Just thought we'd let the droves of paranoid upgraders know in on a small bit of
good bad news. Yes, Apple did already release a new version of iTunes tonight, 7.4.1, and we tested to see if said update "fixes" the
ringtone-renaming hack (if you really want to call it a hack) that lets users supply their own ringtones sans Apple's $0.99 fee. Breathe not so easy:
it may be legal (probably), but the hack did not continue to work just fine for us. More below.
Update: So yes, our previous ringtones carried over and we were able to add new renamed ringtones to iTunes -- but our readers are right in that 7.4.1 DOES block the renamed ringtone workaround moving forward. Our initial syncs went unblocked, but only until we tried to add new ringtone files. Once you actually attempt to sync new renamed ringtone files, well, then you're in for a heap o' pain (see above).
[Thanks to everyone who sent this in]
posted Sep 7th 2007 11:35PM
I was hoping for this to come out soon. I had this weird installation bug on 7.4 on my Vista system and everytime I would turn on iTunes now, it would tell me the installation was damaged and but it started up just fine. I tried repairing it with the installation file, but that did diddly squat. I hope that's what this fixes.
"...on my Vista system..."
Well that's your problem :)
imacmatt09:
Stop being a Mac fanboy and stop complaining about stuff you haven't even tried. There's nothing wrong with Vista except a few driver incompatibilities.
Anywho, that installation bug is still there. Damn it. 7.3 was fine... WHY APPLE? WHY?!
To tell you the truth I have used it many times. Used it as my main OS for a few months then got tired of the RAM usage (512 MB to boot). XP is better than Vista by far and Mac OS X is better than them both. I have no problem with XP though I think its a pretty good OS but still like OS X better. But I just can't stand vista and its usage of system resources, that user account control thing, incompatibility and other things. XP and OS X = Good, Vista = Bad. Oh yeah linux is good too!
Are you installing the updates from iTunes? Mine errors also in iTunes. Use the Apple Software Update program, it works for me.
Vista sucks, I hate Apple.
Thing is though... XP is awesome compared to OS X and Vista.
waiownsyou
Ok, I'm going to follow the off-topic here, but yes, Vista sucks. I'm a Windows/.NET programmer with a work laptop that runs Vista, a work desktop and home desktop that both run XP, and a Macbook at home (and I use several Windows 2000/2003 servers). I use Vista practically every day, but it feels like it tries to find ways to piss me off.
"Nothing wrong with Vista except a few driver incompatibilities" makes me think that YOU don't use Vista on a regular basis. Or, you're one of the many that Microsoft has brainwashed into thinking that it's ok if the computer gets in your way.
Or, maybe it actually is working great for you. That's the biggest problem with Vista... the experience is SO inconsistent, that it's practically impossible to debug software because you don't know if a problem that never shows up on XP is a real bug in a program, or a quirk of Vista that might not happen on another machine with the same configuration. At least Windows Me was decently consistent with its crashes.
Wow, I hate getting off into a rant, especially an off-topic one... but I'm starting to get tired of people defending that $300 downgrade+WindowBlinds. (And I've actually run the WindowBlinds Aero theme on XP... feels much snappier than Vista and all its flare.)
Umm waiownsyou. I hate to break this to you but there is more then just a few driver issues with Vista. I've been running it since I got my free copy from MS. Its buggy as hell. (Though the last couple reliability updates did cure at least 3 issues I had.) It doesn't work right with half my games even when you enable compatibility mode. I've had serious issues with MS's firewall and several alls most notably SAP and then there is drivers. A fracking joke. There is nothing fanboish about telling the truth. Vista was a paid Beta software. I have no doubt that all these issues will be fixed in time just as Apple 10.0 became monumentally better with 10.1, 10.2, etc. But for now its still buggy. Period.
Maybe Vista is buggy for you all because you're all apparently getting free Vista from somewhere. I had to fork over full price for Vista Ultimate.
And I don't know why you all complain about bugs, I haven't seen any except for annoying driver problems. Beyond that, this computer is smooth as a bird. Thing is, though, you need to have high hardware requirements, which I apparently have (2 GB RAM, dual core, 7900 GT, etc.).
You guys should NOT have 512MB systems and bitch that an operating system that comes out in 2007 is running too slow. It's not slow, you're behind. It's like running Windows 98 on a Win 95 system. It's annoying as hell.
And as a follow-up, I'm running the 64-bit of Vista, so I don't know if that's why I have no problems with this operating system. 32-bit = asking for trouble.
that's great and all waiownsyou , but the point is, in the end, with all your 2gb of ram etc, my clunker spare computer, a p3 1.2ghz running xp, probably loads ms office and firefox faster than your ohh so powerful vista rig. beyond problems, it's just slow, if you're not a power user then I guess it doesn't matter, it'll load your pr0n images just fine, but if you were doing photoshop, maya, or anything professional, you'd notice your system is crap.
as a programmer, I'll tell you, there's no excuse in my book for bad code. you go over old work, find ways to make it smaller/faster/tighter. not the opposite.
as for your comment in re: to the free copies, people got free copies for testing it, they;re the same copy you have, not some other magic one.
To continue the Vista topic, I find all the Vista detractors to be High-larious.
Mostly because this was the exact, and you can quote me on this, the EXACT same spiel we got when XP first came out. XP is worthless. You're paying for nothing but a fancy theme.
Don't get me wrong, I use Vista, and I downgraded back to XP after a bit. It's frustrating yes, but when you compare a 5+ year old OS to a 1+ year OS...gee...lemme guess...the 1 year one has more bugs?
Fact is, on a machine with decent specs, Vista is nicer to use when it's working. Things that aren't working now, won't stay that way. Have patience and don't write something off because it doesn't blow your mind. That's the same as supermodel syndrome as I call it (when all you see is supermodels, you feel like getting yourself anything less is a let down).
Do yourselves a favor, and instead of saying how much Vista sucks, be one of the people letting MS know how to make it better. If Vista gets better...you don't lose...it's better for you.
I don't remember many negative comments about XP when it came out. I think the general consensus with XP was that finally moving away from DOS to an NT-based OS was a significant upgrade to Windows and brought real improvements in both stability and security. I think Windows XP is probably the finest OS Microsoft ever made. Windows 98 was great but still just a glorified DOS shell. And DOS isn't even an MS product!
That from an Apple convert.
bondsbw: Exactly! I was trying Vista Ultimate on my 2GB RAM machine. My main issue with it is not how slow it is - I am sure that will be fixed soon. My main issue is how much it intentionally gets in the way. For every dialog in XP, Vista has two. Things that take 2 steps in XP take 5 in Vista. I dont want an OS that asks me what to do at every corner - I want to never, ever see or hear anything from or about the OS. I want to do my work, undisturbed. Thats where Vista fails.
It's not the same as when XP came out. It's the same as when Windows ME came out. Like ME, Vista is a serious donwgrade from a perfectly OK predecessor.
Oh, stop whining. I've been using Vista since it came out and it's fine. It's not perfect, but neither were XP or OS X when they were new. The only driver trouble I've had on my 3 year-old laptop is that my never-used infra-red port doesn't work.
Having got used to Vista, XP just seems crude by comparison, and OS X's window management just irritates me - there's no proper taskbar, no proper maximise button, documents don't sit "inside" their application like they (logically) do on Windows, and as such everything ends up in a mess requiring a sloppy workaround like exposé. I've never understood the fuss about OS X- it might look pretty, but is functionally crap.
If I am not able to use a song I supposedly "purchased" as a ringtone, do I really own the song or not? What other things can they legally prevent me from doing with music I own? Dancing to it? Perhaps a $1.99 extra if I intend to use the music to dance?
You don't own any songs you purchase, not even on CD. The publisher has to explicitly allow Apple to sell you the song as a ringtone. If the publisher doesn't allow it, Apple cannot let you make a ringtone from it.
you're falling into the trap i hate. if i buy a CD, then i can play the songs on that CD on my iPod or on my home stereo or in my car, etc. this is all legal.
now, you're buying into the notion that suddenly i buy a tune to play on my iPhone as well as all the devices above is fine . . . but making that same tune play when someone calls is no longer the same thing??? why is a ringtone different because of when it plays? if this hack was so easy (merely changing the extension) then it's just the song already on my iPhone that the RIAA to collect for twice. this ringtone business is a joke.
You do not own the song. You purchased a license to the song. That license does not allow using portions of the song as a ringtone. For that, you must purchase another license from the content owner (through apple).
This a very old argument/misunderstanding with media. You don't "own" the content you just paid for, you only own a license to that content.
The root of the problem is... rintones are sounds, and we are being double charged for a sound we already have already paid a license for.
Are you telling me that if I set my alarm clock to play "Woop, there it is!" in the morning... I'm breaking copyright? That's essentially what a ringtone is. A scheduled sound.
Ringtone any song you want, using iTunes 7.4 or higher. Everyone needs to read this and NOT continue using the "renaming" trick or unecessary jailbreaking (if you ONLY want a ringtone).
iPhone Ringtones - What Did iTunes 7.4.1 really do?
http://www.digg.com/apple/iPhone_Ringtones_What_Did_iTunes_7_4_1_really_do
doesn't work for me.
gives me a popup saying the file type is unsupported for the iPhone.
Same here. Oh well, it was fun for a few hours.
Same here. It appears and everything but at syncing time it tells me that it couldn't sync it because this format is unsupported by the iPhone. I tried both renaming an MP3 file (in that case it doesn't even appear in iTunes) and also an AAC file, where it appears but then it says unsupported by the iPhone.
Oh well. I will keep uploading them with iBricker :-)
Yep, you guys are right, it was syncing with a file that was already there -- it wouldn't sync with a new file I added, so this good news just turned bad. Thanks for your help in sorting this out everyone!
I'll never understand how people can be so foolish as to idolize Apple. Their products have been questionable at best, and the prices since their inception have been higher than the market should bear. They design products whose batteries can't be replaced, for example, and lead the rest of the industry in that direction. Now we all suffer. They are petty about what they allow their products to do. They want to gouge their customers and make them pay for everything that is free on the rest of the market. Why are people so dumb loyal? There are products on the market that work as good and many that work better. They seem to want to line their pockets with severe greed while leaving their loyal customers in a money hole. Their designs are limited so as to destroy any competition at your expense. Monopolyism!! The rest of the world says "look at our products and see how we designed them to do what you want. We make them versatile for you our loyal customers." While Apple says "pay me for everything! Nothing is free here. And if it is free now, it won't be in the future." If I were one of their loyal customers, I'd say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!" as I ran at supersonic speed to Apples competitors.
The "hack" works for me, but I'm being told that my version of iTunes is up do date, which contradicts what engadget is telling me D:
If anyone is an Itoner user they got a version 1.0.1 that works fine with the new version of itunes just finished trying it.
Intel Mac
I got the popup, I can provide a screenshot if you want it to confirm the error. So yah, they fixed it.
Any ideas on how to clear out my ringtone list now that they don't work? Deleted the files under user/music/itunes/ringtones but the list still says that they are there?
Tried a restore, didn't work.
Don't know if this is the best or only way to do it. iTunes keeps copies of the library in a folder "Previous iTunes Libraries" in the iTunes folder. I renamed and copied the "iTunes Library" file to that folder and copied the file with a date/time stamp before I changed things to the iTunes folder. Be sure to remove any date/time info from the name. Must be "iTunes Library". Start iTunes and all is well.
Well that worked, but it also killed all my play lists, etc. Any other ideas?
The problem is not the iphone but in iTunes. You will have to delete your 'iTunes Library' data file and .xml file. and rebuilt your index of songs. or Hopefully you have a backup of this file somewhere. This file is your index of your itunes the entire itunes library and that is whats keeping the ghosted ringtone that you cant get rid of.
Any way to modify that file in a pref edditor. I tried using property list editor, but it could not open up the iTunes library file, only the XML file. I am assuming that the ringtone ghosts are stored in the iTunes library file
awesome
No dice - I got an error message after updating to 7.4.1 that my ten new ringtones can't be played back.
Sorry Engadget, your readers just aren't as lucky as you :-|
anyone have a copy of 7.4.0 ? :P
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iTunes7/Win/061-3604.20070905.Cyi94/iTunesSetup.exe
Engadget -
Can you please warn your readers NOT to upgrade to 7.4.1... it certainly breaks adding .m4r files to the library!
Yep, added comments above, figured out why we were getting a false positive! Thanks for your help in sorting this out!
The trick about that is... eventually, Apple can force you to upgrade. I wouldn't be surprised if 7.4.2 (or some other version) isn't required after the next iPhone upgrade.
I've read the "well, just don't upgrade" note before, but eventually, there will be a feature you need, and you will have to say goodbye to your functionality. I remember when you could stream your iTunes music over the internet. I loved it... I could look at my iTunes library over the internet and stream it to my work computer... that got killed. Sure, I held out for a while, but eventually, there was a killer feature or OS upgrade that simply forced an upgrade.
Sounds lke I'm not upgrading to 7.4.1 then.
Awesome, too bad I dont have an iPhone.
It seems that the ringtones I already added are still on my phone, even though it can not sync.
Ipod Touch
So maybe what this means is that the ringtone files have to have a specific bitrate or other specs that Ryan Block just happens to have set.
Perhaps you can post the file specs of your ringtones for others to try out? 7.4.1 also blocks me from syncing them over.
Can someone please tell me how to change the file format from AAC to m4r???!!!
Just rename the AAC file extension from .m4a to .m4r.
Overall steps.
1. Convert mp3 to aac by right clicking in itunes-> convert to aac
2. Right click the newly created aac file ->open in explorer
3. Make a copy
4. Rename it exactly same except the extension of .m4r
5. Double Click file.
6. Ringtone tab should appear under iPhone.
so i just type in say ringtone.m4r when i rename it,or do i actually have to convert something?
It humors me so to see every attempt to 'hack' the iPhone knocked down with the cold, brushed aluminum-alloy fist of Apple as soon as the attempt goes viral.
I haven't seen Apple act this amateurish since Scully was running things.
I find it funny that M$ gets all these monopoly claims when I see this kind of crap from Apple. I run Vista Ultimate 64 bit and rarely have any issues with anything I run on it. Before you all go off on me, I also have a Macbook Pro, which I prefer for most things and I run Ubuntu in VM on the Macbook and dual partition on the Windows machine.
The reason I think this is funny is because my 2.5 year old Windows Mobile 5 phone runs any damn song I want as a ringer. Is it a big brick? yeah. Do I hate it? Most of the time - but randomly enough M$ could care less whether I use my own song as a ringtone. What kind of crap is that anyway?!?! If I buy a song and put that song on my music playing phone, why shouldn't I be able to point the ringer at my song?
The only thing I am worried about is the phone providers. They are forcing phone manufacturers to alter (cripple) their base software so they can sell you more services. This is one of the main reasons Verizon will lose me as a customer. The thing that sucks is you have to pay an arm and a leg to get the phone the manufacturer intended - all features in tact.
It's because Apple can't piss off the record companies. They don't want to lose their support of iTunes.
Yup, it's a problem for a company that has multiple divisions/products. If Apple didn't have the iTunes store, but just made an iPhone, I'd bet that it would play any music file you wanted as a ringtone.
This same concept applies to Sony as well. Sony electronics division used to put out some excellent products, but when Sony created the record/movie side of the company, they started doing all these stupid DRM and other crazy things throughout the company.
can anyone tell me how to creeate ringtones for my iphone on itunes? i downloaded the itunes 7.4.1 but i dont see anything that says cut the songs or convert them at all
You're a smart one, ain't ya?
@Sean
Note the "69" at the end of his username. Looks like you nailed this one haha. (also note it says "banks" which, could be his name actually, last name, but, usually that implies the more underground term for "money")
@dayunbanks69
Did you read the article? The whole point of it is to tell you that you CAN'T.
The official ringtones from Apple iTunes has not been released yet. Check out the web page on Apple's web site. It says "Coming Soon" http://www.apple.com/iphone/ringtones/
Okay so now the question is, how do you get those ringtones out of your library? Deleting the files from the Ringtones directory doesn't do it.
I tried the trick of reimporting the iTunes Library XML file, but that breaks a bunch of things, so I restored my original library. It would be nice if there were a way to edit the binary iTunes Library file.
This debate seems like a non-issue. Look, Apple is out to make $$$ not be your friend. They have licensing deals with providers that despite apple's strong-arm tactics when it comes to iTunes do actually have some say with how their material is used. They build software that does what they want and what they are allowed to do based on their contracts. iTunes is not purported to be 'hacker friendly'.
If you don't like the way they run their business .... take it elsewhere. I understand that there is appeal if you have all apple gear, macbook pro with iPod, maybe an iPhone so why not use iTunes ... look, just do a cost benefit ratio analysis. If iTunes isn't giving you what you want ... find something that does.
Oh, and I'm running a moto rokr e6, I'm giving you one guess as to how many times I run into built in restrictions (besides one small one with recording calls and an annoying beep, it's required by law). And no, no prize for the winner. :P
Don't preach to me. The way I see it, greed is alive and well. Both greedy-consumers that feel they deserve free ringtones, and greedy corporations milking the exploited musicians and artists.
Personally, a company that has a phone service can take the cake away by making ringtones free, and allowing you to download themes free, and store music free (still need to buy the songs, but once only...).
We need more competition. Ha, you lose $200 but we give you $100 credit...suckers.
I dunno if it's a 'lose 200$' situation. I mean, there is a premium on buying tech early. I mean, I paid looooots purchasing one of the first dvd recorders for PC. It was scsi at the time too, so new scsi card, and burner. I can't remember how much it cost at the time but looking at newegg now I didn't buy it for 35$. :)
I don't wanna preach FOSS solutions but there are a lot of good phones out there that bypass a lot of the crap providers like ATT, cingular, verizon et al try to pull. My E690 takes any mp3/mid and I think aac file for ringtones and I can make themes (if I had the itch) as well. No lockdowns on installing java and even native apps are coming slowly but surely. Competition is here. :)
i have the most up to date itunes and i just did the "hack" and it worked... so i dont know what u guys are doing wrong... in osx and you have to "get info" for each ringtone and change it to m4r... if you simply rename it in finder, it wont work... then import it into itunes nad it works... at least for me it does...
I don't know if you saw this, but apparently this works. I haven't tried it yet. Just passing on some info I saw elsewhere...
http://joemaller.com/2007/09/08/make-custom-iphone-ringtones-work-with-itunes-741/
I just tried it, Danny. It works!
(Now, if only I could delete the old file associations!)
Yep! It works! And I agree, those old file associations need to go...
Hold the phone....
Does this fix the m4r ringtones?:
http://joemaller.com/2007/09/08/make-custom-iphone-ringtones-work-with-itunes-741/
yep that works just go the ringtones folder and change it back to m4a and boom syncs....
now you have to .m4r it to get it in and then .m4a it to sync, another step apple come on it was soooooo easy
yep that works just go the ringtones folder and change it back to m4a and boom syncs....
now you have to .m4r it to get it in and then .m4a it to sync, another step apple come on it was soooooo easy
The renaming back to to .m4a under 7.4.0 would not change anything; once accepted as ringtones, they would continue to sync. In 7.4.1, though, if you've done that, no amount of renaming back and forth will get them to sync. Just trying to isolate the criteria being used here. Am currently looking at creator codes.
hahaha...apparently people at apple Inc.. read engadget!!!....
To Add a new ringtone just simply do as it had been told since morning, one more step to add on is change .m4r back to .m4a .... it works ... at least for me
All the ringtones i installed using installer.app are still fine and working... nice try apple.
What's the best P2P solution for pirating ringtones?
(i wouldn't use it, but there should be one to countermand this madness)
"Vista sucks, I hate Apple.
Thing is though... XP is awesome compared to OS X and Vista."
XP is System 8.6, OS X is XP, Vista is OS X, and Leopard is new until Microsoft copies it.
I develop on windows grudgingly, and then go home and surf for porn happily on my mac.
Apple owns you!
What's wrong with you people! Astrobase GO!!
Go team Venture!!!
EXACTLY GO TEAM VENTURE! There needs to be an update to tell us exactly what the ringtone was! Is it the Venture Brothers Opener? Or some witty dialogue?
I'm still amazed that something that should be "legal" is still getting stomped on by Apple.
So, you feel that making a ringtone from a tune you've bought should be legal. It's not. I think bread and milk should be free, guess what happens when I try to walk out of my local safeway?
To those saying Apple is "dumb" for making this so easy don't get the point: until you ask to have the license terms changed you are still stealing -- no matter how easy it is.
According to my understanding (And Engadget's "legal correspondent") it IS legal to make a ringtone from a tune you already own. As a continuation of your "bread and milk" analogy, sure, it's illegal to walk out the door with them. It's not illegal to go home, and cook a completely different meal with them. Or to take the milk and make cheese from it.
The music is purchased. Until a few years ago, there was never any question about the legality of this. Sure, the proliferation of computers and the ease of transmission has made it possible for illegal transmission of data to have a significant effect on the industry. However, I'm tired of being a legitimate user of music, code, or whatever, and being assumed to be guilty.
I'd be much more likely to actively support piracy control and efforts by the MPAA and RIAA if they really focused on "Fair Use" instead of the current tactics.
It's gotten asinine.
Good by Apple to block this.
I really wonder how much of all this ringtone nastiness is Apple's doing, and how much is having to appease AT&T.
If a person buys a CD then it is clearly a case of acceptable fair use to play those songs on whatever device they own. I.e. You can copy it to your iPod and play it, why is any different if it is a ringtone?
My gut feel is that part of the concessions that Apple had to make to get the deal they wanted with AT&T is that they had to make the phone only play purchased ringtones. If they are doing it just for the money then shame on Apple!
So who downloaded the iTunes 7.4 installer... I can just load it on my "other" computer and enjoy free ringtone freedom.
SO. Where can we download the latest version that allows for this workaround ?
I'm going to guess that this would be iTunes Version 7.41 (MINUS THE 0.1)
Then i see something that says "Build 2" grr kinda confusing.
Regards,
~X
I just ash into the phone and upload my mp3 ringtomes
The "hack DOES WORK with the latest version of iTunes (7.4.1 or whatever they came up with today...). Simply follow these steps:
1. Confirm iTunes is set to import to AAC 128
2. If the “to-be” rington is not currently AAC, convert it by right clicking
3. Delete the new aac file from the library ONLY
4. Locate the file and Move it to your desktop
5. Rename the file from xxxx.m4a to xxxx.m4r
6. Double Click on the file
7. Return to iTunes and confirm it is now in the iPhone ringtones tab, but no not Sync
8. Locate the file in your iTunes Music/Ringtones Directory
9. Rename file from xxxx.m4r to xxxx.m4a
10. Sync!!! All should be well.
One specific confirmation request for the community. Pleae confirm that there is NO NEED to double click on the newly renamed M4a file located in the Ringtone directory. It seems this messes things up, but I’ve seen it listed several times before.
Well, I could never get the free ringtones thing to work so guess it's more money to Apple. At least it's not MSFT.
Stop!!! Don't tell anybody or Apple will breal it again!!
I'll never understand how people can be so foolish as to idolize Apple. Their products have been questionable at best, and the prices since their inception have been higher than the market should bear. They design products whose batteries can't be replaced, for example, and lead the rest of the industry in that direction. Now we all suffer. They are petty about what they allow their products to do. They want to gouge their customers and make them pay for everything that is free on the rest of the market. Why are people so dumb loyal? There are products on the market that work as good and many that work better. They seem to want to line their pockets with severe greed while leaving their loyal customers in a money hole. Their designs are limited so as to destroy any competition at your expense. Monopolyism!! The rest of the world says "look at our products and see how we designed them to do what you want. We make them versatile for you our loyal customers." While Apple says "pay me for everything! Nothing is free here. And if it is free now, it won't be in the future." If I were one of their loyal customers, I'd say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!" as I ran at supersonic speed to Apples competitors.
What has history (Apples) taught us? Yes! Apple is and always has been greedy! Just look at the Ipods. They make them so that you have to either throw them away or send them back to Apple, at an exorbitant expense, just to replace a battery. They come out with a phone (Iphone) that is exorbitantly over priced to get the most they can out of their most loyal customers and then drop the price by $200.00 to get to the less loyal fans. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist do you? And no I don’t want something for free. You already pay an extreme price, so why should you have to pay more for features that are free in the rest of the world’s products at a lower price even. (And no I’m not a Windows/Gates fan either!)
You really need to back this up with hard facts than random thoughts. You might as well make vague claims that the world sucks too and Microsft is somehow the reason. Back it up. I'm tired of all of this claimless bashing on either. Just because you don't like the way they make a product doesn't mean they are greedy. Here is a fact: Apple is giving $100 dollars back to iphone buyers. That is a fact. When is the last time you hear of a cell company/developer - Microsoft, Motorola, Samsung etc - giving that much cash back to first time buyers? I don't recall Motorola giving Razr cutomers who spent $400 originally, money back because they go for free now. It's a cell phone for crying out loud, the price fluctuates weekly. (BTW - PC & Mac owner)
The phrase "defective by design" comes to mind.
I got the ringtones I wanted to sync, but now I cannot find where they are on my phone. It is not listed in the sounds settings menu. Any help please.
God, I've never seen so many whiny bitches in my life. First, everyone was complaining about no ringtones for the iPhone, now they complain about the price (which is fair lower than ringtone prices on other phones)! Jesus, forget the multitouch, forget the Video iPOD, full internet, Google Maps, Widgets. No, the real reason I bought the iPhone, was so I could have free RINGTONES! Boo Hooo!
It never ends. Before Sept 5, every Apple hater was complaining because the iPhone was so expensive, now that they've lowered the price, those same haters are saying LOOK, Apple gouged you on the phone and all the Apple faithful agree with them! Nothing is ever good enough for you people. I hope Steve Jobs never makes another revolutionary product, just to spite you idiots. He taps water from a rock and everyone wants wine!
YAY! another post about about apple that somehow boils down to Mac vs. PC argument!
The record companies aren't the ones trying to stop us from using their songs as ringtones. It's the service providers.
Service prociders like to cripple the phones they subsize to disallow the transfer of mp3 files because that forces you to get ringtones through their own paid service. That extra fee you have to pay Apple to make a ringtone goes to AT&T, not some RIAA company.
ok erm.. completly off topic...well not off comments but.... it went frm vista sux to mac sux bac 2 convertin and ten apple sux and thn winey loosers.... LOL i love this site... hehe
neho i was wonderin if u guyz could reccomend sum online stores tat i can buy the apple iphone out of... dont care if its unlocked or not.. i can do it hehe... hopefulli... i want it preffered frm an apple store in ta us but i need in the auztralia... wanna gift it 2 my dad... and on ebay its just plain stupid cuz a 8gb one is lk 1 gran and higer unlocked... and abt 750 to 900 for locked... and its ta same phone as the bloody store is selling... so yea... which i can get for a cool 470 auz... so yea... hopefulli u can help uz out... i kno fatherz day has passes but i think my dad deservez it... cuz i jus got enuf.... 2 spnd
someone might have said this already...
if when you renamed a ringtone it ceased to load... what if you changed a new ringtone to the name of one it allows?
all this free time invested by "independant technology enthusiasts" into making "our" toys better gets shot down by apple and switched with a price tag. is the charge to pay for actually blocking someone better at creating software from creating it only to replace it with fee ridden ball and chained software? if thats the sucky goal then i think your good ap-pizzle.