Kutaragi confirms PS3 HDD will be add-on, and will run Linux

So we heard grumblings of this last week, and now we've got it straight from the Kutaragi's mouth, plus a few other interesting details. The PlayStation 3 won't be coming with an internal hard drive, because "no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough." Glossing over for the moment the curious logic of imagining zero capacity is somehow better than "not enough," we move on to the news that there will likely be at least several add-on HDD options available, both locally in a 2.5-inch drive bay and in the form of some sort of network drive. Furthermore, the (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive will run some sort of operating system, which will likely be Linux by default — but Kutaragi envisions other operating systems running on top of the Cell kernel as applications: "other PC operating systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger, if the publishers want to do so." Remember back when the PS3 moved out of the class of game consoles and into the class of entertainment machines? Well, now it's a full-blown supercomputer. A supercomputer running multiple OSes… on an optional hard drive? Commence head scratching…

[Thanks, anonymous]

[durablepants @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

yay!

[peter @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

sweet, now I can justify gettinga ps3 for work. I need to install visual studio on there and do some work.

[DI*CE @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

this is amazing, can u imagine running multiple OSes on the ps3 i mean its just crazy.

[Vella @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Uh, no... I'm going to remember this for 5 years later when people believe that the Playstation 4 is powered by photosynthesis. I think a grain of salt is not longer enough to take with announcements like this...

[Taylor Alexander @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I like how when the Sony guy was trash-talking the xbox 360, he said it was "More like an xbox 1.5" because it had "slightly more power" and "little else new"...
What does that make the PS3? Again, the HDD is optional, again, there is no in-depth network support, but now, it has more power...
How about the 360's full integration with the xbox live service (which will now be avaliable for free at some level), full integration with your windows PC (including the ability to access and stream media to your TV), integration with mobile media devices including iPods and PSPa, Combined with the standard power and video upgrades that a new machine gets...
Looks like sony just secured themselves the #2 spot in the console business...
-Taylor

[J @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Man, does Sony actually think an optional hard drive add-on will impress anyone? Come on, if they are going to upstage microsoft they are going to have to really work on their features. having double the terraflops of the 360 is not going to impress joe six-pack who is buying this for his family

[B4b4r @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Most of the people who will buy PS3 have no need for a HDD, even though they would learn to appreciate it if they were forced to use one. But for know it seems that Kutaragi is simply trying to please both sides, the umm, nerds and the trendy console gamers.

[Ghazi @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

This is awesome news for people who are interested in development. I own a Ps2 linux kit as well and it was a tremendous learning opportunity. Since the ps3 uses opengl, alot of code can be ported with some effort. This is a great way to harness the power of the ps3 for casual programmer without having to pay for full blown dev kits. also the minority-report-like technology is already here. the eye toy inventor gave a mind blowing demo of this already. check the article below:

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/584/584744p1.html?fromint=1

All in all, this is simply awesome

[Inferno @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I can't read the original article, but it appears it is a mandatory add-on... " (optional/add-on yet curiously mandatory) hard drive"

Does that mean we HAVE to buy one to play games?

[Bootes @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I see no reason why "joe six-pack" would be impressed by a hard drive. All it does for 90% of the console users is give them a place to save games other then on a memory card.

Anyways isn't the Xbox 360 HD optional also?

[DI*CE @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

this is amazing, can u imagine running multiple OSes on the ps3 i mean its just crazy.

[Sam @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Hey Sony!

I don't want a super computer, I want a frickin' game console! I don't need to run Linux on my Playstation. Why? Because I have a frickin' computer for that!

It makes me sad that Nintendo could drop out of this race, but I hope it doesn't happen. Nintendo is the only company that can really claim that it has the gamer's interests in mind. Sure, they've made some huge mistakers- no DVD? No broadband gaming? Awful, awful mistakes, but guess what, I can forgive Nintendo, because they wanted to make a really fun game console.

The Nintendo Gamecube would be a lot more popular if they hadn't made some of these mistakes, and also if they had learned that the business model they had for dealing with developers was not as effective in this day and age as it was 10-15 years ago. They screwed it up and they couldn't get any third party support, and Nintendo has failed in this generation. I'm not sure they will do much better in the next generation. But I give them this- they sure as hell want me to enjoy games. They want me to have a good time playing every one of their games and they want me to have new experiences playing their games. More innovative games come out for the Gamecube than anywhere else, so it's a shame that so few games are released for the system.

Sony can suck it.

[Byungmin @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

so does this mean my next pc might be the ps3??

O_o....

*confused*

[sam @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I think this illustrates how badly Sony needs the PS3 to be a success. Sony is losing tons of market share on their electronics to competitors, mostly Korean companies like Samsung. They need the Playstation line to make lot of money, and they will say almost anything to get you to buy one. Hopefully, they will also do lots of stuff to make sure the PS3 rocks. I'm highly suspicious of them talking about a network drive! How much is that going to cost me a month??

[Monmin @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Kutaragi is the hype king. He throws out wild ideas that just won't come true. He uses the words 'maybe', 'if' alot to get away with wild ass statements.

We should keep track and see how many of these statements are true:

1. PS3 is a super computer.
2. PS3 requires a HDD to be a super computer.
3. PS3 will not come with a HDD.
- note that 2 & 3 already contradict 1.
4. Network drives are clearly the way to go.
5. PS3 can access multi-terrabyte network drive anywhere in the world.
6. 80-120gig hard drives are not big enough.
7. 80-120gig hard drives will be available.
8. HDD will be preinstalled with linux.
9. We 'might' see a new OS.
10. Tiger and Windows can run on PS3 'if' the publishers want them to ;).
11. PS3 can run multiple OS's at the same time.
12. HD video editing on the PS3 will be even more incredible than the linear systems professional TV broadcasters use.
13. Photo retouching software on the PS3 'could' be available.
14. 'if' we had a UI with hand and voice gestures it would be like Minority Report.
15. PS3 will be the fist place we will see Minority Report interfacing spread.
16. PS3's user interface will evolve very fast - faster than XP to Longhorn.
17. PS3 is a completely open system.
18. if PS3 runs linux, developers can do anything with it.
19. Because the graphics has shaders they are also completely open.

[Marco @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Xbox 360 HD is not optional based on press release and this will not for saving games only (I belong in 10% if it's really 10%). I have my HD for music and karaoke etc.

I think Kutaragi will reveal more of his system in the days ahead. Of course, they'll lower it's production cost to match what public perceives as the right/affordable price. Watch out for a final system focusing on games only...Any add-onn featurea will cost extra...Heh heh heh...A total PS3 "entertainment" sytem will cost more in the long run...

[The "That's Hot" Guy @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Have fun with your "Linux" on PS3; it sounds like a really fun game! While you're doing that, we'll all be running OSX on our treble G5 powered XBox 360s.

What? Intel CPUs? Really? Never thought that would happen! Umm, I guess the PS3 guys win this one. Halo 3!

[kingroach @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

#14 goo djob listing the BS's..

[PS3 is a super computer.]

it is not.. upcoming amd/intel dual core processors will surplus both Ps3 and Xbox.. and they dont even call their processor as super coputing processor.

[5. PS3 can access multi-terrabyte network drive anywhere in the world.]

duh.. if you make a networked dive then anything can access it.. even you PDa.. and I dont see i am using it with my 3Mb dsl line.. let alone many peopl edont even have broadband.

[6. 80-120gig hard drives are not big enough.]
atleast give us a 10/20Gb like MS.. its a lame excuse.

[8. HDD will be preinstalled with linux.]

who cares.. we know how much successfull PS2 linux kit was.

[12. HD video editing on the PS3 will be even more incredible than the linear systems professional TV broadcasters use.]

yah right.. tell that to producing people.. they run clustered computer that even requires a separate room..


I hate how obvious BS they make.. and fanboys still dig those.

[Griffon @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I dig the idea of being able to have a couple drives. One running MCE, one with Myth all feeding off of the toaster int eh garage but some how I doubt sonky can see this type of visions though. 1, they like DRM 2, they want to own your content just like MS. So sounds like it will be a broke mess given those to facts. But hey maybe not :)

[havoc and chaos @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Now if you have any argument to this then something is wrong with you. Linux on a ps3, It was hard for me to get linux to work on one of my computers, it;s gonna be great. Xbox fanboys can't argrue with this because people have been modding their xbox to run linux. I guarantee sony will still make their games the number one priority though.

[Monmin @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

[ duh.. if you make a networked dive then anything can access it.. even you PDa.. and I dont see i am using it with my 3Mb dsl line.. let alone many peopl edont even have broadband. ]

Good point! I never thought of that. Why would I want to access a terrabyte hdd over my dsl line? That is not very useful. Obviously having local storage on the LAN is way more useful.

I think I like the 360s model much better though. Just let me connect to my PC. I don't want to buy a network drive. Managing my files will be easier on the computer than on the console anyway.

[dylo2 @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

You people don't understand. PS2 and PS are game-only machines. PS3 is besides a superior gaming machine, an entertainment unit and optionally a computer (with the add-on of HD, OS and keyboard). Sony will keep all 3 consoles in the market to address different types of customers. 3rd world countries and parents with very limited resources will keep PS alive (expect games in the 3-5 dollars range). PS2 will become a more cost/performance effective gaming station. PS3 will offer top gaming performance (at a premium game price) and offer optional grow into the home pc market (e-mail, web browsing, word processing and spreadsheet) at the very least.
I doubt that MS will support Windows for PS3 (but maybe when they multiply $99 by x millions of units they might change their mind).
Perhaps this is the real reason why apple is moving away from the PowerPC architecture: a smart hacker can provide glue code to enable OS X to run on PS3. If you own the license, it is legal as long as you don't run your copy on a different machine at the same time, right? With that, what would you buy: a PS3 + HD (at about $500) or a high-end mac at about 4 times as much (that by the way is lousy to play games).
Apple is doomed if they don't get a partnership with Sony...

[chessman @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I realize most of these claims may not ever actually occur ... but what I got out of it was the following: PS3 will be a gaming machine first. IF you want it to do more than just play games, then you can get the optional HDD (pre-loaded with Linux) and use it as a media center or whatever.

[Eric Pobirs @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

We won't include a hard drive as standard but to compensate we'll give you an OS you can download for free on your PC.

Ken, we want a drive for the utility it offers for games. If you want to do movie or game sales via download, hey great, we'll buy as much drive as we need when the time comes. A fine use for all of those USB ports.

Ken, are third party publishers going to be required to support the optional drive? If not, is there going to be much reason to get it after the debacle of the PS2 HDD Kit? This is an important question. The 20 GB drive bundled with the Xbox 360 may be inadequate over the long haul but it gurantees every single Xbox 360 buyer get universal for some major features, namely effectively unlimited save game space and caching for large games, especially those with high volumes of dynamic data. This is why Morrowind was on the Xbox but had to pass up the much larger PS2 market. Is the next game in the series also going to be console exclusive to the Xbox 360 for lack of another platform where the required feature set is standard?

If Microsoft's proposed applications for the hard drive become popular there will likely be demand for greater capacity but until that time comes there is no point in offering anything more than the least costly solution. Having USB ports and a detachable drive allows for plenty of growth after the machine is sold. By the time greater capcity becomes a requirement in the eyes of most users the cost of offering that drive will have gone down. No point in spending the money prematurely.

Quite a lot can be done in 20 GB on a dedicated console. Vastly more than can be done with 0 GB.

[DarkFader @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I really want to see Sony, Nintendo and Xbox competing in non-game market. Then we can replace all PCs with these systems and sell them for cheap :P On the other hand... that would increase the console price and less reason to hack the hardware.

[Eric Pobirs @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Sony is already selling millions of Windows licenses on their PCs and laptops every year without Microsoft having to support any proprietary equipment. It is the single most profitable part of the computer sale but the money all goes to Microsoft. Why would they bother with the PS3 when they could instead offer that functionality to Xbox 360 owners? As for MacOS X, perhaps Ken hasn't been following the news but Apple has already chosen their next architecture and it ain't Cell.

Sony trotted out this nonsense before. I remember being at the E3 press event where they touted their partnership with AOL with demos of IM clients and Netscapes browsers running on PS2 in their booth. By the following year all of that had disappeared without a trace as the reality sank in that the PS2 wasn't going to replace anyone's PC. Millions of windows licenses running Sony PCs later, they're trying again. I'm inclined to think that anyone wanting to play with Nvidia shaders under OpenGL has long since done under a freely download Linux distribution or on a Mac. As for Cell, IBM is intent on finding more customers for it and will likely make a PCI-E board featuring a Cell and local RAM if they ever get to the point that Sony isn't absorbing all of their output. Considering that Sony had had to declare 1 out of the 8 SPEs redundant due to the severe defect rate, that could be quite a while. But when the time comes most homebrew programmers will probably find it much easier to experiement with a Cell within a PC than using a PS3 when Sony is intent on suppressing unauthorized game publishing.

[Sean @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

The #1 thing I use the xbox HD for is for ripping my own music.

I can't imagine who listens to EA TRAX instead of their own music. My god.. it's like EA trying to stick their dick in your ear.

[Eric Pobirs @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

#21

If you think OS X and major apps can be made to run on the PS3 without a major effort requiring source code access, I've got some public infrastructure I'd like to sell to you.

The PPC core in the Cell is very different from the CPU found in any Mac supporting OS X. Having an ISA in common does not mean software is simply going to run. The value of hacking OS X to run on a PS3 in light of the mammoth effort required would be extremely questionable. And no, the license does not allow it. Apple quite specifically authorizes OS X to run solely on Apple hardware. There have been no legal clone systems since well before OS X launched.

[peter @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I would much rather buy my own harddrive. The PS3 has hardware that will make the price skyrocket, so anything to keep the price low is good with me.

I assume most of you commenters and readers are tech savvy so you'd know where to get a harddrive and for cheap. Getting my own harddrive is the least of my worries.

[F You @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Just STFU and wait.

[Carl @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

HAVNT ANY OF YOU NOTICED? Its not even the standard drive size if I'm correct..?

2.5 is the laptop standard is it not? 3.5 is whats in home pcs... and guess what that means? 2.5 drives are way more expensive than 3.5 drives...
I still prefer sony far better over microsoft for the fact that my 3 ps2s that all were bought near launch have had less cumlative problems than my single xbox... its simply more stable when I'm playing... I dont care what the "experts" say, or for that matter the other gamer... I have had more problems with my xbox that was bought 7 months after release than my 3 ps2s that were bough within 3 months of relase.....Thats not to mention that A. I cant watch a dvd on the thing because I simply refuse to pay for a 30$ remote to add a functionality THAT IS ALREADY THERE, or that it cant read CD-Rs,,, or or or,,, seems like the ONLY way to have a nice, stable, xbox is to mod it and plunk a bigger hd in there because the stock one on mine flipped out and makes the clicking noises symbolising failure to read data... anyway... just seems like microsoft put a bad influence on sony... look! you can rip customers off EVEN MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO!, and microsoft is obviously following that mentality with "rocketgirl" or whatever who will make digital T-shirts with logos on them and sell them on Live... wow.. that sounds GREAT!,,, gah sucks realizing such idiocy on both sides.. seeing as I do love halo... haha

[Eran Hawke @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I remember hearing all this before the launch of the PS2. We were going to download movies, music and games to the optional HD.

The optional HD that launched 4 years after the console itself and had a life span of around 6 months before the new PS2 design rendered it useless.

No thanks Sony. I've had enough of your lies.

[Mike Kozlowski @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

The world is going to be awesome in a year, when PS3s are the primary equipment used for professional television broadcasting, the PhotoShop for PS3 port trounces both Windows and Mac versions in popularity, and NCSA starts working solely with PS3s.

I do wonder why Kutaragi didn't mention the nanotech replicator feature that will, as a little bonus on the side, allow the PS3 to provide you with a free pony.

[Alfred @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

#25 that is the funniest thing I have heard in my life. Quote, "It's like their sticking their dick in your ear". rofl

[jc @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Sony, I want to like you... after all, I still plug in the old PS2 almost daily. Looking back, I may have been better suited by the Xbox if I had waited a year.

I do want a HDD, no matter how small... I want the HDD support from all game makers... not just the socoms. I want game saves without having to play with little flash cards.

Sony, I don't want you telling me that I need this, or should have that... I want a good gaming system, decent graphics and I want it for a decent price.

I will support your "Sony Only" devices like BluRay and whatever... but don't blow smoke up my arse and tell me I love it.

[Matt @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Linux would be interesting. It would be possible to have the video playback capabilities that the xbox 360 would only get from having a media center pc as well. And you could play emulators. PS3 would easily emulate Dreamcast and before. (Although maybe not, since it seems development of chankast has stopped) Apps might not take advantage of the cell though. They�d probably have to be rewritten, and it has been mentioned the extra cores on the PS3 cell might not be good for general computing.

[Azrael @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

dude, this is getting ridiculous. WE ARE BUYING A PC. And its going to be a barebones pc at that! While the $350 "pricetag" of the PS3(estimate) is freaking high enough, next thing you know they will have us buying $100 hard drives, $50 (god I'm hoping no more) OS's and oh yeah, upping the price of games. oooh, the ps3 can run linux. On a processor thats specifically tailored to put out the best graphics, WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK. My PC can run linux if I want linux! If I want a media center, I'll listen to music or watch a movie with my pc! And yet, if I just want to buy this damn thing to play freaking games, I'm still going to have to end up paying far more on just hardware than I should. Stick a 20 gig hard drive in there Sony! I don't care! It will be better than nothing! I'll delete stuff, I swear! Hearing you say that the 160 GB 2.5" hard drives that should be out by then will "not be enough" makes me sick! People are claiming this is going to bring about the end of PC gaming. I say this is the end of console gaming. The days of "buy console, hook up console, buy game, play" are all over.

[Chris @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Uggg lets recap this " its a SUPER COMPUTER ... but lets see its the xbox with the "general" cpu's .... and the cell with the floating point spe's.... ummm wouldnt that make the xbox a better "general" pc... hmmm do you guys really think this phases microsoft lol... i can imagine our old buddy alchin! " HA NO DRIVE... and LINUX on the drive they do sell... WOW im quivering..." they do realize there up against MICROSOFT... Next thing you know "Microsoft Windows XP 360" Theres already what 6 sku's for windows ... they already said USB keyboard and mouses are supported on the xbox360 ... microsoft owns the new xbox and windows ... lets see... whats that an instant 30 million more windows PC's LOL now thats what MS Should do :) I have a profound new respect for microsoft after hearing all the BULL from sony over how the xbox is this and that and the ps3 is so super yet doesnt even have a harddrive... I feel like im watching 2 children argue ... 1 childish screaming about how the others gay and childish while the other one is keeping quite secretly planning to poor exlax in PS3boys coke when not looking ;) I mean alchin has been adult enough to not directly bash the PS3 or sony while this stupid "xbox 1.5" cracks and other unfounded bull that sonys throwing around its pathetic. I just pray MS is gonna throw some SERIOUS cross platform muscle at this entire deal.

[gulfstream @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

great ! the more options we have the more we can do. No one is forced to get the $$$ upgrades. People who want to do this stuff can, and im shure one of them :)

[burch @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

All of you little 360/microsoft fanboys can just shove it. Quit saying that all you want is a gaming machine. Quit saying Sony can't do anything right when it comes to consoles. Quit getting so damn worried. Everyone is just trying to diss the ps3 because they had their little hearts set on the 360 before they knew about the ps3. Now you all are just trying to rationalize. You all know the ps3 is better than 360. How can you falt Sony for wanting to add linux to the PS3. It is just like when all of the Nintendo fanboys dissed sony for adding Music, movies, and photos to the psp. If your going to do something you may as well do it all instead of having little add-ons and hacks that come out every month to enhance the system. You cannot fault Sony for wanting to add variety to the ps3. Instead of having to hack to have linux, why not just have it in the first place. The ps3 will be a great platform for any OS. . . Relatively cheap, accessible, extremely fast. Sony is very smart for trying to do as many things as possible with the ps3.

Those of you who think dual core is faster than cell are misinformed, refuse to see the truth or are simply liars. The cell will be running essentially 7 cores compared to what? Dual Cores? It just doesn't add up. Now, I'm no chip engineer or anything, so lets say im wrong. The cell will still be a lot faster than any other processor in the next console generation.

So, don't rag on the friggin ps3, just because it may be better than lovely microsoft's 360, doesn't mean that you have to hate it. If you hate linux, aren't going to watch hi-def movies, don't want seven controllers, are all about games, don't want a cheap blue-ray drive, need halo, ken katuragi pisses you off, want a 20gb hard drive for game saves with no linux, don't like Sony, Hate KILLZONE, HATE FINAL FANTASY, HATE GTA, Don't like networked drives, eyetoy, or boomerangs, anything else that you happen to hate about sony just don't buy the damn ps3. Get yourself a 360 and be content. But don't freakin hate Sony and the ps3 because it dares to be better than your precious XBOX

[Chris @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Ugg like you said your not a chip designer but for once just shut the hell up if you dont know what your talking about you idiotic ps3 fanboy ... lets see
"do it all instead of having little add-ons and hacks that come out every month to enhance the system"
u mean little addons like actually having a harddrive without having to buy one? And the fact of the drive isnt for saving games its for caching games... and i hate to say it considering DVD is at 12x and is quite fast transfer rates and response time caching only helps it the bluray is a MUCH slower drive in all tests so caching would have tremendously helped it but no now ps3 is gonna be plagued by load times because of ignorance to try to get the box relatively cheap ... relatively? come on the damn things gonna be 350-400$ its already been said with the possibility to be higher.

I dont hate killzone... or atleast i dont hate the killzone MOVIE but i dont like the fact they passed it off as actual gameplay when its not.

Now back to your moron of a comment about the 7 cores... its not 7 cores its 7 spe's and 1 core the spe's are stripped cores that are pretty well only good for floating point calculations and nothing more with reduced pathways and very little more. There gonna be awesome for stuff like AI and graphics but besides that all GENERAL computing has to go to the MAIN CPU on the cell and that is ONE not 7 of them... While the xbox360 has 3 (since when did 3 become dual?) General CPU's tweaked to work with the XNA...

Stop being such an ignorant fool and sucking up with sony and there ps3... considering the contextual facts from tech documents that have been published and lots of online discussions it sgoing to be a pretty close battle but as a GENERAL computer (windows or linux) it will not be a suitable "SUPER COMPUTER" to replace say a regular athlon 64. It just simply doesnt have that TYPE of performance characteristics.

[Vance @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

They'd better put a half of gig of bug-proof flash memory in it at the very least. I can't believe they're thinking of making us dick around with memory cards on a "next gen" system. Get a fucking clue, Sony. My old Zelda carts saved games better than a PS2 does these days.

[Sheex @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Ha you mean the tech documents that were released by microsoft, on a chipset(cell) that isn't even complete, in production or even prototyped?

lol i can understand if they had a cell chip and tested it, but they don't, and they haven't so none of that stuff is factual only hypothesis.

oh and the ps3 will use memory sticks, SD cards for saves, xbox 360 will be using it's own propriety format plus hd's for saves.

the revolution will have a 512 flash drive.... hopefully they'll have the option for a usb hd because well i plan on downloading all 221 nintendo classics to play on my rev, and i hardly doubt 512megs will fit 221games :)

[Kmarvel @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I had great memories of the days of Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, which was great computers that are great games machines. You can connect them to a TV, do productive works, learn programming and plays games that kick anyting that expensive PCs of that day could come out with. A PS3 with Linux installed could bring back those glory days. Also a lot of people buy PC just have access to Internet. Imagine PS3 with Linux and a browser plus access to all those free open source software.

[Kmarvel @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I had great memories of the days of Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, which was great computers that are great games machines. You can connect them to a TV, do productive works, learn programming and plays games that kick anyting that expensive PCs of that day could come out with. A PS3 with Linux installed could bring back those glory days. Also a lot of people buy PC just have access to Internet. Imagine PS3 with Linux and a browser plus access to all those open source software.

[Azrael @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

I would like to point out that the number of floating point operations are one of the most important part of a graphics chipset so having 7 cores (whatever you want to call them! there are 7!) that specialize in floating point operations is NOT A BAD IDEA!! Honestly, I prefer sony's approach to processor design which seems to focus more on graphics/gameplay than all the extra general bullshit, which is why I made that post a while ago bitching about sony feeling the need to add freaking linux? I don't want another desktop. I want a console. I'd rather they focus more on the games/gameplay than all the multimedia crap. ahh damn, now I sound like a Nintendo fanboy.

[PS3 fanboy @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

oh what about the controller that can be used as a virtual boomerang infront of the eyetoy. beat that xbox 360. HA

[svecias @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

for all of you griping over the harddrive.

Think about it at first...

cost? is it really effective? it could be beneficial to ms to include one... but compare the media differences. you have a 4gb dvd compared to a 50gb bluray. the games on the ps3 will be much bigger(space wise) because they have the room. plus I like the idea of the harddrive coming out with a cell linux.

that right there is worth the extra money.

[K-Dog @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Umm "svecias", microsoft uses a 9gb Harddrive, I believe their game discs are dual-layered. Secondly, no linux is not a good enough reason to buy an optional hard-drive, like many of the people b4 this post, linux could easily be ran on the computer you wrote your post with. There's no reason for you to go buy a Ps3 and get shitted into buying an optional hd just to run linux, when you can download linux for free! Additionally, the blu-ray format is dead. Not only has sony recently failed to reach an agreement with toshiba but a company called iomega has produced a dvd that hold 800 gb's and cost the same to manufacture as today's dvd's.....Damn. So if your looking next gen console the choice is obvious, Xbox 360. Better online play through xbox live, more third party support through EA, Square-Enix, Take-Two, etc. And also you will know what your buying. It was only yesterday when I too dreamed about AOL messaging on my Ps2. Unfourtunately, those dreams never synthesized so now I frag/snipe/destroy people in Halo over xbox live. And this november, I invite you to join me. Peace

[Jay @ Dec 19th 2005 1:23AM]

Starting to yawn about the specs and hard drives. My PC has a hard drive, my lap top has a hard drive, my MP3 player has 40gb like I need another hard drive?

Graphics? I watched a driving game movie from IGN for the PS3 and if they are real time then yes they are amazing. BUT
What are you doing different from the driving games on your mega drive? fast , slow, left, right.

The video game needs some inovations...not just better graphics and hard drives.

Also with development costs rising developers can't afford for a game to fail so they rehash their games that sell, not always a bad idea but it becomes a little boring with nothing but first person shooters, or prince of persia 7. There may be hundreds of games out for the ps2 but how many are actually good? Same with the x-box? I dont care who makes a system I was going to buy an x-box but after a weekend with a friends system there was nothing that screamed at me to buy it.
I currently have hooked up a mega drive, Nintendo 64, Gamecube and a PS2.
I bought a PSP. Yes it's amazing but where are the games? I'm on a plane and in airports a lot, I've cleared ridge racer and finished Wipeout pure (almost). Where are the new games?

I'm putting my faith in Nintendo for the next console race, time for a big change. I really hope Revolution lives up to its name or its going to be like putting a Lamborghini badge on a Nissan Micra.