement in the eyes of most users the cost of offering that drive will have gone down. No point in spending the money prematurely.
Quite a lot can be done in 20 GB on a dedicated console. Vastly more than can be done with 0 GB.
I really want to see Sony, Nintendo and Xbox competing in non-game market. Then we can replace all PCs with these systems and sell them for cheap :P On the other hand... that would increase the console price and less reason to hack the hardware.
Sony is already selling millions of Windows licenses on their PCs and laptops every year without Microsoft having to support any proprietary equipment. It is the single most profitable part of the computer sale but the money all goes to Microsoft. Why would they bother with the PS3 when they could instead offer that functionality to Xbox 360 owners? As for MacOS X, perhaps Ken hasn't been following the news but Apple has already chosen their next architecture and it ain't Cell.
Sony trotted out this nonsense before. I remember being at the E3 press event where they touted their partnership with AOL with demos of IM clients and Netscapes browsers running on PS2 in their booth. By the following year all of that had disappeared without a trace as the reality sank in that the PS2 wasn't going to replace anyone's PC. Millions of windows licenses running Sony PCs later, they're trying again. I'm inclined to think that anyone wanting to play with Nvidia shaders under OpenGL has long since done under a freely download Linux distribution or on a Mac. As for Cell, IBM is intent on finding more customers for it and will likely make a PCI-E board featuring a Cell and local RAM if they ever get to the point that Sony isn't absorbing all of their output. Considering that Sony had had to declare 1 out of the 8 SPEs redundant due to the severe defect rate, that could be quite a while. But when the time comes most homebrew programmers will probably find it much easier to experiement with a Cell within a PC than using a PS3 when Sony is intent on suppressing unauthorized game publishing.
The #1 thing I use the xbox HD for is for ripping my own music.
I can't imagine who listens to EA TRAX instead of their own music. My god.. it's like EA trying to stick their dick in your ear.
#21
If you think OS X and major apps can be made to run on the PS3 without a major effort requiring source code access, I've got some public infrastructure I'd like to sell to you.
The PPC core in the Cell is very different from the CPU found in any Mac supporting OS X. Having an ISA in common does not mean software is simply going to run. The value of hacking OS X to run on a PS3 in light of the mammoth effort required would be extremely questionable. And no, the license does not allow it. Apple quite specifically authorizes OS X to run solely on Apple hardware. There have been no legal clone systems since well before OS X launched.
I would much rather buy my own harddrive. The PS3 has hardware that will make the price skyrocket, so anything to keep the price low is good with me.
I assume most of you commenters and readers are tech savvy so you'd know where to get a harddrive and for cheap. Getting my own harddrive is the least of my worries.
Just STFU and wait.
HAVNT ANY OF YOU NOTICED? Its not even the standard drive size if I'm correct..?
2.5 is the laptop standard is it not? 3.5 is whats in home pcs... and guess what that means? 2.5 drives are way more expensive than 3.5 drives...
I still prefer sony far better over microsoft for the fact that my 3 ps2s that all were bought near launch have had less cumlative problems than my single xbox... its simply more stable when I'm playing... I dont care what the "experts" say, or for that matter the other gamer... I have had more problems with my xbox that was bought 7 months after release than my 3 ps2s that were bough within 3 months of relase.....Thats not to mention that A. I cant watch a dvd on the thing because I simply refuse to pay for a 30$ remote to add a functionality THAT IS ALREADY THERE, or that it cant read CD-Rs,,, or or or,,, seems like the ONLY way to have a nice, stable, xbox is to mod it and plunk a bigger hd in there because the stock one on mine flipped out and makes the clicking noises symbolising failure to read data... anyway... just seems like microsoft put a bad influence on sony... look! you can rip customers off EVEN MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO!, and microsoft is obviously following that mentality with "rocketgirl" or whatever who will make digital T-shirts with logos on them and sell them on Live... wow.. that sounds GREAT!,,, gah sucks realizing such idiocy on both sides.. seeing as I do love halo... haha
I remember hearing all this before the launch of the PS2. We were going to download movies, music and games to the optional HD.
The optional HD that launched 4 years after the console itself and had a life span of around 6 months before the new PS2 design rendered it useless.
No thanks Sony. I've had enough of your lies.
The world is going to be awesome in a year, when PS3s are the primary equipment used for professional television broadcasting, the PhotoShop for PS3 port trounces both Windows and Mac versions in popularity, and NCSA starts working solely with PS3s.
I do wonder why Kutaragi didn't mention the nanotech replicator feature that will, as a little bonus on the side, allow the PS3 to provide you with a free pony.
#25 that is the funniest thing I have heard in my life. Quote, "It's like their sticking their dick in your ear". rofl
Sony, I want to like you... after all, I still plug in the old PS2 almost daily. Looking back, I may have been better suited by the Xbox if I had waited a year.
I do want a HDD, no matter how small... I want the HDD support from all game makers... not just the socoms. I want game saves without having to play with little flash cards.
Sony, I don't want you telling me that I need this, or should have that... I want a good gaming system, decent graphics and I want it for a decent price.
I will support your "Sony Only" devices like BluRay and whatever... but don't blow smoke up my arse and tell me I love it.
Linux would be interesting. It would be possible to have the video playback capabilities that the xbox 360 would only get from having a media center pc as well. And you could play emulators. PS3 would easily emulate Dreamcast and before. (Although maybe not, since it seems development of chankast has stopped) Apps might not take advantage of the cell though. Theyd probably have to be rewritten, and it has been mentioned the extra cores on the PS3 cell might not be good for general computing.
dude, this is getting ridiculous. WE ARE BUYING A PC. And its going to be a barebones pc at that! While the $350 "pricetag" of the PS3(estimate) is freaking high enough, next thing you know they will have us buying $100 hard drives, $50 (god I'm hoping no more) OS's and oh yeah, upping the price of games. oooh, the ps3 can run linux. On a processor thats specifically tailored to put out the best graphics, WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK. My PC can run linux if I want linux! If I want a media center, I'll listen to music or watch a movie with my pc! And yet, if I just want to buy this damn thing to play freaking games, I'm still going to have to end up paying far more on just hardware than I should. Stick a 20 gig hard drive in there Sony! I don't care! It will be better than nothing! I'll delete stuff, I swear! Hearing you say that the 160 GB 2.5" hard drives that should be out by then will "not be enough" makes me sick! People are claiming this is going to bring about the end of PC gaming. I say this is the end of console gaming. The days of "buy console, hook up console, buy game, play" are all over.
Uggg lets recap this " its a SUPER COMPUTER ... but lets see its the xbox with the "general" cpu's .... and the cell with the floating point spe's.... ummm wouldnt that make the xbox a better "general" pc... hmmm do you guys really think this phases microsoft lol... i can imagine our old buddy alchin! " HA NO DRIVE... and LINUX on the drive they do sell... WOW im quivering..." they do realize there up against MICROSOFT... Next thing you know "Microsoft Windows XP 360" Theres already what 6 sku's for windows ... they already said USB keyboard and mouses are supported on the xbox360 ... microsoft owns the new xbox and windows ... lets see... whats that an instant 30 million more windows PC's LOL now thats what MS Should do :) I have a profound new respect for microsoft after hearing all the BULL from sony over how the xbox is this and that and the ps3 is so super yet doesnt even have a harddrive... I feel like im watching 2 children argue ... 1 childish screaming about how the others gay and childish while the other one is keeping quite secretly planning to poor exlax in PS3boys coke when not looking ;) I mean alchin has been adult enough to not directly bash the PS3 or sony while this stupid "xbox 1.5" cracks and other unfounded bull that sonys throwing around its pathetic. I just pray MS is gonna throw some SERIOUS cross platform muscle at this entire deal.
great ! the more options we have the more we can do. No one is forced to get the $$$ upgrades. People who want to do this stuff can, and im shure one of them :)
All of you little 360/microsoft fanboys can just shove it. Quit saying that all you want is a gaming machine. Quit saying Sony can't do anything right when it comes to consoles. Quit getting so damn worried. Everyone is just trying to diss the ps3 because they had their little hearts set on the 360 before they knew about the ps3. Now you all are just trying to rationalize. You all know the ps3 is better than 360. How can you falt Sony for wanting to add linux to the PS3. It is just like when all of the Nintendo fanboys dissed sony for adding Music, movies, and photos to the psp. If your going to do something you may as well do it all instead of having little add-ons and hacks that come out every month to enhance the system. You cannot fault Sony for wanting to add variety to the ps3. Instead of having to hack to have linux, why not just have it in the first place. The ps3 will be a great platform for any OS. . . Relatively cheap, accessible, extremely fast. Sony is very smart for trying to do as many things as possible with the ps3.
Those of you who think dual core is faster than cell are misinformed, refuse to see the truth or are simply liars. The cell will be running essentially 7 cores compared to what? Dual Cores? It just doesn't add up. Now, I'm no chip engineer or anything, so lets say im wrong. The cell will still be a lot faster than any other processor in the next console generation.
So, don't rag on the friggin ps3, just because it may be better than lovely microsoft's 360, doesn't mean that you have to hate it. If you hate linux, aren't going to watch hi-def movies, don't want seven controllers, are all about games, don't want a cheap blue-ray drive, need halo, ken katuragi pisses you off, want a 20gb hard drive for game saves with no linux, don't like Sony, Hate KILLZONE, HATE FINAL FANTASY, HATE GTA, Don't like networked drives, eyetoy, or boomerangs, anything else that you happen to hate about sony just don't buy the damn ps3. Get yourself a 360 and be content. But don't freakin hate Sony and the ps3 because it dares to be better than your precious XBOX
Ugg like you said your not a chip designer but for once just shut the hell up if you dont know what your talking about you idiotic ps3 fanboy ... lets see
"do it all instead of having little add-ons and hacks that come out every month to enhance the system"
u mean little addons like actually having a harddrive without having to buy one? And the fact of the drive isnt for saving games its for caching games... and i hate to say it considering DVD is at 12x and is quite fast transfer rates and response time caching only helps it the bluray is a MUCH slower drive in all tests so caching would have tremendously helped it but no now ps3 is gonna be plagued by load times because of ignorance to try to get the box relatively cheap ... relatively? come on the damn things gonna be 350-400$ its already been said with the possibility to be higher.
I dont hate killzone... or atleast i dont hate the killzone MOVIE but i dont like the fact they passed it off as actual gameplay when its not.
Now back to your moron of a comment about the 7 cores... its not 7 cores its 7 spe's and 1 core the spe's are stripped cores that are pretty well only good for floating point calculations and nothing more with reduced pathways and very little more. There gonna be awesome for stuff like AI and graphics but besides that all GENERAL computing has to go to the MAIN CPU on the cell and that is ONE not 7 of them... While the xbox360 has 3 (since when did 3 become dual?) General CPU's tweaked to work with the XNA...
Stop being such an ignorant fool and sucking up with sony and there ps3... considering the contextual facts from tech documents that have been published and lots of online discussions it sgoing to be a pretty close battle but as a GENERAL computer (windows or linux) it will not be a suitable "SUPER COMPUTER" to replace say a regular athlon 64. It just simply doesnt have that TYPE of performance characteristics.
They'd better put a half of gig of bug-proof flash memory in it at the very least. I can't believe they're thinking of making us dick around with memory cards on a "next gen" system. Get a fucking clue, Sony. My old Zelda carts saved games better than a PS2 does these days.
Ha you mean the tech documents that were released by microsoft, on a chipset(cell) that isn't even complete, in production or even prototyped?
lol i can understand if they had a cell chip and tested it, but they don't, and they haven't so none of that stuff is factual only hypothesis.
oh and the ps3 will use memory sticks, SD cards for saves, xbox 360 will be using it's own propriety format plus hd's for saves.
the revolution will have a 512 flash drive.... hopefully they'll have the option for a usb hd because well i plan on downloading all 221 nintendo classics to play on my rev, and i hardly doubt 512megs will fit 221games :)
I had great memories of the days of Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, which was great computers that are great games machines. You can connect them to a TV, do productive works, learn programming and plays games that kick anyting that expensive PCs of that day could come out with. A PS3 with Linux installed could bring back those glory days. Also a lot of people buy PC just have access to Internet. Imagine PS3 with Linux and a browser plus access to all those free open source software.
I had great memories of the days of Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, which was great computers that are great games machines. You can connect them to a TV, do productive works, learn programming and plays games that kick anyting that expensive PCs of that day could come out with. A PS3 with Linux installed could bring back those glory days. Also a lot of people buy PC just have access to Internet. Imagine PS3 with Linux and a browser plus access to all those open source software.
I would like to point out that the number of floating point operations are one of the most important part of a graphics chipset so having 7 cores (whatever you want to call them! there are 7!) that specialize in floating point operations is NOT A BAD IDEA!! Honestly, I prefer sony's approach to processor design which seems to focus more on graphics/gameplay than all the extra general bullshit, which is why I made that post a while ago bitching about sony feeling the need to add freaking linux? I don't want another desktop. I want a console. I'd rather they focus more on the games/gameplay than all the multimedia crap. ahh damn, now I sound like a Nintendo fanboy.
oh what about the controller that can be used as a virtual boomerang infront of the eyetoy. beat that xbox 360. HA
for all of you griping over the harddrive.
Think about it at first...
cost? is it really effective? it could be beneficial to ms to include one... but compare the media differences. you have a 4gb dvd compared to a 50gb bluray. the games on the ps3 will be much bigger(space wise) because they have the room. plus I like the idea of the harddrive coming out with a cell linux.
that right there is worth the extra money.
Umm "svecias", microsoft uses a 9gb Harddrive, I believe their game discs are dual-layered. Secondly, no linux is not a good enough reason to buy an optional hard-drive, like many of the people b4 this post, linux could easily be ran on the computer you wrote your post with. There's no reason for you to go buy a Ps3 and get shitted into buying an optional hd just to run linux, when you can download linux for free! Additionally, the blu-ray format is dead. Not only has sony recently failed to reach an agreement with toshiba but a company called iomega has produced a dvd that hold 800 gb's and cost the same to manufacture as today's dvd's.....Damn. So if your looking next gen console the choice is obvious, Xbox 360. Better online play through xbox live, more third party support through EA, Square-Enix, Take-Two, etc. And also you will know what your buying. It was only yesterday when I too dreamed about AOL messaging on my Ps2. Unfourtunately, those dreams never synthesized so now I frag/snipe/destroy people in Halo over xbox live. And this november, I invite you to join me. Peace
Starting to yawn about the specs and hard drives. My PC has a hard drive, my lap top has a hard drive, my MP3 player has 40gb like I need another hard drive?
Graphics? I watched a driving game movie from IGN for the PS3 and if they are real time then yes they are amazing. BUT
What are you doing different from the driving games on your mega drive? fast , slow, left, right.
The video game needs some inovations...not just better graphics and hard drives.
Also with development costs rising developers can't afford for a game to fail so they rehash their games that sell, not always a bad idea but it becomes a little boring with nothing but first person shooters, or prince of persia 7. There may be hundreds of games out for the ps2 but how many are actually good? Same with the x-box? I dont care who makes a system I was going to buy an x-box but after a weekend with a friends system there was nothing that screamed at me to buy it.
I currently have hooked up a mega drive, Nintendo 64, Gamecube and a PS2.
I bought a PSP. Yes it's amazing but where are the games? I'm on a plane and in airports a lot, I've cleared ridge racer and finished Wipeout pure (almost). Where are the new games?
I'm putting my faith in Nintendo for the next console race, time for a big change. I really hope Revolution lives up to its name or its going to be like putting a Lamborghini badge on a Nissan Micra.
we shoudl not forget that ibm is going to have a talk about running linux on cell in the near future. and they are testing the use of cell in blade-server setups.
basicly i dont see the problem here. if one can say hook up a of the shelf scanner and printer to the ps3 and get them to work under the linux os booting off the drive then presto you have a home system that not only can be used for basic home computer tasks (you know, web surfing, mail, some text and spreadsheets, im) and allso will be a kickass gaming machine (the moment you reboot the system with a game in the bluray drive).
with no hard drive, the ps3 will have a cheaper price tag and still have the full game power. this is a marketing strategy to sell more ps3 in the first months.
when kutagari says that 120 gb is not enough it's because some poeple will also use their ps3 as an media center and will store all their music and video (hd) in it and quickly reach that limit.
what i need on my ps3, it's the ability to use a share drive of my win xp computer over wi-fi so with no extra money i'll anyway have a hard drive.
> Anyways isn't the Xbox 360 HD optional also?
No, it isn't... it's a critical part of the business plan.
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burch, as you said, you're no chip expert... check out the Ars Technica article about the 360 processors, here's a quote that should get xbox and ps3 fan bois feeling a little funny inside...
"At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn't get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3's Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don't bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3's L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon's L2. So the PS3 doesn't get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs."
Here's the link to the conclusion page... the rest of the article is pretty hard core. Bascially tho, each box is a graphics powerhouse and neither is set up to do everything else very well. The 360 beats the ps3 in the 'everything else' category, but not by much.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars/7
I can't wait to see the launch prices.
wow... the console wars are crazy than ever now that alot of us gamers are full fledged adults... most of you will buy all 4 systems even though there's only 3 coming out! that's how hardcore you are!
but did anyone notice this post about the revolution over 20 pages back from here? i saved it... and when i went to look for it again it seemed to be gone. i wonder what you all might think... i will paste it here
23. Posted May 23, 2005, 11:12 PM ET by ???????????
Nintendo Revolution
-HDTV-Projector (Supports all televisions)
-3D-Projection Display technology (3D Stereoscoping, headset optional and sold separately) (All games will be supported)
-Device that rips NES, SNES, N64, & GBA games and allows full graphics customization and customizable controls and physics.
- Complete Development Tool kit that allows full use of hardwares power. (Also works hand-in-hand with previous generation software ripper)
-Light gun signal scan technology (possibly not included in final build)
-Touch-pad controllers (Wireless, gyroscopic, allows innovative game handling and can mimic any desired control scheme)
-Wi-Fi connectivity enabled (completely free and fully realized online play)
- 5.1 Digital surround sound (final component similar to YSP-1 digital sound projector)
- 20 GB Hard Drive
- Dedicated Physics Chip
- IBM Broadway processor with synchronized 12-processing cores. Top clock speed: 5.2 GHz
- ATI Hollywood graphics chipset with dedicated dual 1.8 GHZ processing cores and up to 2 GB of dual channel SDRAM.
- Triple Dedicated AI chips
-Ability to be able to download and store NES, SNES, N64, and Custom Games in a and play in a virtual environment.
-600 MB GDDR3 RAM
All technology will be close together within a symbiotic architecture by a process called marrying which allows the hardware to absorb less power and function at an extremely faster rate. The architecture design is made by bonding and marrying Artificial Intelligence chips very close to 98% of the hardware. With the dev. Tool now included it will be the easiest console to develop for by far. The innovation in the technology was not meant to hinder or in any way leave behind a tried and true controller or gameplay scheme but to make it more interactive and the water cooler moments are represented in the whole experience and the world that you are playing in. For example: Have you ever been playing a game and stopped to see if the blades of grass were blowing independently? Now you can just blow on them to see them move!
Custom IBM Broadway CPU
-12 symmetrical cores running at 3.8GHz each
-8 hardware threads per core, 10 hardware threads total
-8 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 5 total
-680 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
-5 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
-110 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Hollywood Graphics chipset
-dedicated dual 1.8 Ghz processing cores
-15 MB embedded DRAM
-48-way parallel floating point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
-Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
-200 billion triangles per second
Pixel fill rate
-26 gig samples per second filtrate using 4x MSAA
Shader performance
-870 billion shader operations per second
Memory
-600 MB GDDR3 RAM
-1.2 Ghz DDR
-Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
-34.2 MB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
-870 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
-62.4 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating Point Performance
-43 Teraflops
Storage
-20 GB Hard Drive
-Blue-Ray disc drive
-Memory unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
-support for 7 wireless game controllers
-support for 4 game cube controllers
-3 USB 2.0 ports
-2 memory unit slots
-slot for 512 MB of flash memory
Optimized for Online
-Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
-completely free premium online service, customizable
-Built-in video camera ready
-voice activation and recognition online and offline
Digital Media Support
-Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, BLU-RAY, HD-DVD, JPEG PHOTO CD
-Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows Pcs
-Rip music and games to NESVOLUTION hard drive
-custom playlists in every game
-Interactive, full screen 3D visualizes
HD projection game support
-All games supported at 16:9, 720p, 1080i, anti-aliasing
-standard-definition and high-definition three-dimensional and standard dimension video output supported
Audio
-Multichannel 5.1 surround sound output
-Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
-400 independent decompression channels
-64-bit audio processing
-over 640 audio channels
System Orientation
-Stands vertically or horizontally
1. what's the price tag
2. what's the big deal w/linux. you can run it on xbox today along with any other tech device.
3. ken is making alot of promises/statements (running OSX...LOL). he needs to address the online gaming feature of their new machine.
4. nothing is true until it hits the shelves. there is no 360. there is no ps3. there is no revolution. there is no spoon.
Nice try, #52. I can't imagine that we're going to be paying 3000 dollars for our Nintendo Revolutions with HD Projector, though.
Very, very funny though.
jojo - I'm assuming that's a joke because those specs are BS. pretty lame. Gee, I wonder why it was deleted.
g - "what i need on my ps3, it's the ability to use a share drive of my win xp computer over wi-fi so with no extra money i'll anyway have a hard drive." ... So you need an Xbox 360?
The obvious problem with NOT having a hard drive is that developers won't develop for it ... ever. However, I'm unsure what "optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory" means in the article. IMO, it would be better to not include the hard drive, but require one for game play, than leave the hard drive as an option, so developers can bank on one being there.
If you aren't a chip engineer, don't start spouting off how the cell is better than the tri-core 360 processor. You sound like an idiot. Both procs are ridiculously powerful, and which systems looks and plays better will come down to the quality of the compilers (however, it's my guess that most crossover games will be pretty much the same on both systems). The Ars Technica articles on the procs are really good (far better than that Major Nelson article (Microsoft's marketing spin to counter Sony's marketing spin), but with some assumptions that come across as facts can be a little misleading. The problem with CPUs, is that you can't quantify how one proc is superior to another because the masses only listen for buzz words (i.e. megahertz (AMD vs Intel) and teraflops). A CPU is a complex engineering design but is only a piece of a system that has no singular term to define its performance. And in the case of consoles, where hardware is completely set-in-stone, you need to look at the entire system to guage which will be superior (my money is on the Xbox, but only slightly).
no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it wont be enough. - is poo. I love the Xboxes PC extender capabilities (stream my media PC content straight to my living room, because my wife won't let me put a PC in the living room, but I can sneak an Xbox in (although not the original because it was fugly)). My prediction as to what Ken is really saying: if we put a 2.5 hard drive in the PS3, we won't be able to come close to the Xbox 360 release price of $300, so it's going to be required but as an option to the consumer as to which size to buy, just so that we can release the crippled console at $300 w/ the mandatory purchase of memory cards/hard drive.
just read plz http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell1.html
So I'm gonna shell out for this ... (ahem) Super Computer, and then lay some Windows Xp SP2 love on it and watch it come screaming to a halt.
Bet the vole's gonna love seeing it's labour of love running on the competitions machine, good luck getting those PS3 drivers "Digitally Signed".
Does this mean that the PS3 hardware will support DirectX?
Please somebody tell me that I'm not going to spend my time having to install my console games before I can play them, PS2 load times were bad enough.
What the Hell is Ken going on about?, is he not satisfied with verbally abusing the competition's priduct at every opportunity?
Or is all this just a way to confuse us into thinking that the Next Gen consoles are actually Next Gen, not more powerful rehashes of the Last Gen, Add-On Hard Drives? perhaps Nintendo-boy Iwata has a point, nothing new to see here but prettier graphics and better physics.
Then why am I still excited?, should games be re-classified as addictive substances?
Enough.
any1 hear that? Kutaragi gives an interesting perspective on sound and why the PS3 doesn't have a separate sound chip for doing audio. "It's obvious that we shouldn't have a sound chip. Because [the audio] is all calculated [through Cell]. Sound is not the about the number of voices, but is itself an object."
its new, its here, its the SUPER-CELL... LoL
As much as I liked his comment about being OS agnostic for the PS3 add-on, I'd like to see some proof of Sony's enlightened thinking in action first. This is the same company that rebuffed the offer Steve Jobs made with Sony co-owning the iTunes Music Store. Sony turned down the offer and instead went with its failure-of-a-store called "Connect" that only sells music in Sony's abysmal ATRAC format, meaning it only plays on Sony's own unpopular MP3 players (and other Sony hardware). Sony's music label in Japan currently is the buffer to getting the iTunes Music Store in Japan launched. Sony should stop this and actually approach Apple about sharing the iTunes Store again, and hammer out a licensing agreement so that Sony MP3 players can use the AAC+Fairplay format natively. I heard the Kevin Rose rumor that the PS3 will be iTunes 5.0 compatible and can buy tracks through the store, but it would be nice to see such cooperation in the marketplace now. The time is now. And then, maybe Jobs might relent and allow Tiger to run on the PS3 hard drive. After all, its not like the PS3 will hit Apple's sales. The PS3 will be stealing sales away from Dell and eMachines at the low-end.
nick - read the article. Old information, that's mostly purely skeptical (bad rumors). The updates are more current and debunk most of his speculation. The Ars Tecnica article on the Cell (which I think he references) is much more relevant and accurate.
A couple points worth mentioning:
1) the Cell is extremely powerful (although you won't be able to do distributed computing with your PS3 like he states) at computational operations as he states ... too bad games are only about 15% of computational operations (mostly graphics) which is why its power does NOT translate into a far more powerful console. 2 teraflops vs. 1 (PS3 vs XBox 360) does NOT equal 2x the power. If you were playing SETI, then your system would be twice as powerful.
2) the PS3 will only have 1 cell not 4 like he states, although he does correct himself in the update part (I would think he would just remove it from the original because it's on every page).
Sony fans are on crack if you buy this system, no HDD = longer load time. There are also 3rd party dev that a extremely upset that Sony will not provide a HD. If you like games like Morrowing, you better buy a 360, games like that will not show up on the PS3, I will also guarantee you that you will have to buy the HD to play any FF series this time around.
I buy GAME consoles to play games, I have 3 but for $500cnd I will not buy a bare bone PS3 and then dish out extra cash for all there little extras.
You can build a cheap PVR media centre with Linux for less then the PS3. I can't believe the shit that comes out of Sonys mouth.
How can any one be hyped up about this system???????? I have three Linux PCS and I never paid for Linux in my life!! Sony fan boys are on crack, take a serious look at what crap Sony is throwing at you.
nick - I didn't hear that, but he's actually correct .... for once. The audio is actually processed though the main CPU. The unfortunate result of that though is that audio requires significant branching which ideally runs on CPUs with branch predictability and with large caches. The cell has 1 core and 7 SPEs that have no branch predictability and a small cache. So, a developer can choose to run the audio through that 1 main core along with the other branch intensive code (AI, game control, etc.) and the graphics and physics through the 7 SPEs.
Problem: 85% of your code is now on 1 core (2 threads) and 15% of your code is on 7 threads.
Solution: Offload significant chunk onto the SPEs where the code will not optimally perform.
Result: Expensive solution for the similar results of a cheaper and more efficient tri-core solution, but the stat sheet looks good because you have a "CELL" processor. Too bad the financials won't look as impressive.
WOW...Such fervor, such drama.
Whoever said that this could be the end of console gaming (or conversely computer gaming) was probably right in that the line between straight consoles and multi-use home computers is definitely bluring.
Linux on the PS3 ? Um...ok...why not ? It's running on everything else. It's cool but I can't see it as anything too special since as stated, nigh EVERYTHING already runs it...
Mandatory accessory HDD ? Ploy. Business Ploy. Nothing more. Designed to keep the advertised price as low as possible so as to get the uninformed consumer into a place where they have already invested so much money that they will pay the extra so the initial expenditure (purchase price of the console) does not go to waste. Sony is far from the first to employ the strategy (probably because it works) and they will certainly not be the last.
Cell vs Triple-Proc ? As said it will come down to the implementation. Which is more powerful...a .22 or a .44 ? In a shootout which is more dangerous, a skilled veteran gunman with a .22 or Hellen Keller with a .44 ? There is NO REAL ANSWER...because they *could* kill each other (or any inocent bystander) just as dead. But it really all comes down to how the tech is used, and not the tech itself. What will happen is a function of what *could* happen, not the other way around. So we WILL just have to see how both consoles develop in the comming years...
Console Multimedia Abilities ? Again, everything is converging these days. As we all build our 'digital paradises' in our bedrooms and living rooms there is increasingly more overlap. So I agree that for many, some of these side features are overlap because that function is covered by dedicated or superior hardware we've already purchased. But on the other hand it's good for backup, and some people might actually desire the *simplicity* of having one consumer oriented device to do EVERYTHING. I was researching the Dreamcast's broadband add on the other day, and one of the ebay adds mentioned using your DC basicaly as a portable computer if you don't have a laptop. I had never really thought about it, but it kinda made sense. Gaming, internet access (via dial-up), VCD/CD(/and later MP3) playback all in your hotel room. Not bad (for the time and price). With laptops used+new being so cheap these days you probably can get one easily enough, but it is ONE reason why having all these functions in one sub $500 price is nice.
A 'Supercomputer' ? No. Not this gen anyway. When the PS(0-X) starts hurting Vaio sales...THEN they will have a supercomputer, but not yet. Consoles might do most everything that a desktop PC does, but the closed nature of their hardware means it will be a long time before consoles come close to displacing my homebrew PCs. You can change/customize/upgrade your PC as often as you like and can afford to. At this point, consoles are still rather limited in the hardware you can add or change (ironically enough at least with the DC you could upgrade the graphics card. I don't know if this was ever an option with any other console. Feel free to enlighten me though if you wish). True, with boot disks and emulators you can in some instances circumvent the need for different hardware, but if you want to add power...wait 5+ years and buy a new console (and probably a lot of the accessories will need to be purchased anew as well).
These are not strikes against consoles. Just reasons why IMHO consoles are going to remain consoles for a few more gens...
But all this said, why is anyone unhappy ? Why all the griping and bickering ? First, these machines are not necessities...computer/console whatever...ultimately they're TOYS. Nothing to get upset about. Second, you can buy *both* and have it all if it's that freakin' important to you. If you are not monied, do what I do, wait a few years and buy the stuff used. I had the old DC out the other night and was amazed how much fun it still is. A trip through ebay shows even the rare accessories (BB adapter) are still pretty easy to get. Games are $10 or less.
All of us in here are gadget freaks, we love our toys! But why get our collective panties in a twist about what *other* people are craving/wanting/buying/building ? It's the new generation comming people! And that means new toys for all of us. Such diversification of development paths and strategies just means most everyone will be able to have what they want.
So just sit back, chill out and watch what happens...
...cause in 5 - 7 years we're gonna do all this again anyway... :)
Peace!
Just some documents for those interested to read...
www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-expert1.html#N10269
www.research.ibm.com/cell/
www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-nl3-calendar/
www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/D9439D04EA9B080B87256FC00075CC2D
I'll have to say that the Cell will probably prove all the naysayers wrong when it comes out.
One of the reasons that one SPU/SPE is reserved is probably for DRM purposes.
Think of Cell like a cluster of computers with a single Control node handling all the instructions. Think of data and programs that are catered for this processing. The compiler is the key to success for the Cell.
Think of xBox2 as a single SMP system. Think of this processing like off-the-shelf software running on a kickass processor.
Who knows maybe multiple PS3s can be connected together in a cluster configuration.
On a sidenote, Power5+, Power6 and Power7 is going to kick ass, and AIX rocks.
:)
WOW, sony has really lost it's focus. They are really trying to make this thing the be all and end all to everything. I just don't see how they can do it successfully. Remember the surest way to failure is to try to please everybody all the time. That seems to be what sony is trying to do. I think sony is desperate because they are losing money on just about everything else. Sony makes fabulous hardware but chooses to cripple everything they make with propriotary formats such as atrac, md, and memory sticks no wonder they are losing money.
This must be the new wave of marketing... offer a system that does not come with a "part", but in order to use it you must buy the "part" on top of the cash you are going to spend with the console...
Saran -
The Cell is a phenomenal technology, but it's a technology that doesn't work well with games. If you're doing SETI, it's great, because you can just keep spawning threads as more Cell SPEs become available to do computational processing. Games are NOT computational processing; you can't just spawn threads at will to do computing. Your PS3 can NOT piggy any other machine with a cell processor due to network latency issues.
The Xbox 360 is like a 3 processor machine, but actually better because you don't have the heat problems, and more importantly, the cache is shared.
I fail to see how a single core Cell is better than the tri-core 360 chip for games. I think any developer would agree with me, unless of course they are being paid by Sony.
"One of the reasons that one SPU/SPE is reserved is probably for DRM purposes." - I am unclear as to how disaster recovery is a benefit in a game console.
"Who knows maybe multiple PS3s can be connected together in a cluster configuration." - Again, please reference the latency issue above as well as the coding impracticality of it. I have a difficult time envisioning how a game is going to utilize over 1/2 of the 7 SPEs 100%, let alone all 7 at once even 10% of the time. From my experience, you need branching prediction and large caches (actual cores) to write effective and efficient game code, not dumb number crunchers like the SPEs of Cell technology.
I know providing a hard drive to utilize would be a significant advantage and far more useful than the possibility of utilizing other Cell SPEs. Again, if it's not out of the box, it won't get developed for.
Sony,
Thanks for once again making our goal to be number one in the gaming industry easier. All the hype without ever delivering was one thing, but this is just great! Thanks also for not even attempting to compete with our online service, dominating that market couldn't have been easier.
Mr. Kutaragi, I would like to personally thank you for your verbal attacks on our console. This shows us that you are fearful that the system that makes up over 55% of your companys net income, is gonna continue to lose even more market share than it already has. How about delivering on your promises to the fans of your console as we have? How about actually delivering on an ounce of the hype you speak of regarding the upcoming PS3? For that matter, I hear some PS2 fans are still waiting for the Emotion Engine to deliver 1/3 of what you guys said it would? I can only imagine the PS3 will go the same route. Long story short, we will be number one in this market soon. We have played fair up to this point and continue to climb in market share. However as a friendly warning, if you don't watch your comments, we will just buy the industry and then you will have nothing to worry about.
In closing, you may have pulled the wool over your fanboys eyes at e3 while running pure CG while we were running actual in game footage. Forget the fact that the graphics of our games running and playable on the e3 floor, were similar to the best your next hype machine will ever produce, forget that. What you need to keep in mind is that those were only Alpha kits running at just 30% of the power of our next console. I'll also remind you that graphics don't make the games, game play does. At any rate, just wanted to drop a big thank you for all you're doing to continue to screw your fanbase over.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Xbox Division
PS. During the next 5-10 years as we take over number one in market share, it will be very painful for you to watch. We at MS want you to know we understand this and you will not be the first we've done this to. As a parting gift from 1st place, I'm including a free Xbox 360 and our full line up of titles! Feel free to enjoy all the new Xbox Live features as well. Perhaps while you're enjoying XBL you could apologize to the loads of gamers that would have been playing your system had you delivered on the hype!
Sony,
Thanks for once again making our goal to be number one in the gaming industry easier. All the hype without ever delivering was one thing, but this is just great! Thanks also for not even attempting to compete with our online service, dominating that market couldn't have been easier.
Mr. Kutaragi, I would like to personally thank you for your verbal attacks on our console. This shows us that you are fearful that the system that makes up over 55% of your companys net income, is gonna continue to lose even more market share than it already has. How about delivering on your promises to the fans of your console as we have? How about actually delivering on an ounce of the hype you speak of regarding the upcoming PS3? For that matter, I hear some PS2 fans are still waiting for the Emotion Engine to deliver 1/3 of what you guys said it would? I can only imagine the PS3 will go the same route. Long story short, we will be number one in this market soon. We have played fair up to this point and continue to climb in market share. However as a friendly warning, if you don't watch your comments, we will just buy the industry and then you will have nothing to worry about.
In closing, you may have pulled the wool over your fanboys eyes at e3 while running pure CG while we were running actual in game footage. Forget the fact that the graphics of our games running and playable on the e3 floor, were similar to the best your next hype machine will ever produce, forget that. What you need to keep in mind is that those were only Alpha kits running at just 30% of the power of our next console. I'll also remind you that graphics don't make the games, game play does. At any rate, just wanted to drop a big thank you for all you're doing to continue to screw your fanbase over.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Xbox Division
PS. During the next 5-10 years as we take over number one in market share, it will be very painful for you to watch. We at MS want you to know we understand this and you will not be the first we've done this to. As a parting gift from 1st place, I'm including a free Xbox 360 and our full line up of titles! Feel free to enjoy all the new Xbox Live features as well. Perhaps while you're enjoying XBL you could apologize to the loads of gamers that would have been playing your system had you delivered on the hype!
PS3 is now even more of a computer than 360 will ever be! I'm more interested in an all-purpose computer/entertainment machine... and frankly, the 360 can't do half of what the PS3 will be able to do.
All bow to the power of the PS3! XD
Did you even see the press confrerence for Xbox 360? They showed what the system will be able to do. You can browse and buy music, watch TV recordings, Play a DVD, and if a friend from Xbox live sends in invite you can immediately accept and play.
I haven't seen a whole video from the sony press conference, I just saw clips of their CG trailers and photos of their power point presentations. Great, the PS3 can forcast my company's fiscal earnings and profits. they haven't shown a loading screen if you haven't noticed (no load times?!).
WOW. Xbox fanboys, stop being ignorant and ps fanboys need to stop being so confident.
All you people need to stop dwelling on the past and look towards the future. times change guys. Linux could be a huge success this time around. but no one knows for sure.
i think we all just need to stop being so "shutdown the other system" happy, go get as much facts as we can, and then post them after your sure of something. dont just make stupid un-real comments about how inferier the other system is to yours. to the people who know your wrong it makes you sound like a complete idiot. and to the people who dont know yet that your wrong, soon they will find out... and then yourll look like a complete idiot
I would like a cheap, stable, fast computer that does most everything.
As any fule kno, the XBOX was a scuttled PC becuase M$ have a vested interest in the PC market. The 360 is a scuttled PC with a very nice processor, becuase M$ have a vested interest in the PC market
The thing is, PC architecture has been the same for a couple of decades, and right now, it's just bad design. Any serious advances in design are most likely to come from the console market.
I just don't know if the PS3 will be that serious advance.
If the OS that comes with the PS3 can't access the SPEs, then it's another scuttled PC. If it does, then copy protecting games is much more difficult.
Exporting as a computer, and donating code about the intarweb are good signs.
The prop. blu-ray and hard drives are a bad sign. (greedy b******ds).
Whatever, I would have thought that in this competative environment, you might as well take a pop at the PC as soon as you can. I know sony like to play the long game, but how much did Ford make on the model T?
So what I'm hearing a lot of is:
Because X didn't happen before, X will never happen?
I don't even want to begin with the logical fallacy of that statement. I mean to take the Sony failed in delivering once argument to another point, people believed that a woman was going to be elected president by the 1960s in the 50s. It never happened, so thus it's pointless to look for a female president in the future.
Personally, I'm kind of routing for anyone other than Microsoft. I personally find the games they have... well, boring. I don't like sports games. I don't like shooting things in the head. I want roleplaying games or party games, or weird fun games about rolling balls and sticking objects to them. I want things that innovate, things that are quirky and fun, not Dead or Alive or Halo.
Microsoft isn't exactly a company of innovation. It's not really too much of a problem to call them anti-innovation. If they dominate the game industry, I can pretty much promise you that the game industry will proceed to stagnate as they flood the market with stuff that's tried and true, averse to trying out experimental things here and there.
Sony is kind of the golden mean with this. Love them or hate them, the Eye Toy, bringing over games such as Katamari Damancy, the dance dance pads, the Taiko drums and Karaoke microphone show that they're more aware than Microsoft that gamers want variety and to try something new. You can have your eighty million shooting games, and Madden-I've-been-dead-for-eighty-years-and-they're-still-using-my-name and keep in the more playful things. A lot of gamers seem to hate these sorts of games because they deem them "juvenile" and dislike systems that proport them for "dumbing down video games."
Which is weird coming from people who are playing glorified cops and robbers on their computers.
Nintendo comes hard from the games are fun camp, and if a genie came in and gave me three wishes that all had to deal with video game companies (I don't know, very specialized genie I suppose) I would wish that Nintendo comes out ahead in this next bout. Without Nintendo pushing the bar for what to do, what games are fun, and not being concerned about other companies... well, we lose a lot. My little sisters personally are routing for the Revolution because "It's not a boy system" and I've heard a lot from other female gamers.
When you're considering what game systems to buy, don't just consider the games--think about what it's going to do to the game market. Nintendo's games will definitely push towards a more gamer oriented market, and Microsoft winning will pull away to a very stablized and less experimental.
If for no other reason, supporting Sony means a firm stance against Microsoft re-creating the tragedy that befell the Atari 2600 when people just ceased to care about games anymore.
I'm willing to shell out 500 bucks for that.
Le'Gasp, what? Sony rolling back yet more features on their next Playstation?! No!! This has *never* happened before(PS, PS1, PS2, PSP), what a horrid shock! *Stroke*
Seriously though, expect more rollbacks, that's what Sony does, hypes it up the arse with pipe dreams, and once the fanboys are slobbering, quietly roll them back, which never makes any sort of news, no front page tech, sad. Well I'm sure it'll be a great console, I'm fascinated by how they intend to cool it, the power supply and all.
I expect the next rollback will be something more significant, I can't say I could guess at what it is, but the trend will most likely happen right up to production of the console itself, as it always has with Sony, and most likely always will.
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well I was going to get a PS3 anyway (well as soon as i can find one ;D ) but linux as well, thats a real bonus, HD is not needed anyway, just net boot of a file server. this is a living room device that I can read my email on, play games, watch movies listen to music - what else do I need. Would be nice if it uses 802.11a rather than g 5Ghz is the way to go. My brother bought a 360, and I was not that impressed sure its a bit better, but I can wait for the PS3